How Elon Musk's Neuralink Brain Chip Will Change Humanity | Phillip Shoemaker
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the implications of Neuralink's human trials and the potential integration of AI with brain-computer interfaces. It explores the ethical concerns, societal divides, and security risks associated with advanced AI and deep fakes. Philip Shoemaker, CEO of identity.com, shares insights on decentralized digital identities and the importance of cryptographic signatures to ensure trust in digital content, highlighting the need for a verifiable system to protect against AI-generated fraud.
Takeaways
- 🧠 Neuralink, Elon Musk's brain-computer interface, is making progress with human trials, allowing a participant to control a computer mouse with their brain.
- 🤖 AI and deepfake technologies are becoming increasingly sophisticated, raising concerns about the authenticity of digital content and the potential for misuse.
- 🔐 Security risks associated with neural implants include the possibility of hacking and brain jacking, which could lead to unauthorized control over an individual's actions and speech.
- 🚀 The integration of neural implants with advanced AI could revolutionize human capabilities, potentially leading to a new wave of transhumanism and the augmentation of physical and mental abilities.
- 📚 Ethical concerns arise with the use of neural implants, particularly regarding the age at which they should be implanted and the potential impact on critical thinking and human development.
- 🌐 Decentralized identity solutions, like those being developed by identity.com, aim to address the challenges of verifying digital content and preventing identity theft in the age of AI and deepfakes.
- 🔒 Digital signatures and cryptographic methods are being explored to ensure the authenticity of digital content and to prevent AI from forging signatures.
- 📱 Decentralized identities store personal information solely on the individual's device, reducing the risk of data breaches and enhancing privacy.
- 🌐 The concept of a decentralized identity involves a blockchain-stored attestation of personal information, which is only accessible by the individual's biometrics and device.
- 🔍 Identity.com is working on a system where digital content, including AI-generated content, would be embedded with verifiable credentials to ensure the source and authenticity of the content.
- 🌐 The future of digital interactions may involve a 'Provenance tab' or similar feature, allowing users to verify the origin and authenticity of content they encounter.
Q & A
What is the potential security risk associated with neural implants like Neuralink?
-The security risk includes the possibility of hacking into someone's neural implant to access sensitive information or even control their actions and speech, a concept known as 'brain jacking'.
How does Philip Shoemaker view the implications of Neuralink technology for disabled individuals?
-Philip Shoemaker sees the technology as having positive implications for disabled individuals, as it could potentially allow them to control prosthetic limbs or regain the use of lost functions.
What are the ethical concerns regarding the use of neural implants in young individuals?
-There are concerns about the appropriate age for neural implant augmentation, as the brain continues to develop until around the age of 25.过早使用神经植入物可能会影响年轻人的批判性思维能力的形成。
How does Philip Shoemaker envision the future of brain-computer interfaces (BCIs)?
-Philip Shoemaker envisions a future where BCIs allow for direct and instantaneous interaction with computers and AI, potentially leading to a more isolated society and a reliance on technology for decision-making.
What is the concept of decentralized identity that identity.com is working on?
-Decentralized identity is a system where personal identity data is stored only on the individual's device, not on centralized databases, providing more control over personal information and reducing the risk of data breaches.
How does identity.com plan to address the issue of deep fakes and AI-generated content?
-Identity.com is working on cryptographic methods to ensure that content is signed by its creator, providing a verifiable credential that distinguishes between human-generated and AI-generated content.
What are the potential societal divisions that could arise from the widespread adoption of neural implants?
-The adoption of neural implants could lead to a division between those who can afford the technology and those who cannot, potentially exacerbating social inequalities and creating a gap between the 'haves' and the 'have nots'.
How does Philip Shoemaker propose to prevent the misuse of decentralized identity for creating fake IDs?
-Identity.com uses AI and cryptographic methods to verify the authenticity of IDs and personal information, ensuring that only legitimate identities are issued and stored on the individual's device.
What is the role of blockchain in decentralized identity systems?
-Blockchain is used to store a cryptographic attestation of the individual's identity information, ensuring that the data is secure and tamper-proof without storing personal information on the blockchain itself.
