Archetypes Are Not Just Psychic Structures
Summary
TLDRThe video script delves into the concept of archetypes, relating them to the Divine Logos, or Jesus Christ, as the unchanging metaphysical foundation of reality. It contrasts this with the Jungian idea of archetypes as fluid psychic structures, arguing for a fixed, universal order that patterns reality. The discussion explores how these 'logi' or divine principles shape our perception and experience, leading to a deeper understanding of the world and our place within it, ultimately pointing towards the Divine Logos. The script also touches on the noetic faculty, the importance of morality and truth in perceiving these patterns, and the Orthodox Christian view of theosis, where all creation is called to participate in God's divine nature.
Takeaways
- π The concept of 'logos' in the script refers to Jesus Christ, the divine principle that has incarnated into space and time, serving as a foundational archetype.
- π The speaker contrasts the idea of archetypes as understood through Jungian psychology with a theological perspective, emphasizing the need for a metaphysical grounding for these concepts to be unchanging and universal.
- π The script discusses the importance of 'noesis', or the noetic faculty, as the eye of the heart, which allows for the intuitive grasping of unity amidst multiplicity and is essential for perceiving the Divine Logos.
- π§ The speaker mentions that archetypes are not merely psychic structures but are universal and foundational to the order of reality, shaping how we perceive and interact with the world.
- πΏ The idea that reality is patterned and not arbitrary is highlighted, suggesting that these patterns or 'logi' are divine principles that guide creation and existence.
- π The script touches on the concept of 'theosis', the belief in the deification of all creation, which is achieved through humility and letting go of prideful self-grasping.
- π The use of sports analogies illustrates the importance of seeing through actions to their higher purpose, relating this to the way one should engage with the divine patterns or 'logi' in life.
- π‘ The speaker warns against the dangers of grasping at things for their own sake, which can lead to sin and a perversion of the divine patterns, instead advocating for participation in these patterns in a way that aligns with their higher purpose.
- π The pursuit of understanding and experiencing the Divine Logos is presented as an intuitive and experiential process, rather than purely rational or intellectual.
- π‘ The script suggests that the darkening of the noetic faculty, or the ability to perceive divine patterns, is linked to sin and the misuse of reason for self-serving ends.
- π± The Orthodox Christian worldview presented in the script sees archetypes or 'logi' as divine principles that set the pattern for reality, guiding us towards the Divine Logos and the process of theosis.
Q & A
What is the connection between archetypes and the concept of logos in the script?
-The script discusses archetypes as universal structures that are rooted in a metaphysical reality, and logos is identified as Jesus Christ, the divine principle that incarnated into space and time. These archetypes or 'logi' are seen as the divine principles that set the pattern for reality, relating to the larger concept of logos.
How does the script differentiate between the western psychological view of archetypes and the theological perspective?
-The script contrasts the western psychological view, which sees archetypes as psychic structures formed by personal experiences and thus constantly changing, with the theological perspective that archetypes are unchanging universal structures rooted in a metaphysical reality.
What is the significance of the 'eye of the heart' or 'nous' in the Orthodox worldview as presented in the script?
-In the script, 'nous' or the 'eye of the heart' is described as the capacity to perceive unity in multiplicity and to grasp the divine logos. It is the way one participates with the divine patterns of reality and is tied to morality and truthfulness.
How does the script relate the concept of archetypes to the idea of sin and the fall?
-The script suggests that archetypes or 'logi' can become darkened through sin, which is described as an instrumental grasping of things for themselves rather than in relation to their higher purpose. This leads to a perversion and destruction of the divine patterns in creation.
What is the script's view on the relationship between the divine logos and human experience?
-The script posits that the divine logos can be experienced intuitively, not just through rational thought. It suggests that perceiving the divine logos is akin to a physical experience, an intuitive grasping of unity that is often overlooked due to human passions and thoughts.
How does the script discuss the concept of theosis in relation to archetypes and the divine logos?
-The script explains that theosis, or becoming like God, is possible through dying to oneself and letting go of pride and grasping at different levels of reality. By doing so, one can participate in the divine logos and the archetypal patterns of reality in a proper way.
