The BEST Gacha Gaming Community?

Summary

El guion habla sobre las comunidades de juegos gacha y cómo la integración de dinero real en sus mecánicas a menudo conlleva a que los jugadores se fije obsesivamente en números como los ingresos y el recuento de jugadores. Sin embargo, el enfoque cambia con el lanzamiento de 'Weathering Waves', desarrollado por Kuro, que abraza la crítica y toma medidas para mejorar el juego, lo que fomenta una comunidad más abierta a las mejoras y menos tóxica. El video destaca cómo la actitud constructiva de Kuro ha influido positivamente en la dinámica de la comunidad y ha establecido un nuevo estándar para la interacción entre desarrolladores y jugadores en el género de los juegos gacha.

Takeaways

• 😀 Las comunidades de juegos a menudo son una mezcla de historias positivas y negativas, con creaciones de fans impresionantes y también con comportamientos tóxicos por parte de algunos jugadores.
• 🎨 Los fans de juegos como Genshin Impact han creado contenido de alta calidad, como videos musicales y tráilers que a veces superan los oficiales.
• 💸 Los juegos de gacha con una integración fuerte del dinero real a menudo generan comunidades muy enfocada en números como los ingresos y el conteo de jugadores.
• 🤔 Se cuestiona la noción de que un juego es mejor solo porque tiene más ingresos o más jugadores, y se argumenta que la calidad y el disfrute del juego son más importantes.
• 🔍 Se destaca la importancia de la retroalimentación honesta y cómo, cuando se actúa en consecuencia, los juegos mejoran y se fomenta una comunidad más abierta a las mejoras.
• 🌊 Se discute cómo los juegos de gacha han cambiado en términos de la actitud de las comunidades y cómo los desarrolladores pueden fomentar una mejor experiencia de juego al escuchar y actuar sobre la retroalimentación de los jugadores.
• 👍 Se menciona a Kuro Games como un ejemplo de desarrollador que ha demostrado escuchar y mejorar su juego, Weathering Waves, en respuesta a la retroalimentación de la comunidad.
• 🚀 Se destaca cómo la actitud de los desarrolladores hacia la retroalimentación y las críticas puede establecer el tono para la comunidad del juego, y cómo esto ha cambiado en juegos recientes.
• 💬 Se aborda la idea de que los desarrolladores que no escuchan a sus jugadores pueden generar una dinámica tóxica en la comunidad, mientras que aquellos que sí lo hacen pueden fomentar una mejora constante del juego.
• 🌟 Se concluye que los juegos de gacha en general están mejorando en términos de experiencia para los jugadores, gracias a la disposición de algunos desarrolladores para escuchar y mejorar en función de la retroalimentación.

Q & A

¿Qué tipo de historias positivas se mencionan en las comunidades de juegos?

Se mencionan historias positivas como las increíbles creaciones de fans, arte y contenido que generan estas comunidades, incluyendo videos musicales y tráilers de juegos que a veces son mejores que los oficiales.

¿Cuál es la preocupación principal sobre las comunidades de juegos de gacha?

La integración pesada del dinero real en muchos de sus mecanismos a menudo genera comunidades hiper centradas en números como los ingresos y el recuento de jugadores.

¿Qué ejemplo se da sobre la importancia de la recepción de una actualización de juego?

Se menciona el lanzamiento de la versión 5.0 de Gen CH imp, que apenas aumentó su ingreso total en 1 millón, lo que sugiere que lo que hicieron no fue suficiente.

¿Qué efecto tiene la falta de gasto de los jugadores en los juegos de gacha?

Cuando los jugadores dejan de gastar, esos juegos terminan su servicio, ya que nadie quiere ver desaparecer algo en lo que han invertido su tiempo, dinero o dedicación.

¿Cómo describe el guion la actitud de los desarrolladores de juegos que aceptan críticas y mejoras?

Se describe como una actitud saludable y constructiva, donde los desarrolladores que aceptan críticas y actúan en consecuencia fomentan comunidades más abiertas a las mejoras.

¿Qué ejemplo se da sobre un desarrollador que no asumió la responsabilidad por un error en un juego?

Se menciona un incidente donde un desarrollador no asumió la responsabilidad por un torneo arruinado y en cambio hizo un video de 40 minutos justificando sus acciones en lugar de admitir su error.

¿Cómo responde el CEO de C Games a las críticas y qué principios menciona?

El CEO de C Games responde con palabras de amor hacia el juego y el equipo, y menciona tres principios: sobrevivir, amar el juego y amar al equipo, como la base para llevar un negocio de juegos a largo plazo.