How does Philip Shoemaker view the balance between technological advancement and preserving human capabilities like critical thinking?
-He believes that technology should be used to augment human abilities, particularly for those in need, but cautions against over-reliance on technology that could diminish our natural cognitive abilities.
What are the potential implications for education if students have access to neural implants?
-There could be concerns about cheating on exams and the potential for neural implants to replace the need for critical thinking and learning, as students might rely on the implants to access information rather than developing their own cognitive skills.
Outlines
🧠 Neuralink and AI Integration
The discussion revolves around the potential and risks of neural implants like Neuralink, which can control devices with thoughts. The conversation touches on the implications for people with disabilities, the possibility of brain hacking, and the ethical considerations of such technology. The interviewee, Philip Shoemaker, CEO of identity.com, shares his thoughts on the positive uses of neural implants and the challenges they pose, including the potential for society to become divided based on access to this technology.
🎓 Future Education and Cheating Concerns
The speakers contemplate the future of education with neuralink technology, raising concerns about cheating in exams and the need for critical thinking development in students. They also discuss the potential for brain-computer interfaces (BCIs) to streamline interactions with computers and the possible societal changes that could result from widespread use of such technology.
🤖 Ethical and Societal Impact of Neuralink
The conversation delves into the ethical concerns surrounding neural implants, such as the appropriate age for implantation and the potential loss of critical thinking skills. The speakers also consider the societal divide that could emerge between those who can afford and those who cannot afford neural implants, leading to exclusionary technology and its potential consequences.
🔐 AI and Deepfake Security Measures
Philip Shoemaker discusses the work of identity.com in addressing security concerns related to AI and deepfakes. The focus is on creating a decentralized identity approach to ensure trusted transactions and interactions on the internet. The conversation highlights the importance of cryptographically signing content to verify its authenticity and the challenges of distinguishing between real and AI-generated content.
🆔 Decentralized Digital Identities
The discussion introduces the concept of decentralized digital identities as a solution to identity theft and the need for secure, private online interactions. Shoemaker explains how identity.com aims to provide individuals with a digital identity stored only on their devices, reducing the risk of data breaches and allowing for more control over personal information. The conversation also addresses the challenges of verifying identity and preventing the creation of synthetic IDs.
👋 Closing Remarks and Future Outlook
The interview concludes with Philip Shoemaker's appreciation for the discussion and a brief mention of his work at identity.com. The host thanks Shoemaker for his insights and invites viewers to follow his work, wrapping up the conversation with a reminder to like and subscribe to the content.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Neuralink
💡Brain-Computer Interface (BCI)
💡Transhumanism
💡Deepfake
💡Identity.com
💡Decentralized Identity
💡Cryptography
💡Digital Signature
💡Data Privacy
💡Ethical Concerns
💡AI Ethics
Highlights
The concept of brain jacking and the potential for someone to control another person's actions and speech through a neurochip.
The potential of neurochips to help disabled individuals and augment human capabilities.
Elon Musk's Neuralink making waves with its human trials, where a participant can control a computer mouse with a brain implant.
The ethical concerns and security risks associated with neurochips, including the possibility of hacking and information access.
The potential for neurochips to revolutionize education and the challenges of ensuring students still develop critical thinking skills.
The integration of neurochips with advanced AI and the implications for society, including the possibility of a collective consciousness.
The potential for neurochips to create a new transhumanist wave, where body parts are replaced with machines to augment physical and mental abilities.
The discussion on the potential societal division caused by the availability and affordability of neurochips.
The work of identity.com in addressing the crisis of AI and deep fakes by focusing on decentralized identity solutions.
The importance of cryptographically signing digital content to ensure its authenticity and prevent deep fakes from being mistaken for reality.
The concept of a decentralized identifier (DID) that is stored only on an individual's device, providing a more secure and private form of identity management.
The challenges of verifying synthetic identities created by AI and the measures taken by identity.com to combat this issue.
The potential for neurochips to lead to a future where interactions with AI are silent and internal, changing the way we communicate and interact with others.
