EP. 112: Red Light Therapy + Methylene Blue | Dr. Mike Belkowski

Summary

Dr. Tina interviews her friend Dr. Mike Bilowski, CEO of BioLite, to discuss red light therapy and their new methylene blue product Bio. They explain the synergistic benefits of combining red light and methylene blue, both of which help boost mitochondrial health and energy production. Dr. Mike details how methylene blue selectively helps dysfunctional cells and accumulates in the brain to provide cognitive benefits. They also touch on the downsides of excess nitric oxide, the antimicrobial properties of methylene blue, using red light on reproductive organs to potentially increase testosterone, and more.

Takeaways

• 😀 Methylene blue is a powerful antiviral and can help treat conditions like West Nile virus, Ebola, Zika, herpes and hepatitis A.
• 💊 Methylene blue selectively targets metabolically inefficient cells that need the most help.
• 🧠 Methylene blue accumulates in the brain providing benefits for cognition, mood, depression and neurodegenerative diseases.
• ⚡️ Methylene blue and red light therapy work synergistically to boost mitochondrial health, energy, circulation and decrease inflammation.
• 🔬 Excess nitric oxide inhibits oxygen from entering the electron transport chain needed to produce ATP energy.
• 😷 Methylene blue can help treat urinary tract infections and vaginal atrophy issues in women.
• 🩺 Methylene blue was the first pharmaceutical drug ever, used historically as an antimalarial.
• 🏋️‍♂️ Nitric oxide supplements may acutely boost energy and pumps but chronically high levels can decrease testosterone.
• 🤯 Methylene blue is an antidote for pesticide poisoning and helps detox chemical pollutants.
• 💡 Take methylene blue earlier in the day if it affects your sleep. The half life is around 12 hours.

Q & A

What are some of the key benefits of methylene blue?

Some key benefits of methylene blue include improving mitochondrial health and energy production, boosting brain function and cognition, providing antiviral and antimicrobial properties, and helping to treat conditions like depression and dementia.

How does methylene blue interact with nitric oxide in the body?

Methylene blue inhibits nitric oxide production. While nitric oxide can provide some acute benefits like vasodilation, chronic high levels can become neurotoxic. By inhibiting nitric oxide, methylene blue allows more oxygen to enter the mitochondria and improve energy production.

What makes methylene blue synergistic with red light therapy?

Both methylene blue and red light therapy work to improve mitochondrial health and function. They do this through different mechanisms, but combining them has a synergistic effect, like "pouring gasoline onto the fire" of their mitochondrial-boosting properties.

How safe is pharmaceutical grade methylene blue at recommended doses?

Pharmaceutical grade methylene blue is considered very safe at doses from 8 to 30 mg per day. Much higher doses up to 400 mg per day are still considered safe for short term use. It has been used as a pharmaceutical drug for over 100 years.

Can red light therapy help increase testosterone levels in men?

There is limited research but significant anecdotal evidence that shining red light on the testicles can help boost testosterone production in men. Some people have shown lab test results confirming major testosterone increases after starting red light treatments.

Why should you not combine red light therapy with infrared sauna?

The heat from an infrared sauna can inhibit the benefits of red light therapy. While using them on the same day is fine, you should not use red light while inside the infrared sauna itself.

How might methylene blue and red light therapy help treat illnesses?

Combined they can be extremely powerful antivirals, with some dramatic case reports of illnesses resolved in just 48 hours. The combination boosts immune function and metabolic health to help the body fight infections.

What causes vaginal atrophy and urinary tract issues in aging women?

Declining estrogen levels leading to vaginal tissue thinning and dryness is a major cause. This also increases vulnerability to UTIs. Maintaining vaginal health and using antimicrobials like methylene blue may help prevent UTIs.

Can methylene blue help remove toxins and pollutants from the body?

Yes, methylene blue is known as an antidote for removing many chemical toxins and environmental pollutants. It seems to bind to toxins and facilitate their safe removal from the body.

Why avoid taking methylene blue too close to bedtime?

For some people, taking methylene blue later in the day can overstimulate the body and make it harder to fall asleep normally. It's best to take it early/mid-day unless you know late doses don't affect your sleep.

Outlines

00:00

🗣 Introducing the guests and topics to be discussed

Dr. Tina introduces her guest Dr. Mike Bilowski, CEO of BioLite, her favorite red light therapy company. They will be discussing methylene blue and red light therapy, which work synergistically to boost mitochondrial health by increasing energy, decreasing inflammation, and improving circulation.

05:03

🚫 Don't combine red light therapy with infrared sauna therapy

Dr. Mike explains that you should not combine red light therapy with infrared sauna therapy, as the heat from the sauna inhibits the benefits of red light. You can do them separately within 30-60 minutes of each other.

10:05

💙 Methylene blue and nitric oxide inhibition benefits

Dr. Mike explains how methylene blue inhibits nitric oxide, allowing more oxygen into cells to produce ATP energy. This improves mitochondrial and metabolic health. Excess nitric oxide over time can become toxic and increase risk of neurodegenerative diseases.

15:06

😷 Methylene blue helps detox chemical poisons

Dr. Mike notes that methylene blue is known for detoxing chemical poisons and overdoses, whether from pharmaceuticals, pollutants, or other toxins that accumulate in the body over time.

20:06

♂️ Anecdotal benefits of red light therapy for testosterone

While there is no research yet, Dr. Mike shares there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that using red light therapy on the testicles can significantly boost testosterone levels.

25:07

🌡 Difficulty using sauna in summer heat

Dr. Tina and Dr. Mike discuss how they both find it difficult to use the infrared sauna regularly during the summer months when it is already hot outside.

30:07

😷 Methylene blue helps treat chronic UTI issues

Dr. Tina shares how taking methylene blue regularly helps prevent recurrent UTIs, likely due to its antimicrobial properties. This is very helpful for women as they age and estrogen drops.

35:09

👩‍⚕️ Importance of doctors keeping up with latest research

Dr. Tina emphasizes the importance of doctors staying current on latest research and common treatments, yet notes many of her colleagues do not make this a priority.

40:11

😀 Methylene blue helps antidote pesticide poisoning

Dr. Tina shares research showing methylene blue can act as an antidote for pesticide poisoning, which is helpful given her frequent exposure to agricultural spraying.

45:11

😴 Caution taking methylene blue too late affects sleep

Dr. Mike advises caution taking methylene blue too late in the day, as its 12 hour half life may make it harder to fall asleep for some people who get overstimulated.

50:14

💊 Methylene blue is extremely safe at common doses

Dr. Mike emphasizes that at the typical daily doses of 20-30 mg, methylene blue is extremely safe with no known side effects. Even doses of up to 400 mg per day are still considered safe.

