EP. 112: Red Light Therapy + Methylene Blue | Dr. Mike Belkowski

Dr. Tyna Moore
25 Oct 202355:06

Summary

TLDRDr. Tina interviews her friend Dr. Mike Bilowski, CEO of BioLite, to discuss red light therapy and their new methylene blue product Bio. They explain the synergistic benefits of combining red light and methylene blue, both of which help boost mitochondrial health and energy production. Dr. Mike details how methylene blue selectively helps dysfunctional cells and accumulates in the brain to provide cognitive benefits. They also touch on the downsides of excess nitric oxide, the antimicrobial properties of methylene blue, using red light on reproductive organs to potentially increase testosterone, and more.

Takeaways

  • 😀 Methylene blue is a powerful antiviral and can help treat conditions like West Nile virus, Ebola, Zika, herpes and hepatitis A.
  • 💊 Methylene blue selectively targets metabolically inefficient cells that need the most help.
  • 🧠 Methylene blue accumulates in the brain providing benefits for cognition, mood, depression and neurodegenerative diseases.
  • ⚡️ Methylene blue and red light therapy work synergistically to boost mitochondrial health, energy, circulation and decrease inflammation.
  • 🔬 Excess nitric oxide inhibits oxygen from entering the electron transport chain needed to produce ATP energy.
  • 😷 Methylene blue can help treat urinary tract infections and vaginal atrophy issues in women.
  • 🩺 Methylene blue was the first pharmaceutical drug ever, used historically as an antimalarial.
  • 🏋️‍♂️ Nitric oxide supplements may acutely boost energy and pumps but chronically high levels can decrease testosterone.
  • 🤯 Methylene blue is an antidote for pesticide poisoning and helps detox chemical pollutants.
  • 💡 Take methylene blue earlier in the day if it affects your sleep. The half life is around 12 hours.

Q & A

  • What are some of the key benefits of methylene blue?

    -Some key benefits of methylene blue include improving mitochondrial health and energy production, boosting brain function and cognition, providing antiviral and antimicrobial properties, and helping to treat conditions like depression and dementia.

  • How does methylene blue interact with nitric oxide in the body?

    -Methylene blue inhibits nitric oxide production. While nitric oxide can provide some acute benefits like vasodilation, chronic high levels can become neurotoxic. By inhibiting nitric oxide, methylene blue allows more oxygen to enter the mitochondria and improve energy production.

  • What makes methylene blue synergistic with red light therapy?

    -Both methylene blue and red light therapy work to improve mitochondrial health and function. They do this through different mechanisms, but combining them has a synergistic effect, like "pouring gasoline onto the fire" of their mitochondrial-boosting properties.

  • How safe is pharmaceutical grade methylene blue at recommended doses?

    -Pharmaceutical grade methylene blue is considered very safe at doses from 8 to 30 mg per day. Much higher doses up to 400 mg per day are still considered safe for short term use. It has been used as a pharmaceutical drug for over 100 years.

  • Can red light therapy help increase testosterone levels in men?

    -There is limited research but significant anecdotal evidence that shining red light on the testicles can help boost testosterone production in men. Some people have shown lab test results confirming major testosterone increases after starting red light treatments.

  • Why should you not combine red light therapy with infrared sauna?

    -The heat from an infrared sauna can inhibit the benefits of red light therapy. While using them on the same day is fine, you should not use red light while inside the infrared sauna itself.

  • How might methylene blue and red light therapy help treat illnesses?

    -Combined they can be extremely powerful antivirals, with some dramatic case reports of illnesses resolved in just 48 hours. The combination boosts immune function and metabolic health to help the body fight infections.

  • What causes vaginal atrophy and urinary tract issues in aging women?

    -Declining estrogen levels leading to vaginal tissue thinning and dryness is a major cause. This also increases vulnerability to UTIs. Maintaining vaginal health and using antimicrobials like methylene blue may help prevent UTIs.

  • Can methylene blue help remove toxins and pollutants from the body?

    -Yes, methylene blue is known as an antidote for removing many chemical toxins and environmental pollutants. It seems to bind to toxins and facilitate their safe removal from the body.

  • Why avoid taking methylene blue too close to bedtime?

    -For some people, taking methylene blue later in the day can overstimulate the body and make it harder to fall asleep normally. It's best to take it early/mid-day unless you know late doses don't affect your sleep.

Outlines

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🗣 Introducing the guests and topics to be discussed

Dr. Tina introduces her guest Dr. Mike Bilowski, CEO of BioLite, her favorite red light therapy company. They will be discussing methylene blue and red light therapy, which work synergistically to boost mitochondrial health by increasing energy, decreasing inflammation, and improving circulation.

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🚫 Don't combine red light therapy with infrared sauna therapy

Dr. Mike explains that you should not combine red light therapy with infrared sauna therapy, as the heat from the sauna inhibits the benefits of red light. You can do them separately within 30-60 minutes of each other.

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💙 Methylene blue and nitric oxide inhibition benefits

Dr. Mike explains how methylene blue inhibits nitric oxide, allowing more oxygen into cells to produce ATP energy. This improves mitochondrial and metabolic health. Excess nitric oxide over time can become toxic and increase risk of neurodegenerative diseases.

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😷 Methylene blue helps detox chemical poisons

Dr. Mike notes that methylene blue is known for detoxing chemical poisons and overdoses, whether from pharmaceuticals, pollutants, or other toxins that accumulate in the body over time.

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♂️ Anecdotal benefits of red light therapy for testosterone

While there is no research yet, Dr. Mike shares there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that using red light therapy on the testicles can significantly boost testosterone levels.

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🌡 Difficulty using sauna in summer heat

Dr. Tina and Dr. Mike discuss how they both find it difficult to use the infrared sauna regularly during the summer months when it is already hot outside.

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😷 Methylene blue helps treat chronic UTI issues

Dr. Tina shares how taking methylene blue regularly helps prevent recurrent UTIs, likely due to its antimicrobial properties. This is very helpful for women as they age and estrogen drops.

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👩‍⚕️ Importance of doctors keeping up with latest research

Dr. Tina emphasizes the importance of doctors staying current on latest research and common treatments, yet notes many of her colleagues do not make this a priority.

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😀 Methylene blue helps antidote pesticide poisoning

Dr. Tina shares research showing methylene blue can act as an antidote for pesticide poisoning, which is helpful given her frequent exposure to agricultural spraying.

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😴 Caution taking methylene blue too late affects sleep

Dr. Mike advises caution taking methylene blue too late in the day, as its 12 hour half life may make it harder to fall asleep for some people who get overstimulated.

