India Stuck In 'Bronze Age'? | Democratic Newsroom Debate On India's Performance In Paris Olympics
Summary
TLDR本期节目讨论了印度在奥运会上的表现,为何印度未能破解奥运密码。编辑们分享了各自的观点,包括对印度体育制度的批评、运动员的个人责任以及政治在体育发展中的作用。讨论强调了哈里亚纳邦的体育政策成功案例,以及需要从基层培养运动员、提高体育标准和激励措施。同时,指出了社会对体育的支持不足和文化上的挑战。
Takeaways
- 🏅 印度在奥运会上的表现有待提高,尽管在这次奥运会上获得了6枚奖牌,但与预期相比仍有差距。
- 🤔 印度未能在奥运会上取得更多奖牌的原因复杂,不应简单归咎于个人或单一因素。
- 💭 体育编辑Vikrant Gupta认为,印度作为一个体育国家还在觉醒,对奖牌的渴望和庆祝态度需要改变。
- 🎯 印度需要从基层做起,提高体育标准,而不仅仅是培养少数精英运动员。
- 🏆 哈里亚纳邦的体育政策是一个成功的例子,通过提供激励和支持,促进了体育人才的涌现。
- 👶 从小培养体育人才至关重要,需要从孩子很小的时候就开始发掘和培养他们的体育潜力。
- 🤷♂️ 社会和家长对体育的支持程度,以及对体育文化的培养,对运动员的成长有重要影响。
- 🥇 中国的体育成功展示了有目标、有计划地培养运动员的重要性,印度可以借鉴这种做法。
- 🏋️♂️ 运动员自身的动力和决心,即所谓的“肚子里的火”,对于取得成功至关重要。
- 👨👩👧👦 来自不同背景的运动员,特别是那些来自普通家庭的运动员,可能因为缺乏压力而有更好的表现。
- 📉 印度体育需要一个连贯的政策和长期规划,而不是仅仅依赖于个别运动员的突出表现。
Q & A
为什么印度在奥运会上的表现没有达到预期?
-根据讨论,印度在奥运会上的表现可能受到了多种因素的影响,包括体育系统的不足、对精英运动员的投资不均衡、缺乏从基层培养人才的体系等。
印度在奥运会上获得的奖牌数量是否令人满意?
-讨论中提到,尽管印度运动员在奥运会上获得了6枚奖牌,但许多人认为这并未达到预期,应该有更好的表现。
印度体育界是否存在对第四名的过度庆祝问题?
-有观点认为,印度体育界有时会对第四名的成绩过度庆祝,而应该更加关注如何提升到领奖台上。
印度的体育政策是否需要改革?
-讨论指出,印度的体育政策可能需要改革,以更全面地提升运动员的水平,而不仅仅是关注少数精英运动员。
哈里亚纳邦的体育政策有哪些特点?
-哈里亚纳邦的体育政策包括提供高额奖金、奖学金和就业保障等,这些政策有助于培养和激励运动员。
为什么哈里亚纳邦在体育方面表现突出?
-哈里亚纳邦虽然人口只占印度总人口的2%,但在奥运会上贡献了超过35%的奖牌,这得益于该邦的体育政策和对体育的重视。
印度体育界是否存在对运动员的过度宽容?
-有观点认为,印度体育界可能对运动员过于宽容,没有给予足够的压力和激励,导致运动员没有充分发挥潜力。
印度体育界是否应该更加注重奖牌的颜色而不是数量?
-讨论中提到,印度体育界应该更加注重追求金牌,而不是仅仅满足于获得奖牌。
印度的体育培养是否应该从更小的年龄开始?
-有建议认为,印度应该从孩子更小的时候就开始培养体育才能,以建立更坚实的体育基础。
印度体育界是否缺乏对运动员的持续支持?
-讨论中提到,印度体育界可能在运动员达到一定水平后提供支持,但缺乏从基层开始的持续培养和支持。
印度体育界是否需要更多的资源投入?
