Day One of Trump Jury Deliberations Ends | Balance of Power

Summary

「バランスの力」という番組では、ドナルド・トランプ前大統領のニューヨークでの刑事ハッシュ・マネー裁判に関する議論が中心になりました。陪審团は審判を終え、有罪か無罪かの判決を待つ緊張が高まっています。トランプは裁判に対して非難し、自分は冤罪だという主張を繰り返しました。一方、ジョー・バイデン大統領とハリス副大統領はフィラデルフィアでの竞选活動を行い、黒人層への支持を集めようと努力しています。さらに、サミュエル・アリート裁判官が自宅周辺で1月6日事件の旗を掲げた問題にも関わらず、トランプまたは1月6日に関する訴訟から回避しないと発表し、司法制度に対する信頼に関する議論が生じました。

Takeaways

• 📘 このスクリプトは、政治からビジネスまで、様々なトピックをカバーしている。
• 👥 トランプ前大統領のニューヨークでの刑事ハッシュ・マネー裁判に関する議論が中心となる。
• 🏛️ 裁判所からの最新情報として、陪審团は一日の審議を終え、翌日も審議を続ける予定である。
• 🗳️ トランプ前大統領は裁判に対して非難的で、自分に対して不正があると主張している。
• 📰 メディアはトランプ前大統領の反応とその周辺情報を報道しているが、裁判所での証言や証拠に焦点を当てている。
• 🤔 陪審団は裁判所からの回答や指示を求めるノートを送ったことから、審議の過程が興味深いとされている。
• 🎓 専門家からの分析が含まれており、元検察官の見解が述べられている。
• 🏢 ホワイトハウスからの報道も交えられており、バイデン大統領とハリス副大統領が黒人層への支持を集めるためのキャンペーン活動を行っている。
• 🏛️ 最高裁判所のサミュエル・アリート裁判官がトランプまたは1月6日に関する訴訟から回避しないと発表した。
• 📊 トランプ前大統領は政治戦略の一環として裁判を批判し、自身の罰せられる可能性に対する対応を示している。
• 🗳️ 選挙に関するトピックも触れられており、テキサス州の選挙結果が11月の選挙予測の指標になる可能性がある。

Q & A

ドナルド・トランプ前大統領の審判で陪審团はどのように反応を示しましたか？

陪審团は審判の第1日に質問を複数回提出しました。彼らは2015年の重要な会議に関する証言を再び聞きたいと求め、また裁判官からの指示をもう一度聞いてみたかったと示しました。

トランプ前大統領は裁判に対してどのような主張をしていますか？

トランプ前大統領は裁判が非常に偏ったと主張し、裁判官が腐敗していると述べています。彼は自分に対して課せられた罪状が不正であると強調しています。

トランプ前大統領の刑事手続きに関する陪審团の審議がどのような結果をもたらす可能性がありますか？

陪審团は2つの結論に達する可能性があります。1つは無罪判決で、もう1つは有罪判決です。もし意見が分かれる場合は、裁判官からの追加の指示を受けることになるかもしれません。

トランプ前大統領が裁判に応じる準備はできていますか？

トランプ前大統領は裁判に関連して様々な刑事事件に対処しているとされていますが、彼は裁判に積極的に対応しているとみられます。

トランプ前大統領の裁判は政治的影響力にどのような影響を与える可能性がありますか？

トランプ前大統領の裁判は政治的な影響を与える可能性があります。彼が有罪判決をもらった場合、彼の政治的な立場が変わる可能性があります。

トランプ前大統領の裁判に関する最新の動向は何ですか？

トランプ前大統領の裁判に関する最新の動向は、陪審团が審議を続けることと、彼らが裁判官からの指示を再び聞きたいと求めたことです。

トランプ前大統領の裁判において、陪審团が関心を持つ主なポイントは何ですか？

陪審团はトランプ前大統領との間の2015年の会議に関する証言に関心を持ち、さらに裁判官からの指示を再び聞きたいと求めています。

トランプ前大統領の裁判において、裁判官の役割は何ですか？

裁判官は陪審团が適切に審議を行うためのガイドを提供し、彼らが法に基づいて判断するのに必要な情報を提供する役割を果たします。

トランプ前大統領の裁判において、陪審团の構成員はどのように選ばれますか？

陪審团の構成員は、裁判所によって選ばれ、彼らは裁判に関連する証拠と証言を聴取し、最終的な判断を下す責任があります。

トランプ前大統領の裁判に関する一般市民の反応はどのようになっていますか？

一般市民の反応は多岐にわたりますが、トランプ前大統領の裁判は多くの人々にとって重要な出来事であり、彼らは裁判の結果に興味を寄せています。

トランプ前大統領の裁判において、証人喚問はどのように行われますか？

証人喚問は裁判官の監督の下で行われ、証言は陪審团に提示され、彼らが判断を下す際の重要な要素となる場合があります。

トランプ前大統領の裁判において、法律陣営はどのような戦略を採用していますか？

法律陣営はトランプ前大統領の無罪を主張し、裁判において有利な証拠と論点を提示する戦略を採用している可能性があります。

トランプ前大統領の裁判において、メディアはどのような役割を果たしていますか？

メディアは裁判の進展を報道し、市民に情報を提供する役割を果たしていますが、その一方で、裁判の公正性に影響を与える可能性のある誤解を招くような報道も行うことがあるため、注意が必要です。

Outlines

00:00

📘 ドナルド・トランプ氏のハッシュマニー裁判

ニューヨークでのドナルド・トランプ氏に関する刑事ハッシュマニー裁判が審判に。陪審团は裁判所からの説明を求める質問を裁判所に送り、審議を続ける予定。トランプ氏は裁判に対して非難し、裁判が「非常に汚染」と「詐欺的」であると主張。トランプ氏が無罪判決を得るかどうか、または審決を終わらない陪審团になるかどうかが焦点です。

05:04

🏛 ホワイトハウスからの新しい裁判所の戦略

トランプ氏の裁判に関する政治的影響について話す。トランプ氏が有罪判決を受けた場合の影響と、裁判が彼の選挙活動にどのように影響を与えるかについて議論。トランプ氏は裁判を批判し、ジョー・バイデン大統領を非難。一方、バイデン大統領はフィラデルフィアでの選挙活動を強化し、特に黒人選民の支持を集める取り組みを行っています。

10:06

🏢 サミュエル・アリーート大裁判官の裁判所での立場

サミュエル・アリーート大裁判官は、自宅周辺で議論の的になった2つの旗が掲げられたにもかかわらず、トランプ氏または1月6日に関する訴訟から回ることを拒否した。これは選挙や政治プロセスに影響を与える可能性があり、トランプ氏の選挙活動にどのように影響を与えるかが問われる。

15:07

📊 トランプ氏の裁判と選挙活動の関係性

トランプ氏の裁判が彼の選挙活動にどのように影響を与えるかについて分析。トランプ氏は裁判を利用して支持者を動員し、資金を集める可能性がある。また、裁判の結果にかかわらず、彼は選挙戦を有利に進めることができるとされている。

20:10

📈 テキサス州の選挙と政治的兆候

テキサス州の選挙結果とその政治的意義について語る。共和党の上院議長がトランプ氏支持の下で狭勝利し、その意味とトランプ氏の影響力について議論。一方、トランプ氏が支持していない候補者が勝利する例もあり、政治的傾向を読み取る複雑さを指摘。

25:10

🛡️ ロシアの制裁とウクライナへの支援

アメリカ合衆国財務省次官がウクライナ訪問中にロシアの制裁とウクライナへの経済支援について語った。制裁はロシアがウクライナ戦争に必要な武器を入手するのを阻止するのに効果的であるが、より多くの努力が必要なとされる。また、凍結されたロシアの資産をウクライナの復興に使う方法も検討中である。

30:13

🤝 アメリカと同盟国によるロシアへの圧力

アメリカ合衆国財務省次官は、ロシアの軍事産業複合体への素材提供を止めるため、同盟国と協力し、制裁を強化する意向を示した。また、ロシアが戦争を続けるために必要な財源を確保できないようにすることが重要な戦略であると強調された。

35:15

🕋️ イスラエルとハマスとの間の緊張

アメリカ合衆国国務長官がイスラエルによるラファフでの紛争とその影響について語った。45人のcivilianが犠牲になったと報道された攻撃について調査を求める声が上がっている。アメリカ政府はこの問題に関する立場を慎重に扱う必要があるとされている。

40:15

🏛️ 最高裁判所の中立性と信頼性

サミュエル・アリーート大裁判官がトランプ氏または1月6日に関する訴訟から回ることを拒否したことについて話す。これは裁判所の中立性と信頼性に対する懸念を呼び起こす。トランプ氏は裁判所を批判し、裁判所の決定が政治的にも影響を与える可能性がある。

🗳️ トランプ氏の選挙戦と裁判の結果

トランプ氏の選挙戦とハッシュマニー裁判の結果が彼の政治的状況にどのように影響を与えるかについて議論。トランプ氏は裁判を利用して支持者を動員し、資金を集める可能性がある。また、裁判の結果にかかわらず、彼は選挙戦を有利に進めることができるとされている。

Keywords

💡ハッシュマニー・トライアル

ハッシュマニー・トライアルは、ドナルド・トランプ前大統領が行ったとされる不正行為に関する刑事裁判を指します。このトライアルはビデオの主題であり、トランプが選挙に立候補する前に行ったとされる行為が問題とされています。ビデオでは、陪審団が審議を開始し、トランプが裁判に対して強い批判を表明している例が示されています。