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💊 Methylene blue is extremely safe at common doses

Dr. Mike emphasizes that at the typical daily doses of 20-30 mg, methylene blue is extremely safe with no known side effects. Even doses of up to 400 mg per day are still considered safe.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡mitochondria

Mitochondria are organelles inside cells that produce energy. They are referred to as "powerhouses of the cell". The video discusses improving mitochondrial health through supplements like methylene blue and therapies like red light. Healthy mitochondria lead to more energy production, which helps fight diseases. For example, methylene blue "selectively targets the cells that need help the most" with mitochondrial dysfunction.

💡methylene blue

Methylene blue is an organic dye that was the first pharmaceutical drug used historically as an antimalarial. Today it is used as a supplement to improve energy, brain function, and treat diseases by supporting mitochondrial health. For example, it "accumulates in your brain" to provide "amazing brain health benefits" related to cognition and mood.

💡red light therapy

Red light therapy involves exposing the body to red wavelengths of light. Like methylene blue, it helps improve mitochondrial function and health. The video discusses combining red light therapy and methylene blue as "pouring gasoline onto the fire" to boost their synergistic benefits - improving energy, decreasing inflammation, enhancing circulation and fighting viruses.

💡nitric oxide

Nitric oxide is a signaling molecule and free radical the body produces. It was thought to improve health but the video explains chronically high nitric oxide causes harm, inhibiting mitochondrial function. Methylene blue inhibits nitric oxide, allowing more oxygen to produce energy. Red light therapy also removes nitric oxide bound in cells for this purpose.

💡antimicrobial

Methylene blue has antimicrobial properties, meaning it kills viruses, bacteria and other microorganisms. This helps fight infections and the video mentions it prevents UTIs. It can also be used as an "all-terrain vehicle" to travel with and get "out of so many pinches" related to health issues.

💡detoxification

Detoxification refers to eliminating toxins and waste from the body. Though red light therapy helps circulation, infrared sauna is likely more useful for detoxification through heavy sweating. The video recommends combining sweat-inducing sauna with methylene blue intake for further detoxification benefits.

💡hormones

Hormones like testosterone and estrogen are chemical messengers controlling bodily functions. Though lacking research, red light applied to testicles may naturally boost testosterone. Conversely, substances like marijuana and alcohol negatively affect testosterone levels according to the speakers.

💡synergy

Synergy refers to the interaction or cooperation of two or more substances to produce an effect greater than their individual effects. Red light therapy and methylene blue are described as having synergy - working via different mechanisms but complementing each other's mitochondrial and health benefits.

💡cognition

Cognition refers to mental faculties like memory, attention and problem solving. Both red light and methylene blue are said to offer cognitive benefits. For example, methylene blue "accumulates in your brain" and the video host credits it with turning her brain "on", improving her cognition and focus.

💡glyphosate

Glyphosate is an herbicide, often in Roundup weed killer, considered highly toxic with links to cancer, mitochondrial damage and more. The host is exposed to glyphosate sprayed on adjacent fields and emphasizes detox strategies like methylene blue to reduce its harm.

Highlights

Methylene blue was the first pharmaceutical drug ever, used as an antimalarial in the late 1800s

Methylene blue selectively helps the cells in your body that need it most and accumulates in your brain

Methylene blue and red light therapy work synergistically together to boost mitochondrial health

Excess nitric oxide over time becomes a neurotoxin, increasing risk of cardiovascular disease and neurodegeneration

Carbon dioxide is actually a better vasodilator than nitric oxide because it also oxygenates tissues

Red light therapy and methylene blue are the only two things known to dissociate nitric oxide and allow oxygen into mitochondria

Methylene blue is a potent antidote for chemical poisonings and environmental pollutants we accumulate

Anecdotal evidence shows red light therapy to the testicles increases testosterone, but no formal research yet

Beer is actually an estrogen tincture that directly promotes estrogen production

Marijuana also decreases testosterone levels in men

Methylene blue is antimicrobial and prevents UTIs in women

The liquid form of methylene blue doesn't stain teeth and tongue as long as troches do

Take methylene blue earlier in the day if it affects your sleep

Methylene blue is extremely safe even at higher doses like 400mg per day

A skin test with methylene blue can show if your skin cells are oxygen deprived

Transcripts

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on this episode of the Dr Tina show I

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invited my friend Dr Mike belowski back

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on the show he is the CEO of BioLite my

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favorite red light company and he's

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released a new product called bio which

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is a methylene blue product that I am

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totally in love with I wanted to bring

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them on the show so we could talk all

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things methylene blue and red light they

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are two of my favorite tools that I use

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for boosting my mitochondrial health and

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they work synergistic together to do

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awesome things inside the body Dr Mike

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and I always have a great time talking

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and nerding out and learning from one

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another and this episode was no

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different I learned so many new things

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and I know you will too let's jump in Dr

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Mike belowski thank you so much for

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coming on the Dr Tina show yet again you

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are a return guest and you are the CEO

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of BioLite my favorite red light company

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and you have come on today we're going

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to talk about methylene blue and your

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new product and red light combo so I'm

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very excited to have you Dr Tina thanks

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for having me on as always it's always

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it's always fun when we get together and

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have a little conversation I know we do

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we talk about good stuff it's always

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I've been on your podcast a few times

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and we always get into good conversation

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so this one will be no different so you

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recently were so helpful to me I had

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that skin cancer scare thank God it was

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negative and I immediately went into

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research mode and started researching

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red light for skin cancer I mean I was

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just trying to cover all my bases so I

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reached out to my smartest friends you

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were one of them and I was like hey what

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do you know about this and you were so

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gracious and helpful and for me in my

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research and then you mentioned that you

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guys were just releasing this bio

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product this methylene blue and I got

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very excited you sent me some and I've

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been using it I love it I love methylene

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blue so let's talk about red light and

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methylene blue and how it all goes

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together hold on so I've also got my

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favorite BioLite unit which you are you

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guys discontinuing this one um in a

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sense yes just because we're upgrading

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to a

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newer model of the shine so the quote

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unquote newer shine which is going to be

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officially released here probably in

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November aesthetically it looks nice I

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don't know if you've seen pictures of it

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but functionally it has more LEDs within

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the exact same surface area as the one

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you just showed us so instead of 12 LEDs

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there's 15 so you can argue the pros and

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cons of that but equally or maybe most

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importantly is there's a third function

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because with yours Tina you can do red

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and near infrared combo and so every

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other row is red and then the alternate

