TAP Group Co-Founder and Executive Chairman, Arif P. Rachmat
Summary
TLDRこのビデオスクリプトでは、アジアの農業ニーズに対処し、効率化と価値の最大化を目指す方法について議論されています。特に、小規模農家に対する支援の重要性と、彼らが直面する融資の難しさ、そしてそれに伴う複雑な問題が焦点とされています。スクリプトでは、「包括的クローズドループモデル」が提案され、民間企業、政府、市民社会の3要素が協力して農業の持続可能性を高める方法が語られています。また、デジタル技術の活用や、環境保護と農業の結びつきについても触れられています。
Takeaways
- 🌾 亚洲农业需求的视角:讨论了如何提高亚洲农业效率和价值。
- 👩🌾 农民作为农业的主要参与者:强调了农民在农业中的核心作用以及提高小农生产能力的重要性。
- 💼 金融机构的角色:指出金融机构在农业融资中的关键作用以及小农被认为不可银行化的挑战。
- 🌐 三螺旋模型:介绍了公私合作模式,包括私人、公共和民间社会三个要素的合作。
- 🔄 包容性闭环飞轮模型:提出了一个整合小农、企业和其他利益相关者的农业发展模式。
- 💡 政府的激励措施:讨论了政府在提供低利率贷款和其他激励措施中的作用。
- 🌱 农业多样化:强调了避免单一作物种植,推动农业多样化的重要性。
- 🌿 环境可持续性:讨论了农业实践对环境的影响,以及如何通过包容性闭环模型来解决这些问题。
- 📈 农业技术初创企业的作用:强调了农业技术在提高农业生产力和供应链效率中的重要性。
- 🤝 合作与领导:讨论了通过合作和领导力推动农业发展和实现可持续发展目标的重要性。
- 🌍 G20和B20议程:提到了印尼在G20和B20中的领导作用,以及推动包容性闭环模型作为国际运动的潜力。
Q & A
アジアの農業ニーズをどのように効率的かつ価値あるものにすることができましたか?
-アジアの農業ニーズを効率的かつ価値あるものにするために、小規模農家への能力開発を通じた包括的なアプローチを見つけることが重要だと思われます。また、金融機関の役割も重要で、農民の生産性が低い主な原因の一つは資金調の不足ですが、その背後にある複雑な問題にも目を向けることが求められます。
小規模農家が銀行から見ればなぜ「銀行化不可能な存在」と考えられるのでしょうか?
-小規模農家が銀行から見れば「銀行化不可能な存在」と思われるのは、彼らが抱える多くのリスクや課題があるためです。例えば、気候による問題や、農業投入物の品質の問題、収穫後の販売先の確保、資金繰りの困難などが挙げられます。
インドネシアの持続可能な農業のための「包括的クローズドループ型モデル」とは何ですか?
-「包括的クローズドループ型モデル」とは、民間企業、公的機関、市民社会の3つの要素が協力し、小規模農家を含む全ての関係者を巻き込みながら、産業の成長と農家への支援を行います。このモデルでは、産業のリード企業が融資などの支援を行い、農家と密接に連携して生産プロセス全体をサポートします。
PEACE AGROの目的は何ですか?また、どのような目標を設定していますか?
-PEACE AGROの目的は、農民の生産性を20%向上させることで、貧困率と二酸化炭素排出量も20%削減することです。彼らは11の農業商品をカバーし、100万以上の農民に至るまで成長しており、2023年までに200万を目指しています。
持続可能性の観点から、農業モデルにおける重要な要素は何ですか?
-持続可能性の観点では、環境保護、社会影響、経済的な成果という3つの主要な問題を解決する包括的クローズドループモデルが重要です。農業モデルは、農民の生活改善だけでなく、環境保護にも貢献する必要があります。
農民の行動を変えるために、どのようなインセンティブが必要ですか?
-農民の行動を変えるためには、彼らが新しい方法が環境に優しく、自己にも利益があることを理解する必要があります。例えば、土地を開けるために焼却を行わないようにする代わりに、養鶏や養魚などの代替手段を提供し、それには適切なインセンティブや資金支援が必要となります。
G20とB20の議題では、特に何を推進する予定ですか?
-G20とB20では、特に包括性、健康保障、技術の移転、持続可能な農業モデルの推進などを議題に据えています。また、包括的クローズドループモデルを国際的な運動として推進し、包括性プラEDGEを設立することを目指しています。
デジタル技術は農業モデルにどのように影響を与えますか?