💡陪審団

陪審団は、裁判所での重要な役割を果たす集団で、証拠を聴取し、一致同意で判断を下します。このビデオでは、トランプ前大統領のハッシュマニー・トライアルにおいて、陪審団が審議を開始し、その動向がメディアと観众に注目されています。

💡トランプ

ドナルド・トランプはアメリカ合衆国の元大統領で、ビデオの中心的な人物です。トランプはハッシュマニー・トライアルの被告として裁判にかけられており、ビデオの中で彼が裁判に対して憤りを感じている様子が示されています。

💡裁判所

裁判所は、法律に基づいて紛争を解決する場所です。ビデオでは、ニューヨークの裁判所がトランプ前大統領のハッシュマニー・トライアルの場となっています。裁判所での審議は、トランプの政治的影響力にも関わらず、法に基づいた手続きが行われていることを示しています。

💡証人尋問

証人尋問は、裁判手続きにおいて証人に対して証言を求める行為です。ビデオでは、陪審団からの質問が裁判所に送られたと報告されており、これは証人尋問の過程の一部です。この過程は、裁判の審理において重要な証拠を明らかにするのに役立ちます。

💡懸念

懸念は、ビデオの中で何度も言及される感情です。トランプ前大統領は裁判に対して懸念を表明しており、裁判が「腐败」と「不正」であると主張しています。また、裁判所の信頼性に関する懸念も議論の対象となっています。

💡政治的策略

政治的策略とは、政治的な目標を達成するために用いる計画や手段のことです。ビデオでは、トランプが裁判の結果にかかわらず、それを政治的策略として利用する可能性があると分析されています。これは、彼が支持者を動員し、資金を集める手段として裁判を利用する可能性があることを意味します。

💡選挙

選挙は、民主主義の核心であり、国民が政治的指導者を選ぶプロセスです。ビデオでは、トランプが選挙に関与する前に行ったとされる行為が裁判の焦点であり、選挙に関する彼の主張も議論されています。

💡裁判の結果

裁判の結果は、裁判の最終的な判断を意味します。ビデオでは、トランプ前大統領のハッシュマニー・トライアルの結果が待ち望まれている状況が示されており、その結果が政治的および法的な影響を及ぼす可能性について議論されています。

💡裁判所の信頼性

裁判所の信頼性は、裁判所が公正かつ中立であると信じられる程度です。ビデオでは、トランプ前大統領が裁判所を批判し、裁判所の信頼性に関する懸念がメディアで議論されています。また、裁判所の信頼性は、民主主義の健全性を測る重要な指標とされています。

Highlights

Donald Trump's criminal hush money trial in New York has entered deliberation phase with the jury.

Trump's reaction to the trial indicates he feels the charges are very corrupt and rigged, comparing the situation to even Mother Teresa not being able to beat these charges.

The jury sent notes back to the courtroom, inquiring about a 2015 meeting involving Trump, Michael Cohen, and David Pecker, which is considered the start of the alleged scheme.

Jurors also asked the judge to restate the charges against Trump, indicating they are carefully considering the details of the case.

Trump has publicly criticized the judge and the process, using his platform to declare the entire trial as rigged.

President Biden and Vice President Harris campaigned in Philadelphia to gather support from Black voters, with an emphasis on their administration's achievements.

Justice Samuel Alito announced he will not recuse himself from cases involving Trump or January 6, despite controversy over flags flown outside his home.

Political strategists discuss the potential impact of Trump's trial on his presidential campaign and the perception of the legal system among his supporters.

Deputy Treasury Secretary discusses the effectiveness of Russian sanctions and efforts to stop the flow of weapons to Russia amidst the ongoing war in Ukraine.

The德州congressional primaries results may indicate trends for the upcoming November elections, with some races being closely watched.

Discussion on whether a quick verdict in Trump's trial typically indicates a guilty verdict, and if that conventional wisdom holds in this unprecedented case.

Former Federal Prosecutor Michael Zeldin provides insight into the jury's notes and the potential outcomes of their deliberations.

Concerns raised about the public discussion of specific jurors' identities and the potential impact on the trial's integrity.

Analysis of the political implications of the Texas primaries and the strength of certain candidates in their respective races.

U.S. Deputy Treasury Secretary's visit to Ukraine and discussions on new tools to counteract Russia's ability to circumvent sanctions.

President Biden's message to Black voters in Philadelphia, emphasizing his commitment to appointing diverse federal judges.

Transcripts

>> FROM THE WORLD OF POLITICS TO THE WORLD OF BUSINESS, THIS

IS BALANCE OF POWER.

LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, D.C.

KAILEY: FROM BLOOMBERG WASHINGTON, D.C.

STUDIOS TO OUR TV AND RADIO AUDIENCES WORLDWIDE, WELCOME TO

BALANCE OF POWER. JOE: THE JURY IN DONALD TRUMP'S

CRIMINAL HUSH MONEY TRIAL IN NEW YORK WREPS DELIBERATIONS

FOR THE DAY. WE WILL HAVE AN UPDATE FROM THE

COURTHOUSE AND ANALYSIS FROM FORMER PHOTO PROSECUTOR MICHAEL

ZELDIN. KAILEY: WE GET HIS REACTION TO SAMUEL

ALITO ANNOUNCING HE WILL NOT RECUSE HIMSELF FROM CASES

INVOLVING TRUMP OR GENERATE SIXTH DESPITE CONCERNS OVER TWO

CONTROVERSIAL FLAGS FLOWN OUTSIDE HIS HOMES.

JOE: PRESIDENT BIDEN AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS CAMPAIGNING IN

PHILADELPHIA TRYING TO GATHER SUPPORT FROM LACK VOTERS.

WILL HAVE MORE ON THE -- FROM BLACK VOTERS.

WE WILL HAVE MORE ON THE STRATEGY FROM EMANUEL CLEAVER.

KAILEY, WELCOME BACK. A VERY IMPORTANT DAY AS A BIG

KNOWLEDGE WHAT HAS OCCURRED. THIS CASE WENT TO THE JURY.

CLOSING ARGUMENTS RESOLVED LATE LAST NIGHT.

THE JURY HAS GONE HOME FOR THE DAY.

NOW WE WAIT FOR A VERDICT THAT COULD COME ANY DAY FROM HERE.

KAILEY: DELIBERATION SET TO

CONTINUE. TOMORROW THESE 12 JURORS NEED

TO FIND UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS ON WHETHER DONALD TRUMP WILL BE

ACQUITTED OR CONVICTED OF THESE CRIMES OR END UP WITH A HUNG

JURY. DONALD TRUMP HAS MADE HIS FEELINGS WELL-KNOWN ABOUT THIS

CASE AND THE CHARGES AGAINST HIM AND DID SO TODAY AGAIN

OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE.

>> I WOULD SAY LISTENING TO THE CHARGES FROM THE JUDGE AS YOU

KNOW VERY CONFLICTED AND CORRUPT BECAUSE OF THE

CONFLICTION. VERY CORRUPT. MOTHER TERESA COULD NOT BEAT

THESE CHARGES. THESE CHARGES ARE RIGGED.

THE WHOLE THING IS RIGGED. JOE: INVOKING MOTHER THIS MORNING IN

COURT. THAT IS WHERE WE GO NOW WITH

DAVID GURA OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE IN LOWER MANHATTAN.

THANKS FOR BEING THERE FOR US. THE JURY HAS BEEN ASKING

QUESTIONS TODAY. A COUPLE NOTES HAVE ALREADY

BEEN SENT BACK TO THE COURTROOM. ONE SPECIFICALLY THAT BRINGS US

BACK TO AN IMPORTANT MEETING IN 2015 INVOLVING DONALD TRUMP,

MICHAEL COHEN AND DAVID PECKER OF THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER.

WHAT IS IT THEY ARE ASKING ABOUT?

>> SO WHENEVER THIS HAPPENS, WHENEVER THE JURY HAS A NOTE,

ELECTRICITY GOES THROUGH THE PRESS CORPS.

THE MEETING THAT TOOK PLACE IN 2015 AND IT IS IN THE EYES OF

THE PROSECUTION WHEN THE SCHEME BEGAN IN EARNEST. THERE WAS THE

MEETING AMONG THE THREE PRINCIPLES AND OVER THE COURSE

OF THE TRIAL WE HAVE HEARD TESTIMONY FROM MICHAEL COHEN

AND DAVID PECKER ABOUT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING.

OF THE COME UP WITH THE SCHEME TO SUPPRESS STORIES THAT WOULD

BE NEGATIVE TO DONALD TRUMP. WHAT WE MIGHT INFER FROM THE

NOTE COMING FROM THE JURY AS THEY ARE INTERESTED IN HOW ALL

OF THIS WAS HATCHED. HOW IT CAME ABOUT.

AND MIGHT WANT TO CONTRAST HOW THE STORY WAS TOLD BY DAVID

PECKE OF THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER AND MICHAEL COHENR WHO WAS SUCH

A CLOSE CONFIDENT OF THEN CANDIDATE DONALD TRUMP.