-虽然印度体育界可能并不缺乏资源,但讨论指出,资源的分配可能不均衡,需要更加合理地分配以支持更多的运动员。
Outlines
🏅 印度奥运表现讨论
本段落讨论了印度在奥运会上的表现,提出了为何印度未能在奥运会上取得更大成功的疑问。讨论者包括体育编辑Vikrant Gupta等人,他们探讨了是否只有一个因素导致失败,还是存在更多复杂的原因。Vikrant Gupta认为,尽管印度赢得了六枚奖牌,但作为体育国家,印度可能仍在觉醒中。他强调,印度应该不仅仅庆祝奖牌,而应该追求更高的标准,例如至少赢得两枚金牌和十枚奖牌。他还批评了印度体育系统的不均衡发展,指出资金被用于少数精英运动员,而不是提升整体体育水平。
🤔 哈里亚纳模式的成功与挑战
这一段讨论了哈里亚纳州如何通过体育政策和激励措施,成功培养出大量奥运奖牌获得者。讨论者提到,2000年后,哈里亚纳州首次推出了一项全面的体育政策,大幅提高了奖牌获得者的奖金,并为年轻运动员提供奖学金和支持。这些措施包括为参加奥运会的运动员提供资金支持,无论是否获得奖牌。然而,尽管哈里亚纳模式取得了成功,其他州并未能复制这一模式,这引发了对整个国家体育发展不平衡的讨论。
🏋️♂️ 运动员的责任与期望
在这一段中,讨论者表达了对印度运动员在奥运会上表现的失望,特别是对于那些拥有丰富资源的高知名度运动员。他们认为,尽管运动员们得到了大量的支持和资源,但许多人并未达到预期的表现水平。讨论者强调,运动员需要有更高的自我要求,社会也不应该仅仅因为运动员得到了资源就降低对他们的期望。此外,讨论者还提到了文化和情感因素可能影响对运动员表现的批评和期望。
👨👧👦 体育文化与社会支持
本段落探讨了体育文化和家庭支持在培养运动员方面的重要性。讨论者指出,印度社会往往更重视学术成就而非体育发展,这可能阻碍了体育人才的发掘和培养。他们提到,即使在资源有限的情况下,有决心和热情的运动员仍然可以取得成功,但这种情况并不常见。此外,讨论者还强调了一致性和长期政策对于体育发展的重要性,举例说明了中国如何通过长期投资和人才选拔策略在体育上取得成功。
🔥 内在动力与成功的关键
最后一段讨论了内在动力或'fire in the belly'对于运动员成功的重要性。讨论者认为,无论资源如何,真正有决心和渴望成功的运动员会克服困难并取得成就。他们用Abhinav Bindra和Milkha Singh等运动员的例子来说明这一点,并批评了那些在关键时刻表现不佳的运动员。讨论者还提到,尽管印度在资源上并不缺乏,但在奖牌榜上的排名仍然低于一些资源较少的国家,这引发了对印度体育系统和文化需要改进的讨论。
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Keywords
💡奥运会
💡奖牌
💡体育政策
💡资源
💡体育文化
💡火在肚子里
💡责任
💡选拔
💡人才发掘
💡系统
💡激励
Highlights
讨论了印度在奥运会上未能取得突破的原因,提出了是否只有一个人或实体应受到责备,还是答案更为复杂。
印度在本届奥运会上共获得6枚奖牌,有望获得第七枚,但作为体育国家,印度仍在觉醒中。
印度体育迷情感丰富,喜欢寻找责任方,但体育成绩不佳的原因是多方面的。
印度体育界存在对第四名的庆祝文化,但这并不是一个体育强国应有的态度。
印度在奥运会上的表现与资源投入不成比例,特别是与射击项目获得的三枚奖牌相比。
印度体育管理层存在问题,如精英运动员的选拔和资源分配。
印度体育需要一个整体提升,而不仅仅是培养少数顶尖运动员。
政治家和政治对印度体育至关重要,例如哈里亚纳邦的体育政策极大地促进了当地体育发展。
哈里亚纳邦的体育政策包括巨额奖金和奖学金,吸引了众多年轻人参与体育。
印度体育需要更多的激励机制,如哈里亚纳邦为奥运会参赛者提供的奖金。
讨论了印度体育文化的问题,包括家庭和社会对运动员的支持。
印度体育界存在对平庸的庆祝,而不是追求卓越。
中国和美国等国家通过长期一致的政策取得了体育上的成功,而印度需要学习这种长期投入。
印度体育需要从基层做起,而不仅仅是关注顶尖运动员。
讨论了印度体育系统中存在的问题,如缺乏连贯性的政策和对运动员的长期支持。
印度体育需要更多的资源和更好的基础设施,以支持运动员的成长。
强调了运动员需要有内在的动力和渴望成功的决心,这是体育成功的关键因素。
讨论了印度体育界对运动员表现的批评和期望,以及如何平衡鼓励和严格要求。
最后,强调了对所有印度运动员的骄傲和支持,希望他们在未来的奥运会上取得更好的成绩。
Transcripts
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hello and welcome to a brand new episode
of democratic Newsroom where all of our
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Today News Room pick up the big story of
the day and we kick it around expressing
our opinions this is recorded live this
is unedited and uncensored joining me on
today's very hot topic why has India
failed to crack the Olympics code
vikrant Gupta our sports editor snaha
murani prti Chri gor sa and AK nand
gopal now another Olympics has come and
gone we're very very proud of all of our
Sports people especially the ones who've
brought us six medals this time
hopefully it will be a seventh by
tomorrow the fact is there are hard
questions to ask and that's the only
thing that can make things really better
as sports fans in India we are an
emotional lot we love to assign blame we
like to look for someone to blame for
when things don't go our way and things
definitely aren't what they should have
been perhaps in this Olympic so why has
India failed to crack the Olympic code
is there only one person to blame or one
entity to blame or is it a much more
complicated answer let's open it up here
on the Democratic Newsroom vikrant I'm
going to kick it off with you you've
looked at Sports longer than any of us
here have is it one thing to blame or
are there many things who would you
blame for India not cracking the
Olympics Cod sh the very fact that the
uh topic of the debate is whether or not
it's been a good Olympics in in spite of
the fact that we won six medals is
testimony to the fact that as a sporting
Nation maybe we are still waking up if
you were to talk to me in 2008 before
the Olympics that in the next four
Olympics India will win 24 medals I
would have taken that because I come
from a generation where after
1980 the first Olympic medal that I saw
was
1996 and One Medal so One Medal would
mean that the Olympics was a success
story for us we won
six and I'm very happy that we not Bly
codling the fact that uh there were a
few fourth place finishes yeah I don't
think as a sporting Nation we should
ever celebrate a fourth place M when
India lost the World Cup final last year
the team wasn't praised we were critical
of the team we said why is it that
you've not been able to win the World
Cup uh you've done well in terms of the
numbers reasonably well because shooting
gave you three medals other than that I
don't think this has been a good
Olympics uh if V is uh if VES is able to
get the medal which I have my doubts
he'll be seven yeah at par with the best