-デジタル技術は農業の生産性向上やサプライチェーンの効率化に役立ちます。例えば、IoT技術を用いた養魚業の自動飼育システムは、飼料の無駄を省きながら生産効率を高めることができます。
農業における協調的な取り組みがバラバラにならないためには、どのようなアプローチが必要ですか?
-協調的な取り組みがバラバラにならないためには、個々の組織がより大きな使命のために協力するという精神が必要です。また、プラットフォーム間の協力や情報共有を通じて、包括的なアプローチを促進することが重要です。
ESGのメッセージをビジネスリーダーがどのように受け止め、実践していくでしょうか?
-ビジネスリーダーは、持続可能性、社会貢献、経済的な成果という3つの重要な要素をバランス良く追求し、自社のビジネスモデルにESGの原則を取り入れていくことが求められます。G20やB20の議題を通じて、これらの原則をさらに推進し、ビジネスコミュニティ全体で共有される価値観として確立することが期待されています。
Outlines
🌾 農業の持続可能性と小規模農家への支援
この段落では、アジアの農業ニーズに対処し、農業を効率的かつ価値あるものにするためのアプローチが議論されています。小規模農家への支援と能力向上、そして金融機関による彼らへの融資の難しさに対する見解が共有されています。また、農業における複雑な問題に対する包括的なアプローチの重要性が強調されています。
💼 金融機関と農業の持続可能性モデル
この段落では、金融機関が小規模農家を「銀行化不可能な存在」と見なす理由について議論しています。小規模農家が直面する様々な課題や「クローズド・ループ・フライホイールモデル」という解決策が紹介されています。このモデルは、民間企業、政府、市民社会の3つの要素を組み合わせることで、小規模農家を支援することを目的としています。
🌱 持続可能な農業の推進とPEACEアグロの役割
この段落では、PEACEアグロがインドネシアの持続可能な農業を推進する取り組みについて紹介されています。PEACEアグロは、農民の生産性と生活水準を向上させることで、貧困と二酸化炭素排出量を25%削減することを目指しています。また、環境保護と持続可能な開発目標(SDGs)との関連性も触れられています。
📊 G20とB20の議題およびビジネスの役割
この段落では、G20とB20の議題、特にビジネスが持続可能性(ESG)を推進する役割について議論されています。特に、B20の貿易と投資タスクフォースが、技術の移転、健康保障、包括性、地域社会の支援など、多様な課題に取り組むことを示しています。また、PEACEアグロの取り組みが、国際的な運動に拡大されることを期待しています。
📈 農業におけるデジタル化と技術の進歩
この段落では、デジタル技術が農業の生産性と供給チェーンの効率化にどのように役立つかが議論されています。特に、アグリテックのスタートアップが、農民の生活を改善し、金融サービスを提供する新しいモデルを創出していることについて焦点が当てられています。また、デジタル技術を通じて、包括的なクローズドループモデルがより強力になることが示されています。
🤝 協力と包括性モデルの普及
最後の段落では、協力と包括性モデルの普及がビジネスリーダーシップとG20/B20の議題として重要視されていることが強調されています。成功は、モデルの採用と実践によるものであり、ビジネスリーダーシップによるモデルの推進と、他のビジネスリーダーへの影響力が重要です。
Mindmap
Keywords
💡農業
💡小規模農家
💡包括的クローズドループモデル
💡融資
💡持続可能な農業
💡PEACEアグロ
💡環境保護
💡デジタル化
💡アグリテック
💡ESG
Highlights
Pacquiao Reef discusses the importance of a holistic approach to improve the lives of smallholder farmers through capacity building.
The main root cause of low farmer productivity is identified as a lack of financing, but it's suggested there are deeper, complex issues.
Smallholders are perceived as unbankable due to various challenges including climate issues and lack of buyers post-harvest.
The 'inclusive closed-loop flywheel model' is introduced as a solution involving private, public, and civil society collaboration.
Nucleus plasma scheme explained, where the nucleus guarantees financing for smallholder farmers.
Government incentives and low-interest rates have historically played a role in supporting the palm oil industry.
Diversification of agriculture is emphasized over monoculture, with unique challenges in each sector.
The 'inclusive closed loop model' is promoted as a way to address environmental, social, and governance (ESG) issues.
The role of corporates in changing farmer behavior through incentives and seed capital for alternative livelihoods.
Alignment between commercial imperatives and sustainability goals is discussed, with examples from the palm oil industry.
The importance of government involvement as a game changer in agricultural development and financing.