THERE WAS QUESTION ABOUT KAREN MCDOUGAL AND WHETHER NATIONAL

ENQUIRER CITED NOT TO BURY STORIES ABOUT HER IN SIMILAR

FASHION. THERE WAS A SECOND NOTE BEFORE

THE JURORS WERE DISMISSED ASKING THE JUDGE TO RESTATE THE

CHARGES HE ENUMERATED THIS MORNING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE MAKE OF THAT.

THE JURY CONVENED THIS MORNING AROUND 10:00.

A LITTLE LATER BECAUSE OF THE LATE NIGHT YOU MENTIONED A

MOMENT AGO. THE JUDGE SPENT AN HOUR GOING

THROUGH EACH OF THOSE 34 CHARGES.

FALSIFYING DOCUMENTS AND FURTHERANCE OF ANOTHER CRIME.

TOOK A LOT OF TIME NOT DOING ON THE EVIDENCE BUT DWELLING ON

THE LAW. JERRY SAYING THEY WANT TO HEAR

THE CHARGES AGAIN. THAT IS WHERE BEGIN TOMORROW IS

THE JUDGE SITTING WITH THE JURY GOING FOR THE CHARGES ONCE

AGAIN. SYSTEMATICALLY IN DETAIL BEFORE

THEY GO TO DELIBERATE FURTHER ABOUT THE CHARGES THAT PHASE

DONALD TRUMP. KAILEY: WE WILL PLAY THE WAITING GAME

AGAIN TOMORROW. DAVID GURA OUTSIDE THE

COURTHOUSE. DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN POSTING

TO TRUTH SOCIAL THROUGHOUT THE DAY ROLLING AGAINST PRESIDENT

BIDEN, ROBERT DE NIRO WHO WAS AT THE COURTHOUSE YESTERDAY AND

REPEATEDLY CLAIMING ELECTION INTERFERENCE.

WE GO TO GREGORY CORTI RUNNING US IN STUDIO.

WE HAVE HEARD THIS FROM HIM TIME AND AGAIN THIS IS RIGGED.

FALSELY ACCUSING JOE BIDEN OF ORCHESTRATING THIS WHOLE THING.

THIS INTO HIS POLITICAL STRATEGY.

HE IS ACTIVELY RUNNING A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD AS TO WHETHER OR NOT

HE IS GOING TO END UP HAVING TO CAMPAIGN AS A COVETED FELON.

>> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR MONTHS.

WE ARE GETTING NEAR THE POINT OF AN HISTORIC MOMENT OF A

FORMER PRESIDENT BEING HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR ACTIONS HE TOOK

BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED TO OFFICE PAIRED THE PROSECUTION CONTENDS

THIS WAS ABOUT HIM GETTING ELECTED TO OFFICE.

THIS WAS A COVER ABOVE INFORMATION HE DID NOT WITH THE

PUBLIC TO KNOW WITHOUT WHICH PROSECUTORS SAY HE MIGHT NOT

HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

WE ARE COMING UP ON THIS MOMENT AND THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT

ISSUES. THERE IS THE LEGAL ISSUE WHETHER HE IS GOING TO BE

CONVICTED. THAT COULD HAPPEN OR NOT HAPPEN.

AND WHAT IS THE POLITICAL IMPACT OF THAT?

WHEN WE ASKED IN OUR BLOOMBERG NEWS WHOLE -- BLOOMBERG NEWS

PULL, FOR 2% SAID THEY COULD NOT SEE THEMSELVES VOTING FOR

TRUMP IF YOU WAS CONVICTED.

TRUMP HAS HAD THIS WHOLE TRIAL, HAS BEEN REALLY AGAINST THE

JUDGE, REALLY AGAINST THE PROCESS AND TRYING TO SOFTEN

THE GROUND FOR WHAT COULD BE A VERDICT AGAINST HIM. JOE:

IT IS THE CAMPAIGN'S JOB TO MODEL DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

SURELY THEY HAVE MAPPED OUT SOME OF THE VARIOUS WAYS THIS

TRIAL COULD TURN OUT. EITHER WAY DONALD TRUMP IS VERY

GOOD AT SPINNING THINGS TO HIS BENEFIT WHEN THERE IS A MOMENT

WHETHER IT IS GOOD OR BAD NEWS. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO HEAR FROM

HIM OR SEE HIM DO WHEN THIS VERDICT FINALLY IS DELIVERED?

GREGORY: I THINK TODAY WAS A PREVIEW.

HE SAID EVEN MOTHER TERESA COULD NOT BEAT THESE CHARGES.

THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF TRUMPIAN HYPERBOLE.

IT'S ADJUST TO ME HE IS BRACING HIMSELF FOR THE WORST OF

POSSIBLE OUTCOMES THERE IS. A LEGAL PROCESS AND A POLITICAL

PROCESS. WE CAN EXPECT HIM TO APPEAL IF

HE IS CONVICTED WITH AT LEAST ONE OF THESE CHARGES.

POLITICALLY HE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO ACCUSE JOE BIDEN OF

BEING BEHIND ALL OF THIS. HE SAYS JOE BIDEN IS NOT

COMPETENT ENOUGH TO RUN THE COUNTRY BUT HE IS COMPETENT

ENOUGH TO RUN THIS CONSPIRACY MULTI PROMPT EFFORT TO GET HIM

CONVICTED ON SOMETHING. IT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE

AN ISSUE FROM HERE UNTIL NOVEMBER. JOE:

WE WILL KEEP TABS ON THIS FOR YOU. WHEN THERE IS A VERDICT YOU

WILL HERE LIVE ON BLOOMBERG TV AND RADIO.

GREGORY KORTE, WE THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.

PRESIDENT BIDEN TRAVELED TO PHILADELPHIA LEAVING THE BUBBLE

TO MAKE HIS CASE TO BLACK VOTERS.

A BLOCK THAT DONALD TRUMP IS BEGINNING GROUND WITH.

HE HAD VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS WITH HIM.

NE-YO MALIKA HENDERSON IS WITH US FOR MORE ON THIS.

AS WE TRY TO FIGURE THE CAMPAIGN, THE BUDDY CAMPAIGNS

ISSUE TO THIS ANSWER HERE. WE ARE HEARING TALK OF A NEW

NETWORK THE PRESIDENT TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER AND HE IS GOING

BACK TO PHILADELPHIA, THE STATE THAT HAS BEEN SO GOOD TO HIM.

IT WAS A WHO'S WHO WITH HIM ON THE TRAIL INCLUDING WES MOORE,

THE GOVERNOR OF MARYLAND. IS THIS THE BEST WAY FOR HIM TO

SPEND HIS TIME WHILE HIS RIVAL IS IN COURT?

>> THEY CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE THE CONTRAST. PARTICULARLY WHEN

IT COMES TO BLACK VOTERS, IT IS NOT A QUESTION OF WHETHER TRUMP

IS GOING TO WIN BLACK VOTERS. IT IS A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH HE

EATS INTO THE TRADITIONAL SUPPORT PRESIDENT BIDEN AND

OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE HAD WITH BLACK VOTERS.

IS HE GOING TO BE 85% OR 75% OR 95%?

IF YOU ARE JOE BIDEN, YOU WANT TO GET THAT UP TO 95% AND YOU

HAVE TO FOCUS ON AREAS LIKE PHILADELPHIA, HE WAS THERE A

WEEK AGO OR SO. MOREHOUSE COLLEGE AS WELL.

AND TAKING THE MESSAGE TO THESE VOTERS WITH FOLKS LIKE, HARRIS

AND WES MOORE. IN PARTICULAR IN THIS EVENT HE

TALKED ABOUT A PROMISE AROUND ELECTING PROGRESSIVE JUDGES TO

THE SUPREME COURT. I'M NOT SURE THAT IS A MESSAGE

THAT RESONATES WITH AVERAGE BLACK VOTERS COME AVERAGE

VOTERS IN PARTICULAR. MOST VOTERS ARE CARING ABOUT

THE PRICE OF A GALLON OF MILK AT THE PIGGLY WIGGLY AND A

DOZEN EGGS THOSE ARE THE KIND OF MESSAGES THAT ARE GOING TO

DO BETTER WITH AVERAGE VOTERS PARTICULARLY BLACK VOTERS.

EDUCATION, THAT IS IMPORTANT TO BLACK VOTERS AS WELL WHICH IS

CONNECTED TO ANY PRICES IN TERMS OF HEALTH CARE AND

CLOSING THE RACIAL WEALTH GAP. I HAVE BEEN IN SOME WAYS

CRITICAL OF THE WAYS THEY HAVE TRIED TO COURT LACK VOTERS.

-- COURT BLACK VOTERS THEY NEED TO GO BEYOND THE TRADITIONAL

BARBERSHOP AND BEAUTY SALON APPROACHES.

I THINK THIS ONE, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THIS IS A

GREAT IDEA WITH THIS MESSAGE AROUND THE SUPREME COURT.

THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS AND THEY NEED ALL HANDS

ON DECK. THEY HAD WES MOORE THERE.