The potential for neurochips to impact traditional institutions like medical schools, as the need for memorization may decrease with instant access to information.
The discussion on the potential for neurochips to be used in competitive environments, such as the Olympics, and the ethical considerations this raises.
The potential for neurochips to create an app store, allowing users to choose and run different AI engines and applications directly in their brains.
The potential societal division between those who can afford and access neurochips and those who cannot, leading to a gap in technological advancement and opportunities.
Transcripts
and of course there's security risk as
well you could in theory hack somebody's
chip therefore accessing a lot of
information yeah imagine right this
concept of brain jacking being somebody
be able to to uh uh getting through the
loopholes getting through the code on
your brain and be able to control what
you do and what you say imagine us right
now if somebody wanted to control what I
was saying and I was embedded with that
they could do it and suddenly I'm saying
some really wrong stuff on on an
interview with David Lynn to me this
would be bad so but there are great use
cases for this we're living in an age
where sci-fi is becoming reality what
happens when we implant neurochips into
our brain that can control things
remotely or perhaps even download or
upload information to the internet what
happens when AI becomes so ingrained
with our reality we can't distinguish
between deep fake and what's real how do
we protect ourselves from this we'll be
discussing these themes with our next
guest Philip Shoemaker executive
director and CEO of identity.com and
he's working on issues that solve the
crisis regarding AI uh and deep fake but
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back to the show good to see you again
great to see you David thanks for having
me on we're going to talk about uh
neuralink first and also uh new
developments in AI so Elon musk's
neuralink is Making Waves in the um in
the news I'll just read you this
paragraph from CNN that came out this
morning on on Tuesday uh first neuralink
human trial subject can control a
computer mouse with brain implant Elon
Musk says uh he says the neurol Link's
first human trial participant can
control a computer mouse with a brain
nearly one month after having the comp
company's ship implanted uh details
remain sparse and other companies
working on brain uh computer interfaces
appear to have so far cleared more
technological hurdles than neurolink um
I think that's what I think what it's
trying to say is it's not you know a new
idea but I I guess doing it on a
different scale um according to musk
progress is good patient seems to have
made a full recovery and is able to uh
control the mouse move the mouse around
the screen just by thinking um he said
on a
conversation on X basis uh philli what's
your what's your uh first impression
upon hearing the news that neurolink is
going ahead with human trials well look
I I think there's there's a lot of good
positive implications here for uh for
the technology World by embedding this
in in in the brain uh some of it has to
do with getting disabled people to be
able to walk Etc uh uh you know use use
a Limbs and and that kind of thing but
it also helps us augment ourselves uh
for people that are are losing brain
capacity losing memory capacity Etc so
for me I was really fired up when I
heard the news because I think this is
the direction that the the world is
going and and uh that humanity is going
and this is stuff that we need to be
able to help us advance in uh in the
future uh but it's not entirely A New
Concept is it I mean people have tried
to uh control either prosthetic limbs or
objects with just their thoughts before
that's right you know and there have
been devices that you strap on the top
of your head that that read brain waves
and brain patterns to be able to do
similar things I I had one that you
could use to control the mouse on the
screen it was very rudimentary it wasn't
as uh uh as direct as you'd like and it
it had a lot of transmission errors
right uh uh issues you'd see glitches
the the hope is that by embedding this
chip into the motor uh portion of the
cortex you're able to control it much
more directly and more quickly so I
think that's the exciting thing is that
getting it directly embedded so to me
it's uh I'm I'm fired up on this Tech is
this the start of a new I guess
transhumanist wave where we start
replacing body Parts with machines and
augment our physical and perhaps even
mental
abilities yeah it really is you know we
we've seen this in in the last few years
obviously in the Olympics and with uh
with Runners and stuff having different
types of uh of uh prosthetic Limbs and
uh and wondering if they they should be
able to compete in the the Olympics with
with Olympian with the uh uh nonis you
know the non-disabled Olympics because
uh their their prosthetic limbs actually
worked better than he so transhumanism
is here we're going to see it just
continue to change and morph Etc and
people that are augmented with this Tech
uh might have to compete in different
types of Olympics or a different type of
Jeopardy and things like those kind of
games right yeah well let's talk about