but this Olympics India should have
finished finished with at least two gold
medals at least 10 medals anything short
of that we are not a sporting who who
who would you hold accountable if you
had to like Point your finger some you
uh when you talk about Cricket you don't
talk about the franchises do we no we
talk about the BCCI in India the problem
is you're spending money it's not as if
you're not spending money but you're
spending money on Elite athletes and who
decides the elite athletes your um uh
sporting uh
NOS you know there are um um private
entities who run your sports it's not
the Indian Olympic Association which
decides okay person a is your Elite
Sports and why is it that you're only
concentrating on the a 10 or 12 athletes
we are spending money on them but are we
raising the standard of sports in India
in cricket uh just to give you an
example because my sons they play age
group tournaments in under 16 every year
there are 450 kids who play the BCC
tournaments in under 19 there are 450
kids in under 23 there are 450 kids and
in ranji Trophy there could be 500 so
you've got even if there are
duplications about 1,00 athletes in
cricket playing the age group
tournaments right within the BCCI so
you're just trying to elevate the
standard of the game here you're just
trying to elevate the standard of a few
athletes which means that if they don't
do well so it's not a holistic approach
you're saying I mean the the Federation
has to run the show okay and they've
been pushed into the background pry
would you assign blame in One Direction
you know um very often should we like to
say that the you know politicians should
be kept out of spots I actually feel
because the kind of setup that we have
in this country politics um or
politicians are essential to sports why
do I say that I'll give you an example
and I'll give you an example from the
state that I come I come from the state
of harana now harana with 2% of India's
population gives in 35% of the medal
over 66% this time 66% this time but
overall about 35% of the medals have
come from harana which is 2% of the
population one might say that uh you
know we are genetically blessed that's
not true there's a reason you create a
cradle of sportsmanship you create a
cradle of Excellence how do you do that
and I'll give you examples before the
Sydney 2000 Olympics in harana and
across the country the prize for a gold
medal was one lakh for a bronze medal
was 2 was less than 20,000 rupees
something changed in 2000 2001 at that
time there was om prakash chotala he
completely changed the game for the
first time in this country a state
introduced a sports policy which was
then further adopted by successive
governments who came in her and I'll
give you an example overnight the uh
prize money from 1 lakh for the gold
shot up to 1 CR for the gold overnight
now this was a sports policy for the
first time a state introduced a cohesive
Sports policy under the sports policy uh
the then government also introduced uh
lots of you know scholarships for kids
where you picked up these small kids
from you know Villages where the akaras
were a regular way of life in harana but
you send out Scouts to see that this is
a bright girl this is a bright boy pull
them up and started sponsoring them
right talent and I'll give you an
example then how did you up the game I
have to say that when the kutar
government came in the priz money from
one CR uh you know 2 and a half CR was
also push in by the Congress in between
but the government turned it to five
cres for which is huge for the gold
right the incentive exp incentive and
then there was a constitutional
amendment in the harana assembly uh in
uh 2003 and I remember under the hudas
at that point of time which made sure
that if you know uh you know a person U
goes to a national you will be you know
you'll have job security right and you
and and you'll get that kind of support
harana was the first you know just give
me one you know 30 seconds was the first
state to introduce you qualify for the
Olympics I don't care if you get a medal
we'll give you 15 lakhs now look at it I
just want our viewers to shut their eyes
other than an abinav bindra abinav
bindra fabulous we're proud of him but
he came from privilege right now tell me
how many of our sports persons can
actually come when they are 13 14 where
they can tell their parents I want to be
a sports person invest in me and if I
fail then what you've got to incentivize