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rows are near infrared

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correct yeah whereas on this new shine

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when you do the red near infrared combo

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all LEDs all 15 LEDs emit red and near

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infrared at the same time oh fancy okay

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yeah so that's one aspect and then what

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I was ultimately getting to is there's a

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fourth light setting because you can do

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red near infrared combo you can do red

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light only if you're treating the skin

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or you can do near infrared light only

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if you're treating deeper tissues like

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the brain or organs what have you but

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the fourth setting is red and near

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infrared combo plus 40 htz puls

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frequency and that 40 htz seems to be

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good for pain red reduction amongst

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other things but main main mainly pain

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reduction so we're integrating this

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pulse frequency into our into that shine

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but also our panels in the panels you

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can manually choose from zero Hertz if

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you don't want pulse frequency up to

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10,000 Hertz and there's various

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frequencies like 20 30 40 and and Beyond

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where they each have their own

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individual benefits so we're starting to

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get into this pulse frequency Health

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aspect of light as well oh that's so

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cool so are the is the pulse frequency

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available on the older units I have or

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just on the newer units going forward

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just on the newer units going forward

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it's a newer Innovation and so it's just

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a new iteration for these upcoming

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products we're releasing so cool I love

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the smaller size of this I think

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everybody should have a smaller sized

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red light I love my big panel absolutely

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but this thing is portable and it is so

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userfriendly like it goes everywhere on

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my body you know and I can utilize it

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for virtually everything I and I know I

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you and I have talked the past and if

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folks want to hear about specifics they

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can listen to the other episode we'll

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link up here your past episode but I

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actually like the near infrared heat

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emission and I like putting it up

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against my skin in certain areas when I

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have pain or whatever it is and I you've

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talked about how maybe that's not the

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best like maybe we want it actually away

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from the skin to some degree am I

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breaking some rules here no you're

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combining I think a couple of different

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concepts I think more so along the lines

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is of you don't want to combine red

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light therapy with infrared sauna

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therapy because it's the heat of the

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infrared sauna when it gets to a certain

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temperature and it's not that high it's

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like 80 or 90 degrees if you have a

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sauna that has those red lights I would

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call them more so for Ambiance but if

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you have the red lights in there or like

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you I think you've tried even with our

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restore panel to kind of use that while

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you're in the sauna based on a recent

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interview I did with Dr Prine arani who

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is a one of the more uh well resp Ed

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photobiomodulation researchers so

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someone who's literally on the ground

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floor researching red light therapy he

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told me on his interview this past

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summer I mean he he brought this up to

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me that you should not be combining

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infrared sauna and red light therapy

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because the heat from the infrared sauna

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inhibits any benefits you think you're

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getting from the red light therapy so

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it's not like it's a negative thing like

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you're causing negative side effects

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you're just not getting the red light

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therapy benit you may think you are

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getting so simply just separate them

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apart you can do them in the same day

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probably within an hour of each other or

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30 minutes of each other but just don't

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do them in tandem wow so don't use the

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heat with the red light so if I'm using

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this

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panel does that mean do one or the other

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or does no because those devices don't

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put off enough quote unquote heat I

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would call it maybe more of a warmth but

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when we're talking like a deep de uh

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detox like an infrared sauna that's more

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so the heat we're talking about yes okay

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so don't put the red lights in your

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sauna that's interesting that's really

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interesting you're the first person I've

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heard say that I feel like you mentioned

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that did you put a clip of that on your

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Instagram yeah yeah I saw that okay no

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this cements it well so I do use these

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up close and I I don't get as close to

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my big panel as I do this little guy but

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these little guys and then you have the

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glow unit as well I put those right up

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to my skin often I mean I'll use them

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I'll use them frequently actually the

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little holder they come with I'll put

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them right down on my desk right in

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front of me where right where uh between

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myself and my keyboard and I'll just

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shine it up on my thyroid just to kind

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of blast my neck and thyroid so I like

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that option as well but anyway all that

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to say these little units kickass and I

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think everybody should have one they're

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super handy and multi-purpose how does

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the methyl and

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blue interact like what how is this

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improved with red light or is it am I

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speculating no your spot on they are

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major synergists with each other so I

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mean methylene blue has its own set of

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health benefits and properties and we

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can get into that so methylene blue red

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light Synergy yeah they each have their

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own set of health benefits they're quite

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similar but they operate differently

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mechanistically and we can get into the

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health benefits of methylene blue but a

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lot of it is working on mitochondrial

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health and then of course red light

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therapy we know that's what it's working

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upon as well and essentially when you

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combine the to it's like pouring

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gasoline onto the fire like the fire are

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the benefits of the mitochondrial

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boosting properties increasing energy

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decreasing inflammation improving

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circulation so on and so forth but again

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when you combine them together it's like

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dumping the gasoline on onto that

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proverbial fire a couple of cool things

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about methylene blue that I think people

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should know and it's almost it's

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mind-blowing even as I say it methylene

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blue

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selectively it has an innate

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intelligence meaning it knows like once

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you consume it whether you consume it

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straight from the dropper or if you

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combine it or dilute it with some water

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it doesn't matter once you consume it

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the methylene

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blue helps the cells that need it most

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so when you consume it in your body it

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selectively helps the the cells that are

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most metabolically inefficient or

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metabolically dysfunctional which is

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just another way of saying mitochondrial

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dysfunction so for whatever reason and I

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don't know how or why this this is but

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again it selectively targets the cells

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that need help the most secondly even

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regardless of that first statement the

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preponderance of the methylene blue does

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accumulate in your brain which is why

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you see all of these amazing brain

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health benefits as it relates to

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methylene blue and that's um depression

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it's uh PTSD dementia anything

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neurodegenerative just boosting your

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energy and mood and and cognition all of

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that happens with the consumption of

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methylene blue um it's so good for

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cognition I've used it for years and I

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love how it I mean it's not great when

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your mouth turns blue and you have to

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get on video so I didn't drink it this

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morning but I mean it seriously kicks

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but to the point where my husband's like

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Hey where's our methylene blue like

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where's the blue stuff because it just

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turns your brain on and it makes it

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turns you into a machine it's great yeah

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and just like red light therapy in the

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sense that the the less energy you have

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at a cellular level or the sicker you

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are the more of a benefit you're going

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to notice same thing with methylene blue

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if you're metabolically inefficient so

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you're low energy at a cellular level

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and we know that our brain is the most

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mitochondrial dense tissue meaning it's

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the most energy intensive tissue in the

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body then lo and behold when you add

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something that is going to boost the

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health and function of the the

