What can we learn from DonVo's case? Risk control is key, no one knows the degree of truth.
Summary
TLDR视频中讨论了外汇交易领域的知名直播者唐维尔(Mr. Donville)的交易失败案例,他被指控在一天内损失了投资者90%至95%的资金。视频探讨了风险管理和一致性的重要性,强调了交易者应如何平衡胜率和风险回报率。同时,也对投资者选择交易者时的谨慎性提出了质疑,并分享了视频制作者自己的交易俱乐部成员的成功案例,鼓励投资者通过教育和知识来掌控自己的交易。
Takeaways
- 😀 视频中讨论了交易者Donville在外汇直播领域的声誉,以及他可能遭遇的交易失败。
- 📉 有传言称Donville在一天之内损失了90%至95%的资金,但具体情况不明,除非Donville本人公开讨论。
- 🤔 讨论了所谓的PAMM(百分比分配管理模式)或MAMM(多账户管理系统)的交易方式,以及它们与直接账户管理的区别。
- 💸 一些投资者通过PAMM或MAMM系统在Donville的账户中损失了大量资金,这引发了关于风险管理和责任的讨论。
- 📈 强调了风险管理的重要性,以及如何通过适当的风险回报比率来实现交易的长期可持续性。
- 🚫 视频中提到了止损的重要性,以及它如何保护交易者免受自身情绪影响和潜在的灾难性损失。
- 💡 提出了对投资者的警示,即在选择交易者或服务时应该更加谨慎,并且应该对风险有适当的认识。
- 🏦 讨论了某些交易平台可能存在的问题,如延迟和滑点,这些问题可能对交易结果产生重大影响。
- 📊 分享了交易者社区的成功案例,强调了教育和自我提升在交易成功中的作用。
- 🌟 视频最后鼓励交易者加入交易社区,以获得更好的教育和支持,从而提高自己的交易技能。
Q & A
视频中提到的Mr. Donville在外汇直播领域的地位是怎样的?
-Mr. Donville被描述为外汇直播领域的OG(老炮),尤其在外汇空间中,他是一个资深的直播者。
Mr. Donville被指控的交易问题是什么?
-Mr. Donville被指控在一天之内损失了90%到95%的资金,一些人认为他没有适当的风险管理。
什么是PM模型,它与Mr. Donville的交易有何关联?
-PM模型指的是主账户复制交易的模式,即投资者将自己的账户链接到主账户,由主账户进行交易。视频中提到,如果Mr. Donville直接管理账户,他需要有相应的许可证,否则可能是非法的。如果是PM模型,则涉及的法律问题较少。
视频中提到的投资者在Mr. Donville的PM模型中损失了多少?
-视频中提到了两个案例,一个投资者在PM模型中损失了大约95%的资金,另一个投资者损失了超过90%。
视频中提到的风险回报率是什么,为什么它对交易者很重要?
-风险回报率是指投资者愿意为潜在收益承担的风险程度。视频中强调,风险回报率是交易的基本商业逻辑,是交易成功的关键因素,因为它关乎长期可持续性和交易者的整体策略。
视频中提到的交易者应该如何管理风险?
-视频中建议交易者应该使用止损来保护自己不受情绪影响,避免因为固执而导致重大损失。同时,应该有一个有效的风险管理系统,确保在被市场证明错误时能够及时退出。
视频中提到的Blueberry Markets是什么,它与Mr. Donville的交易有何关联?
-Blueberry Markets是一个交易平台,视频中提到它存在延迟问题,可能导致交易执行不顺畅。这可能与Mr. Donville的交易损失有关,因为平台的技术问题可能影响了交易的及时性和有效性。
视频中提到的投资者应该如何对待投资于交易者的资金?
-视频中建议投资者应该谨慎,不应该将所有资金投入到一个交易者或一个交易策略中,而应该分散风险,并且选择有良好声誉和记录的交易者。
视频中提到的交易俱乐部是什么,它如何帮助交易者?
-交易俱乐部是由视频主讲人运营的一个社区,旨在指导交易者如何交易,并像一个家庭一样带领他们。它提供日常指导、课程和社区支持,帮助交易者提高交易技能和风险管理。
视频中提到的交易者如何通过教育和自我提升来控制自己的交易结果?