you know it's great to blame the players
to to and say you have everything at
your disposal yet you're not firing and
not performing you are investing in
players when they are already their top
level you're not handholding them the
question you've got boxing you've got
wrestling everything and the reason they
do well is because you know you know
it's the best place if the strcture
exists you created a nursery so if the
harana model so 1.66% of the land area
in the country which is harana has
yielded 66% of the the the number of
medals is small overall as vikrant said
we shouldn't be happy with anything less
than 10 but the fact is if the harana
model exists and and AKA if you want to
come in since you started then I'll go
to gorov is is uh is it then just
difficult to blame anyone because even
with the harana model in place and
vikrant I'll come to you after that is
that all of the states know this this
incentive model exists everyone knows it
it's public information we've got the
Olympic gold Quest we've got tops we've
got all the other National schemes as
well then what happened who do you blame
so I think that both vikrant and pry
have spoken about Talent sporting and
whatnot I have a bit of an unpop
poopular opinion on this which is that
first of all I was majorly disappointed
by the number of medals that we brought
back so no I wasn't satisfied with what
we had because I thought we could do
much better yeah I also greatly agree
with what prakash pakon said which is
that you know the athletes also need to
step up and I don't necessarily blame
each and every one of them I blame the
high-profile ones who vikrant spoke woke
off who've got all of the resources uh
you know at their back and call and they
simply many of them didn't step up I was
very disappointed with a luxious in
finishing fourth because I felt that he
choked at the last minute we can't you
were in the same finals could have won
the same finals I know exactly my point
so you know I felt you think we're soft
on athletes I feel I feel that you know
because that's the that's the message
that prash padukon was putting you
started off sh saying the very we very
emotional about it and I think that
emotion comes in the way of us being
critical when we need to be can't mordal
our where we expect them to perform
exactly where we expect them to perform
they must we must have that room where
we say that look you didn't do well we
should be able to critique them we
should be able to say that they didn't
bring their aame to the Olympics I mean
finishing fourth in so many sport is
simply unacceptable to me because like
we have said you know it's a medal on
nothing so it means that you've
essentially choked at the last moment
I'll get to the issue of choking also in
just a bit but yeah gorov would you
point your finger in in in one ction
more than any other or would you say
that it's it's complicated it needs a
kind of holistic response so look at
India's track record from the 1900s I'm
talking about pre-independence India
from 1900 when Norman Peto Wana Silva
again in in France in Paris from his
silver to n Chopra Silvera in 2024 so in
124 years we've only got 40 medals and
you know then we say wow we are harana
we are the Cradle we we very very
mediocre we're very mediocre in our
entire approach to the sport to our
entire approach to uh where we want to
be we lack that Killer Instinct we very
happy you know what do we call our
scheme we call it tops we call it Podium
finish what does China call it they say
go for gold they're not even aiming for
silver they're not aiming for bronze
they're not happy with silver they're
not happy with bronze so if of course
they had more money they put in more
resources and they put in more resources
at a wider scale uh if you just study
China's example from 2008 onwards till
now from you know our own Sports
Authority people tell us that from 20ies
they've gone up to over 3,000m they
start Talent spotting between the age of
three years and 5 Years start nurturing
them from 5 years onwards 25 years by
the time they come to the sport they're
masters of the game at 16 17 18 so they
have a much wider pool to choose from
there's deep selection that's happening
and they're going for gold we are so
happy wow Olympic bronze will I great I
just feel you know that that's the
problem that we we celebrate mediocrity
which I feel is not okay we should
celebrate when we get a medal I think