Keywords

💡mitochondria

Mitochondria are organelles inside cells that produce energy. They are referred to as "powerhouses of the cell". The video discusses improving mitochondrial health through supplements like methylene blue and therapies like red light. Healthy mitochondria lead to more energy production, which helps fight diseases. For example, methylene blue "selectively targets the cells that need help the most" with mitochondrial dysfunction.

💡methylene blue

Methylene blue is an organic dye that was the first pharmaceutical drug used historically as an antimalarial. Today it is used as a supplement to improve energy, brain function, and treat diseases by supporting mitochondrial health. For example, it "accumulates in your brain" to provide "amazing brain health benefits" related to cognition and mood.

💡red light therapy

Red light therapy involves exposing the body to red wavelengths of light. Like methylene blue, it helps improve mitochondrial function and health. The video discusses combining red light therapy and methylene blue as "pouring gasoline onto the fire" to boost their synergistic benefits - improving energy, decreasing inflammation, enhancing circulation and fighting viruses.

💡nitric oxide

Nitric oxide is a signaling molecule and free radical the body produces. It was thought to improve health but the video explains chronically high nitric oxide causes harm, inhibiting mitochondrial function. Methylene blue inhibits nitric oxide, allowing more oxygen to produce energy. Red light therapy also removes nitric oxide bound in cells for this purpose.

💡antimicrobial

Methylene blue has antimicrobial properties, meaning it kills viruses, bacteria and other microorganisms. This helps fight infections and the video mentions it prevents UTIs. It can also be used as an "all-terrain vehicle" to travel with and get "out of so many pinches" related to health issues.

💡detoxification

Detoxification refers to eliminating toxins and waste from the body. Though red light therapy helps circulation, infrared sauna is likely more useful for detoxification through heavy sweating. The video recommends combining sweat-inducing sauna with methylene blue intake for further detoxification benefits.

💡hormones

Hormones like testosterone and estrogen are chemical messengers controlling bodily functions. Though lacking research, red light applied to testicles may naturally boost testosterone. Conversely, substances like marijuana and alcohol negatively affect testosterone levels according to the speakers.

💡synergy

Synergy refers to the interaction or cooperation of two or more substances to produce an effect greater than their individual effects. Red light therapy and methylene blue are described as having synergy - working via different mechanisms but complementing each other's mitochondrial and health benefits.

💡cognition

Cognition refers to mental faculties like memory, attention and problem solving. Both red light and methylene blue are said to offer cognitive benefits. For example, methylene blue "accumulates in your brain" and the video host credits it with turning her brain "on", improving her cognition and focus.

💡glyphosate

Glyphosate is an herbicide, often in Roundup weed killer, considered highly toxic with links to cancer, mitochondrial damage and more. The host is exposed to glyphosate sprayed on adjacent fields and emphasizes detox strategies like methylene blue to reduce its harm.

Highlights

Methylene blue was the first pharmaceutical drug ever, used as an antimalarial in the late 1800s

Methylene blue selectively helps the cells in your body that need it most and accumulates in your brain

Methylene blue and red light therapy work synergistically together to boost mitochondrial health

Excess nitric oxide over time becomes a neurotoxin, increasing risk of cardiovascular disease and neurodegeneration

Carbon dioxide is actually a better vasodilator than nitric oxide because it also oxygenates tissues

Red light therapy and methylene blue are the only two things known to dissociate nitric oxide and allow oxygen into mitochondria

Methylene blue is a potent antidote for chemical poisonings and environmental pollutants we accumulate

Anecdotal evidence shows red light therapy to the testicles increases testosterone, but no formal research yet

Beer is actually an estrogen tincture that directly promotes estrogen production

Marijuana also decreases testosterone levels in men

Methylene blue is antimicrobial and prevents UTIs in women

The liquid form of methylene blue doesn't stain teeth and tongue as long as troches do