¿Qué cambios significativos realizó C Games en respuesta a las críticas y qué impacto tuvo en la comunidad?

C Games implementó cambios como un sistema de recarga de AA, personajes jugables en el mundo abierto y mejoras en el reino elusivo, lo que llevó a una dinámica comunitaria más saludable y abierta a la crítica constructiva.

¿Cómo se describe el cambio en la actitud de la comunidad de Weing Waves después de las actualizaciones y mejoras realizadas por C Games?

La comunidad de Weing Waves se describe como fuerte y saludable, con menos personas que critican negativamente y más entendimiento de las decisiones del desarrollador.

¿Qué mensaje se transmite a los desarrolladores de juegos de gacha a través de las acciones de C Games?

Se transmite que los desarrolladores que interactúan constructivamente con su comunidad y actúan en base a la retroalimentación recibida pueden establecer un estándar para mejorar la experiencia de los juegos de gacha en general.

Outlines

00:00

😀 Comunidades de juegos y su impacto en la experiencia del jugador

Este párrafo explora la dualidad de las comunidades de juegos, destacando tanto las creaciones impresionantes de los fans como los problemas que surgen cuando la integración de dinero real en los juegos lleva a una obsesión por números como los ingresos y el número de jugadores. Se critica la actitud de algunos jugadores que defienden cada decisión de los desarrolladores sin cuestionar, y se presenta a C Games como un ejemplo de una empresa que recibe críticas constructivas y mejora el juego en consecuencia.

05:01

😌 La filosofía de C Games y su enfoque en el bienestar del jugador

El párrafo se centra en las declaraciones del CEO de C Games, quien enfatiza el amor por uno mismo, el juego y el equipo como pilares fundamentales para un negocio de juegos a largo plazo. Se describen las actualizaciones de calidad de vida que el juego implementó en respuesta a las críticas, lo que llevó a una mejora significativa en la experiencia del jugador y a una comunidad más abierta a recibir críticas y sugerencias de mejora.

10:01

😡 La resistencia a la crítica y la evolución de la dinámica comunitaria

Este párrafo critica la actitud de 'positividad tóxica' que ha dominado en las comunidades de juegos, donde cualquier crítica hacia el juego es vista con recelo. Se discute cómo los desarrolladores establecen el tono para la comunidad y cómo la implementación de cambios en respuesta a la retroalimentación ha transformado la dinámica de la comunidad de 'Weathering Waves', permitiendo una interacción más saludable entre jugadores y creadores de contenido.

Keywords

💡Gacha games

Los juegos gacha son un tipo de videojuego donde los jugadores adquieren nuevos personajes o objetos a través de un sistema de sorteo, que a menudo requiere la inversión de dinero real. En el guion, se menciona cómo la naturaleza de estos juegos con la integración de dinero real en sus mecánicas a menudo crea comunidades altamente enfocada en números como los ingresos y el recuento de jugadores.

💡Toxic positivity

La 'toxic positivity' se refiere a una actitud que promueve una visión positiva irrealista y rechaza la crítica o la negatividad en cualquier forma. En el guion, se critica esta mentalidad en comunidades de juegos, donde se espera que los jugadores defiendan cada decisión de los desarrolladores sin cuestionar, lo que puede llevar a una falta de mejoras y crítica constructiva.

💡Sunk costs

Los 'sunk costs' son los costos o inversiones previas que ya se han realizado y que no se pueden recuperar. En el contexto del guion, se discute cómo los jugadores de juegos gacha a menudo se sienten obligados a defender sus juegos y desarrolladores debido a los costos ya invertidos en términos de tiempo, dinero o dedicación.

💡Critique and improvement

La crítica y la mejora son conceptos clave en el guion, donde se argumenta que el verdadero éxito de un juego se mide por su capacidad para recibir retroalimentación honesta y actuar en consecuencia. Se menciona que los desarrolladores que abordan la crítica de manera constructiva pueden fomentar comunidades más saludables y juegos mejorados, como se ve en el caso de 'Weathering Waves'.

💡Community dynamics

La 'dinámica comunitaria' hace referencia a la forma en que las interacciones y relaciones dentro de una comunidad influyen en su desarrollo y actitudes. En el guion, se discute cómo las decisiones de los desarrolladores y la actitud hacia la crítica pueden afectar positivamente o negativamente la dinámica de la comunidad de un juego.

💡Monetization strategies

Las 'estrategias de monetización' son métodos utilizados por los desarrolladores para generar ingresos a través de su juego. En el guion, se discute críticamente cómo algunas estrategias de monetización pueden fomentar una cultura tóxica y una enfoque excesivo en los números de ingresos y jugadores en lugar de la calidad del juego.