all celebrate which is great but we
should also be critical that's why I
sayate
owning culture in I all of us right here
tomorrow if gorov your daughter doesn't
want to do pursue academics and say 5
years ago she would have said I want to
do be a sports person at it of course
maybe you but like are all of us ready
for it it's Mye that a lot of people
don't have the resour we are not
focusing we are not identifying Talent
listen like all of these people barring
I mean I just can think of aab bindra
all of these sports persons even those
who won bronze in the Olympics and
otherwise as well do not come from very
well off backgrounds okay so the
question here is are we looking at the
Crux of the problem here focusing on
these people Talent spotting nutrition
of all of these question plus plus I
I'll just come to you plus this big big
question on whether as a country as
parents are we supporting as a society
are we supporting Sports
person many examples sporting cultur
Sports nurturing nurturing people kids
like you said when they're three and
four and five I mean how many parents
are ready for that kind of but s just a
quick counter you know the answer lies
in what you mentioned the fact that you
said besides an bindra you can't think
of anyone else who comes from a you know
a family of you know having the adequate
resources which means every single one
of the sportspersons right now have made
it through which means that if they've
got the talent they've shown through
they've come up till this podum no but
listen I'll quote abav bindra on this
you know when I was reading his book
what does he end it on that in India you
will win an Olympic gold despite of the
system so let's not it's so nice to sit
here it wasn't because of the system he
said it
I'm everyone has that's what that's what
abhinav bindra said when he himself said
that youis what the question on today's
table is which is that if the system is
the enemy he says in spite of the system
you'll win a medal if the system is the
enemy then why is it taking so long to
actually fix are we too forgiving with
ourselves is it about emotion is it
about culture about the problem specific
question you prakash padukone's comment
became a big flash point you know people
people piled on to him for saying that
you know it's time that the athletes
stepped up because it's no longer an era
where they're not getting there is there
is there anything to that what do you
think about what he saying he was
right uh she just mentioned about
mediocrity you know among the first
interviews that I did in my professional
career 1997 was uh Viv Richards so the
great Viv Richards was in India I
interviewed him I said uh Viv why is it
that the West Indies cricket has gone
down now from the earlier times he said
the problem is we've started rewarding
mediocrity once medoc becomes The
Benchmark staying mediocre is also an
achievement you've done the same and uh
we had huge but is it wrong to celebrate
bronze is that no it is not no no it is
wrong to celebrate fourth position the
moment you say beta Shan B that is wrong
and I'm not saying that everybody's
going to win a medal we are India after
all we're not the us or China let's be
very realistic uh but again you know if
somebody who finishes at number four
must also realize what he's missing out
on and uh no but you know when you say
we are India when you say we are India
we are not China and we are not America
China and America followed a consistent
policy they followed a consistent policy
over decades and that's how they got we
need to we done that in cricket and
we've done that in cricket and it's
worked in cricket worked in cricket I'll
tell you El it's great to it's great to
look at the players and say that you've
got everything going for you yet you're
not fighting you talk about the West
Indies team forget about everything look
at our own hockey team what did we do we
had a hockey team which would go on the
field and we would not know what would
come off them there was a cohesive
policy by the odisha state to adopt uh
you know uh hockey as a spot and what
odisha did for hockey possibly it's
another model we looking at a harana
model you look at a state adopting a
sport and doing wonders with that they
created a system for the hockey players
not just for 10 or 11 players I the
sport for having time changed having
times changed from before to now that
resources are adequate that there's no
lack of
resources I don't agree with that what