Take methylene blue earlier in the day if it affects your sleep

Methylene blue is extremely safe even at higher doses like 400mg per day

A skin test with methylene blue can show if your skin cells are oxygen deprived

Transcripts

on this episode of the Dr Tina show I

invited my friend Dr Mike belowski back

on the show he is the CEO of BioLite my

favorite red light company and he's

released a new product called bio which

is a methylene blue product that I am

totally in love with I wanted to bring

them on the show so we could talk all

things methylene blue and red light they

are two of my favorite tools that I use

for boosting my mitochondrial health and

they work synergistic together to do

awesome things inside the body Dr Mike

and I always have a great time talking

and nerding out and learning from one

another and this episode was no

different I learned so many new things

and I know you will too let's jump in Dr

Mike belowski thank you so much for

coming on the Dr Tina show yet again you

are a return guest and you are the CEO

of BioLite my favorite red light company

and you have come on today we're going

to talk about methylene blue and your

new product and red light combo so I'm

very excited to have you Dr Tina thanks

for having me on as always it's always

it's always fun when we get together and

have a little conversation I know we do

we talk about good stuff it's always

I've been on your podcast a few times

and we always get into good conversation

so this one will be no different so you

recently were so helpful to me I had

that skin cancer scare thank God it was

negative and I immediately went into

research mode and started researching

red light for skin cancer I mean I was

just trying to cover all my bases so I

reached out to my smartest friends you

were one of them and I was like hey what

do you know about this and you were so

gracious and helpful and for me in my

research and then you mentioned that you

guys were just releasing this bio

product this methylene blue and I got

very excited you sent me some and I've

been using it I love it I love methylene

blue so let's talk about red light and

methylene blue and how it all goes

together hold on so I've also got my

favorite BioLite unit which you are you

guys discontinuing this one um in a

sense yes just because we're upgrading

to a

newer model of the shine so the quote

unquote newer shine which is going to be

officially released here probably in

November aesthetically it looks nice I

don't know if you've seen pictures of it

but functionally it has more LEDs within

the exact same surface area as the one

you just showed us so instead of 12 LEDs

there's 15 so you can argue the pros and

cons of that but equally or maybe most

importantly is there's a third function

because with yours Tina you can do red

and near infrared combo and so every

other row is red and then the alternate

rows are near infrared

correct yeah whereas on this new shine

when you do the red near infrared combo

all LEDs all 15 LEDs emit red and near

infrared at the same time oh fancy okay

yeah so that's one aspect and then what

I was ultimately getting to is there's a

fourth light setting because you can do

red near infrared combo you can do red

light only if you're treating the skin

or you can do near infrared light only

if you're treating deeper tissues like

the brain or organs what have you but

the fourth setting is red and near

infrared combo plus 40 htz puls

frequency and that 40 htz seems to be

good for pain red reduction amongst

other things but main main mainly pain

reduction so we're integrating this

pulse frequency into our into that shine

but also our panels in the panels you

can manually choose from zero Hertz if

you don't want pulse frequency up to

10,000 Hertz and there's various

frequencies like 20 30 40 and and Beyond

where they each have their own

individual benefits so we're starting to

get into this pulse frequency Health

aspect of light as well oh that's so

cool so are the is the pulse frequency

available on the older units I have or

just on the newer units going forward

just on the newer units going forward

it's a newer Innovation and so it's just

a new iteration for these upcoming

products we're releasing so cool I love

the smaller size of this I think

everybody should have a smaller sized

red light I love my big panel absolutely

but this thing is portable and it is so

userfriendly like it goes everywhere on

my body you know and I can utilize it

for virtually everything I and I know I

you and I have talked the past and if

folks want to hear about specifics they

can listen to the other episode we'll

link up here your past episode but I

actually like the near infrared heat

emission and I like putting it up

against my skin in certain areas when I

have pain or whatever it is and I you've

talked about how maybe that's not the

best like maybe we want it actually away

from the skin to some degree am I

breaking some rules here no you're

combining I think a couple of different

concepts I think more so along the lines

is of you don't want to combine red

light therapy with infrared sauna

therapy because it's the heat of the

infrared sauna when it gets to a certain

temperature and it's not that high it's

like 80 or 90 degrees if you have a

sauna that has those red lights I would

call them more so for Ambiance but if

you have the red lights in there or like

you I think you've tried even with our

restore panel to kind of use that while

you're in the sauna based on a recent

interview I did with Dr Prine arani who

is a one of the more uh well resp Ed

photobiomodulation researchers so

someone who's literally on the ground

floor researching red light therapy he

told me on his interview this past

summer I mean he he brought this up to

me that you should not be combining

infrared sauna and red light therapy

because the heat from the infrared sauna

inhibits any benefits you think you're

getting from the red light therapy so

it's not like it's a negative thing like

you're causing negative side effects

you're just not getting the red light

therapy benit you may think you are

getting so simply just separate them

apart you can do them in the same day

probably within an hour of each other or

30 minutes of each other but just don't

do them in tandem wow so don't use the

heat with the red light so if I'm using

this

panel does that mean do one or the other

or does no because those devices don't

put off enough quote unquote heat I

would call it maybe more of a warmth but

when we're talking like a deep de uh

detox like an infrared sauna that's more

so the heat we're talking about yes okay

so don't put the red lights in your

sauna that's interesting that's really

interesting you're the first person I've

heard say that I feel like you mentioned

that did you put a clip of that on your

Instagram yeah yeah I saw that okay no

this cements it well so I do use these

up close and I I don't get as close to

my big panel as I do this little guy but

these little guys and then you have the

glow unit as well I put those right up

to my skin often I mean I'll use them

I'll use them frequently actually the

little holder they come with I'll put

them right down on my desk right in

front of me where right where uh between

myself and my keyboard and I'll just

shine it up on my thyroid just to kind

of blast my neck and thyroid so I like

that option as well but anyway all that

to say these little units kickass and I

think everybody should have one they're

super handy and multi-purpose how does

the methyl and

blue interact like what how is this

improved with red light or is it am I

speculating no your spot on they are

major synergists with each other so I

mean methylene blue has its own set of

health benefits and properties and we

can get into that so methylene blue red

light Synergy yeah they each have their

own set of health benefits they're quite

similar but they operate differently

mechanistically and we can get into the

health benefits of methylene blue but a

lot of it is working on mitochondrial

health and then of course red light

therapy we know that's what it's working

upon as well and essentially when you

combine the to it's like pouring

gasoline onto the fire like the fire are

the benefits of the mitochondrial

boosting properties increasing energy

decreasing inflammation improving

circulation so on and so forth but again

when you combine them together it's like

dumping the gasoline on onto that

proverbial fire a couple of cool things

about methylene blue that I think people

should know and it's almost it's

mind-blowing even as I say it methylene

blue

selectively it has an innate

intelligence meaning it knows like once

you consume it whether you consume it

straight from the dropper or if you

combine it or dilute it with some water

it doesn't matter once you consume it

the methylene