The potential of digital technology and agri-tech startups in revolutionizing agriculture and addressing supply chain inefficiencies.
The significance of integrating different parts of the value chain using technology for an explosive breakthrough in agriculture.
The need for collaboration and avoiding siloed efforts in order to create a unified approach to agricultural challenges.
The role of financial institutions in supporting the inclusive closed loop model and the importance of the corporate nucleus.
The importance of business leaders taking on the ESG message and acting on it within their companies, especially in the context of the G20 and B20.
Success is defined as the mass adoption of the closed loop model, with measurable outcomes and continued implementation.
Transcripts
[Music]
pacquiao reef it's great to see you
thanks so much for participating in this
activity thank you pate moore it's
really glad i'm really glad to be here
thank you for having me when we're
looking at the perspective of how to
deal with asia's agricultural needs and
make them as efficient and as valuable
as possible what's holding us up here
okay if we think about the world of
agriculture
obviously farmers are the main actors
without farmers there are no
a group of agriculture
so i firmly believe
it is my conviction that we need to find
a holistic approach into
improving the lives of the smallholders
through a capacity building
now the other main actors in the world
of agriculture are the financial
institutions
and we know for the most part that one
of the main root causes
of farmer's low productivity is because
of lack of financing
but i believe it is only the tip of the
iceberg you need to look underneath and
it is a complex issue
so the first question is why do you
think that financial institutions
perceive smallholders as unbankable so
we're starting at the tip first yes or
should we start at the bottom of the ice
no i like to because people know that uh
always make a comment that there's you
know the farmers are unbankable you know
so i we need to understand why what is
the case
because once you that's a good starting
point when you dig deeper you'll find a
lot more issues
so when you look underneath uh as a
farmer i think they go through this
journey where there are a lot of
landmines you know for example climate
issues
from droughts to floods and stuff
and then also the farming inputs
sometimes they're substandard sometimes
they're fraudulent even
and then they don't have once they have
harvested
then they don't have buyers to buy it
and all those this compounded by the
fact that
they at times bet their house literally
to loan sharks because of lack of
financing right so anytime they step on
any of these landmines
it's game over for them the this this
perception yeah the the the farmer is
unbankable is to a certain extent valid
yeah right
where is the the best way of approaching
that issue is it to change the farmers
behavior or is it to change the model of
the lender to try and accommodate the
realities of the farmer in peace agro or
partnership for indonesia's sustainable
agriculture we actually have a triple
helix model of collaboration of the
three elements the private public and
the civil societies and we believe that
we have at least one possibility of the
answers we call this the inclusive
closed-loop
flywheel model
conclusive close loop flywheel
so nucleus i don't know if you're
familiar with it but nucleus is the
corporate-like industrialization of
plantation and plasma are the
smallholders own
and so the secret sauce really relies on
the relationship of this into
institution
how integrated are they
in the palm oil sector under this
nucleus plasma scheme the nucleus is
actually
uh have to guarantee the financing this
goes back to our financing question for
this plasma so the nucleus is the lead
actor exactly they're willing to foot up
the bill if anything goes wrong because
the closed integration is for the entire
cycle from planting or development all
the way to production all the way
through planting so this close
collaboration that's why we're calling
it the closest loop inclusive of msmes
micro small medium enterprises so that
is the really secret sauce of this whole
thing but just describe what that
nucleus consists of i mean where does
that money come from is that credit from
the government is that direct loans is
that so uh of course there's an
evolution from the 1980s to today today
the industry is so well off that
everybody already have capital but in
the past there was incentive by the
government
that the the interest rate was very low
so
those kind of things actually government
intervention is very important
but the palm oil industry now is
becoming
a really
almost like a monoculture and we want to
have it diversified right and when you
look at sector by sector they all have
different unique challenges but i still
believe that if you implement this
secret sauce the inclusive close loop
model
you will have this flywheel effect
that
uh that palm oil has seen in the lab so
what you're saying is that
this closed-loop model over 40 years has
demonstrated that we can build an
ecosystem of smallholder farmers
with all their disparate needs and
conditions and unite them with various
aspects of the value chain various
aspects of of activity in their field
bring them finance to the extent they
need and create
as you say a flywheel something that
that generates ongoing momentum and
provides them with success and lifts
them out of poverty exactly and why is
it that this successful model
is confined just to one industry because
we keep talking about how the problem is
scale the problem is replication the
problem is
getting everybody on board on a model
that works and everyone says there is no
model why is this not being used
elsewhere this inclusive closed loop is
something that we are