What is the script's perspective on the nature of archetypes as they relate to the physical world?
-The script views archetypes as not just psychic structures but as universal structures that give order to the physical world. They are seen as patterns that bind particularity to the divine oneness, allowing for the existence and recognition of categories across space and time.
How does the script describe the process of understanding archetypes in terms of human experience?
-The script describes understanding archetypes as an exercise in experience rather than thought. It suggests that recognizing archetypes involves seeing through the multiplicity of the world to the underlying divine patterns, which is a process that is more intuitive than rational.
What is the script's view on the relationship between archetypes and the concept of evil?
-The script discusses the archetype of the 'Evil Genius' as someone whose 'nous' or capacity to perceive the divine logos is darkened. This person may be intelligent but is described as irrational because they use reason instrumentally for self-serving ends, thus perverting the divine patterns of reality.
How does the script use the analogy of sports to explain the concept of grasping archetypes for their higher purpose?
-The script uses the analogy of playing basketball, where actions like dribbling are not ends in themselves but means to score points and win the game. It suggests that grasping archetypes for their own sake is misguided, and that understanding their higher purpose is the key to proper participation in reality.
Outlines
π Understanding Archetypes and the Divine Logos
This paragraph delves into the concept of archetypes, their connection to the divine logos, and the philosophical underpinnings of these ideas. The speaker clarifies that archetypes are not merely psychological constructs but are universal structures that shape reality. They argue against the notion that these structures are constantly changing and instead propose that they are rooted in a metaphysical reality, which is unchanging through time and space. The paragraph also discusses the relationship between these archetypes and the Christian understanding of Jesus Christ as the logos, suggesting that the divine principles of creation, or 'logi,' set the patterns for reality. The speaker emphasizes the importance of recognizing the divine order and the role of the 'nous' or the eye of the heart in perceiving unity amidst multiplicity.
π‘ The Noetic Faculty and the Path to Theosis
In this paragraph, the discussion shifts to the noetic faculty, which is described as the eye of the heart, enabling individuals to perceive the divine patterns in creation and thus participate in the divine reality. The speaker explores the idea that our ability to grasp unity in the midst of multiplicity is foundational to our anthropological nature and is tied to morality and truth. They also touch on the concept of the 'evil genius,' a person whose noetic faculty is darkened, leading to irrationality despite high intelligence. The paragraph further explains how grasping at things for their own sake, rather than recognizing their higher purpose, can lead to perversion and sin. The speaker uses the analogy of sports to illustrate the importance of aligning actions with higher purposes and concludes with the Orthodox Christian belief in theosis, the process of becoming like God through selflessness and humility.
Mindmap
Keywords
π‘Archetypes
π‘Logos
π‘Unconscious
π‘Metaphysical
π‘Plato
π‘Heraclitus
π‘Noetic
π‘Theosis
π‘Evil Genius
π‘Instrumental
π‘Participation
Highlights
Archetypes are universal structures that reality unfolds based on, rather than just psychic structures.
The concept of the Divine Logos, Jesus Christ, as the ultimate archetype and pattern for reality.
Archetypes are rooted in a metaphysical framework, unlike the fluid framework of the unconscious in Jungian psychology.
The Logos incarnated into space and time, providing a metaphysical point of reference for archetypes.
Archetypes are unchanging through space and time, despite the changing world, unlike the constantly evolving unconscious.
The importance of having a metaphysical grounding for archetypes, as proposed by Plato and later adopted by Christianity.
The idea that archetypes are Divine principles of creation, as discussed by Saint Maximus.
The concept of the noetic faculty, or the eye of the heart, as the way we participate in and perceive archetypes.
The noetic faculty is essential for morality, speaking truthfully, and treating people well.
The connection between the noetic faculty and the ability to perceive the Divine Logos.
The idea that archetypes are not absolute or infinite, but have a kind of relativity that points towards the Divine Logos.
The concept of theosis, or becoming God, as the ultimate goal of participating in the Divine Logos and archetypes.
The idea that grasping things for themselves, rather than for their higher purpose, leads to sin and disorder.