blue helps the cells that need it most

so when you consume it in your body it

selectively helps the the cells that are

most metabolically inefficient or

metabolically dysfunctional which is

just another way of saying mitochondrial

dysfunction so for whatever reason and I

don't know how or why this this is but

again it selectively targets the cells

that need help the most secondly even

regardless of that first statement the

preponderance of the methylene blue does

accumulate in your brain which is why

you see all of these amazing brain

health benefits as it relates to

methylene blue and that's um depression

it's uh PTSD dementia anything

neurodegenerative just boosting your

energy and mood and and cognition all of

that happens with the consumption of

methylene blue um it's so good for

cognition I've used it for years and I

love how it I mean it's not great when

your mouth turns blue and you have to

get on video so I didn't drink it this

morning but I mean it seriously kicks

but to the point where my husband's like

Hey where's our methylene blue like

where's the blue stuff because it just

turns your brain on and it makes it

turns you into a machine it's great yeah

and just like red light therapy in the

sense that the the less energy you have

at a cellular level or the sicker you

are the more of a benefit you're going

to notice same thing with methylene blue

if you're metabolically inefficient so

you're low energy at a cellular level

and we know that our brain is the most

mitochondrial dense tissue meaning it's

the most energy intensive tissue in the

body then lo and behold when you add

something that is going to boost the

health and function of the the

mitochondria it makes sense that your

your brain is going to uh see a lot of

those benefits yeah it's good it's good

in the morning it's good with my coffee

I feel like there's a Synergy between

caffeine and methylene blue do you know

of any I don't know if I would say

Synergy but just based on what I've read

and this is a whole other rabbit hole if

you want to go down it but one of the

main reasons why methylene blue has so

many benefits is because it's a nitric

oxide

inhibitor which goes against the common

theme that that I grew up with which is

nitric oxide equals good well actually

nitric oxide equals unhealthy and again

that's a whole different die tribe we

can go down but all of that to say two

of the most powerful nitric oxide

inhibiting metabolites are methylene

blue and

caffeine so a lot of the benefits you're

getting from caffeine are actually from

its nitric oxide inhibiting properties

interesting you know I have been reading

various things here and there

about how maybe nitric oxide being high

Is Not Great And yet when I take

supplements that induce nitric oxide I

feel better I have a blast of energy but

I from the reading I've seen here and

there I'm like maybe this isn't so great

so like I'd love to hear what you know

about that so you're just not dispelling

you're Illuminating exactly what happens

when you start consuming nitric oxide

you get this acute benefit and it truly

is a benefit you get that more energy

you truly get that Vaso dilation and all

this goes back into the late 1980s early

1990s when chemists or or whomever were

in the Laboratories developing Viagra

and then Viagra came onto the scene and

the big hero of that drug is nitric

oxide leads to vasod dilation leads to

increased blood flow and then shortly

thereafter well during that whole halalu

of of Viagra of of course the mainstream

media ran away with that the scientists

took that to heart and it was like

nitric oxide equals good nitric oxide

equals healthy nitric oxide equals

vasodilation which equals good but

that's only part of the story and we'll

we'll get to it here in a moment then we

have shortly after that the bodybuilder

community and they run away with this

whole concept of nitric oxide and

vasodilation and how that gives you a

bigger pump and how it gives you more

oxygenation and all this stuff which is

inherently false and again I grew up on

this Paradigm so when I learned this not

too long ago my world got flipped a

little bit upside down and sideways and

so the reason why let me back up just a

moment here Tina the thought process is

you consume nitric oxide it causes

vasodilation that's supposed to improve

your circulation it's supposed to

improve your oxygenation and all as well

and again that's true in the acute phase

an acute can be a couple of weeks not

necessarily hours or even days but be a

couple of weeks where you see this nice

benefit from consuming nitric oxide but

then the benefits kind of disappear they

kind of fall off the cliff and when you

start consuming or you have excessive

nitric oxide on a consistent level it

actually becomes a neurotoxin it

actually increases cardiovascular health

diseases it increases your chances of

ALS and dementia and Alzheimer's and

anything neurod degenerative and again

again that's nitric oxide in excess

nitric oxide is a normal byproduct that

our body produces right but again when

you're consuming it in excess like these

supplements or like I was doing these

pre-workouts or these drugs like Viagra

that promote nitric oxide production

it's actually causing degeneration to

your body and a couple decades ago there

was the nitric oxide Theory of Aging

just like there's a free radical Theory

of Aging nitric oxide is a free radical

it's literally an electron stealer and

so people that have been following me or

listening to my podcast and we talk

about raising your voltage and that just

means getting as many electrons accruing

as many electrons as possible that could

be from food it could be from

supplements it could be from grounding

could be from red light therapy could be

from anything truly that benefits the

mitochondria well again n or nitric

oxide is a free radical it's an electron

stealer so even from that fundamental

level it's like well it's probably not

good for you and so to oh go ahead I was

going to ask you a question yeah to

bring this full circle so it makes a

little more sense and again remember

methylene blue is a Nitro oxide

inhibitor which is why we're talking

about this so nitric oxide does cause

vasodilation but it also inhibits oxygen

from entering your electron transport

chain which you need that oxygen to

produce ATP ATP is your token of energy

and so again if we have excessive nitric

oxide that means more and more of your

mitochondria are dysfunctional and then

you go down that that whole rabbit hole

we talked about in my previous interview

with you where you want more energy per

cell because more energy per cell equals

health and vitality the less energy you

have per cell or the less ATP you have

per cell the more disease you have per

cell so again if nitric oxide is

continuously disallowing oxygen from

coming into that energy producing

Factory then then if it's in excess

you're decreasing your body's Vitality

your energy production and so anything

that inhibits nitric oxide is going to

thus allow oxygen into that electron

transport chain produce ATP and your

mitochondria are happy your body's happy

so on and so forth but in a nutshell

that's the argument against nitric oxide

and that's the main one of the main

reasons why methylene blue does what it

does so well

okay so question and or just thoughts in

the ozone community so I used to be into

ozone and I still love ozone but putting

ozone into joints and you know using

ozone therapeutically the idea is if you

introduce these free radicals into the

body then the

body's endogenous or internal

antioxidant system will kick up and kick

in right so you're like actually

inducing your own antioxidant process

and that even goes into to the whole

taking exogenous antioxidants isn't

necessarily that therapeutic as we

thought it was like the data around that

lately is like well it's not really

doing anything what we want is our

internal

endogenous antioxidant production

happening so if we're taking well two

questions one is not to steer away from

methylene blue but if what if you're

just naturally really low in nitric

oxide so you're taking a little bit to

kind of hit Baseline maybe not and of

course no one knows what's excessive and

what's Baseline and then number two

would there be do you think potentially

any upside to bringing oxidants into the

system to induce that endogenous

antioxidant

system what do you think great questions

the first

one would what was the first one again

well maybe people are just really low in

Nitric o gotcha and so they're taking

something to like hit Baseline yeah

you're right I know of certain protocols

that are predicated on increasing your

nitric oxide level and I haven't had the

time or ironically the energy to go down

that rabit hole and see what the thought

process is about testing your nitric

oxide level and trying to increase it