NEED SOMEBODY LIKE JASMINE CROCKETT WHO IS THIS YOUNG KIND

OF FEISTY CONGRESSWOMEN WHO WENT HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH MARJORIE

TAYLOR GREENE. THEY HAVE SOME GROUND TO MAKE

UP. KAILEY: MAYBE THE PROGRESSIVE SUPREME

COURT HE HAS PROMISING IS NOT GOING TO BE HIS STRONGEST

SELLING POINT BUT I WONDER IF IT BECOMES MORE SO IN CONTRAST

TO NEWS LIKE WE GOT TODAY. JUSTICE SAMUEL ALITO SAYING

DESPITE THE CONTROVERSY OVER THESE TWO FLAGS AFFILIATED WITH

JANUARY 6 RIOTERS AT THE CAPITOL THAT WERE FLYING OVER

HIS HOME, HE WILL NOT BE ACCUSING HIMSELF FROM ANY CASE

NOT JUST RELATED TO JANUARY 6 BUT DONALD TRUMP.

DOES THAT NOT RESONATE WITH VOTERS?

>> I THINK AVERAGE VOTERS ARE NOT DIALED INTO THAT LEVEL OF

NEWS WHEN IT COMES TO THE SUPREME COURT.

FOR DEMOCRATIC VOTERS IN GENERAL, ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE

SUPREME COURT HAVE NOT ALWAYS WORKED ANYWAY.

I THINK IT IS A HARD SELL. IT IS A COUPLE LAYERS DOWN IN

TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE THINK ABOUT POLITICS IN THEIR DAY-TO-DAY

LIVES. PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH HOW TO

PAY THEIR BILLS. DO THEY WANT TO BUY A HOUSE?

CAN THEY AFFORD THEIR HOUSE, A NEW HOUSE GIVEN THE MORTGAGE

RATES? IT IS A LITTLE IMPRACTICAL.

YOU HAVE TO MEET VOTERS WHERE THEY LIVE AND I'M NOT SURE

TALKING ABOUT A PROGRESSIVE SUPREME COURT IS WHERE THEY

LIVE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WORD

AGGRESSIVE MEANS. I'M NOT SAYING -- WORD

PROGRESSIVE MEANS. NOTHING BLACK FOLKS IN

PARTICULAR. I'M SAYING AVERAGE VOTERS DON'T

HAVE A HANDLE ON WHAT THESE WORDS MEAN.

I THINK THEY HAVE TO PUT IT AT A MORE BASIC LEVEL FOR ALL

VOTERS. NOT JUST AFRICAN-AMERICAN

VOTERS. KAILEY: DRAWING US FROM BLOOMBERG

OPINION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WILL HAVE MORE EXPERT

ANALYSIS OF WHAT HAPPENED TODAY IN COURT AS THE JURY GOT THE

CASE IN TERMS HUSH MONEY TRIAL. FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR

MICHAEL ZELDIN BE WITH US ON BALANCE OF POWER ON BLOOMBERG

TV AND RADIO.

>> THE COMMON WISDOM HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT A QUICK VERDICT IS

USUALLY A GUILTY VERDICT IN THE LONGER IT GOES ON, MORE LIKELY

IT IS GOING TO BE EITHER A HUNG JURY OR AN ACQUITTAL.

HERE, I THINK THAT CONVENTIONAL WISDOM MAY NOT HOLD BECAUSE THE

CASE ITSELF NO MATTER WHO THE DEFENDANT IS IS ONE THAT HAS A

LOT OF MOVING PARTS. THE JURY IS GOING TO WANT TO

TAKE THEIR TIME AND BE THE LIBERTY OF ABOUT IT, BUT THESE

ARE HUMAN BEINGS WHO KNOW THAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH AN

HISTORIC TRULY MOMENTOUS AND UNPRECEDENTED SITUATION. KAILEY:

THAT WAS ELIZABETH WONDER,

PRESIDENT OF THE CONSTITUTION CENTER.

THE JURY BEGAN TO LIBERATION SUCH DONALD TRUMP'S HUSH MONEY

TRIAL. LET'S TURN TO FORMER PROSECUTOR

MICHAEL ZELDIN FOR MORE. WE GOT A FEW NOTES FROM THE

JURY THIS AFTERNOON AFTER SEVERAL HOURS OF DELIBERATING.

THEY WANTED TO SEE TESTIMONY FROM MICHAEL COHEN AND DAVID

PACKER REGARDING THE 2015 EATING AT TRUMP TOWER WHERE THE

CONSPIRACY WAS ALLEGEDLY HATCHED.

THEY WANTED TO BE RETOLD THE INSTRUCTIONS FROM JUDGE MERCHAN.

HOW TELLING IS IT, THOSE NOTES THAT THEY SENT?

>> IT SHOWS YOU FOR ONE THAT THEY ARE THINKING.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THEY JUST REACTED TO VISCERALLY.

IT TELLS YOU TWO, THAT THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH THE EVIDENCE.

THEY ARE STARTING WITH THE BEGINNING OF THE CONSPIRACY AS

ALLEGED BY THE PROSECUTION AND SORTING OUT WHAT THEY CAN ABOUT

DID IT HAPPEN THE WAY PROSECUTORS SAY OR DIDN'T

HAPPEN THE WAY DEFENSE ATTORNEYS SAY?

IT IS A DANGEROUS PROPOSITION TO READ TOO MUCH INTO A NOTE

BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DYNAMIC IN THAT ROOM IS, WHAT

COMPELLED THE NOTE TO BE SENT THROUGH. JOE:

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE? SIGNIFICANCE OF THE MOMENT? ?

WE HAVE SPOKEN?

ABOUT SO MUCH WRINKLE AND EACH DETAIL OF THIS TRIAL BUT IF WE

BACK UP A COUPLE HOURS TO EARLIER TODAY, WE SAW SOMETHING

WE HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. THE CRIMINAL CASE AGAINST A

FORMER PRESIDENT GOING TO THE JURY. THE FACT THIS IS UNCHARTED

MEANS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PREDICT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.

HOW ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS POTENTIALLY IN

LOWER MANHATTAN? MICHAEL: LIKE EVERYONE IN AMERICA WITH

YOUR PRO OR CON DONALD TRUMP, WITH ANXIETY.

YOU WANT TO THE SYSTEM TO WORK. YOU WANT THERE TO BE A VERDICT

ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. YOU DON'T WANT A HUNG JURY.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY OUR DEMOCRACY AND OUR JURY SYSTEM

WORKED THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED TO WORK.

THE OUTCOME IS THE OUTCOME BUT THE PROCESS IS THE MOST

IMPORTANT THING AND I'M WATCHING TO MAKE SURE IT IS

DONE AS APPROPRIATELY AS IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE LAW AND

THE CONSTITUTION. KAILEY:

WHAT IS REQUIRED IS FOR THE JURY TO HAVE ITS FINDINGS BE

UNANIMOUS WHETHER IT IS FOR ACQUITTAL OR CONVICTION.

HOW LIKELY IS IT IN YOUR MIND WE ACTUALLY END UP WITH ONE OF

THOSE DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS ON ALL , ON SOME OF THE CHARGES?

MICHAEL: THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE JURY ROOM BUT WE DO KNOW

THIS. OVER THE COURSE OF TO THE LIBERATIONS IF THERE IS A SPLIT

IN THE JURY THAT SEEMS NOT EASILY RECONCILED, THE COURT

WILL ISSUE THEM AN INSTRUCTION THAT SAYS YOU MUST REACH A

VERDICT. NOBODY IS BETTER THAN YOU TO

REACH THIS VERDICT. DON'T MAKE THE DEFENDANT SIT

THROUGH ANOTHER TRIAL. REALLY BUCKLE DOWN AND COME TO

A CONCLUSION. THE ALLEN CHARGE AS THEY CALL

IT IS THE PUSH THE JUDGE MAKES TO SAY YOU GUYS CAN DO THIS.

IF IT COMES TO THAT, WE WILL SEE WHETHER THE ALLEN CHARGE

WHICH IS USUALLY OUTCOME DETERMINATIVE OF A VERDICT

MAKES A HUNG JURY MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF A VERDICT ONE WAY

OR THE OTHER. JOE: DOES IT BOTHER YOU THAT WE ARE

SEEING REPORTING ABOUT SPECIFIC JURORS, THERE'S APPARENTLY A

JUROR ON THE PANEL AND I WILL NOT SAY THE NUMBER AS THE NEW

YORK TIMES DID EARLIER TODAY WHO MIGHT BE A TRUMP FAN FOR

INSTANCE. WE ARE HEARING MORE SPECIFICS

THAN THE JUDGE WOULD PROBABLY WANT US TO HEAR WHEN THEIR

IDENTITIES ARE BEING KEPT FROM THE PUBLIC.

AS SOMEBODY WHO MAKES A LIVING IN COURT, HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU

THIS IS BEING TALKED ABOUT OPENLY? MICHAEL:

THERE IS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR DRIVER WHO

ANSWERED THE JURY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THEY GET THEIR

INFORMATION AND ONE OF THEM SAID HE GETS IT OR SHE GETS IT

I FORGET BOTH FROM TRUTH SOCIAL AND THEY FOLLOW MICHAEL COHEN.

THEY DID NOT TALK ABOUT NEWSPAPERS OR OTHER MEDIA

OUTLETS. EVER ONE IS JUMPING TO CONCLUSION BECAUSE THEY

FOLLOWED TRUMP ON TRUTH SOCIAL IT MUST MEAN THAT THEY ARE AN

ACOLYTE. I DON'T THINK THAT IS TRUE.

IF YOU ASKED EVERYBODY IN YOUR NEWSROOM YOU FOLLOWED TRUMP ON

TRUTH SOCIAL, THEY WOULD SAY IT IS PART OF MY JOB.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT IS THE UNDERLYING REASON FOR

FOLLOWING TRUTH SOCIAL BUT THEY ALSO FOLLOW MICHAEL COHEN.