-视频中强调,交易者应该通过教育自己,学习如何交易,而不是完全依赖他人。通过自我提升和掌握交易技能,交易者可以更好地控制自己的交易结果,实现长期的成功。
Outlines
😲 交易者对Donville事件的讨论
视频开头提到了一位名为Donville的资深外汇直播交易员,他被指控在一天内损失了90%至95%的资金。视频作者对此事件表示好奇,并提出要深入探讨一致性问题。同时,作者也提到了一些关于Donville的传言,包括他可能没有适当的风险管理。视频作者强调,除非Donville本人公开讨论此事,否则真相无人知晓。接着,作者讨论了所谓的PAMM模型,这是一种复制交易方式,其中投资者的账户与主账户链接,由主账户进行交易。作者提到了一位投资者在PAMM模型中损失了大部分资金的案例,并质疑Donville是否直接管理这些账户,因为这可能涉及法律问题。
📉 风险管理的重要性
在第二段中,视频作者强调了风险管理和风险回报率的重要性。他分享了自己的交易哲学,即追求高回报率而不是高胜率。作者认为,即使胜率只有25%至30%,只要风险回报率得当,长期来看仍然可以盈利。他批评了那些只关注胜率而忽视风险管理的交易者,并强调了止损的重要性,认为止损是保护交易者免受自身情绪影响的关键工具。此外,作者还提到了一些关于Donville可能故意亏损投资者资金的社交媒体评论,并表达了对这些说法的怀疑。
🚫 投资者的责任与风险
第三段讨论了投资者在选择交易员时的责任。视频作者认为,尽管投资者应该更加谨慎,但他们往往因为缺乏时间而选择信任那些有良好声誉和业绩的交易员。作者不同意将全部责任归咎于投资者,因为投资者只是希望他们的资金能够为他们工作。作者重申,如果投资者在一天之内损失了大部分资金,这显然是交易员的问题,因为交易员没有妥善管理风险。此外,作者还提到了Donville的交易风格,指出其高风险回报率的问题,并强调了风险管理在交易中的重要性。
🤔 交易平台的问题与交易员的责任
在第四段中,视频作者讨论了交易平台可能存在的问题,特别是提到了Blueberry Markets的延迟问题。作者分享了自己在该平台的不良体验,并表达了对将资金投入该平台的担忧。此外,作者还提到了一些关于Donville可能与不良经纪商合作的传言,这些经纪商可能会向有影响力的交易员提供资金,条件是这些交易员的客户必须亏损。作者强调,如果这些传言属实,那么这些经纪商的行为就不再是合法的经纪行为,而是接近于欺诈。作者呼吁Donville应该站出来,为投资者提供合理的解释。
💪 教育与自我控制的重要性
最后一段中,视频作者分享了自己交易俱乐部成员的成功案例,强调了教育和自我控制的重要性。作者提到,只有通过教育和学习,投资者才能真正掌握自己的交易,并实现长期的盈利。作者鼓励观众不要完全依赖他人,而是要通过学习成为能够自我控制的交易者。视频以作者对交易俱乐部的简短介绍和对未来视频的期待结束。
Mindmap
Keywords
💡风险管理
💡复制交易
💡交易者
💡赢率
💡风险回报比
💡情绪交易
💡止损
💡投资者
💡交易社区
💡交易策略
Highlights
讨论了Mr. Donville在外汇直播领域的成就和近期的交易损失。
提到Mr. Donville可能没有适当的风险管理,导致一天内损失90-95%。
探讨了一致性在交易中的重要性。
分析了投资者通过主账户复制交易(PAM模型)的风险。
讨论了Mr. Donville是否需要许可证来管理账户的问题。
分享了投资者在PAM模型中损失惨重的案例。
强调了风险管理和风险回报在交易中的重要性。
讲述了一个交易者在PAM模型中损失超过90%的案例。
提出了对Mr. Donville交易风格的质疑,特别是风险回报方面。
讨论了交易者情绪管理的重要性和止损的必要性。
提到了Blueberry Markets平台的延迟问题可能对交易造成的影响。
分享了社区成员通过学习改善交易表现的成功案例。
强调了教育和自我学习在交易中的重要性。
呼吁Mr. Donville对投资者的损失给出合理的解释。
总结了交易者应该如何正确地管理风险和尊重投资者的资金。
分享了交易俱乐部成员的成功故事,强调了教育和社区支持的价值。
Transcripts
hi Traders welcome back to another video
so you know yesterday one of my trck
club members he he he
roughly talked with me about what has
happened to Mr donville uh he's
definitely one of the OG in live
streaming in FX especially in FX
space it's an interesting uh discussion
I'll say all right so some people call
him a rock pool
some people say he did not have a proper
risk management that he lost about 90 to
95% in one single
day but let's dive deep into it and
really talk about what consistency
really is
again whether or not these are the truth
we'll put them aside because again no
one will ever know the real truth until
Mr Dawn
himself actually come up to the public
and discuss about it publicly so what
happened was
um basically if you look at uh this
one this is so-call one of the investor
that invested in um the M of pen model
let's call it a PM model pen model is
basically just uh you copy trading
through the master account so basically
what happen is you link your account to
the master account and they'll trade for
you you so I'm not sure about the entire
truth whether it is a real a proper
account management or is it really a pem
model um because it's very different if
Mr Dawn
himself is managing accounts for the
investor he requires a license to do so
un otherwise it would be illegal but if
let's say is a p model then there's less
um this just less legal thing needs to
be involved all right because you cop
trade he doesn't directly deal with the
investor as in he doesn't touch the
Investor's money directly that's just
less
trouble so this is uh sent to me by one
of my members he say that oh uh one of
the investor invested about $5,000 into
the the P uh the pen model um basically
copy trade um directly
from Mr Mr Don account master account
SoCal well we call it a master account
and he lost about 90 to 95 in this case
about
95% uh close to 95% in one single day or
two days I'm not sure and the another
one is actually uh this one as well I
think uh this one is much more serious I
will say that's a little crazy um this
Trader actually lost
about yeah
that's that's a lot of money so I said
basically he deposited about $54,000 or
53.8k into the account into the P model
and he almost blew the entire account so
again how much loss is that above 90%
loss so there's a lot of comment on this
um no one know what's the real truth but
what I can be very honest with all of
you is
I believe that Dawn is a good Trader the
fact that he has done so many things
publicly doing all the live
session um yeah it just shows that he is
a real Traer but for me personally again
it's just my personal opinion you could
be you could disagree with me but I
never believe when someone say he
doesn't care about racek management as
it and he he doesn't care about risk
management he doesn't care about risk
reward to me I'm a full-time Trader and
I have achieved the seven figures Mark
and I'll still tell you honestly I care
a lot about a risk reward why because
risk reward is like
um just such a basic business um logic
as in today imagine you invest 500k into
a business and imagine if the founder of
the the one who works for you tell you