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mitochondria it makes sense that your

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your brain is going to uh see a lot of

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those benefits yeah it's good it's good

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in the morning it's good with my coffee

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I feel like there's a Synergy between

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caffeine and methylene blue do you know

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of any I don't know if I would say

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Synergy but just based on what I've read

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and this is a whole other rabbit hole if

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you want to go down it but one of the

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main reasons why methylene blue has so

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many benefits is because it's a nitric

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oxide

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inhibitor which goes against the common

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theme that that I grew up with which is

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nitric oxide equals good well actually

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nitric oxide equals unhealthy and again

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that's a whole different die tribe we

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can go down but all of that to say two

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of the most powerful nitric oxide

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inhibiting metabolites are methylene

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blue and

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caffeine so a lot of the benefits you're

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getting from caffeine are actually from

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its nitric oxide inhibiting properties

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interesting you know I have been reading

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various things here and there

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about how maybe nitric oxide being high

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Is Not Great And yet when I take

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supplements that induce nitric oxide I

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feel better I have a blast of energy but

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I from the reading I've seen here and

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there I'm like maybe this isn't so great

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so like I'd love to hear what you know

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about that so you're just not dispelling

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you're Illuminating exactly what happens

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when you start consuming nitric oxide

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you get this acute benefit and it truly

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is a benefit you get that more energy

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you truly get that Vaso dilation and all

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this goes back into the late 1980s early

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1990s when chemists or or whomever were

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in the Laboratories developing Viagra

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and then Viagra came onto the scene and

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the big hero of that drug is nitric

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oxide leads to vasod dilation leads to

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increased blood flow and then shortly

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thereafter well during that whole halalu

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of of Viagra of of course the mainstream

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media ran away with that the scientists

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took that to heart and it was like

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nitric oxide equals good nitric oxide

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equals healthy nitric oxide equals

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vasodilation which equals good but

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that's only part of the story and we'll

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we'll get to it here in a moment then we

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have shortly after that the bodybuilder

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community and they run away with this

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whole concept of nitric oxide and

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vasodilation and how that gives you a

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bigger pump and how it gives you more

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oxygenation and all this stuff which is

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inherently false and again I grew up on

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this Paradigm so when I learned this not

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too long ago my world got flipped a

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little bit upside down and sideways and

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so the reason why let me back up just a

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moment here Tina the thought process is

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you consume nitric oxide it causes

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vasodilation that's supposed to improve

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your circulation it's supposed to

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improve your oxygenation and all as well

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and again that's true in the acute phase

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an acute can be a couple of weeks not

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necessarily hours or even days but be a

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couple of weeks where you see this nice

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benefit from consuming nitric oxide but

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then the benefits kind of disappear they

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kind of fall off the cliff and when you

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start consuming or you have excessive

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nitric oxide on a consistent level it

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actually becomes a neurotoxin it

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actually increases cardiovascular health

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diseases it increases your chances of

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ALS and dementia and Alzheimer's and

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anything neurod degenerative and again

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again that's nitric oxide in excess

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nitric oxide is a normal byproduct that

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our body produces right but again when

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you're consuming it in excess like these

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supplements or like I was doing these

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pre-workouts or these drugs like Viagra

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that promote nitric oxide production

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it's actually causing degeneration to

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your body and a couple decades ago there

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was the nitric oxide Theory of Aging

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just like there's a free radical Theory

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of Aging nitric oxide is a free radical

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it's literally an electron stealer and

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so people that have been following me or

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listening to my podcast and we talk

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about raising your voltage and that just

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means getting as many electrons accruing

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as many electrons as possible that could

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be from food it could be from

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supplements it could be from grounding

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could be from red light therapy could be

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from anything truly that benefits the

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mitochondria well again n or nitric

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oxide is a free radical it's an electron

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stealer so even from that fundamental

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level it's like well it's probably not

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good for you and so to oh go ahead I was

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going to ask you a question yeah to

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bring this full circle so it makes a

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little more sense and again remember

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methylene blue is a Nitro oxide

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inhibitor which is why we're talking

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about this so nitric oxide does cause

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vasodilation but it also inhibits oxygen

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from entering your electron transport

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chain which you need that oxygen to

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produce ATP ATP is your token of energy

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and so again if we have excessive nitric

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oxide that means more and more of your

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mitochondria are dysfunctional and then

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you go down that that whole rabbit hole

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we talked about in my previous interview

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with you where you want more energy per

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cell because more energy per cell equals

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health and vitality the less energy you

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have per cell or the less ATP you have

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per cell the more disease you have per

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cell so again if nitric oxide is

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continuously disallowing oxygen from

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coming into that energy producing

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Factory then then if it's in excess

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you're decreasing your body's Vitality

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your energy production and so anything

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that inhibits nitric oxide is going to

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thus allow oxygen into that electron

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transport chain produce ATP and your

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mitochondria are happy your body's happy

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so on and so forth but in a nutshell

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that's the argument against nitric oxide

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and that's the main one of the main

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reasons why methylene blue does what it

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does so well

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okay so question and or just thoughts in

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the ozone community so I used to be into

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ozone and I still love ozone but putting

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ozone into joints and you know using

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ozone therapeutically the idea is if you

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introduce these free radicals into the

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body then the

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body's endogenous or internal

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antioxidant system will kick up and kick

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in right so you're like actually

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inducing your own antioxidant process

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and that even goes into to the whole

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taking exogenous antioxidants isn't

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necessarily that therapeutic as we

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thought it was like the data around that

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lately is like well it's not really

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doing anything what we want is our

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internal

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endogenous antioxidant production

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happening so if we're taking well two

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questions one is not to steer away from

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methylene blue but if what if you're

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just naturally really low in nitric

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oxide so you're taking a little bit to

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kind of hit Baseline maybe not and of

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course no one knows what's excessive and

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what's Baseline and then number two

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would there be do you think potentially

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any upside to bringing oxidants into the

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system to induce that endogenous

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antioxidant

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system what do you think great questions

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the first

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one would what was the first one again

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well maybe people are just really low in

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Nitric o gotcha and so they're taking

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something to like hit Baseline yeah

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you're right I know of certain protocols

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that are predicated on increasing your

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nitric oxide level and I haven't had the

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time or ironically the energy to go down

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that rabit hole and see what the thought

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process is about testing your nitric

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oxide level and trying to increase it

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because again based on what I've read

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relative to methylene

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blue you actually do want your nitric

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oxide levels low to your second

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question yeah the whole premise of

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methyl blue is inhibiting nitric oxide

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production and again this is kind of an