I THINK ONE HAS TO REMAIN AGNOSTIC ABOUT THIS AND BE

HOPEFUL TO THE PROCESS POINT I MADE THAT THE JURY FOLLOWS THE

JUDGE'S INSTRUCTION AND RENDERS A VERDICT ON THE EVIDENCE

PRESENTED IN THE COURTROOM AND NOT ANYTHING THAT PRECEDED IT

OR IN THE OZONE AROUND DONALD TRUMP OTHERWISE. KAILEY:

SPEAKING OF DONALD TRUMP'S KIND OF ZONE IF YOU WILL, HE IS

DEALING WITH A MULTITUDE OF CRIMINAL CASES.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS CASE WE ARE DISCUSSING NOW THAT

IS IN TRIAL AND THE OTHERS IS THAT IT IS MOVING FORWARD.

THE OTHERS ARE NOT INCLUDING THE ONE IN WASHINGTON BROUGHT

BY JACK SMITH RELATED TO 2020 ELECTION SUBVERSION.

THAT IS AWAITING A RULING FROM THE SUPREME COURT AROUND DONALD

TRUMP'S CLAIM OF PRESIDENTIAL. . IMMUNITY IN THAT CASE WE

UNDERSTAND JUSTICE SAMUEL ALITO

DISPLAY CONCERNS ABOUT FLAGS AFFILIATED WITH JANUARY 6 THE

RIOTERS FLOWN OVER HIS HOME WILL NOT BE RECUSING HIMSELF

MANY CASE INVOLVING DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP TRUTH SOCIAL

CONGRATULATED HIM FOR THAT SAYING JUSTICE ALITO DESERVES

CONGRATULATIONS FOR SHOWING THE INTELLIGENCE, COURAGE AND GUTS

TO REFUSE STEPPING ASIDE. WHAT DOES HIS REFUSAL TO STEP

ASIDE TELL YOU AND HOW DO YOU READ TRUMP'S REACTION TO IT?

KAILEY: YOU EXPECT TRUMP TO BE HAPPY

ABOUT THIS JUST AS HE HAS CRITICIZED EVERY JUDGE THAT HAS

HELD ANY OF HIS CASES EXCEPT EILEEN CANNON, THE JURORS IN

FLORIDA THAT SEEMS TO BE DELAYING HIS CASE INDEFINITELY.

ANYONE ON TRUMP TEAM WILL GET IS PRAISE.

ANYONE WHO IS NOT WILL GET HIS SCORN.

I THINK THIS SHOWS A TERRIBLE DEATH YEAR POLITICALLY BY

JUSTICE ALITO. THE SUPREME COURT IS IN THE

MOST LOW REGARD IN ITS RECENT HISTORY.

IT IS FOR REASONS LIKE THIS THAT IT IS.

HERE IS ALITO, HIS FIRST REACTION IS IT IS MY WIFE'S

FAULT. YOU ARE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.

THAT CANNOT HOLD WATER. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF

EVEN IF HE DOES NOT HAVE A TECHNICAL OBLIGATION TO DO SO

TO DO SO IN THE INTEREST OF REPUTATION AND THE INTEGRITY OF

THE COURT AS VIEWED BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

I THINK IT IS A MISTAKE ON HIS PART BUT HE DOES NOT SEEM TO

CARE. JOE: LIMNING THE WIFE HAS BEEN A

POPULAR STRATEGY LATELY IN WASHINGTON.

THANKS FOR BEING WITH US ON THIS DAY ONE OF DELIBERATIONS.

COMING UP, A LOOK AT THE RESULTS OF YESTERDAY'S TEXAS

CONGRESSIONAL PRIMARIES AND HOW THEY MIGHT BE THE ROADMAP FOR

WHAT WE CAN EXPECT IN NOVEMBER. IT IS COMING UP NEXT ON BALANCE

OF POWER ON BLOOMBERG TV AND RADIO.

KAILEY: THIS IS BALANCE OF POWER ON

BLOOMBERG TV AND RADIO. YESTERDAY WAS PRIMARY DAY IN

TEXAS AND THERE WERE A FEW CONTENTIOUS SEATS WE WERE

WATCHING INCLUDING THAT OF REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN TONY

GONZALES WHO BARELY WON A RUNOFF AGAINST GUN RIGHTS

YOUTUBER BRENDAN HERRERA. TRULY, HE DID WIN BUT ONLY BY A

COUPLE HUNDRED VOTES. IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY A

LANDSLIDE. WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE

STRENGTH OF CONGRESSMAN GONZALEZ'S POSITION?

>> CONGRESSMAN GONZALEZ IS IN A SWING DISTRICT TO BEGIN WITH SO

HE SURVIVED THIS PRIMARY CHALLENGE SO NOW HE HAS GOT TO

MOVE FORWARD IN A RACE THAT WILL BE EXPENSIVE FOR HIM

BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH IN THIS DISTRICT

FOR A LONG TIME. CONGRESSMAN WILL HURD FLIPPED

THIS DISTRICT SIX YEARS AGO SO ALL ALONG THIS HAS BEEN VIEWED

AS A DISTRICT THAT IS DIFFICULT FOR REPUBLICANS TO HOLD ONTO

BUT RIGHT NOW IT DOES SWING IN THE REPUBLICANS DIRECTION GOING

IN. ANY SEAT IS IMPORTANT FOR BOTH

REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS WITH THE MAJORITY AS SLIM AS IT IS.

JOE: YOU KNOW HOW JOURNALISTS ARE

HERE AND POLITICAL ANALYSTS. EVERYONE WANTS TO WRITE A TREND

STORY TO CONNECT THE DOTS AND SAY SOMETHING BIGGER IS

HAPPENING. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE GONZALEZ

RACE HERE WHICH BY THE WAY, 400 POINTS SEPARATING THEM.

THE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF TEXAS SURVIVED A

NARROW PRIMARY CHALLENGE FROM A TRUMP SUPPORTED CANDIDATE.

WE KEEP SEEING HEADLINES TODAY THAT TRUMP HAD A BAD NIGHT IN

TEXAS YOU HAVE BEEN BLOWING HOLES IN THE CONVENTIONAL

WISDOM ALL DAY WHEN YOU START LOOKING FURTHER INTO THE RACES,

SPECIFICALLY IN THE STATEHOUSE. WHAT DO YOU SEE?

>> YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE WINNING HIS

PRIMARY. THIS WAS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE

AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF HEAVY HITTERS WEIGHING IN ON THIS AND

DONATING TO IT TIERED IN THAT RESPECT, THIS WAS NOT A WIN FOR

DONALD TRUMP BUT LET'S TALK -- LET'S LOOK DOWN THE BALLOT.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF REPUBLICAN INCUMBENTS THAT LOST YESTERDAY.

THAT LOST THEIR RACES THAT WERE BACKED.

THE REPUBLICAN INCUMBENTS THAT LOST THEIR RACES LOST THEIR

RACES TO OPPONENTS THAT WERE BACKED BY BOTH DONALD TRUMP AND

WERE ALSO BACKED BY KEN PAXTON. AS YOU REMEMBER, THE REPUBLICAN

SENATE DID VOTE TO IMPEACH HIM. HE DID LOSE -- THE FORMER

PRESIDENT DID LOSE WHEN IT CAME

TODAY TO FEEL IN BUT HE WON IN OTHER RACES.

THE LEGISLATURE MOVES FURTHER RIGHT. JOE:

THAT IS AWFULLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR VIEWERS AND LISTENERS TO

KNOW. TRULY FINE -- JULIE FINE, WE

JOE: THIS IS BALANCE OF POWER ON BLOOMBERG TV AND RADIO.

THANKS FOR JOINING US. EARLIER TODAY I SPOKE WITH THE

U.S. DEPUTY TREASURY SECRETARY ON

HIS FIRST TRIP TO UKRAINE WHERE HE IS TALKING WITH OFFICIALS

ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF RUSSIAN SANCTIONS AND RUSSIA'S

ABILITY TO ACQUIRE WEAPONS FOR THE WAR IN UKRAINE.

IRAIDA SIRENS WERE BLARING IN KYIV MOMENTS BEFORE WE SPOKE

ABOUT THE MOOD ON THE GROUND.

>> THE MOOD IN THE CAPITAL IS ONE OF URGENCY IN TERMS OF

DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO DEFEND THEIR COUNTRY.

I HAVE BEEN IMPRESSED BY THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN HERE IN

UKRAINE AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE COMMITTED TO FIGHTING FOR

THEIR FREEDOM AND DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO BUILD AN

ECONOMY AND TO BUILD A FREE AND DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY.

I'M HERE BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES WANT TO BE THEIR PARTNER

IN DOING EXACTLY THAT AND IN ADDITION TO TALKING ABOUT

SANCTIONS I'VE BEEN ABLE TO TALK ABOUT OUR ECONOMIC SUPPORT

AND THE WAYS WE CAN MAKE SURE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES AND

PARTNERS STAND WITH THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN OF UKRAINE. JOE:

YOU SAID YESTERDAY ON YOUR TOUR IN KYIV AN UNACCEPTABLE AMOUNT

OF WEAPONS COMPONENTS ARE STILL GETTING INTO RUSSIA.