some of the use cases of uh something
like neuralink I mean the first thing
that comes to my mind is students of the
future will just be able to cheat on
exams I don't even know how they would
be able to right to invigilate exams if
everybody has a chip in their brain that
they can theoretically hook up to the
internet but I'll let you comment on
some practical use cases that we can
benefit from well I I think you know I I
think you're thinking exactly along
along the same lines as I am remember
all this uh this last year all the
controversy about the grand Masters
playing chess together and whether the
one was cheating with a uh you know all
the all the theories about how uh how
that one guy was cheating it was uh it
makes you wonder in the future if
somebody has a neuralink how will you
know know or how won't you know right if
you go to New York City and you want to
play chess against some of those Masters
outside how are you going to know who's
uh who's augmented and who's not it's
it's not going to be easy and so this is
uh this is the scary part about the
future is that you're not going to know
if you're comparing Apples to Apples
until uh you start doing brain scans for
people that come into the room and
that's just seems ludicrous and of
course there's security risk as well you
could in theory hack somebody's chip
therefore accessing a lot of information
yeah imagine right this concept of brain
jacking being somebody be able to to uh
uh getting through the loopholes getting
through the code on your brain and be
able to control what you do and what you
say imagine us right now if somebody
wanted to control what I was saying and
I was embedded with that they could do
it and suddenly I'm saying some really
wrong stuff on on an interview with
David Lynn to me this would be bad so
but there are great use cases for this
right I mean right look one one of the
most interesting things and you're right
about students uh is is that I I think
there ultimately needs to be an age
range for this type of augmentation when
people are in school you want them to be
able to form that ability to do critical
thinking rather than letting a chat GPT
or something like that that's running on
the mirror link be able to do all the
critical thinking for you this is
something that's CR that's important for
us as humans uh that's what separates us
from the animals is this ability to
critical think and so those type of of
Solutions are going to be coming for
this but I think to help augment people
that need it or ultimately to augment
you to so you perform at a higher
standard but to me uh right now I think
we we need to have some sort of age
range in there and disallow this from uh
from brains while they're forming to to
be augmented in this way but uh but the
use cases are are are staggering right
obviously controlling
limbs uh instead of a human computer
interface there's going to be a BCI and
a brain computer interface where you can
just sit there and think what you want
the computer to do think about the code
you want to write think about what
application you want to launch and it's
just going to launch and it's going to
make things so much faster and a
streamline us in a way that uh that
these outside things outside uh forces
are going to be largely be ignored
because we're in there and we're direct
directly accessing the computer it's
also going to uh uh separate us a lot
and make us more uh isolated in our
world but to me just this direct BCI is
going to be phenomenal let's take this
one step further how what happens if we
integrate something like neuralink with
Advanced
AI yeah it's going to remove all I look
I think the one of the first things that
we're going to see is that everybody's
gonna just just you know just think
about simple things like when you go
into a movie theater and uh and you walk
through it do you go up to the left or
do you go up the right right majority of
people go up to the right or go up to
the left it's just a natural thing uh
but a smaller percentage go to the right
think about a simple thing that your
brain does that tells you which
direction you should go when you enter a
building is it to the left or to the
right this is all going to be automated
uh if we're all using the same critical
thinking engine we're all going to go
the same direction we're all going to be
in sync which is going to be good and
bad right there the status quo will be
99% of the people doing the same thing
over and over and over again uh because
that's what's expected that's what this
this Advanced AI is telling us to do and
that's going to permeate through every
aspect of our lives and I that is one of
the scary parts if you can imagine a
scenario in which you could integrate
something like chat gbt directly into
your brain ship what would that look
like well for me I look I think one of
the things neural Link's going to
ultimately do and I'm not just saying
this because I used to run the App Store
but they're GNA have an app store right
for neural link and you're going to be
able to choose what apps you want to be
running on this thing and uh and be able
to use different engin different AI
engines Etc um but uh but for me uh an
interface like that is is is really
reminiscent if you look at what what
some of these AI pins are doing right