actually promoting under peace aggro so
partnership for indonesia's middle
agriculture
if you allow me
i'll describe it a little bit
so peace agro
is
started more than a decade ago from an
initiative by the world economic forum
at that time the it was called the new
vision for agriculture
and it's cascaded to indonesia to the
region by the name of group asia and
then to indonesia a space agro so we
have actually 25 strong members
composed of industry players government
as well as civil society now the goal of
peace agro is to improve productivity of
farmers by 20
thereby reducing uh poverty by 20 and
carbon admission by 20
and we have reached
over a million farmers across 11
agriculture commodities so this is not
only in palm
and we have the goal of 2 million by
2023 which is next year and we're very
confident we will surpass that
everyone you've spoken of has been
particularly in the commercial sector
where do we get in the sustainability
elements where do we get in the aspects
of carbon reduction where do we get in
the social impact elements into all of
this this is the great thing about this
inclusive cluster model because i truly
believe it is one solution that resolved
three main issues the triple piece
people planet and purpose
so it goes beyond just rural community
welfare
because
one of the root causes of let's say
forest fire in indonesia is when during
el nino or long drought
farmers open their land by burning
during normal season will be fine but
during a long drought
that's recipe for disaster so if you
provide
incentive or alternatives for
the rural community to not open the land
by burning but instead you know poultry
breeding or aquaculture production that
require much less land mass
then we will have a much better
environmental protection so i truly
believe that this inclusive close loop
will address the e part of the esg the
environmental side part
you have this situation where
you're trying to impart the information
that you're talking to and convince a
lot of farmers that they should behave
somewhat differently to the way perhaps
culturally instinctively historically
they have behaved how do you do that i
mean
informing them that there is a better
way that is better for the environment
makes sense on paper does it make sense
to the farmer and how do you actually
make the action happen it's the la first
of all
as a company it has to come from the top
right as the owner or the chairman or
the ceo whoever it is you have to ensure
that this view of the triple piece or
the esg must be a holistic approach
right from that your management team
actually have to spend a lot of touch
points
with the
people living in the village to make
sure that they see this i mean that does
mindset change at multiple for sure very
hard and you have to create again
incentive and this incentive to change
people's behavior so for example you
if you if they don't open their land by
burning there's some
uh monetary
reward by doing so but that's not enough
they still have to live from somewhere
so you need to give them seed capital to
have other entrepreneurship within the
within the community so these are the
kind of programs that we're trying to do
and again one of the contradictions is
once again between the commercial
imperatives and the sustainability the
sdg the carbon reduction imperatives
these are not necessarily always aligned
but i beg to differ i feel that it
actually it's it's
it's not completely a trade-off i
completely believe it's actually part of
the same solution so even in my palm oil
industry my primal company my ambition
is to have conservation
force
bigger than my palm plantation
why because i truly believe that
consumer behaviors as well as
the political will of governments
worldwide have now really
drive the demand for carbon offsets and
problem pricing and this is actually
aligned with what our
government is trying to push as well
indonesia is one of the few lungs left
in the world
we want to
[Music]
institute a global
uh carbon exchange hub
and i think it's a really uh uh
something that we have to commend
and with the g20 that as a host country
this year actually this is one of our
legacy events
and the other thing that i would like to
point out is i'm really happy that our
government
is using the
unsdgs the 17 sdgs as the gold standard
to which
esg are being measured
let's let's talk about the g20 agenda
you're you're gonna you're i mean you're
in charge of the trade and investment
element of the b20 right alongside the
g20 yeah what's the agenda you're going
to put forward there i mean how do you
think you can bring together the
businesses in this region particularly
to work together to achieve the kind of
goals we're talking about yeah
so i think within the trade and
investment task force there are three
elements one is resiliency in the health
security sense so we want to make sure
that there's transfer of technology for
the country to have vaccination and
essential medical goods so that's one
the second one is actually inclusivity
so this whole thing about inclusive
closed loop is something that we're
pushing forward
so not only this inclusive model becomes
a national movement through our peace
aggro model and i can talk to you about
jakarta food security summit which i
i need to talk about this because this
is where we showcase
our efforts of the one to two million
farmers is this possible
this is not this is before even before
okay this is part of peace aggro so
just to tell you a little bit about it
even before pandemic we have thousands
of participants local and and
international
we have close to 60 ambassadors and
international reps
present at the event
even during covet we continue virtually
so it is already becoming a national
movement but what we're trying to do
with g20 and b20 is to make this an
international movement i just had my
third task force call yesterday with