THERE IS A SENTIMENT SANCTIONS ARE SIMPLY NOT WORKING.

AS THE TREASURY'S POINT MAN ON SANCTIONS, DOES YOUR TRIP

CONFIRM THAT?

>> MY TRIP CONFIRMS WE NEED TO DO MORE TO MAKE SURE OUR

SANCTIONS CONTINUE TO STOP RUSSIA FROM BEING ABLE TO GET

THE GOODS THEY NEED TO BUILD THE WEAPONS THEY WANT.

WHAT WE KNOW AS THE CRIMINAL HAS CHARGE THEIR INTELLIGENCE

SERVICES WITH TRYING TO GET AROUND OUR SANCTIONS AND WE ARE

CONCERNED RUSSIA IS GETTING ACCESS TO KEY COMPONENT PARTS

PARTICULARLY FROM CHINA AND OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE

ALLOWING THEM TO BUILD THESE WEAPONS.

WHAT I'M HERE TO DO IN KYIV IS TALK TO MY COUNTERPARTS ABOUT

THE NEW TOOLS WE ARE CONSIDERING TO TRY TO GO AFTER

THE ABILITY OF THE KREMLIN TO DO THAT.

FUNDAMENTALLY, WE CANNOT DO THIS ALONE.

WE NEED TO DO IT WITH OUR ALLIES AND PARTNERS AND THAT IS

WHEN PETTING FROM HERE TO GERMANY TO GIVE A SPEECH AND

TALK TO MY GERMAN COUNTERPARTS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF US

ACTING TOGETHER TO STOP COMPONENTS FROM GETTING TO

RUSSIA. JOE: WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT

SPEECH FROM BERLIN. WILL YOU ANNOUNCE SECONDARY

SANCTIONS AGAINST THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE

COMPONENTS GETTING INTO RUSSIAN WEAPONS?

>> I'M NOT GOING TO PREVIEW ANY ACTIONS WE ARE GOING TO TAKE

BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT

THE NINE STATES AND OUR ALLIES AND PARTNERS ARE GOING TO BE

OPEN TO SANCTIONING ANY COMPANY OR INDIVIDUALS THAT PROVIDE

MATERIAL SUPPORT TO RUSSIA'S MILITARY INDUSTRIALIZED COMPLEX

BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE RUSSIA DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO

THE GOODS THEY NEED TO FIGHT THE WAR THEY WERE ONE IN

UKRAINE. JOE: I KNOW THERE ARE A FEW

COMPONENTS TO THIS THAT ALSO INCLUDE UNLOCKING MONEY FROM

FROZEN RUSSIAN ASSETS. I KNOW TREASURY SECRETARY

YELLEN IS WORKING ON THIS RIGHT NOW WITH OUR G-7 ALLIES TO USE

THOSE PROCEEDS FOR UKRAINE. WHEN YOU CAN KYIV PLAN TO GET

THAT MONEY -- WHEN CAN KYIV PLAN TO GET THAT MONEY?

>> IT IS IMPORTANT TO GIVE PEOPLE CONTEXT.

WHEN THE WAR STARTED, THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES AND

PARTNERS IMMOBILIZED $285 BILLION OF RUSSIAN ASSETS

AROUND THE WAR. A WAR CHEST THEY HAD SET UP FOR

THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION SO THEY COULD USE THAT TO CONDUCT

THE WAR. NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO

UNLOCK THOSE ASSETS. COLLECTIVELY OVER 200 BILLION

ARE IN THE G7. OUR COUNTRIES ARE WORKING

TOGETHER TO THINK ABOUT WAYS WE CAN UNLOCK THE VALUE OF THAT

FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.

SECRETARY YELLEN. AT THE G7 FINEST MINISTRY WILL

WORK WITH COUNTERPARTS TO SET UP A NUMBER OF OPTIONS THAT

WILL BE GIVEN TO LEADERS WERE GOING TO ME IN JUNE AND WE LOOK

FORWARD TO THOSE LEADERS GIVING US POLITICAL DIRECTION IN TERMS

OF HOW WE CAN UNLOCK THAT VALUE SO WE CAN GET MONEY TO UKRAINE

SO THEY CAN INVEST THAT MONEY IN REBUILDING THE

INFRASTRUCTURE THE RUSSIANS DESTROYED IN DEFENDING THEIR

COUNTRY. JOE: TALKING ABOUT RECOVERY AND

REBUILDING, YOU SPENT TIME EARLIER TODAY AT A ROUNDTABLE

AT KYIV'S SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS. WHAT WAS YOUR MESSAGE TO THE

ROOM?

>> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR ME WAS HOW THE ROUNDTABLE

STARTED AND IT STARTED WITH THEM GIVING ME A TOUR OF THEIR

BOMB SHELTERS BECAUSE TODAY FOR ALMOST EVERY SCHOOL THAT

OPERATES ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A

BOMB SHELTER WHICH IS UNACCEPTABLE THAT YOUNG PEOPLE

HAVE TO LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE THEIR EDUCATION IS CONDITIONED

ON THE IDEA OF HAVING ACCESS TO THOSE SHELTERS.

THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE WERE FOCUSED ON HELPING TO THINK THROUGH TWO

THINGS. ONE, HOW SANCTIONS CAN BE USED

TO SLOW DOWN RUSSIA'S ABILITY TO BUILD THE WEAPONS THEY WANT

BUT ALSO ON HOW THEY CAN BUILD A SUCCESSFUL ECONOMY HERE IN

UKRAINE. I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THEM

ABOUT THE THINGS THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES AND PARTNERS

ARE DOING TO SUPPORT THEM IN BOTH OF THOSE EFFORTS AND IT

WAS IMPRESSIVE TO SEE THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE FOCUSED ON

THESE ISSUES AND KNOWING THAT OVER TIME THOSE SAME YOUNG

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE GROWTH OF

THE ECONOMY IN UKRAINE AND THE GROWTH OF THEIR DEMOCRACY. JOE:

WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT SANCTIONS WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT OIL. .

IT DOES SEEM PHASE TWO OF THE OIL PRICE CAP DOES NOT SEEM TO

BE COSTING MOSCOW THE EXTENT TO WHICH IT WAS EXPECTED TO.

HOW CAN THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT GET TO THIS?

>> I THINK THE KEY WORD YOU SAID WAS COST. OFTEN TIMES WHEN

WE FOCUS IN THE PRICE CAP, WE FOCUS ON THE REVENUE SIDE AND

THE COST OF A BARREL OF -- THE REALITY IS RUSSIA'S COST WENT

UP SIGNIFICANTLY DUE TO THE PRICE CAPTURED BEFORE THE PRICE

CAP, LARGELY RUSSIA WAS SELLING OIL TO CHEAP PLACES AND USING

THE G7 SERVICES TO DO SO. TODAY THE COST OF SELLING

RUSSIAN OIL HAS GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE

TO BUY NEW TANKERS BECAUSE WE WENT AFTER SOME OF THE TANKERS

THEY ARE SHIPPING THE OIL IN PAIRED THEY HAVE HAD TO BUILD

UP THEIR OWN ECOSYSTEM WHICH HAS BEEN MORE EXPENSIVE.

OUR GOAL HAS BEEN IN ORDER TO ENSURE WE -- WE INCREASE

RUSSIA'S COST SO THAT ULTIMATELY THEY HAVE LESS

INCOME TO GIVE TO THE KREMLIN TO FIGHT THIS WAR.

WHAT THE KREMLIN IS PROVING JUST EVERY DAY IS THEY ARE

INDIFFERENT AS TO REVENUE. THERE FOCUSED ALMOST

EXCLUSIVELY ON BUILDING A WARTIME ECONOMY AND THE BEST

SYMBOL OF THIS IS THE FACT WHEN PRESIDENT PRUNED REPLACED HIS

DEFENSE MINISTER HE REPLACED IT WITH AN ECONOMIC OFFICIAL WHO

IS GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY

PRODUCES ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY WHICH IS WEAPONS

THAT WILL HELP SUPPORT THIS WAR AND OUR GOAL HAS TO BE THEY

DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD THESE WEAPONS. JOE:

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SANCTIONS AND RUSSIA'S ECONOMY IN KYIV,

THAT IS WHY WE ARE TOGETHER HERE. IT WAS SOME TIME AGO U.S.

SANCTIONS WERE SUPPOSED TO GRIND RUSSIA'S ECONOMY TO A

HALT. WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT HAPPEN AT

LEAST IN THE WAYS IT WAS ATTENDED.

WILL THE TOOLS YOU ARE WILLING UP THIS WEEK IN UKRAINE AND

GERMANY FINISH THE JOB?

>> IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE MEASURE

SUCCESS WHEN IT COMES TO SANCTIONS.

THE WAY WE MEASURE THAT IS ON RUSSIA'S ABILITY TO GET ACCESS

TO THE GOODS THEY NEED TO FIGHT THE WAR THEY WANT.