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argument or not even an argument but a

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conversation I have with people that are

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more well versed in this area I don't

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necessarily want people that are

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dogmatic about nitric oxide but I guess

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you can learn their point of view

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regardless but I'm honestly curious like

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what what's the answer here because

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nitric oxide is just a gas it's a

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signaling molecule and free radicals are

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a normal consequence of energy

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production and so just as a byproduct of

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produce an ATP you're going to have free

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radicals which to your point those are

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signaling to produce your own endogenous

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antioxidants so to your question like

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does something like ozone or something

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else that um antioxidant production is

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that the question well yeah just what

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just your thoughts and it doesn't have

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to be you know just yeah in general

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because I know you're well versed in

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this topic to some degree just the idea

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that we're inducing oxidant production

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purposely so that we can bring up our

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own endogenous antioxid oxidant

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production it's a mouthful no yeah I got

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you I mean that's just same thing as

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just building up lactic acid which is um

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acidic and you don't want acid in your

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body at high levels on a consistent

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basis but you work out you build up that

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lactic acid and then you come back a

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couple days later and your muscles are

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stronger so it's kind of like yeah it's

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kind of exactly the hormetic stress

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response so I think there is a time and

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place for it for sure and I think again

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the Crux of the conversation with this

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nitric oxide is chronically high levels

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I don't think you want zero nitric oxide

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because again we need it to live it's a

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signaling molecule but you don't want it

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to

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be high chronically right yeah well

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that's my concern with chronic use of

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Cialis or Viagra for folks like I had

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several patients who were grandfathered

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into my practice when I took over from

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my mentor and several older men help

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really healthy guys but they definitely

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loved their Calis and Viagra

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prescriptions and I'm like I don't know

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about that all the time not sure that's

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a great idea so anyway let's I'm I

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didn't mean to steer us so far off path

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so methylene blue inhibits Nitric oxygen

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nitric oxide production so we know the

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benefits there and then what else and

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mitoch it helps with mitochondrial

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function so that would mean it would

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help get more oxygen into the

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mitochondria I'm guessing 100%

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inhibiting okay and that's literally

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kind of like the same or two ways of

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saying the same thing like by inhibiting

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nitric oxide you're improving

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mitochondrial function and energy

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production yes okay that makes sense and

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then how does this synergize with red

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light or is that just because they're

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both similarly working on mitochondria

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exactly they're working similarly on

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mitochondria just different mechanisms

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they're both actually inhibiting or not

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necessarily inhibiting but they're

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dissociating that nitric oxide and this

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gets a little geeky sceny but it'll for

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oxygen to get into the mitochondria to

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produce energy there's something called

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the cytochrom C oxid a which is the

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chromophor meaning it accepts light thus

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once once red or near infrared light

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hits that chromophor cytochrom oxidase

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that nitric oxide is dissociated meaning

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oxygen can now get in and so that's what

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red light therapy is doing methylene

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blue is just doing that from a substance

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standpoint where it's literally

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inhibiting nitric oxide production

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they're both extremely

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powerful

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um I mean in that sense

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reducing inflammation improving

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circulation and kind of just to finish

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the thought on nitric oxide the reason

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why the fact that it's a vasodilator

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which is true does not mean it leads to

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increased oxygenation is because of this

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concept of it capping the cytochrom oxid

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and not allowing oxygen in so it

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literally vasodilates and it may improve

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circulation but it does not improve

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oxygenation to tissues the best

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vasodilator for our body is carbon

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dioxide so carbon dioxide vasodilates

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and it oxygenates via the bore effect

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and so that's kind of the interesting

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story here is that they're both vasod

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dilators but only one meaning nitric

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oxide or carbon dioxide only one of

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those to actually oxygenates the

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tissue okay interesting so carbon

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dioxide is not as bad as we thought it

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was isn't it funny everything has such a

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specific role that we think we

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understand and then we find out it does

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all these other things and it's like I

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don't know I want to kick my early 90s

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Science Education out the door but then

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there's so much there that was valuable

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and still you know applicable it just

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makes you it just makes you think we

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can't there's no end note to this you

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know we have to constantly be educating

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ourselves and I share this because I was

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talking to my husband the other night

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saying I was shocked at how few of my

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colleagues keep up with research you

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know and like I feel like that's the job

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of a doctor like that's part of our job

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is to stay up and we can't stay up on

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everything but we certainly should stay

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up on the things that are important and

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at least common right my mentor always

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taught me like stay a breast of what's

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common so really understanding the most

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commonly prescribed Pharmaceuticals

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really just staying a breast on what's

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Happening and I think that we don't do

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that but there's so much of this

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information coming out like NAD like

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that's such an interesting topic too and

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how necessary that step is and everybody

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went rushing towards NAD production but

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also on that note I found studies

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showing that excess NAD plus production

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might be not so good so there's anyway

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these are it's like new info on Old

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theories that we need to keep up with

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and yet we still don't

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know ever evolving ever evolving yes

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ever evolving is the word is there any

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impact on NAD production with red light

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and methylene blue do you know

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or that pathway that's a good question I

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I don't know specifically about that

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pathway it certainly wouldn't hurt it

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because again if you're improving the

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the functioning in the the health so to

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speak of the mitochondria you're kind of

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helping boost its ability to function

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altogether so um mitoch or sorry not

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mitochondria methylene blue does seem to

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help ramp up uh the NAD to nadh ratio so

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there is some uh potential benefit there

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the amount of research in methylene

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Bloon this isn't to say there isn't a a

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healthy amount but there just isn't as

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much compared to

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photobiomodulation and as you can see

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we've actually added some nmn into our

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product it's not to the amounts that you

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would take let's say if you're taking a

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NAD supplement on a daily basis it's

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kind of a

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um low dose it's just another way to

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boost mitochondrial health and if you

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see at the bottom of the ingredients on

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on bio there's fulvic acid and that's

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the ingredient that helps drive all of

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the ingredients deeper into the cell

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theoretically and that's kind of one of

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the main proponents or one of the main

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benefits of fulvic acid is that it

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drives anything you're consuming

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ingredients or Foods or what have you

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just deeper into your body so you absorb

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more and so it doesn't take as much um

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kind of speaking towards the nmn it's

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not like there's a high dose of nmn in

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the bio product but with a fulvic acid

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it probably gets a little deeper yeah

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and then you've got liquid gold and

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liquid silver Nano liquid gold and

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liquid silver can you talk about that

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yeah so either of those have their own

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uh photo dnamic properties uh with and

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they're also called let's say colloidal