because again based on what I've read

relative to methylene

blue you actually do want your nitric

oxide levels low to your second

question yeah the whole premise of

methyl blue is inhibiting nitric oxide

production and again this is kind of an

argument or not even an argument but a

conversation I have with people that are

more well versed in this area I don't

necessarily want people that are

dogmatic about nitric oxide but I guess

you can learn their point of view

regardless but I'm honestly curious like

what what's the answer here because

nitric oxide is just a gas it's a

signaling molecule and free radicals are

a normal consequence of energy

production and so just as a byproduct of

produce an ATP you're going to have free

radicals which to your point those are

signaling to produce your own endogenous

antioxidants so to your question like

does something like ozone or something

else that um antioxidant production is

that the question well yeah just what

just your thoughts and it doesn't have

to be you know just yeah in general

because I know you're well versed in

this topic to some degree just the idea

that we're inducing oxidant production

purposely so that we can bring up our

own endogenous antioxid oxidant

production it's a mouthful no yeah I got

you I mean that's just same thing as

just building up lactic acid which is um

acidic and you don't want acid in your

body at high levels on a consistent

basis but you work out you build up that

lactic acid and then you come back a

couple days later and your muscles are

stronger so it's kind of like yeah it's

kind of exactly the hormetic stress

response so I think there is a time and

place for it for sure and I think again

the Crux of the conversation with this

nitric oxide is chronically high levels

I don't think you want zero nitric oxide

because again we need it to live it's a

signaling molecule but you don't want it

to

be high chronically right yeah well

that's my concern with chronic use of

Cialis or Viagra for folks like I had

several patients who were grandfathered

into my practice when I took over from

my mentor and several older men help

really healthy guys but they definitely

loved their Calis and Viagra

prescriptions and I'm like I don't know

about that all the time not sure that's

a great idea so anyway let's I'm I

didn't mean to steer us so far off path

so methylene blue inhibits Nitric oxygen

nitric oxide production so we know the

benefits there and then what else and

mitoch it helps with mitochondrial

function so that would mean it would

help get more oxygen into the

mitochondria I'm guessing 100%

inhibiting okay and that's literally

kind of like the same or two ways of

saying the same thing like by inhibiting

nitric oxide you're improving

mitochondrial function and energy

production yes okay that makes sense and

then how does this synergize with red

light or is that just because they're

both similarly working on mitochondria

exactly they're working similarly on

mitochondria just different mechanisms

they're both actually inhibiting or not

necessarily inhibiting but they're

dissociating that nitric oxide and this

gets a little geeky sceny but it'll for

oxygen to get into the mitochondria to

produce energy there's something called

the cytochrom C oxid a which is the

chromophor meaning it accepts light thus

once once red or near infrared light

hits that chromophor cytochrom oxidase

that nitric oxide is dissociated meaning

oxygen can now get in and so that's what

red light therapy is doing methylene

blue is just doing that from a substance

standpoint where it's literally

inhibiting nitric oxide production

they're both extremely

powerful

um I mean in that sense

reducing inflammation improving

circulation and kind of just to finish

the thought on nitric oxide the reason

why the fact that it's a vasodilator

which is true does not mean it leads to

increased oxygenation is because of this

concept of it capping the cytochrom oxid

and not allowing oxygen in so it

literally vasodilates and it may improve

circulation but it does not improve

oxygenation to tissues the best

vasodilator for our body is carbon

dioxide so carbon dioxide vasodilates

and it oxygenates via the bore effect

and so that's kind of the interesting

story here is that they're both vasod

dilators but only one meaning nitric

oxide or carbon dioxide only one of

those to actually oxygenates the

tissue okay interesting so carbon

dioxide is not as bad as we thought it

was isn't it funny everything has such a

specific role that we think we

understand and then we find out it does

all these other things and it's like I

don't know I want to kick my early 90s

Science Education out the door but then

there's so much there that was valuable

and still you know applicable it just

makes you it just makes you think we

can't there's no end note to this you

know we have to constantly be educating

ourselves and I share this because I was

talking to my husband the other night

saying I was shocked at how few of my

colleagues keep up with research you

know and like I feel like that's the job

of a doctor like that's part of our job

is to stay up and we can't stay up on

everything but we certainly should stay

up on the things that are important and

at least common right my mentor always

taught me like stay a breast of what's

common so really understanding the most

commonly prescribed Pharmaceuticals

really just staying a breast on what's

Happening and I think that we don't do

that but there's so much of this

information coming out like NAD like

that's such an interesting topic too and

how necessary that step is and everybody

went rushing towards NAD production but

also on that note I found studies

showing that excess NAD plus production

might be not so good so there's anyway

these are it's like new info on Old

theories that we need to keep up with

and yet we still don't

know ever evolving ever evolving yes

ever evolving is the word is there any

impact on NAD production with red light

and methylene blue do you know

or that pathway that's a good question I

I don't know specifically about that

pathway it certainly wouldn't hurt it

because again if you're improving the

the functioning in the the health so to

speak of the mitochondria you're kind of

helping boost its ability to function

altogether so um mitoch or sorry not

mitochondria methylene blue does seem to

help ramp up uh the NAD to nadh ratio so

there is some uh potential benefit there

the amount of research in methylene

Bloon this isn't to say there isn't a a

healthy amount but there just isn't as

much compared to

photobiomodulation and as you can see

we've actually added some nmn into our

product it's not to the amounts that you

would take let's say if you're taking a

NAD supplement on a daily basis it's

kind of a

um low dose it's just another way to

boost mitochondrial health and if you

see at the bottom of the ingredients on

on bio there's fulvic acid and that's

the ingredient that helps drive all of

the ingredients deeper into the cell

theoretically and that's kind of one of

the main proponents or one of the main

benefits of fulvic acid is that it

drives anything you're consuming

ingredients or Foods or what have you

just deeper into your body so you absorb

more and so it doesn't take as much um

kind of speaking towards the nmn it's

not like there's a high dose of nmn in

the bio product but with a fulvic acid

it probably gets a little deeper yeah

and then you've got liquid gold and

liquid silver Nano liquid gold and

liquid silver can you talk about that

yeah so either of those have their own

uh photo dnamic properties uh with and

they're also called let's say colloidal

gold or colloidal silver same thing Nano

okay Nano gold nano silver so there's

some brain benefits there's some

cognitive benefits anti-inflammatory

benefits with the gold and again has its

own set of photodynamic properties

same thing with silver except that has

some more let's say antimicrobial

properties some wound healing properties

and then its own set of photodynamic

properties so since we're kind of

building it around this mitochondrial

health concept backs slash redl therapy

synergist we just wanted to add some

ingredients that would enhance again the

target towards mitochondrial health and

for those that want to use methylene

blue with red light therapy adding that

gold and silver would also enhance some

of those photo dnamic properties I love

that it's so cool we're like little

photosynthesizing

beings truly I tried to tell people that

when I was back in medical school I was

running around in 2008 telling people

that our mitochondria

photosynthesized and they all laughed at

me W they all called me names I didn't

have the science I just knew it I was

like based on what I understand so

mitochondria are bacteria guys for