these pins you can do or the glasses if
you look at a company called brilliant
Labs that has this Frame that allows you
to to ask uh chat GPT what is this
object I'm looking at can I buy it
online Etc this is going to be one of
the first things that we see is that
there's going to be a if you embed this
in the proper place you're going to be
able to have Optical you're going to
have auditory faculties all inside
you're not going to be able to see
anything on the outside people aren't
going to know that Chad GPT or one of
these Advanced AIS is talking to you and
you'll be able to carry on full
conversations without uttering the words
yourself just thinking them this is
going to be the interaction of the
future right this is the brain computer
interaction is that ultimately it might
be communicating to your to your device
that you're carrying with you but for
the most part this interaction is going
to be completely silent and we're going
to have a lot of long pauses and
conversations with people because
something's telling them what to say or
telling them you know or or thinking
through the question that you asked but
they're going to have a dialogue back
and forth in their head with an AI
That's the future right uh are there any
ethical concerns that immediately pop
into your mind no uh there there are so
many there are so many concerns across
the board look I I think that like I
said earlier that one of the first
things I worry about is the age that at
which people start uh uh incorporating
this there's you brain the brain
continues to to to mold until you're
roughly 25 and then with neuroplasticity
and other effects like that you continue
to generate new brain uh uh lay lay new
brain wires if you will neurons Etc to
to learn new things so the first one is
when you can put this thing into your
brain uh I think some of the other ones
are uh is this the right thing to do for
Humanity I think it's going to be easy
it's a slippery slope going down this uh
this this uh Direction Where We start
putting this in and all of our abilities
to critically think just disappeared
because we're not taxing our brain
anymore who knows right this whole
concept of use it or lose it what will
happen to our brain matter if we start
using less and less and less of it
because what's going to happen with
technology ultimately is it's G to fail
on us right suddenly my BCI is not
communicating to my phone I uh do I go
get a new appointment if I've lost all
my ability to do simple things like
calling up my doctor to get a new
appointment to replace the the chip
that's in my head uh what I'm just gonna
people are going to just forget what to
do right now we have the same issue with
technology in general but it's just
going to get worse if we rely on this so
much I'm not a neuroscientist so excuse
me my questions seem riment but if I
were to let's say download some
information uh using a neuralink chip um
and then that information becomes part
of my memory okay um and then I have to
remove the chip for whatever reason do I
still retain uh those pieces of
information that I think for the most
part that the way our brain is trained I
don't think that's going to be happening
right I think for the most part the
memory will be on chip memory that you
can access that you can store Etc
because the the the chemicals that are
um that need to get released in order
for your brain to make to lay new memory
p ways is going to be difficult to do
with something like this now there is a
possibility of that happening I just
don't think that's going to be the the
the main Direction it's going to be
storing it on that chip and once you
remove that chip you lose all access but
honestly it's probably not going to be
Memory at all because these
communications are going to be fast
enough that you can constantly consult
uh the internet right for every uh every
answer there will be a database out
there somewhere that you can consult to
get an answer and so who needs to
memorize things when it's always
instantly accessible why go to medical
school and memorize books of procedures
and and and and Concepts when you can
just access and I mean I it kind of
defeats the purpose of a lot of our
traditional institutions if you think
about it going forward this is going to
be revolutionary in a good and bad way
that's right I I agree and it it makes
you wonder I mean will colleges will
Harvard allowing students that have uh
have chips in their head because they're
not really learning right they're just
it's memoriza it's not even memorization
it's just replaying something that an AI
is telling me um yeah it does come back
to the question of why I mean I could do
the exact same thing with my phone
except this would be faster uh except it
would be a little a little more
convenient uh philli it it also raises
the question of whether or not it would
divide Society you have the halves who
would be able to afford this and be able
to augment their physical and perhaps
even mental uh cognitive abilities and
then you have they have knobs have knots
who um you know just have to put up with
being human if that's even a bad thing
going
forward yeah this technology is not
going to be cheap right and uh so so
we're gonna have we're gonna have
multiple camps here we're gonna have the
people that want it the tech forward