💡Quality of life updates

Las 'actualizaciones de calidad de vida' son mejoras en un juego que mejoran la experiencia del jugador sin necesariamente agregar contenido nuevo. En el guion, se menciona que 'Weathering Waves' implementó estas actualizaciones en respuesta a la retroalimentación de la comunidad, lo que mejoró significativamente la experiencia del juego.

💡Constructive feedback

El 'retroalimentación constructiva' es una crítica o comentario que ayuda a mejorar algo, en este caso, un juego. El guion destaca la importancia de la retroalimentación constructiva y cómo, cuando los desarrolladores la toman en cuenta, puede llevar a mejoras significativas en el juego.

💡Pity system

El 'sistema de piedad' es un mecanismo en juegos gacha que garantiza un premio de alta calidad después de un número fijo de intentos fallidos. En el guion, se menciona cómo 'Weathering Waves' tiene un sistema de piedad más generoso que otros juegos, lo que se considera un valor adicional para los jugadores.

💡Content creators

Los 'creadores de contenido' son personas que generan material relacionado con juegos, como guías, análisis o críticas. El guion discute cómo la actitud de las comunidades y los desarrolladores hacia la crítica puede influir en la forma en que estos creadores de contenido abordan sus juegos y cómo 'Weathering Waves' fomenta una atmósfera más abierta a la crítica y la mejora.

Highlights

Communities often produce impressive fan creations, including art and content that can surpass official releases.

Gacha games' integration of real-world money can lead to communities fixated on revenue and player count.

Some players find it cringe-worthy to judge a game's success solely on its financial earnings and player base.

Developers that release content players don't care about can be seen as out of touch with their audience.

When players stop spending, gacha games may end their service, highlighting the importance of community investment.

Communities that defend every decision made by developers can hinder necessary improvements.

Developers that welcome critique and act on it can foster communities more open to improvements.

Weing Waves' developer, Kuro, is praised for embodying a mentality of openness to critique and improvement.

Admitting mistakes and promising improvement can set a positive tone for a game's community.

Weing Waves has fostered a community open to critiques and improvements, setting a new standard in the industry.

The CEO of C Games emphasizes the importance of loving the game, the team, and the players for long-term success.

Weing Waves' updates and quality of life improvements have been well-received by the community.

The game's approach to monetization and value for money has been noted as superior compared to its peers.

The community's constructive mindset has been reinforced by the game's industry-leading updates.

Content creators who pandered to toxic positivity are now facing backlash for their inauthenticity.

Early critiques of Weing Waves faced backlash, but the developers' response has since changed the community's dynamic.

Implementing changes based on feedback has opened the door to a healthier community dynamic in Weing Waves.

Kuro Games is setting a benchmark for developer-community interaction, influencing other games in the genre.

The Weing Waves community is now stronger and more accepting of constructive feedback.

The developer's love for their players is evident in their responsiveness and game improvements.

Transcripts

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but there are also many horror stories

especially when it comes to the most

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isn't in this video communities the