everyone listening people don't realize

that mitochondria are symbol iotic

bacteria that live in our bodies that we

would die without in milliseconds so

that's crazy and when I learned that I

wrote a whole paper on it I was like way

ahead of the curve Mike I wrote a paper

about mitochondria when I was in

undergrad like in the early 90s I was

writing about because I was blown away

that mitochondria were bacterium I

learned it in one of my basic science

classes and then I wrote another so that

was like check you know that was an

early adapter on that one there were a

couple other things I did that sort of

like prefused My Life coming but anyway

I'm looking right now so for I mentioned

the cert one pathway for folks who don't

know it activates mitochondrial signals

and Pathways regulating the expression

levels of genes crucial for the

proliferation and ATP production and

then I looked up methylene blue and it

does activate the CER one pathway so

that's pretty rad because the that whole

pathway I just did a podcast about fatty

liver and that whole pathway is really

critical to Fat deposition in the liver

or L you know keeping it safe actually

so when that pathway goes sideways we

start packing on fat and we specifically

start packing on fat in the liver which

is not good for anyone who hasn't

listened to that episode go back and

listen to it so this means that

potentially and I'm looking at this

study right here that methylene blue may

actually help with fatty liver and

through that pathway which is really

cool so well we're not talking about

promoting a a treating anything but it's

just nice to know how we can support

certain Pathways well also one of the

biggest things about methylene blue and

I don't know if you know this yet Dr

Tina methylene blue was the first

pharmaceutical

drug

ever I think I did know that as an

antimalarial and this is back in the

late

1800s so it's a major major anti viral

profound results I mean there's some

case studies of people getting cured in

48 hours with like a doser two of

methylene blue just like a dose you or I

would take nothing huge and so then it's

powerful when you combine red light

therapy and methylene blue for like the

West Nile V virus Ebola zika herpes um

hepatitis A so as far as like an immune

boosting or if you want to call it an

antiviral it's extremely extremely

powerful by itself but even more so when

you combine it with red light therapy

well and it's antibacterial too you know

at my age I'm heading on to 50 and

there's definitely some cognition issues

happening it's I don't know it's pre per

menopause who knows what it is but it's

definitely a thing that and I only

notice it because I'm a really high

functioning academic like I am a high

functioning highb brain person and I've

always had a lot of pride in that and so

I don't think most people notice their

cognition wavering because they're most

people aren't actually trying to perform

at a really high level cognitively you

know I'm not dissing anyone it's just

unless you are actively in that world

you don't notice when your brain isn't

working like it used to so I've noticed

that and I know that methylene blue

really helps me with that um it's

something I cycle I don't I cycle

everything I don't say on anything for a

extended period of time I always cycle

stuff and however many months I cycle is

depends on what I'm doing usually it's

like 90 days on you know a month off

whatever because I want receptors and

everything to be clean but the other

thing I've noticed in this age group is

our as our estrogen is dropping a lot of

women will end up with vaginal atrophy

it's super common it gets worse with

stress and that vaginal atrophy can be

treated very successfully with some

topical estrogen but that's a pain in

the ass but it's still a necessary

treatment that I think most women are

being they're having withheld they're

not getting that disussed by their

doctor with them and so they end up with

this sort of lowgrade chronic UTI thing

that persists especially if they remain

sexually active which I hope they do so

I love methylene blue because and I've

always had UTI like I once you're once

you have a bad UTI you're kind of prone

to them for life it sucks so I have a

propensity for them and the thing I've

noticed about taking methylene blue

regularly is that absolutely no concern

with that like it staves off UTI and

it's shown in the literature to do so as

well because it's so antimicrobial so

it's plus adding in that I mean

colloidal silver is another one that I

use for that so that's an awesome side

effect ladies if you're listening I know

that a lot of the listeners to my show

are my age they're middle women are

older go get your doctor to hand you

some topical estrogen for your vagina

and for your vaginal tissue so it

doesn't atrophy and Shrink away that's

terrible well because it leads to

Chronic UTI for a lot of women they

don't realize what's happening and those

can go systemic and kill you people

don't realize this a lot of old people

die of UTI and the older you get for

some reason the less symptomatic you

become so a lot of folks in my practice

I took care of a lot of geriatric folks

and they had no idea they even had a UTI

men and women so all that to say

methylene blue is a wonderful cognitive

protector and it'll give you this

awesome side effect of helping you not

get potentially viruses and bacteria

systemically but also urinary tract

health so that's a good one we like that

that's my side rant unrelated that's

that's a good rant though that's a good

rant oh speaking of genitals red light

down there do you want to talk about

that I have long known that red light to

the testicles improves testosterone

production I would love to if you have

any more information on that I would

love to talk about that because I just

think it's a great treatment to just

shine on your NE nether regions did we

talk about this last time or not do you

remember I don't know I don't remember

if we did so this is like my boilerplate

answer so I don't have any updated

information Dr Tina um okay there's like

nothing in the research there's no

PubMed articles there's nothing um to

your point the more people I've talked

to either personally or or I've seen on

Instagram they tout the testosterone

boosting benefits of red light therapy

so as someone who is offering it as a

product it's not like I

am I'm I'm basically telling them what

I'm telling you which is there's no

research behind it but there's a lot of

strong anecdotal evidence and I've even

had some people show me the results when

they use their not 23 and me but what is

a what is a panel that a popular panel

people take that shows test testosterone

oh I don't know the Dutch test I don't

know it doesn't matter I guess but

anyway they showed me their levels and

the inflection point was insane it's

like this is literally when I started

red light therapy and my testosterone

was

like are they using it all over their

body or are they using it on their

testicles both oh wow so they are

they're doing like full body treatments

but they're also intentionally treating

their testicles for testosterone

boosting properties and like without a

doubt they're seeing the results wow

that's amazing oh here's so funny I pull

this up I type in red light on testicles

testosterone into Google and it says one

Medical Professional who spoke to verify

said red light could do more harm to

testosterone levels than good the

propaganda it's so funny well the reason

I found you and your company BioLite

which I love is because I was looking

for a red light company and I ran into a

friend who lives locally she's a

follower and she was pregnant and I know

that she'd been trying to get pregnant

for a long time and she'd had some

health issues and she was like it's the

red light I've been using this panel she

gave her other competitor brand away to

her parents and she started using your

bu I think it was the desktop version

yeah yeah and she got pregnant and she

swore by it and so I have been looking

into red light and hormones and you know

you're right there's not a ton of

literature on it but

it's anecdotally people are reporting

great things well not to keep harping on

nitric oxide but um

excess amounts in your body actually

leads to decreased testosterone so how

ironic is that that it was a preworkout

for the bodybuilders back in the day

probably still today right like they're

promoting that it increases the pump it

increases increases muscle gain

testosterone and increases your

impotence so does

beer I just want to throw that in

because beer is an estrogen tincture and

it's know it's like thought of as this

like manly drink and it's really just a

hoppy estrogen D like there are few

herbs that directly promote a hormone

and hops directly promotes estrogen from

what I my training from what I