nurtures a sports person is when that
Sports person is 910 resources are not
adequate it's starting
not to say when they have already
reached a level that you have the
resources
i% ear 100% CL
the
100% I mean look at the way look at how
China you know trains the kids when 100%
agree that we should take
lessons seriously 10 years until then
they uh uh they would not come to the
olymp my
not Association has got more also to do
with us parents is the education system
we are focused on just studies in
metropolitan cities and to expect the
kids to
play that I agree with the reason the
reason people do uh people who come from
Humble backgrounds middle class
backgrounds will always do well in
sports because a there's no pressure for
them in smaller towns or villages to
study exactly you know you don't become
a champion practicing two hours in a day
you cannot and uh again if you if you
want studies and uh that's all that they
have I've seen that's their only sh I
have seen that with my own Sons you know
I I I would want them to do well in
studies yet play 9 hours a day it will
never be
isoss all of this to me is changing I
agree with pry 100% that you should you
know start them off young but
unfortunate reality is that 10 years ago
nobody cared nobody cared to give them
the funding nobody cared to give them
the resources you're doing it today
started it today you're not doing why
are you saying it's not happening today
because it's not at a at a grassroot
rebel a it's not very few States I
that's the problem tell me how
it's States you'll have boxers you'll
have wrestlers let me give you an examp
no no I'll give you an example okay what
is the center spending across States
harana gets the least yet why does it do
well because it has a cohesive Sports
State policy do you get that nowat don't
have
it don't also because of the Legacy it's
also
because I also want to put a we talk
about country about n you know when he
won the goal last time we thought uh
this is going to be huge for Indian
Athletics so other than NJ tell me one
one athlete in track and field who's
DB finishing 12 in the final you see
that attitude is is token participation
you you need fire in the belly and that
is where it's only the players who have
fire in the belly will do
well in the belly
Sil apolog he was an aberation he was
too
good system never created Abra got one
gold medal and that was
it was 14 or 15 in chandigar uh he was
in school I think it was 9th or 10th
standard and he created some world
record I just joined the Indian Express
that time and uh you know we ran a story
saying it's a world record and then
people said no no it can't be a world
record he's just 145 let's go and Recon
I remember that he went to Sydney yeah
he went to Sydney he failed he choked he
went to uh aons in 2004 he failed he
choked and then he won in 2008 look at
Manu bakara I mean again there there
must be some Hunger inside her
absolutely that's the point
I'm it's that fire in their belly that
our players need they have their fire in
the belly the system will kick in and
the system should kick in
got the belly when you come across 11
cricketers and we criticize them
absolutely that's the why can't you
replicate fire in the belly doesn't take
care of everything else it doesn't take
care doesn't feed your family at home
fire in the belly is great for an
aberration like a
near one who definitely has in for SPS
in this country most definitely
does guys but time I have to close right
now I'm sure we're going to do more of
this in the week ahead because Olympics
flavor hasn't seated yet but a couple of
thoughts just to leave all of our
viewers with one if we're talking about
fire in the belly V foga definitely
displayed it she had it and we're all
hoping that there is a positive outcome
to that court hearing uh you know we're
going to be waiting on that we of course
will report that the second is for a
country with no resources take a look at
the Olympic ranking and see the
countries that rank above India in
medals aeran usbekistan so many
countries including Pakistan that have a
fraction of the resources that India
actually has it's only a thought
remember nothing is that simple it's
much more complicated than that we
always always will be proud of all of
our athletes and sports stars and wish
them well and hope they bring us more
medals next time thanks so much for
watching to the point with p's next
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