close to 140 members global members
with eight or nine co-chairs
and one of our ideas or legacy events
that we want to leave behind during this
presidency is a inclusivity pledge
using this inclusive close-up model as
being the framework
and i've gotten really positive response
so this is something that we want to do
at the summit hopefully
we're still
fine-tuning the wording of it
but in addition to the pledge what i
want to showcase as well are best
practices so stories to tell
i know some of our members
even in the retail side not outside of
the agriculture they mention hundreds of
thousands of msmes that they're
nurturing and
half of them are women-led so you know
these are the things that we need to
showcase to create awareness
and then
also to create sort of peer pressure
by showing a dashboard if you will
where people can be measured where
corporates can be measured and whether
you're doing well you know there's an
incentive if you're not doing so well we
help you to get to
the other to the upper level the agendas
of the b-20 and the asean region
all this talk of collaboration of
working together of solving the last
mile problems and to putting the finance
into the hands of things even your the
closed loop model they all sound good on
paper but are they actually applicable
are they actually being implemented i
mean i know you've spoken very
positively about this happening there is
always room for improvement right and
my my philosophy always always start
with the person in the mirror which is
yourself you know ourselves
and then we get together with
business leaders of the same mission
like-minded business people
and then and that's what peace agro is
all about and then you engage the
government so we are utilizing this
aggro platform grow asia platform
the
jakarta food security summit to showcase
this
to get more involvement right and i
agree with you getting the government to
be involved is actually a game changer
not only
you know
no one has more resources than the
government so they provide the you know
the land
the
regulation
the
infrastructure which is needed right for
uh to make sure that irrigation and
everything is being done and also the
certification part so what is needed to
get to the fight actually the government
is starting to get involved but it takes
years we have done jakarta for
i think it was number four number five
which times you know by annual so it's
like eight years ten years right
but the fight you just have to continue
you can't you can't stop and we are at
least reassure me that it's speeding up
and exactly so from one million we have
two million uh target by next year so
it's by numbers right and when you
measure things it's going to get done
uh and we are leveraging on this b20
g20 event to take it to the next level
and you mentioned earlier on
digitalization i mean presumably a lot
of this is based upon technology and
traceability using digital
means
so how important is that
so actually they are
what i consider my most
recent
heroes
of the world of agriculture
you know these millennial agri-tech
startups founders
and i do see this mushrooming
of agritech startups no pun intended to
really make a change in the farmers or
fisherman's life truly and i can
segmentize these startups into three
categories
the upstream productivity of farmers
that's where they focus
the middle the middle one
are the supply chain because from
farmers to
consumer 50
food wastage by some research
and then those that actually focus just
linking the two
through their platform
one important insight is that
no matter where this their starting
point is
they all aspire to integrate the three
segmentations of the supply chain and bs
omni solution to the farmers and
consumers so i'll give you one example
uh e-fishery is now commanding probably
a real one of the highest valuation
and their focus is improving the life of
fishermen in improving the in the fish
pond i don't know if you know this but
80 percent of the cost
amongst fishermen is actually 80 of them
is aqua feed feed aqua feed and they
invest in this iot internet of things
where they can sense when the fish
actually needs the food instead of just
uh you know uh giving it at any given
point in time so not only you reduce the
amount of feed you give you actually
harvest the fish much sooner by a few
months so this is a huge productivity so
you know the technology
plays a role but we go back to one of
the earlier problems we talked about is
how do we get it into the hands of the
right people how do we organize it
orchestrated and make it talk to each
other i mean coordinate all the
different parts of value chain using
that technology i would even go farther
than that i would even say that
when you overlay this digital technology
over inclusive false loop you really
have this explosive breakthrough in the
in the in the
agricultural world
and the example that i give you just now
on efficiency not only they're improving
the upstream portion by the female but
now
they're providing
even bnpl
uh financing model right now
pay later
even even they catch on that so we
talked earlier on about access to
finance
there you go and all of them eventually
will provide financing to the farmers so
these platforms when you improve on
certain segments they will they will
continue to enhance the product line and
the great thing is money is being thrown
at them by investors and i truly believe
that this is the moment of breakthrough
that you were looking for the answer i'm
afraid i'm still going to be cynical
with you and say you've described a
wonderful situation where we have the
capacity and to a certain extent the the
desire to create better systems but you
know human nature and cynicism in itself
tends to tend to lead us to to to
remember that we've been here a lot of
times before and there's a lot of bad
actors in the situation