hey if you lost on the investment you
could potentially lose 500k of your
investment every single thing but if the
business is making good money maybe you
get back 10% you'll get
50k so that's risk reward you invest
500k for 50k of
profits the same thing goes into trading
I always tell my trade club members I
always tell any single my students my
mentees I always say hey risk reward is
everything because trading is a business
if you don't have a proper risk reward
means you are
just firing uh empty empty shots you you
don't actually know what you're doing
you're just taking random bets and what
makes a Trader so profitable is we have
the occasional that Runner all right we
have the Home Run trade it goes to 5r
10r 15r what's ever all right risk
reward is just like I invest $33,000
today because I know the potential
return is
$10,000 that's three plus r r reward
beautiful even if I take a loss as long
as in the in in the long term even if I
only have about 30% win rate 25% win
rate I will still be making money in the
long run it takes off all of the
pressure all of the
headaches of oh I need to be correct 80
to 90% of the time and not longer when I
talk about the concept of Rich reward to
the public there will one person comment
to me and say oh you definitely don't
know how to trade Rich reward is not
important I have a one to one you say
okay you have a Ono one system all you
have to do is just to make sure win rate
extremely
high all right but for me personally I'm
not the person who will say I I want
want to be correct 60% of the time I
want to be correct 80% all the time I'm
not the kind of Trader for me I want to
be correct and I want to make
more when I'm being correct when I'm
being being proven right than when I'm
Pro being proven wrong that's it that's
the the entire logic of trading to me
long-term sustainability and that's how
I get an
edge and you
know I have I never I never really
watched the live stream on Dawn probably
one stream uh two years ago I'm not sure
but I realized that that there always a
very how can I say is not a very healthy
risk reward the way he trade but again
I'm not but again I'm not here trying to
judge him but what I can say is the way
he's he trade in involves a lot of risk
and
especially we're all humans you are
human I'm a human we all have emotions
and emotion is biological it is not
psychological which means sometimes we
could be
hijacked by emotional
behavior and
so what if someday there's one AB one
very ugly day where you are being proven
wrong but you are just being so
stubborn it could happen and that's why
stop loss is so important stop loss is
there to protect ourself from our
biggest enemy so who's our biggest enemy
us remember stop loss is there for a
reason which is to protect ourself from
ourself from that little demon in your
mind that may hijack your brain and
start doing stupid things and that's
emotion and that's how scary emersion is
and that's why we have a stop loss let's
say you have a stop loss the worst case
scenario how many percent could you lose
4% 5%
3% and let's say if you really have an
effective risk management a set of roles
that that actually got you when to step
away from the market when you're being
proven wrong you know when to take pull
hand
break one day normally I lost a Max 2 to
3% that's really the max all right right
so yeah it's really interesting to see
that and let's go to some um other
screenshots again all of the screenshots
are sent
by some of my
members let's have a look at this one as
well so this one is um basically
just uh someone says that oh for context
why Dawn when go dawn in one day blw
through $1 million in investors money
that's quite crazy I'll agree with that
with a [ __ ] hft hft means high
frequency trading bought that he tried
to make quick money skem
with Absolut zero excuse for social post
on social media going goes like U blah
blah blah something Shady feels like he
blew through that money on purpose how
can Mr R doesn't possibly blow blow a
Millie without it being on purpose seems
like a rock ball can't wait for the
explanation on this investors are also
to be blame investing to highrisk Trader
but to expect a negative 100% AI in one
day's outes there's something that I
agree with this individual with the
comment and something that I do not
agree I agree and did not agree so
basically you have to think about this
you know
I do agree that investors um investors
should be blamed of course but to me
personally I don't think so you know you
know what I know a lot of you if you
watch uh if you know the story or
whatever you might feel like oh why
don't the investors be a little bit more
careful why do they invest in a YouTube
influencer rather than a real
professional who works on a trade floor
who works in the banks the institutions
a real
proper account management
company but the thing is
this investors us me myself I'm an
investor as
well sometimes