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gold or colloidal silver same thing Nano

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okay Nano gold nano silver so there's

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some brain benefits there's some

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cognitive benefits anti-inflammatory

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benefits with the gold and again has its

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own set of photodynamic properties

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same thing with silver except that has

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some more let's say antimicrobial

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properties some wound healing properties

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and then its own set of photodynamic

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properties so since we're kind of

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building it around this mitochondrial

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health concept backs slash redl therapy

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synergist we just wanted to add some

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ingredients that would enhance again the

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target towards mitochondrial health and

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for those that want to use methylene

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blue with red light therapy adding that

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gold and silver would also enhance some

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of those photo dnamic properties I love

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that it's so cool we're like little

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photosynthesizing

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beings truly I tried to tell people that

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when I was back in medical school I was

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running around in 2008 telling people

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that our mitochondria

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photosynthesized and they all laughed at

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me W they all called me names I didn't

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have the science I just knew it I was

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like based on what I understand so

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mitochondria are bacteria guys for

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everyone listening people don't realize

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that mitochondria are symbol iotic

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bacteria that live in our bodies that we

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would die without in milliseconds so

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that's crazy and when I learned that I

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wrote a whole paper on it I was like way

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ahead of the curve Mike I wrote a paper

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about mitochondria when I was in

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undergrad like in the early 90s I was

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writing about because I was blown away

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that mitochondria were bacterium I

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learned it in one of my basic science

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classes and then I wrote another so that

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was like check you know that was an

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early adapter on that one there were a

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couple other things I did that sort of

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like prefused My Life coming but anyway

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I'm looking right now so for I mentioned

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the cert one pathway for folks who don't

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know it activates mitochondrial signals

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and Pathways regulating the expression

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levels of genes crucial for the

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proliferation and ATP production and

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then I looked up methylene blue and it

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does activate the CER one pathway so

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that's pretty rad because the that whole

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pathway I just did a podcast about fatty

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liver and that whole pathway is really

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critical to Fat deposition in the liver

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or L you know keeping it safe actually

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so when that pathway goes sideways we

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start packing on fat and we specifically

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start packing on fat in the liver which

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is not good for anyone who hasn't

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listened to that episode go back and

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listen to it so this means that

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potentially and I'm looking at this

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study right here that methylene blue may

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actually help with fatty liver and

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through that pathway which is really

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cool so well we're not talking about

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promoting a a treating anything but it's

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just nice to know how we can support

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certain Pathways well also one of the

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biggest things about methylene blue and

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I don't know if you know this yet Dr

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Tina methylene blue was the first

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pharmaceutical

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drug

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ever I think I did know that as an

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antimalarial and this is back in the

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late

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1800s so it's a major major anti viral

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profound results I mean there's some

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case studies of people getting cured in

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48 hours with like a doser two of

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methylene blue just like a dose you or I

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would take nothing huge and so then it's

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powerful when you combine red light

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therapy and methylene blue for like the

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West Nile V virus Ebola zika herpes um

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hepatitis A so as far as like an immune

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boosting or if you want to call it an

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antiviral it's extremely extremely

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powerful by itself but even more so when

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you combine it with red light therapy

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well and it's antibacterial too you know

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at my age I'm heading on to 50 and

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there's definitely some cognition issues

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happening it's I don't know it's pre per

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menopause who knows what it is but it's

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definitely a thing that and I only

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notice it because I'm a really high

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functioning academic like I am a high

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functioning highb brain person and I've

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always had a lot of pride in that and so

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I don't think most people notice their

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cognition wavering because they're most

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people aren't actually trying to perform

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at a really high level cognitively you

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know I'm not dissing anyone it's just

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unless you are actively in that world

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you don't notice when your brain isn't

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working like it used to so I've noticed

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that and I know that methylene blue

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really helps me with that um it's

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something I cycle I don't I cycle

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everything I don't say on anything for a

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extended period of time I always cycle

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stuff and however many months I cycle is

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depends on what I'm doing usually it's

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like 90 days on you know a month off

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whatever because I want receptors and

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everything to be clean but the other

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thing I've noticed in this age group is

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our as our estrogen is dropping a lot of

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women will end up with vaginal atrophy

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it's super common it gets worse with

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stress and that vaginal atrophy can be

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treated very successfully with some

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topical estrogen but that's a pain in

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the ass but it's still a necessary

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treatment that I think most women are

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being they're having withheld they're

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not getting that disussed by their

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doctor with them and so they end up with

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this sort of lowgrade chronic UTI thing

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that persists especially if they remain

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sexually active which I hope they do so

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I love methylene blue because and I've

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always had UTI like I once you're once

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you have a bad UTI you're kind of prone

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to them for life it sucks so I have a

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propensity for them and the thing I've

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noticed about taking methylene blue

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regularly is that absolutely no concern

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with that like it staves off UTI and

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it's shown in the literature to do so as

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well because it's so antimicrobial so

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it's plus adding in that I mean

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colloidal silver is another one that I

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use for that so that's an awesome side

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effect ladies if you're listening I know

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that a lot of the listeners to my show

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are my age they're middle women are

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older go get your doctor to hand you

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some topical estrogen for your vagina

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and for your vaginal tissue so it

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doesn't atrophy and Shrink away that's

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terrible well because it leads to

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Chronic UTI for a lot of women they

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don't realize what's happening and those

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can go systemic and kill you people

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don't realize this a lot of old people

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die of UTI and the older you get for

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some reason the less symptomatic you

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become so a lot of folks in my practice

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I took care of a lot of geriatric folks

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and they had no idea they even had a UTI

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men and women so all that to say

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methylene blue is a wonderful cognitive

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protector and it'll give you this

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awesome side effect of helping you not

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get potentially viruses and bacteria

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systemically but also urinary tract

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health so that's a good one we like that

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that's my side rant unrelated that's

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that's a good rant though that's a good

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rant oh speaking of genitals red light

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down there do you want to talk about

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that I have long known that red light to

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the testicles improves testosterone

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production I would love to if you have

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any more information on that I would

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love to talk about that because I just

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think it's a great treatment to just

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shine on your NE nether regions did we

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talk about this last time or not do you

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remember I don't know I don't remember

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if we did so this is like my boilerplate

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answer so I don't have any updated

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information Dr Tina um okay there's like

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nothing in the research there's no

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PubMed articles there's nothing um to

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your point the more people I've talked

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to either personally or or I've seen on

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Instagram they tout the testosterone

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boosting benefits of red light therapy

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so as someone who is offering it as a

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product it's not like I

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am I'm I'm basically telling them what