nature of gacha games with the heavy

integration of realworld money in many

of their mechanics often times breeds

communities that are hyper fixated on

numbers like revenue and player count uh

yeah I mean I will admit I do think it's

a little bit cringe say oh this game

earned this much money this month and it

has this many players so it's better

meanwhile I'm like still over here

playing Monster Hunter world when

there's like seven active players online

because I just don't give a [ __ ] you

know I'm like booting up banjo kazui the

only player on earth I mean I agree

listen I agree I think when people say

that this game is better because it's

making more money and more people are

playing it is [ __ ] stupid however I

do think it's a good indicator of a

success of a game when they're

attempting to put out [ __ ] they think

players care about when they actually

don't like I think when Gen CH imp back

released natland and they barely raised

their overall Revenue by 1 million with

the release of a 5.0 patch like I think

that is saying that what they did was

not enough and that's coming from the

guy who still hasn't played the damn

[ __ ] and maybe I should maybe it's

amazing but uh yeah I don't think it hit

the way they wanted it to hit after all

when players stop spending that's when

these games end their service and with

how sunk costs work nobody wants to see

anything that they've invested their

time money or dedication into disappear

what this means is that many of these

communities view the gacha games they

play and their developers as something

that needs defending if the community

doesn't justify every single decision a

Dev makes that would be bad but what if

there was a Dev that did the opposite a

Dev that openly welcomed critique of the

game and immediately took action to make

it better would that Foster a community

that's far more accepting of

improvements instead of many existing

ones that believe that their developers

can never do wrong true honest feedback

that's acted upon is how games get

better and weing waves with Kuro as its

developer is a company that embodies

that mentality today we'll be breaking

down why this is the case diving into

how C it really is a double Ed sword I

don't want to bring up this guy's name

again for the same issue because it's

kind of just beaten a dead horse at this

point last time I'll bring this up

hopefully it's kind of like the whole

thing with eio where he like threw the

tournament for Mr Pokey and then made

like a 40-minute response video of him

being like guys it wasn't my fault and

it doesn't matter right if I just said

ah [ __ ] my bad I [ __ ] up guys should

have maxed my traces everybody would

have just dropped it right but instead

now that he just tripled down now it's

like oh man IO has no accountability

[ __ ] this guy it's like legit sometimes

it's okay just admit your fault right

just admit that you know you [ __ ] up

and then you know say hey guys don't

worry next time I'll Max my traces L

everybody's happy you know what I'm

saying everybody's happy is setting the

tone for weing waves and its Community

from the top down how weaing waves has

fostered a community that's far more

open to critiques and improvements and

how this mindset has already improved

the game significantly as always if

you're enjoying this content please hit

that like And subscribe button several

months after the launch of weathering

waves ripe with its highly publicized

issues he didn't throw on purpose sure

but I think when someone makes such a

careless mistake that could have been

easily circumvented I think you can

understand a players frustrations I want

to give you an example okay if you're

going into Lane in bot Lane in League of

Legends and your ad carry forgot to buy

their Doran blade and their health pot I

think you have the right to [ __ ] on them

don't you think let's say you play World

of Warcraft and your he or your main DPS

walked in with the wrong items and set

on and the wrong talents and they didn't

have food buff you have the right to

[ __ ] on them okay if one of your

athletes for a

triathlon shows up and they haven't

slept in three days I think you have a

right to [ __ ] on them right so you have

to understand when you make just

careless mistakes you can't just double

down just say you're right I [ __ ] up

and move on because otherwise you're

going to look like a [ __ ] clown the

CEO of C games so had some Choice words

for the player base I think as long as

you can survive that's enough right

besides that love yourself alongside the

players love the game and love your team

with these three principles you'll be

able to run a long-term gaming business

these heartfelt words were coupled with

some of the best quality of life updates

the game had seen thus far like rather

than Community getting Furious each time

someone says well you know I think we

could use an A A recharge system you're

being greedy oh my God you're being

greedy they've already given us so much

just say oh yeah you know what you're

right that would be kind of nice can we

get that that'd be pretty cool C goes oh

okay you want that sure here you go like

holy [ __ ] with these words and actions

Solen confirmed a few things first was

yeah you know like okay so I'm me give

you an example rather than all criticism

being met with this could be met with

this right and then bom bing bada boom

you're good to go that weaing waves

wasn't a game trying to make the most

money possible through their

monetization strategies that's evident

Enough by the fact you're able to

purchase dupes of limited five-star

characters in the store the fact that

the weapon Banner is completely

guaranteed and the fact that the overall

five-star rates are higher than their

comp itors while having a significantly

lower pity any person who's spent in

weing ways in comparison to some of the

top games in the market understands that

they're getting far more value relative

to those peers true second was that

weing wayes players knew that c

acknowledged and would actually listen

to their complaints incredible acts of

compensation like the massive number of

polls and free standard characters for

the launch troubles had players feeling

like their complaints were being hurt

and what that meant was that these

complaints were actually worth making

and weren't being sent into a black hole

much like those made in other games I

agree uh having a a good content was

great you can't just double

down yeah it's a great point it's not

what he said but it's why he said it

when kurl led the industry with these

sweeping updates to improve the overall

experience for players and actual

industry leaders had to follow in their

footsteps this only further reinforced a

constructive mindset across the

community when it came to their

suggestions to improve the game other

communities were seeing how Kuro raised

the bar and were demanding the same for

their games all of that toxic positivity

bred through years of hoyo verse games

leading the market is slowly

disappearing and the end result is that

gacha games as a whole are becoming a

much better experience for the worst

thing is is you have these limp dick

Pencil Neck door content creators who

fed in to the toxic positivity mentality

uh and just pandering to Twitter on

every single video on every single sham

and now all of their careers are [ __ ]