we not me because I'm many a full-time
Trader but there are a lot of investors
that have excess of money but just don't
have the time to trade thems and that's
why they invest in someone who has a
potential someone who shows grow great
reputation someone who shows great track
record whatever so we can't really blame
the investor because investors are
simply individual with excess of money
they are looking to put their money to
work for them and trusting it onto
someone else you can't really blame the
investor so in this case you
see lost about uh 90 to 100% in one
single day that is definitely the
Traders
problem I don't care if it's Dawn or
anyone else I will still say the same
thing that is definitely the trader
problem you know why because it shows
zero risk management and of course in
another way zero respect towards
investors's money imagine today you
invest 100K I want all of you to just
think in and imagine if this is your own
money you park 100K into someone that
you trust and you lost almost all every
single penny one single day how could it
be possibly your fault it has to be the
Trader's
fault because it could be oh you w you
you have a sleep wake up in the morning
all of your money is gone that's almost
like being scammed
so and
again there's two things to to highlight
here first one is Mr Dawn he has a
negative reward trading sty which means
he care a lot about at win rate I know
he sometimes will flash that oh I have a
90% win rate to me I don't bind to that
some of you maybe you do maybe you do
yeah you feel like oh his win rate is
beautiful such an amazing win rate but
to me I'm not being I'm not Amazed by
that because becoming a good trailer is
all about balancing that that is like a
balancing weing skill is are trying
you're trying to spin a few playes at
the same time as well
um you just need to balance everything
right if you have a high risk reward
your win rate would actually drop a
little bit but you can always improve
your win rate by mastering your your
position by improving your trade
management Etc there's a lot of ways you
can do to make sure your win rate is not
too bad maybe 50% 55% but at the same
time really elevate your rual ratio
using Trail stops using any sort of
trade management technique and that's
what I always teach in the trade Club as
well you
know but in this case you see you can it
just shes one thing you can become an
incredible Trader you can make a million
dollars in one year two years doing live
stream but if you don't manage your
money well one bad day you lo you lose
everything and that is the power and
that is the true power of risk
management and that is also the true
power of you not respecting risk reward
not respecting the long-term gain the
sustainability when you want to trade I
always tell any single person whether
it's all of you watching this video or
if they're within my trade Club if you
don't
respect uh money if you don't respect
the risk don't expect yourself to become
a good Trader you will be destined to
fail all right and then there's one
thing quite um suspicious here as well
which
is I don't think any single person can
possibly lose so much money one single
day um I do agree that uh blueberry
Market from what I know they they always
have latency problem as in if you try to
use blueberry platforms you realize
there's a lot of latency latency means
you click the buy and sell button or
maybe you try to close your position
there's a delay it's almost like a
glitch you click the button you cannot
go
through and I have experienced that on
blueberry markets myself before and
that's one of the reason why I don't put
my money into blueberry market and all
of my uh capital is almost I'll say 80
to 90% is in ic Market Australian based
broker
such such a credible company uh very
regulated quick withdrawal speed
normally within the day maximum two
business days execution Top Notch as
well blueberry markets again like what I
say the condition isn't that beautiful
the spreads a little bit wide and
there's a lot of
latency you see uh Kimo I think I think
a lot of you know him as well for people
who think prop firms are evil Brokers
actually offer large sums of money to
influencers with the condition that the
people who deposit have to lose I know I
know people who have been offered up 80%
of clients lost money yes 80% uh this
one
again no one know the degree of the
truth but what I can say
is yeah I do I do know
that some Brokers do that and those are
really shady broker and they are not
actually a broker right when when when a
brokerage firm start doing these kind of
shady things they are no longer broker
they're more to a scam right so yeah I
do know cases like that I've heard of it
I know such thing exist as well so yeah
I'm not
surprised uh then uh if you look at this
one uh again all of these are sent to me
by my member say that that's me I put I
can't see the exact figure but it seems
like a a pretty decent five figures