understand so yeah keep your uh nitric

oxide high and your your beer intake

high oh and marijuana does the same

thing marijuana tanks out your

testosterone so yeah we think about all

of these variables and so does obviously

metabolic poor metabolic health I mean

that's like the number one it's so weird

we live in this country full like very

very terrible metabolic health and then

people are pumping testosterone into

them and not doing any of the other

things to support their metabolic health

and then it starts to aromatase into

estrogen and they wonder why these

studies come out showing you know

adverse effects it's like putting a

product into a dumpster fire yep doesn't

go well the pathways aren't working you

know so we got to do all the things

people and then we can use these bioh

hacks or whatever you want these tools

these you know these advantageous tools

to get us closer to our goals I do think

though as far as like an

allterrain product or treatment I

honestly like methylene blue is

allterrain for Real on for I mean this

is like something I travel with little

trokies methylene blue trokies because

they just get you out of so many pinches

like it really is such a like you said

to the antiviral effect Etc and then

this I travel with my little red light

like the two of those are allterrain

vehicles for a myriad of concerns and

potential benefits so I'm a big

fan what else what have we not

mentioned well just to kind of piggyback

on your thought process there like the

only two tools that we have at least

that we know of right now that can

dissociate that nitric oxide and thus

allow oxygen into the mitochondria and

allow that efficient energy production

the only two things that can do that are

methylene blue and red light therapy

really mhm wow so again at least use one

or the other but combining them together

you get that nice synergistic benefit um

but again as far as restoring metabolic

health or as far as restoring

mitochondrial function like those are

the two biggest ones I can think of that

is such a good point you make folks

don't realize that they you know I don't

talk enough about it on my platform but

really at the Crux of everything as your

mitochondrial health so we can talk

about you know eating more protein and

strength training and doing all these

things which will help your mitochondria

for sure and adding muscle to your body

will add mitochondria to your frame but

if you have very sick mitochondria and

that can be from a variety of reasons

you could be overly poisoned which is

not uncommon in today's society you know

glyphosate all the things you could um

have had poisoning through

Pharmaceuticals that you've taken in the

past you know we know the things like

cypro which was handed out like candy in

the 90s big mitochondria poisoner that's

what being flocked is those are the

fluoroquinolone drugs so there's all

kinds of ways that people end up with

really poorly functioning mitochondria I

think you could probably be born into it

I was not in great mitochondrial shape

when I gave birth and my daughter has a

lot of symptoms of low mitochondrial

function so we want to build

mitochondria and add it to our frame but

via muscle but we also want to help what

we have work better and when you do that

metabolic Health improves and without

that metabolic Health really just

Putters along so the folks who are

emailing me or dming me saying I'm doing

I'm trying everything it's just not

working maybe start with mitochondrial

Health at its core and that includes

going out and seeing you know getting

red light from The Horizon when you can

and I can't always in Oregon so that's

that funny this morning I was sitting

with this adjacent to my eyes you know

at eye level while I kind of went about

my morning because I'm like I need my

red light because it's all cloudy

outside can't I still do go out there in

the morning even with the clouds but

that's a big one you know get that's why

we talk about getting Horizon light and

that evening or afternoon early evening

uh Sun as it goes down because we want

that red light that's the point of it

it's a circadian rhythm

Setter if you will well to your point

all about the poisoning that's actually

one of the top things methling blue is

known for is it's being an antidote for

chemical let's see chemical poisonings

and overdose so whether so you're

talking about all these different drugs

or all these different like environment

pollutants and poisons that we

unfortunately accumulate during our

lifetime methylene blue seems to

be a

potent you know antidote antidote for

all of that yeah I just pulled this up

National Institutes of Health methylene

blue can act as an antidote to pesticide

poisoning That's crazy so you're talking

about good news for me I live out in

wine country where I literally get

sprayed I literally get sprayed this

field or the field behind me gets

sprayed I don't between the two I'm

probably getting hit like four to six

times a year with Wow broadleaf killer

or glyphosate it makes me crazy if I

think I just this morning actually took

a urine test to test my glyphosate

levels because I'm so concerned so this

is good to know anyway go ahead I was I

didn't mean that's a great like anecdote

within this little diet tribe we're

having it's

like with everything that's being

sprayed or again stuff you're breathing

in or consuming in your foods that you

don't even know that you're consuming

it's like to have these types of

strategies whether it's methylene blue

or sweating it out through the infrared

sauna what have you just to have these

Myriad of strategies to detoxify or

mitigate the negative side effects it's

like you only have one body you only

have one lifetime you got to make the

best of it yeah yeah and the side

effects of chronic glyphosate poisoning

are so bad I did a video the other day

on my my Instagram I took it down cuz

people were so dumb that they couldn't

actually process what I was trying to

show them they couldn't get to the end

of this I stitched a video together the

first video was a lady using tampons to

soak up the grease in her while she was

cooking ground beef I would ever do I

would never do such a thing but people

freaked I I I don't know what to do Mike

people literally freak out on me about

everything I post I thought it was funny

and of course anyone who knows me would

know that would I would not do such a

thing commercial like regular tampons

anyway at the end of it I said don't you

know be careful what you put up your

HooHa because these things are soaked

and essentially I mean they're they're

made out of cotton that's drenched in

glyphosate and of course people freaked

out about that what do we use what do we

do it's like I don't know think go to

Google start looking at options I have a

beef with dealing with Instagram and all

of that but the point being is we're

getting glyphosate everywhere it's

everywhere I know people who have lived

an organic life their entire higher Life

Organic Food organic everything because

they came from parents who were into

that and understood from so from an

early age or maybe forever and they

still have they go to these are

colleagues and they go to test their

glyphosate levels and their urine and

they Skyhigh so I mean it's it's

unavoidable it's just we're just bathing

in toxic soup every day and I don't say

that to scare anyone when you can

finally accept that as a reality you can

start to learn tools to mitigate it

because it's just a way of life we just

live in a on a planet now that is highly

polluted and we can only do the best we

can do so again methylene blue all train

all train

vehicle gives us what we need I like it

does red light help the body detoxify

does it help cells let go of garbage do

you

know I'm just guessing that is not one

of the first things that comes to my

mind when I think of red light therapy

okay I'm not saying it can't or it

doesn't maybe it helps perpetuate your

other strategies like infrared sauna and

otherwise like it does promote

circulation so whether it's your blood

circulation or your lymphatic

circulation it's going to help promote

oxygen and nutrients in and the garbage

out so in that sense but as far as like

the deep down deep detox that you get

with an infrared SAA it's a little

different I wouldn't I wouldn't shout

from the mountain top the red light

therapy is this amazing detoxer but

again it does help move stuff along and

help normalize metabolic Health yeah

well it helps with cellular metabolism

and mitochondrial function so that would

help clean up cells it's a major immune

booster I mean so that's not necessarily

detox kind of you know just a different

vertical in a way but when I think

detox correct me if I'm wrong but I just

think like sauna yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah I love my sauna my sauna Is My Jam