FROM OUR STANDPOINT THE KEY THING WE HAVE TO DO IS GO AFTER

THE COMPANIES AND INDIVIDUALS WERE PROVIDING THEM WITH THOSE

GOODS. THAT IS THE WAY WE ARE GOING TO

JUDGE OUR SUCCESS IS A RUSSIA HAS FEWER WEAPONS TO FIGHT

THEIR WAR IN UKRAINE AND WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE UKRAINIANS WITH

THE GOODS AND MILITARY EQUIPMENT THEY NEED TO DEFEND

THEMSELVES. JOE: THAT WAS JOE'S CONVERSATION

WITH THE U.S. DEPUTY TREASURY SECRETARY

EARLIER TODAY. COMING UP, WE WILL TURN FROM

GEOPOLITICS BACK TO DOMESTIC POLITICS AS PRESIDENT BIDEN AND

VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS JOIN FORCES FOR A EVENT IN

PHILADELPHIA MAKING A CONCERTED EFFORT TO COURT THE BLACK VOTE.

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>> BECAUSE YOU VOTED, I WAS ABLE TO KEEP MY COMMITMENT TO

APPOINT THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME

COURT JUSTICE KETANJI BROWN JACKSON.

A PROMISE MADE AND A PROMISE KEPT AN EYE APPOINTED MORE

BLACK WOMEN TO THE FEDERAL CIRCUIT COURTS THAN ANY OTHER

PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY COMBINED. EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT

COMBINED. THE NEXT PRESIDENT, THEY ARE

GOING TO BE ABLE TO APPOINT A COUPLE JUSTICES. KAILEY:

THAT WAS PRESIDENT BIDEN EARLIER TODAY AT A RALLY IN

PHILADELPHIA WHERE VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS JOINED HIM IN

AN EFFORT TO HELP COURT THE BLACK VOTE.

JOINING US WITH MORE IS OUR POLITICAL PANEL.

GREAT TO HAVE YOU BOTH AROUND THE TABLE.

HE BROUGHT A MESSAGE TO PHILADELPHIA ABOUT APPOINTING

OR HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPOINT MORE PROGRESSIVES ON

THE SUPREME COURT. IS THAT THE WINNING STRATEGY?

IS THAT THE WINNING ISSUE WITH HIM WITH A BASE OF VOTERS HE IS

SEE DRIFTING AWAY FROM HIM? ALVIN: IT IS ONE OF THEM.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER.

THROUGHOUT THE SEGMENT OF THE BLACK VOTER AS IT WERE THAT

PRESIDENT BIDEN IS TRYING TO PULL IN, THERE ARE SO MANY KEY

ISSUES THAT DIFFER AS YOU KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PLETHORA OF

VIEWPOINTS THAT MAKE UP THE VOTING BODY.

HE HAS TO HIT ALL OF THESE THINGS AS HE POPS UP ON COLLEGE

CAMPUSES.

AS HE GOES INTO PLANTS AND FACTORIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

HE HAS TO SAY ALL OF THESE THINGS.

I THINK THAT IS MORE TO THE POINT OF THE PR BATTLE THE LAST

COUPLE YEARS HAVE PLAYED WHICH IS PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN SOME

OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE GONE THEIR WAY OR THEY HAD AS A WISH

LIST. FOUR YEARS AGO AND I THINK IT IS A BIT OF A REMINDER

FOR SOME AND ALSO DROWNING OUT SOME OF THE NOISE TO THE

CONTRARY. HE HAS TO SAY ALL THE THINGS ON

THE LIST AT EVERY STOP. JOE: THIS IS WORKING FOR YOU.

I'M STRUCK BY THE RHETORIC BECAUSE IT IS SO BETWEEN THE

EYES. HERE IS THIS 80 SOMETHING-YEAR-OLD WHITE MAN AT

THE PODIUM TODAY SAYING BLACK VOTERS PLACED ENORMOUS FAITH IN

ME SAYING THIS IS WHAT GOT HIM INVOLVED IN POLITICS TO BEGIN

WITH. SOMETIMES THINGS NEED TO BE

SAID OUT LOUD. IS THAT WHAT WE ARE LEARNING?

ALVIN: I THINK HE IS IN A POSITION AND

THE POLLING HAS LIGHTED A FIRE OR MAYBE I HAVE NOT LED WITH

THE RIGHT THINGS I HAVE DONE BASED ON WHERE WE WERE AND WHAT

GOT US HERE. HIS COMING OUT STRONG SOUNDING

STRONG SAYING AND REITERATING SOME OF THESE THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW IT IS AS EARLY HOPING TO SWAY BUT IT IS UNDER

THAN THE ALTERNATIVE WHICH I FEEL LIKE HAS BEEN A BIT OF THE

MONTHS LEADING UP TO WHERE WE AREN'T NOW -- WHERE WE ARE NOW

ON THE TRAIL. JOE: HE WAS NOT THERE ALONE. KAILEY:

-- HE WAS NOT THERE ALONE. HE BROUGHT THE VICE PRESIDENT

WITH HIM. THERE HAS BEEN MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT HER

POPULARITY IMPROVING. SHE HAS NOT BEEN THE MOST

POPULAR VICE PRESIDENT THROUGHOUT THIS TERM THUS FAR.

IS THERE A WAY SHE CAN BE STRATEGICALLY USED THAT WOULD

BE MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE CAMPAIGN? ARE WE SEEING THAT IN

REAL-TIME? LISA:

HER PATHWAY HAS BEEN SO ROCKY AND HER RECORD OF LENDING

MESSAGES AND LANDING SPEECHES AND IDENTIFYING WITH AUDIENCES

HAS NOT BEEN AS STRONG AS I THINK IT WAS EXPECTED SHE WOULD

BE. SIX MONTHS IS A SHORT TIME FOR

HER TO WIN PEOPLE OVER BUT CERTAINLY YES COME ENGAGING

MORE, HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS IS A GREAT WAY TO

GET STARTED. JOE: IT IS NOT JUST DEMOGRAPHICS.

IT IS ISSUES AND WE HAVE SEEN THE ISSUE OF ISRAELI POLICY,

U.S. POLICY IN ISRAEL GRIND DOWN CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHICS.

HE IS SPEAKING TO THEM TODAY. ANTONY BLINKEN TALKED ABOUT THE

ISRAELI STRIKE IN RAFAH. IT HAS BEEN VERY CONTROVERSIAL

SINCE THE WEEKEND KILLING SOME 45 PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS.

GOT INTO THIS IN NEWS CONFERENCE EARLIER TODAY IN

MOLDOVA.

>> WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH ISRAEL ON THE IMPERATIVES IN

THIS INSTANCE AS IN OTHER INSTANCES TO IMMEDIATELY

INVESTIGATE AND DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY

IT HAPPENED. IF ACCOUNTABILITY IS NECESSARY

TO MAKE SURE THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY. JOE:

THE WHITE HOUSE IS HEARING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT REDLINES

RIGHT NOW AFTER PRESIDENT BIDEN MADE THAT CLEAR WHEN IT COMES

TO THE INVASION OF RAFAH. HAS THE LINE BEEN CROSSED?

IS THE ADMINISTRATION CREDIBLE ON THIS? LISA:

THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S WORDS ARE LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM

WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE WHITE HOUSE YESTERDAY.

THE WHITE HOUSE SAID THIS WAS NOT A REDLINE.

IT STRIKES ME HE HAS TAKEN A DIFFERENT TACT AND A DIFFERENT

TONE BECAUSE I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING PEOPLE ARE FEELING

LIKE THE LINE HAD BEEN DROWNED. WE HAD NOT WANTED TO SEE

ANYTHING HAPPEN IN RAFAH. NOT ONLY DID IT HAPPEN BUT 45

NSA WOMEN AND CHILDREN WERE LOST IN WHAT WAS PERCEIVED TO

BE AN ERROR. THAT IS NOT OK.

WE -- THE STRIKES ME AS A CHANGE IN TONE FROM THE

ADMINISTRATION EVEN FROM WHAT WE HEARD YESTERDAY.

THEY ARE RECALCULATING, RECONFIGURING. KAILEY:

WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THESE 45 CIVILIANS WHO WERE KILLED IN

RECENT DAYS IS ONLY ADDED TO A TALLY.

THE NUMBERS IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THOSE KILLED SINCE

2000 -- SINCE OCTOBER 7. SO MUCH DAMAGE POLITICALLY HAS

BEEN DONE OVER THIS ISSUE. ESPECIALLY IF WE DON'T SEE A

DRAMATIC CHANGE IN POLICY, IS IT GOING TO BE TOO LATE FOR HIM

TO RIGHT THE SHIP ON THIS IN TERMS OF HIS REELECTION EFFORT?

ALVIN: I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER THE DRAMATIC STEP PEOPLE WOULD NEED

OR LOOK FOR HIM TO DELIVER IS GOING TO HAPPEN ESPECIALLY

WITHIN THAT STRETCH OF TIME. IF THIS IS NOT A REDLINE, I

WOULD NOT LOOK FOR THERE TO BE SOME SWEEPING OR LARGE HAMMER

FOR THE ADMINISTRATION -- KAILEY:

IF THIS IS NOT A REDLINE, DO WE BELIEVE THE REDLINE EXISTS?

ALVIN: AMERICA SUPPORTS ISRAEL AND

THAT IS THE WAY IT WILL BE AT LEAST SEEMINGLY FOR THE

FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW GIVEN THE LIPSERVICE AND THE THEATER

AROUND IT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL GET MUCH PAST THAT.

I THINK THAT WILL STAY TRUE IN OUR ACTIONS THAT WILL BE

DIFFERENT FROM OUR WORDS. JOE: ISRAEL SAYS TODAY THIS COULD

TAKE SEVEN MORE MONTHS TO COMPLETE THE WAR AGAINST HAMAS.