a lot of it will rely on getting the
mindset changes and the collaboration
purposes tell me how you're going to
bring people together to act rather than
talk i think the best way to engage
people is like leading by example that's
why we're doing this in our companies
we have
in the past only palm and rubber now we
are going to corn we're going to rice so
you need to lead by example but you also
get together with other players that's
there's four we have a platform called
peace agro we have platform for great
asia that's why i'm here i don't
normally like to give interviews or
discussion but i feel compelled to do so
because
we do want to
be
evangelical in terms of
spreading
the
inclusive closed loop
secret recipe which is it's not rocket
science
but you just need the tenacity to
continue to implement it so so give us
the pitch
uh you know within your own activities
obviously you can bring those ideas to
bear how do you get other people to join
how do you get other people to to not
only buy into the substance but
collaborate with each other to make it
happen where what is the incentive for
those people to do such things well i'll
tell you i mean i told you about the
example of peace agro we didn't start
with 25 members today we already have 25
members
we didn't have 1 million farmers right
now we already have more than 1 million
it will get to 2 million i'm very
confident we will surpass that 2 million
next year
we're adding a few members into our
board
in our piece aggro as well
what role does the finance industry play
in the inclusive closed loop model it's
huge but my point is the financial
institution
is only supporting it you still need the
off taker you need still need the
nucleus you still need
the leading actor to ensure that this
entire value chain is being done banks
would not give directly to smallholders
unless they know there's it will be paid
back they know that the product will be
sold to the right person so that's the
reason why
the corporate uh or the nucleus is so
important the role is so important and
this is why i'm trying to convince more
and more business leaders to adopt the
inclusive closed loop whatever
agriculture sector you are aquaculture
sector you are it's being proven
so i told you just now that efficiency
is already transforming into a financial
institution through their binocular
model
and i think the digital
startups
are are taking the lead in this actually
not the traditional players anymore i
think it's the agriculture that the
agritech players will do that the
aquaculture there are so many
organizations institutions
groups
initiatives
approaching this problem approaching
these issues from slightly different
angles
how do we create a situation where that
collaboration doesn't itself become
siloed where each individual group of
collaborators doesn't sort of become a
silo in their own how do we make sure
that collaboration as a principle
becomes the dominating
element of how we do these things i mean
i
the way i go through this kind of things
first it has to come from me right i
mean for each individual person for me
it's always you have to put what is the
greater mission the greater mission is
what drives you
and
i hate politics i don't want to get into
the politics of things
and i think the the true north star
should be dead are we doing this because
of the greater mission or are we doing
this because of some other reason so i
think that mentality that mindset have
to be ingrained in the organization
and that's what i try to to do uh
to to make sure that the spirit you know
the greater mission
is above everything else and you are
involved to a large extent with grow
asia and a number of these other
collaborative platforms um how do we
encourage people what advice would you
give to grow asia if it wants to be a
player in that space and to the other
platforms in that space to to grow
themselves in the way that you're
talking about the kind of growth that we
need i mean i don't mean to
uh to lecture or anything i mean grow
asia is actually the super body right
it's aggro we're we're supporting grow
asia so i don't mean to
to to be arrogant enough to tell people
what to do but i think in our small ways
is to
uh to show by examples so we will be
more than happy if there are more
business leaders who would like to
follow our footsteps we will be open
an open book we can tell you what the
secret sauce we will provide you with
our technical expertise the more people
that participate in this effort
is is better for
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the country for the world and also for
obviously for the farmers themselves
let me finish by
addressing one of the big picture issues
and that is
the movement
um that we're already seeing to a large
extent but it's still just a beginning
of business leaders
taking on the esg message and really
acting on it within their own companies
you're going to sit at the b-20 coming
up indonesia's
driving of the g20 and asean leadership
in the next couple of years
is a really good platform to push those
messages are they going to be the key
messages
and how do you think that's going to pan
out do you think business is going that
way
for sure it's already happening
i think
even before g20 b20 i think this
coveting
really accelerated a lot of things and i
think green transition is one of them
i was going to ask you what would
success look like to you after these
events and i guess it would be the mass
adoption of this closed loop model
exactly and i think the keywords
adoption not only the signing of the
pledge but truly an adoption and we can
measure it and hopefully the things that
can be measured is being done
by gary very nice talking to you thank
you so much for giving your time thank
you pate more as well thank you for the
time and the questions
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