people uh that can afford it that want
it and they're probably gonna have to
pay a monthly fee to to use it Etc right
they're the ones that are going to try
to advance society and that's going to
be the hals and then there's different
camps of Have Nots the ones that can't
afford it and the ones that are just
ethically predisposed to hate this thing
right and so we're going to have those
various camps that that do that and I
think the biggest ones are are are the
biggest issues are the ones between the
people that want it but can't afford it
the people that want it and can't afford
it and that separation is going to uh
significantly divide Society I think
this is a a very exclusionary technology
not everyone's going to be getting it uh
but those that that get it will probably
just continue to be able to advance
themselves Advance their Direction
Advance their career and Advance their
ability to make money which will further
that that that Gap right and I think
that's one of the most frightening
things about this okay uh let's move on
to another aspect of tech which is uh
the development of AI and its practical
uses that may or may not be harmful to
society so certainly your company is
working on a few security measures I
believe
to alleviate some of the um concerns
that people have around AI tell us more
about the work that you're doing yeah at
identity.com you we focus on a
decentralized identity approach and what
people often think about this is that
that we're running around wanting
everybody and every interaction on the
internet to be identified right as as a
person a and person B that we know their
driver's license number we know
everything about them and that's not the
case what we want to do we want to know
we want to ensure that uh trusted
transactions are carried out between
trusted individuals two trusted
individuals so for example if I want to
send money from one person to another or
if somebody is asking me on behalf of
their company or behalf of my company to
send money to another company I just
need to ensure that person is who they
say they are now what's happening what
we're seeing in the world is deep fake
Technologies which we've seen happened
over the course of the last few years
have uh have tricked people into sending
a large amounts of money from one from
their company to another random address
because they got a message from the CEO
or they sat down in a zoom call with the
CEO who told them to do this or the CFO
and we've seen this time and time again
and one of these one of these problems
is that these AIS and these these uh uh
deep fake type of Technologies are so
compelling and they're they look so real
that you can't differentiate one from
another um reality from this fake
reality and so what we believe is that
moving forward that every type of
interaction you have everything from
images that you inest uh pictures that
you take um all of that is something
that needs to be signed right it needs
to be signed cryptographically that says
this is a message from Philip Schumaker
Philip Schumaker swears that this
content is real Etc right and that's
something that that identity.com has
been working on with companies like
Adobe they have this thing called the
content authenticity initiative that
allows you to embed watermarks in images
in videos and audio to ensure that there
is a verifiable credential a credential
that says this is from Philip Shoemaker
and I think this is just the first step
we see these I don't if you saw what
what happened at that isaa high school
last week about these students that uh
that posted pictures that they just took
from Instagram from fellow students and
then sent through the nud Toy app and
then posted them everywhere as though
that person is posting new pictures of
themselves now in some cases these were
14y olds but you know age is important
here but also the Taylor Swift photos
from a few weeks earlier Etc there's a
lot of these things that what that that
you have to ask yourself what is the
value for these type of of services out
there fine you want to run a n toy
server on your and and do this for your
own personal enjoyment look there might
be ethical implications there but as
soon as you want to start posting things
you have to understand that this content
is unsigned there's nobody putting their
name behind it and therefore you
shouldn't believe that Tech and that's
the kind of thing we're building we're
building a technology and a world where
the only content you should ingest and
should trust is content you that is
signed by the author right something
like how do you sign in yeah so Adobe is
working with with uh companies like New
York Times and others but also with
camera manufacturers that you embed your
identity um as much of your identity as
you want into the camera and with each
photo you take it just embeds a
watermark into that photo so when you
trip when you send it around one there's
Providence you know who took this photo
right that that can handle royalty and
other things there but most importantly
that it's not created by an AI and so
this is a watermark that's just kind of
hidden if you want to know who who
access it you can drop it into a reader
that ultimately says oh yeah this is
this is was created by Philip Shoemaker
that he is who he says he is here's his