SEVEN MONTHS. THE WORST NEWS JOE BIDEN GOT

TODAY? LISA: I THINK SO.

REGARDLESS OF EVERY OTHER ISSUE IS THE ISSUE PEOPLE ARE GOING

TO TALK ABOUT THE MOST AND THEY TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE IS

A YOUNGER GENERATION THAT MAYBE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND OUR STANCE

IN ISRAEL. JOE BIDEN IS THE FORMER CHAIR

OF THE FOREIGN SERVICES COMMITTEE.

HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN DIPLOMATIC -- FOR HIS ENTIRE

CAREER HE UNDERSTANDS THIS FUNDAMENTALLY MORE THAN ANYONE

ELSE. THAT DRAWS THE LINE BETWEEN HE

BEING IN HIS 80'S AND THE VOTER AND ELECTORATE THAT ARE UNHAPPY

ARE ONES THAT ARE NOWHERE NEAR THAT AGE RANGE.

IT IS WHAT -- IT ONCE AGAIN REMINDS PEOPLE HE HAS BEEN

AROUND A VERY LONG TIME AND DOES THAT INGRATIATE THEM TO

HIM OR DO THEY SAY MAYBE HE IS OUT OF TOUCH? JOE:

NOT TO MENTION HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH BENJAMIN NETANYAHU.

COMING UP, WE WILL HAVE MUCH MORE WITH OUR PANEL AS WE BREAK

DOWN THE FIRST DAY OF JURY DELIBERATIONS IN THE HISTORIC

HUSH MONEY CASE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.

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>> I WOULD SAY LISTENING TO THE CHARGES FROM THE JUDGE WHICH AS

YOU KNOW IS VERY CONFLICTED AND CORRUPT BECAUSE OF THE

CONFLICTION, VERY CORRUPT. MOTHER THERESA COULD NOT BEAT

THESE CHARGES. THESE CHARGES ARE RIGGED.

THE WHOLE THING IS RAKED. JOE:

DONALD TRUMP, THE FORMER PRESIDENT, EARLIER TODAY

ENTERING COURT AHEAD OF DAY ONE OF JURY DELIBERATIONS IN HIS

CRIMINAL HUSH MONEY TRIAL. THOSE DELIBERATIONS HAVE ENDED

FOR TODAY AND WILL BE BACK TO IT TOMORROW.

GET INTO IT WITH OUR POLITICAL PANEL.

FROM AREN'T SEEKING MEDICATIONS DIRECTOR ALONG WITH ELVIN

JORDAN, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST. GREAT TO HAVE YOU BOTH WITH US.

COMPARED HIMSELF TO MOTHER TERESA TODAY.

NOT NELSON MANDELA THIS TIME. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE SOMEONE

WHO IS PREPARING FOR BAD NEWS? LISA:

THE ANSWER IS YES. BUT ALSO I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS.

I THINK HE IS GOING TO DO EVERYTHING TO CREATE A

CIRCUMSTANCE AROUND HIMSELF THAT INVOLVES ALTERNATIVE FACTS

SHOULD HE HAS DONE EVERYTHING

IN HIS POWER TO CREATE A LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN THE VERY

INSTITUTIONS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THAT TO ME IS A

PROBLEM. THAT IS A COMES THE TWO GENERAL

CRISIS WE ARE LIVING IN. NOT ONLY THE FACT HE IS SAYING

THE COURTS ARE RIGGED AND THE SYSTEM IS RAKED.

IT IS CAUSING DOUBT IN THE SUN -- THE MINDS OF PEOPLE WHO

COUNT ON THOSE CIRCUMSTANCE AND FOUNDATIONS TO BE STABLE AND

STEADY IN THE UNITED STATES. KAILEY:

I WONDER IF THE RHETORIC AROUND IT CHANGES IF HE TURNS OUT TO

BE ACQUITTED OF THESE CRIMES WITH WHICH HE IS CHARGED

WHETHER OR NOT THE SYSTEM PERHAPS GETS HIS FAITH AGAIN IN

THAT INSTANCE. I WONDER IF THAT SPEAKS TO THE

IDEA HE COULD REACT POSITIVELY EITHER WAY.

IF HE IS ACQUITTED, THERE GOES THE CHANCE OF HAVING TO SPEND

TIME IN JAIL FOR EXAMPLE BUT IF HE IS CONVICTED, THERE IS MORE

AMMUNITION TO FIRE UP YOUR BASE AND RAISE MONEY.

IS THIS A WIN-WIN? ALVIN: THAT IS KIND OF THE LEVERAGE

WHICH HE PLAYS FROM. THAT IS I THINK PART OF THE

SUCCESS HE IS ABLE TO GARNER FROM IT.

IT IS LIKE A GOOD RAPPER. HE LEAVES YOU WITH THE

PUNCHLINE YOU CAN PUT IN AS YOUR CAPTIONED.

HE IS LIKE MOTHER THERESA COULD NOT BEAT THESE CHARGES.

YOU HEAR IT QUICKLY FROM HIS BASE AND FROM HIS SUPPORTERS.

MOTHER TERESA COULD NOT -- IT IS JUST IMMEDIATELY.

FROM OF THE FIRST DAY HE WAS IN MANHATTAN AND DOING HIS

POSTGAME ANALYSIS ON THE TRIAL, I THINK IT HAS ONLY CREATED THE

ECHO CHAMBER OF HIS SOUNDBITES AND TALKING POINTS THAT HELP

SUPPORT HIM NO MATTER WHICH WAY IT GOES. JOE:

ARE WE ESTABLISHING WITH OUR PANEL OF THAT THE FIRST

CRIMINAL TRIAL OF A FORMER PRESIDENT IS A WIN-WIN

POLITICALLY? DO YOU AGREE? LISA: YES I DO.

ALVIN: JUST TO JUMP IN, I HEARD NIKKI

HALEY COME IN WITH AN ENDORSEMENT.

I THOUGHT WHEN I LISTEN TO HER AND IN IOWA EARLIER THIS YEAR I

THOUGHT I WOULD NEVER HEAR. OF COURSE HERE WE GO.

SHE ENDORSES TRUMP TO SAY IT CANNOT BE ABIDE IN BECAUSE HE

HAS BEEN SO AWFUL. IF WE ARE AT THIS POINT, I

THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND GO WHO KNEW THAT I

GUESS WE ALL DID IT WOULD BE A WIN-WIN REGARDLESS. JOE:

HE IS HOPING JACK SMITH SCHEDULES A TRIAL. KAILEY:

I WONDER IF THE ONE THING THAT COULD BE A LOSING SCENARIO IS

YOU LOSE A BUNCH OF FREE EARNED MEDIA AND THAT GOES AWAY AS

SOON AS THIS THING IS OVER. LISA:

YES TO THAT POINT BUT ALSO TOO, THIS IS A RACE BETWEEN

TRADITIONAL CAMPAIGNING AND 2024 CAMPAIGNING.

YOU ARE SITTING AND STANDING IN A COURTHOUSE WITH LAW

ENFORCEMENT STEADY BEHIND YOU SING THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS RIGGED

AND YOU ARE WINNING IN THE POLLS.

THAT IS OLD-SCHOOL CAMPAIGNS VERSUS TODAY.

THAT TO ME IS -- THE WORLD IS UPSIDE DOWN SHOULD JOE:

WHY WAS ROBERT DE NIRO SHOWING UP? LISA:LISA:

I LOVE ME SOME ROBERT DE NIRO AND THEY LOVE HIM IN LOWER

MANHATTAN AND TRIBECA. I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE TONE

AND TENOR. THE WORDS HE SAID WERE VERY

GOOD. BUT HE ALSO IS AN OCTOGENARIAN

AND SHARING THE SAME SPACE AS THE OTHER GUYS IN THE RACE FOR

PRESIDENT. KAILEY: WE HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE

COURT AND IN NEW YORK. WE HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT.

THE HIGHEST COURT, THE SUPREME COURT AND JUSTICE SAMUEL ALITO

SAYING HE WILL NOT BE RECUSING HIMSELF FROM ANY CASES

INVOLVING DONALD TRUMP OR JANUARY 6.

WHAT IS THAT DO TO THE CONFIDENCE IN THE COURT AS A

INSTITUTION? ALVIN:

GIVEN WHERE WE HAVE COME WITH OVERTURNING MAJOR KEYSTONE

RULINGS, I THINK IT FURTHERS WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

THIS -- MAYBE IF THIS WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO, IF THIS WAS 12 YEARS

AGO, HE WOULD BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUT

YOU DON'T. HE IS STANDING ON THAT AND I

THINK AMERICA WILL WATCH THE NEWS CYCLE PUSH IT DOWN AND

LOOK UP AND WONDER HOW WE GOT THERE. .

IT IS BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH OUTRAGE WHEN HE SAID HE

WOULD NOT. IN THAT WAY, YOU CANNOT BE TOO

SURPRISED. KAILEY:

ALVIN JORDAN AND LISA KAMUSO MILLER. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

TO CATCH UP ON EVERYTHING YOU MISSED THROUGHOUT THE DAY, BE

SURE TO CHECK OUT THE WASHINGTON ADDITION NEWSLETTER.

JOE: TOMORROW COULD BE A BIG DAY.

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