obliterated because they know the

[ __ ] games suck and now whenever they

talk positively about them people like

bro are you [ __ ] stupid because it

just doesn't work anymore right doesn't

work anymore man because it's they're

full of [ __ ] all players however this

wasn't the case very early on in

weathering waves's release gotcha

tribalism and that very same sense of

toxic positivity was very strong back in

those days and what this meant was that

a huge number of content creators and

players who had critiques for weaing

waves were facing the same kind of

backlash that we had seen in Prior gacha

titles don't believe me let's take a

look at one of my older videos how to

make weing waves better in this video I

highlighted several gameplay features

within zenis Zone zero that I thought

would be great addition to weing waves

things like an expedited daily system

that would give a greater reward for

spending wave plates things like more

interactivity with playable characters

in the Overworld things like adding more

replayability to The elusive realm these

were suggestions that on paper weren't

too unreasonable and would without a

doubt improve the game for many players

100% but how dare I say that c did

something wrong this video got

completely o oated it's not too bad one

of the wor however it's still a lot of

dislikes for sure dislike I wouldn't

give a [ __ ] about this I only give a

[ __ ] if the dislikes get over halfway of

the video and even still I'm

like who cares ratios I'd ever seen

people had some very I never put out

content with the idea that everybody has

to agree with it very familiar response

now but for real like I as a content

creator I never put out these videos and

I never go on stream and think how do I

appeal to the largest demographic

possible every single time I say a sence

I don't care I just let [ __ ] rip and I

just either try to piss people off for

fun or just say how it is I just have no

interest in doing that okay and once

again i' I've gone over this many times

right I understand that every single

time you make an opinion you alienate

your audience you do you absolutely do

but like the thing is I

I I I don't want to live in a world

where like I have this mask on for who I

am and the moment it drops I lose my

entire audience no my chat already knows

that I'm a piece of [ __ ] who cares aners

to these suggestions things like wooa is

an open world daily should take more

time you're just asking to play the game

less The elusive realm is perfect as it

is these were the same exact I can tell

you the elusive realm isn't perfect the

way it was cuz I still haven't even

[ __ ] done it type of replies we I

have no interest in endgame gotcha

content right now man I really don't I

just like playing the game doing the

Casual [ __ ] and doing the story and then

just having fun I I know maybe I should

get back into it who knows see to any

suggested Improvement to games like gen

and impact should Boyse the developers

what about Moc I will say I do really

like mooc and HSR is really fun go ahead

and ignore all of these suggestions to

improve their game this only further

reinforced the mindset that the

developers knew best and never had to

listen to their players and what did

curo do instead they went ahead and

implemented all of these changes that I

had previously gotten raked over the ks

for they increased the way play daily

from 20 points to 60 they added into

playable characters in the Overworld and

they added more rewards and a refresh to

The elusive realm the developers are the

people that set the tone for their games

Community if a developer refuses to act

on feedback that sends a strong message

to the the way crying because people

were shitalking his game was one of the

most pathetic things I've ever seen in

gaming and this guy should have been

ridiculed way more for what he did this

[ __ ] was pathetic Community anybody

here's an idea instead of crying about

people saying your game isn't good how

about you [ __ ] fix it thinking our

game is wrong and that drives the

mindset across its players that there is

something wrong with people who don't

like everything about the game and

that's toxic positivity by implementing

so many changes in Updates this early on

in the game's life cycle Kuro has

effectively opened the door to a far

healthier Community Dynamic where

players and content creators aren't

afraid to point out when something is

bad or needs Improvement when content

creators were running the risk of losing

their communities or viewership for

having any negative opinion about the

game that heavily influences the content

that they create as well in weing waves

that fear has been quelled and it

couldn't have happened without the

actions of the developers and now this

one developer Kuro games they're

bringing this mindset of constructive

feedback over to games that have had

Millions if not billions more in budget

a much larger player base and far more

years of developer experience yeah I

think weaing waves is the best thing to

ever happen to HSE Coro games has set

the Benchmark when it comes to a

developer interacting with their

community and now the weaing waves

Community is easily the strongest it's

ever been there simply aren't as many

people Doom posting the August Revenue

numbers know that it's a filler patch

with slightly less desirable characters

and people understand what C is doing

you can say a lot of things about C

games but one thing for certain is that

they truly do love their players as

always if you enjoyed this content yeah

great [ __ ] video I mean I'm excited

for uh weaing waves 2.0 which is

apparently coming out a lot sooner than

a lot of people might think uh and I

think that [ __ ] is going to be good as

[ __ ] but yeah I mean weather waves is

[ __ ] awesome I I will always go back

every single patch they have

yeah it's good as [ __ ] I still need to

check out um robot arm guy but we'll say

but yeah great [ __ ] video man