his uh decentralized identifier called a
did that you can dig in and be able to
get more information about him and so
things like this are ultimately going to
prove the Providence of uh of content
and that includes uh AI created content
I would love if mid journey and Dolly
and these other uh and Sora and these
other content creators will ultimately
embed uh a verifiable credential in
their output that says this was created
by an AI so it's IND so we know that
this assigned content but it was created
by an AI versus this assigned content
and it was created by David Lynn suppose
I create a fake interview with Philip
Shoemaker okay using deep fake um it's
obvious he's not signed by you nor
myself but how would people be able to
distinguish uh whether or not that's
real what are the tools or perhaps
indicators you could use to know whether
or not this is an authentic inter
interview if it is not signed because I
presumably this process would take some
time for All Digital content to have
some sort of signature right yeah right
now the way it works is that pretty much
no content is signed and uh if you want
to sign content you can do so using
adobe's tools uh ultimately by using
identity.com App Etc we are working on
an app to handle this as well but that
allows you to sign the content and
ultimately read it so when we're I see a
future where uh viewers uh uh Macs um
iPhones Etc will ultimately have a um a
Providence tab or an identity tab that
you just can tap on to be able to see
who is behind this this uh um this uh
content uh that is the that is the way I
see it working in the future is that all
readers zooms Etc we know where this is
like for example right now I'm talking
to you and I see it as coming from your
computer from your camera but who knows
what's in between this this uh uh
between the camera is it going through
something that uh that is putting an
avatar in your place that's replacing
your face Etc we ultimately be able need
to be able to see the Providence of that
camera to ensure that uh that it's that
that this data feed is not being
tampered with and that's how the tech
that's how deep this technology
ultimately has to go is we want
everything to be signed by the hardware
uh
ideally technology is going to become so
Advanced we're going to have to resort
back to the old times when we have to
sit face to face to ensure that we're
actually people can do this interview
face to face exactly we're advancing so
far that we have to go backwards uh
Phillip so uh not everything is signed
right now um and you're working on
digital signatures going forward but AI
could not replicate a digital signature
and fraudulently I guess Forge a
signature yeah so with with these
cryptographical methods cryptographic
methods we could ensure that uh the
technology can't be signed by anyone
other than me now what that means is
that I have a private key somewhere that
allows me to cryptographically sign an
image sign the data and then there's a
registry somewhere that you could see
what my signature is and and see if
that's the real Philip Shoemaker sure an
AI could create another Philip Shoemaker
that looks similar to me Etc but it
won't have that signature it won't be
part of the registry and people be able
to differentiate the two but you're
absolutely right I mean one of the big
problems that we have with this right
now is that what is identity right is uh
identity for most of us is a governmen
issued ID and uh if we can see that AIS
are now forging documents like this so
readily uh that uh that it's going to
make this even difficult so what do we
need here right do we need uh do we need
one company or one government to stand
up and say okay we're issuing
decentralized identi ifers right away as
soon as you're born Etc you're going to
get a decentralized identifier which
will carry with you for life uh it just
gets more and more complex right to
solve this problem and uh and you know
it's it's interesting to be involved in
this because we're always looking
forward we're always trying to get ahead
of what the scammers and the AIS are
going to ultimately try to
replace interesting well can we learn
more about identity.com in your work
yeah identity.com we founded this
company to be able to solve some of the
problems that people have there's you
know millions of people in the world
that don't have real identities uh their
country has uh has gone through War Etc
so they don't have an identity which
many of us take for granted and uh we
wanted to ensure that we could create a
nonprofit to be able to start issuing
decentralized digital identities to
people uh who are uh part of the Have
Nots right the people that don't have
those sorry what what is a decentralized
identity can you yeah a decentralized
identity if you think about a digital
identity a digital identity is typically
something that's issued to you from a
Facebook or an apple or a Google they
issue an identity that is stored in a
centralized database right so when I go
to Facebook I log in with Facebook they
have a centralized database of all of
their customers right everybody all
their identities are stored in these in
these uh uh identity honey Pots if you
will a decentralized identity means that
no data is ever stored on the web about
me it's stored only in my phone and if