seems like 30 40 or 50k so he says that
that's me I put all of my money into the
me me and Pam is technically the same
thing I'm desperate right now I could
buy a house and now I need to work for
that for 4 years I laid in bed tonight
with a suicide
thoughts and I will be very honest with
you it doesn't seems like it's a fake
comment um I believe this is more of a
um uh donville Community Discord should
be and it doesn't seems like the person
is faking um cor uh main reason being he
even posts his broker statement yeah
broker statement you can't lie that's
legit and you say that he put almost all
his money again it we can debate that it
is his problem that he put all of his
money into an
influencer but to me again
sometimes you just trust an individual
it's just like if today some of my
Trader my my students or my mentees they
come to me and say I want to give you a
million dollars to trade it is my duty
to protect your money I would never
think about profits first I'll think
about how can I reduce the risk how can
I protect the downside how can I make
sure nothing will ever happen that I
disappoint them that's always my utmost
uh priority and that's one of the reason
why currently our trade club we have
almost
110 Traders inside because yeah they
always learn learn from me that the
importance of risk management so yeah
what I what I still want to say
is it's quite scary it's quite
scary uh looking at all these news and I
do I do really think that
uh Dawn he really has to step
up and really just give it a a good
solid explanation because again if there
are really people who invest in such a
big amount into his P model into his
copy trading service whatever they
deserve to know the truth as well uh
that's that's my sincere thought and I
think yeah he should really really St
about it and give a good explanation so
that goes
uh yeah another
screenshot
and there goes something from Roger Bank
um he's he I believe he was probably the
the the first one they said apparently
today Don crashed the M account on
blueberry markets yeah so again more
drama
here and yeah and before we end the
the the video I just want to share
something
that I'm proud of and also something
that I think this is more of a proper
way to trade and I hope these I hope if
any of you invest in Dawn the PM model
or
whatever you can cheer up and really
learn how to trade properly so this is
one of my members that joined um about a
month plus ago one and a half month
probably
and scroll down I really take your word
and your advice and some changes happen
on your on my side hopefully this can
make you feel proud I'm always proud of
them I receive text like this very often
by the way you see what a beautiful
Equity cuff what a beautiful Equity C on
his ftmo challenge although he hasn't
passed the challenge but that's insane
before he joined my community he was in
a massive draw down and he didn't know
what he doing he even failed challenges
before he joined our trade club and
after I review his journal after I
helped him I think he's under a half
year I think he's one of our half year
member after I helped review V his
journal after I he followed our guidance
for our daily call our watching our 300
plus lessons look at that he started to
achieve a very strong Equity curve and
you see that before he joined the trade
Club all the way down right now is all
the way back
up that's just insane he was in a heavy
draw down same thing uh almost fed up on
this account but I really do feel
sincerity and caring maybe you wouldn't
believe this but after I join the
community I wouldn't feel so lonely to
work as a trailer and that's what I want
to tell all of you from Don's
case or whatever that we we have heard
you you just have to understand that
knowledge is power and education is key
if you put your money onto someone else
and you rely on them you just don't have
a full control the only way you can have
a full control of your returns or
whatever is to make sure you're well
educated that you really know how to
trade and you trust no one else but
yourself just like me I'm a full-time
trainer and just like them all of my
trade club members we have about
110 uh members right now Super Active me
yeah love the fact that they're all yeah
they're just beautiful Traders super
powerful see members achieving 4 and a
half
hour yeah just such a strong
Community tons of blessings as well so
that's it for the video if you like the
video please don't forget to like share
and subscribe and again I do run a trade
Club where I guide Traders on how to
trade and I lead them as a as whole like
like a
family um why am I promoting it because
we are looking to grow the family in uh
one of the best trading community in the
space so yeah I hope all of you enjoy
the video and I'll talk to you next time
if you like the video again please don't
forget to like share and subscribe
bye-bye
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