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I'm telling you which is there's no

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research behind it but there's a lot of

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strong anecdotal evidence and I've even

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had some people show me the results when

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they use their not 23 and me but what is

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a what is a panel that a popular panel

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people take that shows test testosterone

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oh I don't know the Dutch test I don't

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know it doesn't matter I guess but

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anyway they showed me their levels and

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the inflection point was insane it's

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like this is literally when I started

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red light therapy and my testosterone

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was

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like are they using it all over their

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body or are they using it on their

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testicles both oh wow so they are

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they're doing like full body treatments

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but they're also intentionally treating

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their testicles for testosterone

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boosting properties and like without a

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doubt they're seeing the results wow

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that's amazing oh here's so funny I pull

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this up I type in red light on testicles

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testosterone into Google and it says one

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Medical Professional who spoke to verify

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said red light could do more harm to

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testosterone levels than good the

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propaganda it's so funny well the reason

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I found you and your company BioLite

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which I love is because I was looking

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for a red light company and I ran into a

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friend who lives locally she's a

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follower and she was pregnant and I know

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that she'd been trying to get pregnant

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for a long time and she'd had some

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health issues and she was like it's the

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red light I've been using this panel she

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gave her other competitor brand away to

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her parents and she started using your

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bu I think it was the desktop version

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yeah yeah and she got pregnant and she

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swore by it and so I have been looking

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into red light and hormones and you know

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you're right there's not a ton of

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literature on it but

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it's anecdotally people are reporting

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great things well not to keep harping on

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nitric oxide but um

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excess amounts in your body actually

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leads to decreased testosterone so how

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ironic is that that it was a preworkout

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for the bodybuilders back in the day

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probably still today right like they're

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promoting that it increases the pump it

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increases increases muscle gain

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testosterone and increases your

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impotence so does

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beer I just want to throw that in

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because beer is an estrogen tincture and

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it's know it's like thought of as this

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like manly drink and it's really just a

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hoppy estrogen D like there are few

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herbs that directly promote a hormone

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and hops directly promotes estrogen from

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what I my training from what I

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understand so yeah keep your uh nitric

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oxide high and your your beer intake

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high oh and marijuana does the same

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thing marijuana tanks out your

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testosterone so yeah we think about all

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of these variables and so does obviously

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metabolic poor metabolic health I mean

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that's like the number one it's so weird

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we live in this country full like very

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very terrible metabolic health and then

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people are pumping testosterone into

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them and not doing any of the other

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things to support their metabolic health

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and then it starts to aromatase into

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estrogen and they wonder why these

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studies come out showing you know

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adverse effects it's like putting a

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product into a dumpster fire yep doesn't

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go well the pathways aren't working you

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know so we got to do all the things

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people and then we can use these bioh

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hacks or whatever you want these tools

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these you know these advantageous tools

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to get us closer to our goals I do think

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though as far as like an

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allterrain product or treatment I

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honestly like methylene blue is

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allterrain for Real on for I mean this

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is like something I travel with little

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trokies methylene blue trokies because

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they just get you out of so many pinches

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like it really is such a like you said

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to the antiviral effect Etc and then

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this I travel with my little red light

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like the two of those are allterrain

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vehicles for a myriad of concerns and

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potential benefits so I'm a big

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fan what else what have we not

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mentioned well just to kind of piggyback

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on your thought process there like the

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only two tools that we have at least

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that we know of right now that can

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dissociate that nitric oxide and thus

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allow oxygen into the mitochondria and

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allow that efficient energy production

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the only two things that can do that are

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methylene blue and red light therapy

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really mhm wow so again at least use one

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or the other but combining them together

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you get that nice synergistic benefit um

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but again as far as restoring metabolic

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health or as far as restoring

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mitochondrial function like those are

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the two biggest ones I can think of that

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is such a good point you make folks

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don't realize that they you know I don't

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talk enough about it on my platform but

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really at the Crux of everything as your

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mitochondrial health so we can talk

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about you know eating more protein and

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strength training and doing all these

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things which will help your mitochondria

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for sure and adding muscle to your body

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will add mitochondria to your frame but

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if you have very sick mitochondria and

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that can be from a variety of reasons

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you could be overly poisoned which is

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not uncommon in today's society you know

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glyphosate all the things you could um

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have had poisoning through

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Pharmaceuticals that you've taken in the

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past you know we know the things like

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cypro which was handed out like candy in

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the 90s big mitochondria poisoner that's

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what being flocked is those are the

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fluoroquinolone drugs so there's all

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kinds of ways that people end up with

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really poorly functioning mitochondria I

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think you could probably be born into it

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I was not in great mitochondrial shape

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when I gave birth and my daughter has a

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lot of symptoms of low mitochondrial

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function so we want to build

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mitochondria and add it to our frame but

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via muscle but we also want to help what

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we have work better and when you do that

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metabolic Health improves and without

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that metabolic Health really just

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Putters along so the folks who are

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emailing me or dming me saying I'm doing

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I'm trying everything it's just not

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working maybe start with mitochondrial

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Health at its core and that includes

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going out and seeing you know getting

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red light from The Horizon when you can

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and I can't always in Oregon so that's

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that funny this morning I was sitting

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with this adjacent to my eyes you know

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at eye level while I kind of went about

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my morning because I'm like I need my

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red light because it's all cloudy

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outside can't I still do go out there in

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the morning even with the clouds but

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that's a big one you know get that's why

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we talk about getting Horizon light and

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that evening or afternoon early evening

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uh Sun as it goes down because we want

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that red light that's the point of it

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it's a circadian rhythm

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Setter if you will well to your point

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all about the poisoning that's actually

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one of the top things methling blue is

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known for is it's being an antidote for

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chemical let's see chemical poisonings

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and overdose so whether so you're

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talking about all these different drugs

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or all these different like environment

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pollutants and poisons that we

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unfortunately accumulate during our

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lifetime methylene blue seems to

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be a

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potent you know antidote antidote for

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all of that yeah I just pulled this up

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National Institutes of Health methylene

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blue can act as an antidote to pesticide

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poisoning That's crazy so you're talking

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about good news for me I live out in

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wine country where I literally get

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sprayed I literally get sprayed this

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field or the field behind me gets

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sprayed I don't between the two I'm

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probably getting hit like four to six

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times a year with Wow broadleaf killer

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or glyphosate it makes me crazy if I

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think I just this morning actually took

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a urine test to test my glyphosate

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levels because I'm so concerned so this

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is good to know anyway go ahead I was I

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didn't mean that's a great like anecdote