The importance of seeing through the multiplicity of the world to the underlying unity and order of archetypes.
The analogy of playing basketball to illustrate the importance of seeing the higher purpose in actions and archetypes.
The concept of the Evil Genius as someone with a darkened noetic faculty, despite high intelligence.
The idea that sin involves grasping at different levels without moving towards the Divine Logos.
The concept of pride as thinking one has reached the summit, cutting oneself off from higher participation.
The irony that in Orthodoxy, letting go of pride and grasping allows for participation in God and theosis.
Transcripts
and it ties back to then how archetypes
work and that's where I want to move
next is the archetypes and these logi
and how that relates back to this larger
concept of logos which is who Jesus
Christ is for those who are new or
haven't caught on the logos is Jesus
Christ the logos is what incarnated into
space and time
um and so you're talking about Santa
Claus and these archetypes and the
reality of the archetypal uh realm if
you will and and for so many of the
western mind they hear archetypes they
think of Jung and then they think of the
the you know the the unconscious
um well within their own darwinian
framework the the world itself is
constantly changing and the unconscious
is formed by our own personal experience
with the world therefore the unconscious
and these archetypes of the father and
the mother and the hero they should also
then be changing because by definition
it's all based on a sort of a fluids
framework because they don't have a
metaphysical point to root it in which
is what theology is doing it's saying no
no guys you can have your archetypes
Plato was talking about this well before
Christianity but you have to have a
metaphysic in which these Concepts and
these ideas are rooted in so they are
unchanging through space and time
because yes heraclitus is right you
don't step into the same river twice but
that doesn't mean that everything is
fluid and unchanging
I mean I agree that I usually even don't
even use the word archetype in in my
videos because of the Union problem
where people tend to understand our it's
a perfectly legitimate word by the way
San Gregory uses it uh you know in his
in his writings and so it's just that
people tend to associate it with this
idea that it's somehow psychic
structures right these archetypes are
psychic structures but that's not what
we're proposing we're proposing that
they are Universal structures and that
reality actually unfolds
based on these on these structures and
it's not a it's not like it doesn't you
don't have to understand it as like a
magical kind of magical thing uh but the
world has to be patterned and it's not
just a psychic thing in order for
anything to exist in the world there has
to be order in the in the
particularities and that's it that's all
it is it's just that the order of that
that binds particularity to one that's
an archetype and so you could understand
it very low in terms of you know how
molecules bound together to form higher
form uh higher forms of of qualities but
then you can also do it from a human
perspective that is for me to be able to
recognize certain certain categories uh
across space and time they have to be
bound by a pattern and like let's say
the pattern of fatherhood it's just a
real pattern it doesn't mean that it's
in in its instantiation there could be
variability and there can be variability
across it but ultimately it leads to one
and especially as you get higher and
higher and you move towards the Divine
logos himself and so in some ways you
could say that all the logi and all the
patterns they are not absolute they're
not infinite they are limited and they
are you know they have a they have a
kind of Relativity to them but that
relativity is always pointing up and up
and up and up and as You Follow that
line then you reach you reach the the
you reach the Divine logos I mean not
not with your thinking but even in
experience you start to see through the
glimmers of these patterns that there's
something holding them together you know
at the summit of it can you explain for
people then what we're calling
archetypes how in an orthodox worldview
they are called the logi as Saint
Maximus talks about the Divine
principles of creation and like you're
saying this these are the Divine
principles that sets the pattern for
reality
um can you explain a little bit about
what these low-gi are and how they
relate to that
I mean I that's a way the way that I see
them is that they're the reason like
they're the reason why you perceive
something in the first place like
they're the reason why multiplicity is
binding into one why is it that when I
look at the world around me or
experience the world around me I don't
just experience in infinite infinite
chaos and infinite multiplicity it's
like no I experience different levels
and there there's a lot of patterns like
there's a lot of levels and and there's
almost indefinite levels and and play of
patterns but I always am able to see the
one through the through the many and
that line right that line is that line
that kind of drives you up towards uh
towards the Divine logos uh and it's not
um
right it's not a it's not a rational