I love cooking the crap out of myself

when I am in my sauna I say it all the

time you know I used to tell patients

this I used to sell those little zipup

saas that your heads sticks out of I'll

link my favorite one in the show notes

to this but man I sold those like hot

cakes in my practice cuz I like wi and

out go cook the crap out of yourself Y

and then your lights turn

on and so and methylene blue and sauna

is a an awesome combo too there's a lot

of upside to that combination and just

kind of stacking these things

synergistically is really the name of

the game so yeah I think that getting

your sweat on is key and then you got to

go shower off you guys I always am lazy

and I walk around with my let my sweat

dry on me and all my toxins are being

reabsorbed okay let me ask you this Dr

Tina yeah go ahead do you sauna in the

summer I find it very difficult to do

that I do too I know I slacked all

summer to be totally honest with you I

slack me too like I enjoy the coolness

in the morning I don't want to get

sweaty before the day gets hot you know

what I mean it's tough for me to talk

myself in into into doing the sauna yeah

and I hear this from followers who live

in Florida or live in Arizona where

they're like I don't want a sauna I live

in you know like for boing heat all the

time so yeah I know I think that just

getting your sweat on is key and

honestly getting heat shock protein

induction and getting sweaty which you

could do with just going outside in some

places or working out period but working

out in a warm environment working out

outside where it's warm there's all

kinds of ways that I think could be

somewhat comparable but infrared sauna

does something different and that

infrared definitely is not you're not

going to get that as well you would from

I guess early day sun or late day sun

you'd get some depends on the time of

day you go out but I promote an infrared

sauna to folks for other health reasons

yeah it's hard it's hard I like that

sauna in the fall and winter for sure

and spring to some degree but when it's

warm outside I'm on it it's tough well

you listen to me complain about Oregon

all the time so you

know it's beautiful but it's rainy so

that's what we got got here I just love

this I always love talking to you it's

always so informative and I learn so

many new things so thank you and I

really appreciate you coming on we're

gonna put my link in the show notes that

link is an affiliate link which will

give these folks a discount and it's on

the whole store right so the Biol blue

and the red light options that are in

there yep oh I know what I had one last

question before I call

it so you guys have a mouth device for

denti right like a red light mouth

device I feel like methylene blue is

really good for gum health for gum and

teeth health I know it stains things but

I feel like just getting that

antibacterial or

antimicrobial is such a good thing to be

if you guys can tolerate it you know

swishing it around and actually use

somewhat to get it in there and then

combo with that I I don't have that

device but I could imagine I was

thinking like how can you pair these

things I was thinking that device

secondarily on top of it would be super

cool

that's one of the first things that came

to my mind coincidentally is like you

have to put in your mouth um I mean

there's trokies I don't know if you've

used trois before where you have like

these little what would you call them

like almost not gumdrops but small

little things you pack between your gum

and your cheek so that it absorbs into

your bloodstream bypasses your your

stomach and all that your liver but man

those stain the heck out of your teeth

and tongue um like those stain a deep

deep blue

for 6 8 10 hours where like when you use

um a liquid product like Biol I find

that it stains my tongue and teeth very

little relative to those Troys and maybe

for 30 to 60 minutes maybe 90 minutes

but I don't know if it's the same for

you Tina but it dissipates relatively

quickly it does that is actually a huge

upside I'm glad you mentioned that

because that's the one thing that keeps

me from taking methylene blue

consistently is I was using trokies and

then I would go about my entire day with

a blue mouth such a deep stain it's

crazy mhm and it stains your teeth and

my teeth don't need any more than that

my coffee and wine my life of coffee and

red wine love really got me on that

Dimension so no this is a great point

you make I love that I love that about

it um because it is such a vital thing

to do in the morning do you feel like

taking it too late in the day could

cause a little over

stimulation so that's what I've been

doing as long as I've been taking it and

I don't find stimulation I even like use

my cocoon right before I go to bed and I

fall asleep ra rather quickly my HRV

scores are high in the morning whereas

I've heard other people when they've

been taking methylene blue in the

evening they almost get like a restless

leg syndrome type of energy where it's

tough for them to fall asleep so just

like when we're talking about red light

therapy everyone responds a little

differently it's up for you to kind of

try it out and kind of tease out what

works best for your body then that

brings up a good point that methylene

blue has a half life of about 12 hours

so you do want to take it twice a day if

possible but again if you're a person

where it's not allowing you to fall

asleep as as normally as you would like

then maybe you push that one closer to

the mid or early afternoon just so you

can fall asleep uh more easily okay

really good information I'm glad we

brought that up because just as far as

like a safety thing because for

methylene blue I think we should touch

on is it's extremely extremely safe I've

heard of no negative consequences or

side

effects dosages even up to 400

milligrams a day is still considered in

the safe Zone but for people like you

and me we're taking like 20 to 30

milligrams a day which would be about 10

or 15 milligrams two times a day so I

don't know what you're doing and it's

even these doses where we're in the

research we're seeing these major

anti-depressive benefits and we're

seeing these effects with uh combating

Dementia or these neurod degenerative

diseases it's these low

8 to 16 milligrams per day and so the

doses I'm taking are already at that or

slightly higher all of that to say is

let's say you have come down with some

sort of sickness I'm not going to name a

particular one you might want to bump up

the

dosage from I'm just going to use myself

in as an example let's put it that way

so personally I do about 20 to 30

milligrams per day in water I dilute it

in about 3 to four ounces of water just

chug it down if I were to get sick I

would bump that up close to 80 to 100

milligrams per day for a string of days

and even that is still considered

relatively low compared to what dosages

can be all of that to say is if you take

it

within this is not medical advice but if

you're taking it in these common dosages

I'm not making these up these are what

are are commonly perpetuated in the

methylene blue world it's extremely safe

it's a it's an organic synthetic diey

it's used I kind of hate to say this but

it's used in aquarium ecosystems it's

used in to stabilize life right so

that's it's this interesting odd

metabolite so to speak that has all

these amazing benefits and just like red

light therapy I would see it as a low

risk high high reward as far as

metabolic Health yes absolutely I agree

with you I remember learning about it in

chemistry class because we used it to

stain cells exactly exactly still do

today yep yep that's not the kind you

want to be taken you don't want to be

taking chemistry class methylene blue

you want to take a higher quality one

yeah you got to be taking pharmaceutical

grade there's like three different um

qualities I forget what they are off the

top of my head but it's like yeah like

the stuff you use to dye your clothes

like like in the textile industry then

you have the stuff like you're using I

think in the aquarium life or maybe even

sustaining slides and then the stuff for

for consumption if you so choose which

is like that Pharmaceutical grade so you

have to be using that pharmaceutical

grade absolutely and if you get this on

your clothes it will stain them and if

you get it on your skin it will stain

them so be careful side note I've done

methine blue is actually using a lot of

skincare products nowadays and so this

is actually it's funny you bring this up

I don't mean to keep prolonging this

conversation but no it's interesting

there's actually something called I

think a methylene blue like a skin Redux

test where if you take a just like a

pipe head of methyl blue you put a drop

on your skin if that drop is gone in

quicker than 6 hours it means that your

cells were oxygen

deprived interesting that reminds me of

the iodine test that we used to do we

used to paint iodine on patients skin

and then see how fast that that absorbed

or if that stain remained so it could

tell iodine deficiency as well that's

interesting yep skin is cool skin tells

you a lot I love that no I'm glad I'm

glad you added that in okay okay so

where can folks find you so that they

can learn more about either red light or

methylene blue yeah so just check out

BioLite on Instagram it's biol. shop you

can check out me personally I'm Dr Mike

Bowski on Instagram or you can check me

out on LinkedIn Dr Mike Bowski the

website is also bite. shop so you can

check out all the different devices

Tina's been talking about those handheld

devices the glow the shine or the bigger

models if you want more so that full

body red light therapy treatment which

is what I promote for the systemic

benefit of red light therapy and the bio

is on there as well and yeah like Tina

said check out her link so you guys can

get that exclusive discount that she's

offering through for all bolite products

yes awesome I love it okay well this has

been so helpful I learned a lot as

always and I'll let you know I'm going

to bump up my dose I was only doing like

10 milligrams a day so I'm going to bump

it up and I will let I will give you

guys some feedback and you as well Mike

to tell you keep posted apprciate thanks

for having me

on