somebody wants access to my information
let's say I I go apply for a loan at at
Chase Bank I can scan a code that says
uh here's my identity information I
immediately get a push notification on
my phone that says hey Phillip Chase
wants this information from you uh are
you willing to uh uh give them that
information and it lists out all the
information they give you it's it's a
self- sovereign type of approach and
you're like yes I'll give my social
security number because I'm applying for
a loan give my name my address Etc and
give them the access they need but when
it comes to something like hey this bar
wants you wants to know if you're over
21 uh it's a completely different
request if the bar is asking for my name
my phone number my address and my full
birth date I will say no because that's
too much information right that's data
leakage but the whole concept of
decentralized identity is that there's
an ad testation stored on a blockchain
somewhere that says yes this is Philip
sh's information it's been stored but
it's stored only on his phone it's not
stored on the blockchain we don't want
uh any pii stored on a chain in case
ultimately it can get hacked uh or or uh
you know these quantum computers can
ultimately decrypt it and so you want to
store this only on your device and so
all of my interactions involve me with
my Biometrics and ultimately my device
to prove I am who I say I am and the
data only is ever stored on my device
but why why would you want this only on
your on your phone as opposed to to
having multiple ID cards you know in
your wallet just as an example yeah so
the part of the problem with with having
it on your phone is that uh you can have
interaction there's interesting
technologies that could be used for a
decentralized identity first of all you
want it off of people's servers because
these centralized databases are are
honey pots right honey pots for the
hackers the hackers say hey if I break
into this into this one database I'll
have 10 million uh uh
pieces of information about about people
right 10 million identities whereas to
get my identity you have to steal my
phone physically and then hack my phone
which is also we know is a difficult uh
problem and so it's more of a onetoone
attack that's why you want it on your
own phone versus a centralized Honeypot
but why do I want it on my phone versus
carrying around a bunch of cards part of
the reason is that you want to go
through a kyc process only once you
don't want to do it over and over and
over again right if you if you go to
gambling webs sites or if you do stock
stocks or or crypto trading at all you
have to authenticate yourself at every
exchange you go to Every gambling site
you go to all of these things you always
have to authenticate yourself but that
just means that more and more pictures
of your ID are floating around out there
that people have access to you want to
do it once on your device that's only a
conversation between you and your
computer you and your device and then
ultimately you can use that device to
have uh just the information needed to
log you into a service to access a
service to send a wire Etc just through
your phone and only the little amount of
information necessary and that's why you
want it on your
device um what if I'm a criminal and I
want to make a fake ID and store it on
my phone would you prevent that from
happening or how would you prevent that
from happening yeah for the most part
the way these these uh identity Services
work is they uh they look at your your
ID first of all they they scan your you
ultimately have to go through one kyc
process right so you scan that first ID
and this is where the criminal will
they'll create a fake ID and they'll
scan it and our Technologies and the
Technologies we leverage from other
companies as well we'll look for the
watermarks they will look to make sure
it's a current document they'll up
they'll look at all the information and
then they'll ultimately read all the
data that's on there they'll compare
your face to the face that's on the ID
and then they'll compare all the data to
backend service backend databases right
we're we're all online somewhere so
Equifax uh TransUnion and all of these
folks are uh uh are the datab are these
uh uh giant databases of credit that
ultimately need to get access to
determine if you are who you say you are
if the data on the ID matches uh any
sort of the backend databases Etc so it
does a check there as well um but look
there's still there's still a problem
with synthetic IDs and that's uh uh
that's where AI Mash together things
like uh somebody that's recently passed
uh that hasn't been inter into any
databases and then they shove your name
on top of the ID Etc but there's a uh we
combat it with AI as well a lot of these
these identity companies on fedo and
others use AIS to be able to really look
closely at your ID to make sure it's not
fake and then do a lot of analysis of
the data that's on there to ensure that
it Ma matches with backend databases to
ensure that it's not just a a synthetic
identity okay perfect well appreciate
your time Phillip and uh we'll put the
links down below so people can follow
your work and we'll speak again next
time appreciate your time that's great
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