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within this little diet tribe we're

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having it's

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like with everything that's being

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sprayed or again stuff you're breathing

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in or consuming in your foods that you

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don't even know that you're consuming

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it's like to have these types of

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strategies whether it's methylene blue

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or sweating it out through the infrared

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sauna what have you just to have these

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Myriad of strategies to detoxify or

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mitigate the negative side effects it's

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like you only have one body you only

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have one lifetime you got to make the

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best of it yeah yeah and the side

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effects of chronic glyphosate poisoning

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are so bad I did a video the other day

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on my my Instagram I took it down cuz

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people were so dumb that they couldn't

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actually process what I was trying to

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show them they couldn't get to the end

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of this I stitched a video together the

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first video was a lady using tampons to

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soak up the grease in her while she was

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cooking ground beef I would ever do I

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would never do such a thing but people

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freaked I I I don't know what to do Mike

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people literally freak out on me about

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everything I post I thought it was funny

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and of course anyone who knows me would

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know that would I would not do such a

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thing commercial like regular tampons

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anyway at the end of it I said don't you

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know be careful what you put up your

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HooHa because these things are soaked

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and essentially I mean they're they're

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made out of cotton that's drenched in

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glyphosate and of course people freaked

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out about that what do we use what do we

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do it's like I don't know think go to

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Google start looking at options I have a

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beef with dealing with Instagram and all

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of that but the point being is we're

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getting glyphosate everywhere it's

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everywhere I know people who have lived

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an organic life their entire higher Life

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Organic Food organic everything because

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they came from parents who were into

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that and understood from so from an

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early age or maybe forever and they

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still have they go to these are

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colleagues and they go to test their

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glyphosate levels and their urine and

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they Skyhigh so I mean it's it's

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unavoidable it's just we're just bathing

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in toxic soup every day and I don't say

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that to scare anyone when you can

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finally accept that as a reality you can

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start to learn tools to mitigate it

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because it's just a way of life we just

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live in a on a planet now that is highly

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polluted and we can only do the best we

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can do so again methylene blue all train

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all train

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vehicle gives us what we need I like it

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does red light help the body detoxify

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does it help cells let go of garbage do

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you

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know I'm just guessing that is not one

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of the first things that comes to my

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mind when I think of red light therapy

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okay I'm not saying it can't or it

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doesn't maybe it helps perpetuate your

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other strategies like infrared sauna and

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otherwise like it does promote

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circulation so whether it's your blood

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circulation or your lymphatic

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circulation it's going to help promote

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oxygen and nutrients in and the garbage

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out so in that sense but as far as like

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the deep down deep detox that you get

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with an infrared SAA it's a little

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different I wouldn't I wouldn't shout

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from the mountain top the red light

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therapy is this amazing detoxer but

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again it does help move stuff along and

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help normalize metabolic Health yeah

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well it helps with cellular metabolism

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and mitochondrial function so that would

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help clean up cells it's a major immune

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booster I mean so that's not necessarily

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detox kind of you know just a different

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vertical in a way but when I think

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detox correct me if I'm wrong but I just

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think like sauna yeah yeah yeah yeah

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yeah I love my sauna my sauna Is My Jam

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I love cooking the crap out of myself

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when I am in my sauna I say it all the

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time you know I used to tell patients

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this I used to sell those little zipup

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saas that your heads sticks out of I'll

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link my favorite one in the show notes

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to this but man I sold those like hot

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cakes in my practice cuz I like wi and

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out go cook the crap out of yourself Y

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and then your lights turn

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on and so and methylene blue and sauna

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is a an awesome combo too there's a lot

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of upside to that combination and just

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kind of stacking these things

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synergistically is really the name of

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the game so yeah I think that getting

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your sweat on is key and then you got to

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go shower off you guys I always am lazy

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and I walk around with my let my sweat

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dry on me and all my toxins are being

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reabsorbed okay let me ask you this Dr

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Tina yeah go ahead do you sauna in the

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summer I find it very difficult to do

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that I do too I know I slacked all

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summer to be totally honest with you I

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slack me too like I enjoy the coolness

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in the morning I don't want to get

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sweaty before the day gets hot you know

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what I mean it's tough for me to talk

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myself in into into doing the sauna yeah

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and I hear this from followers who live

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in Florida or live in Arizona where

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they're like I don't want a sauna I live

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in you know like for boing heat all the

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time so yeah I know I think that just

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getting your sweat on is key and

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honestly getting heat shock protein

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induction and getting sweaty which you

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could do with just going outside in some

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places or working out period but working

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out in a warm environment working out

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outside where it's warm there's all

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kinds of ways that I think could be

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somewhat comparable but infrared sauna

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does something different and that

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infrared definitely is not you're not

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going to get that as well you would from

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I guess early day sun or late day sun

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you'd get some depends on the time of

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day you go out but I promote an infrared

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sauna to folks for other health reasons

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yeah it's hard it's hard I like that

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sauna in the fall and winter for sure

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and spring to some degree but when it's

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warm outside I'm on it it's tough well

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you listen to me complain about Oregon

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all the time so you

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know it's beautiful but it's rainy so

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that's what we got got here I just love

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this I always love talking to you it's

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always so informative and I learn so

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many new things so thank you and I

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really appreciate you coming on we're

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gonna put my link in the show notes that

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link is an affiliate link which will

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give these folks a discount and it's on

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the whole store right so the Biol blue

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and the red light options that are in

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there yep oh I know what I had one last

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question before I call

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it so you guys have a mouth device for

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denti right like a red light mouth

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device I feel like methylene blue is

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really good for gum health for gum and

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teeth health I know it stains things but

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I feel like just getting that

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antibacterial or

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antimicrobial is such a good thing to be

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if you guys can tolerate it you know

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swishing it around and actually use

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somewhat to get it in there and then

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combo with that I I don't have that

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device but I could imagine I was

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thinking like how can you pair these

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things I was thinking that device

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secondarily on top of it would be super

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cool

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that's one of the first things that came

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to my mind coincidentally is like you

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have to put in your mouth um I mean

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there's trokies I don't know if you've

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used trois before where you have like

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these little what would you call them

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like almost not gumdrops but small

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little things you pack between your gum

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and your cheek so that it absorbs into

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your bloodstream bypasses your your

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stomach and all that your liver but man

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those stain the heck out of your teeth

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and tongue um like those stain a deep

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deep blue

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for 6 8 10 hours where like when you use

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um a liquid product like Biol I find

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that it stains my tongue and teeth very

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little relative to those Troys and maybe

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