it's not an exercise in thought it's an
exercise and experience and that's why
we tend to say that you know we talk
about the news as this capacity to kind
of grasp things right to grasp their
Unity without the dialectic without the
thought process and so in some ways
um perceiving the Divine logos is closer
to almost physical experience in the
sense that it's a it's like a it's it's
just intuitive it's like this intuitive
grasping of the one and most people
aren't even aware of it they don't
they're not conscious of it you know we
experience The Noose all the time the
news is actually what drives the way
that you function in in reality but
because we're so clouded by our passions
and our thought that we we don't tend to
to see it but we do have that capacity
to just grasp the one that's that's what
that's what leads you into into the logi
and that news is such a fundamental
anthropological point because it's we're
not just mind-body Soul yes if somebody
saw news and translated they'd say oh
well that's just the Greek word for mind
yes but Orthodoxy as we've done with
everything
re-sanctifies whatever we're talking
about and so the Noose is the eye of the
heart it's the eye of the soul that the
way that you're participating with these
patterns which is going to be tied to
morality which is going to be tied to
speaking truthful things there's going
to be tied with how you treat people
this is essential for how you're going
to see that line through the logi
through these archetypal patterns of
reality back to the logos Jesus Christ
the second person of the Holy Trinity
and so therefore we I've always talked
about the archetype if you will of the
Evil Genius as somebody who is the Noose
is totally darkened so yeah there that
may have a high IQ they may have the
highest IQ but at the same time they're
totally irrational despite their using
reason instrumentally for whatever ends
that they have to conquer the world or
to to have power over people but it's
still irrational it's self-defeating
because the ways in which they live
their life they have darkened The noetic
Faculty of themselves that they really
can't see God and they really can't see
them these these in instrumental
patterns in creation yeah and I think
that that the word instrumental is the
right word for people to understand sin
or to understand the fall and that say
how the logi get darkened and the way
the logi get darkened is through this
kind of instrumental thing it's it's a
funny it's a funny situation but the
idea is that in some ways if you grasp
something for what it is only
it immediately becomes perverted right
and so and rather the the if you if you
see through it like there's a sense in
which there's a line that follows
through it into something higher than
Beyond it that's when you kind of follow
this line of logi so it's not it like I
said I want to be careful not to sound
like I'm saying arbitrary things but if
you if you I love to use Sports
analogies because they're so easy to
understand so if you if you play
basketball and there are certain things
that you're doing a basketball right
you're dribbling you're passing you're
you're throwing the ball you're doing
all these things like all these things
that you're doing you never want to
grasp them for themselves right so if
you grasp dribbling and you're like man
I'm gonna dribble and I'm just gonna
dribble for dribbling and so you're
gonna lose the game right because it's a
ridiculous thing to do you have to see
through the dribbling towards the
purpose of what it is right I'm
dribbling so that I can score points so
that I can win the game and then but
then that goes up obviously it doesn't
stop at sports like the idea is like if
things are lined up towards their higher
purposes then that's when you that's
when you participate in them in the
proper way but when you try to grasp
them for themselves then you're done
like then then that's what that in some
ways that's what sin is so in our lives
it's usually happens in terms of
thoughts and in terms of of desires
right it's like eating is great eating
is a beautiful wonderful thing but if I
try to grasp it for itself
then I'm disordered then I'm then I'm
obsessed by food you know I get fat I I
all these things happen to me that are
that are because I'm not I'm not going
to the logos and moving up towards it
there's the destruction of the patterns
the gluttony literally begins to kill
you which is the nature of sin right
it's the nature it's sin it's a nature
of Pride it's like when you think that
you've got it it's like as soon as you
think that you've got it and you're God
and you're at the summit then then
you've cut yourself off from higher
participation and it's a deep irony
because in in Orthodoxy we do believe in
theosis like we literally believe you
could become God and not just you but
all of creation is called to be deified
right and the only way for it to for it
to to happen is to die to oneself right
it's the opposite of what we think it's
like if you actually let go of your
pride and you let go of your grasping at
the different levels then all of this is
going to participate in God it's
actually I mean it's wild but it makes
sense once you start to see it in that
way it does
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