TAP Group Co-Founder and Executive Chairman, Arif P. Rachmat

Summary

このビデオスクリプトでは、アジアの農業ニーズに対処し、効率化と価値の最大化を目指す方法について議論されています。特に、小規模農家に対する支援の重要性と、彼らが直面する融資の難しさ、そしてそれに伴う複雑な問題が焦点とされています。スクリプトでは、「包括的クローズドループモデル」が提案され、民間企業、政府、市民社会の3要素が協力して農業の持続可能性を高める方法が語られています。また、デジタル技術の活用や、環境保護と農業の結びつきについても触れられています。

Takeaways

• 🌾 亚洲农业需求的视角：讨论了如何提高亚洲农业效率和价值。
• 👩‍🌾 农民作为农业的主要参与者：强调了农民在农业中的核心作用以及提高小农生产能力的重要性。
• 💼 金融机构的角色：指出金融机构在农业融资中的关键作用以及小农被认为不可银行化的挑战。
• 🌐 三螺旋模型：介绍了公私合作模式，包括私人、公共和民间社会三个要素的合作。
• 🔄 包容性闭环飞轮模型：提出了一个整合小农、企业和其他利益相关者的农业发展模式。
• 💡 政府的激励措施：讨论了政府在提供低利率贷款和其他激励措施中的作用。
• 🌱 农业多样化：强调了避免单一作物种植，推动农业多样化的重要性。
• 🌿 环境可持续性：讨论了农业实践对环境的影响，以及如何通过包容性闭环模型来解决这些问题。
• 📈 农业技术初创企业的作用：强调了农业技术在提高农业生产力和供应链效率中的重要性。
• 🤝 合作与领导：讨论了通过合作和领导力推动农业发展和实现可持续发展目标的重要性。
• 🌍 G20和B20议程：提到了印尼在G20和B20中的领导作用，以及推动包容性闭环模型作为国际运动的潜力。

Q & A

アジアの農業ニーズをどのように効率的かつ価値あるものにすることができましたか？

アジアの農業ニーズを効率的かつ価値あるものにするために、小規模農家への能力開発を通じた包括的なアプローチを見つけることが重要だと思われます。また、金融機関の役割も重要で、農民の生産性が低い主な原因の一つは資金調の不足ですが、その背後にある複雑な問題にも目を向けることが求められます。

小規模農家が銀行から見ればなぜ「銀行化不可能な存在」と考えられるのでしょうか？

小規模農家が銀行から見れば「銀行化不可能な存在」と思われるのは、彼らが抱える多くのリスクや課題があるためです。例えば、気候による問題や、農業投入物の品質の問題、収穫後の販売先の確保、資金繰りの困難などが挙げられます。

インドネシアの持続可能な農業のための「包括的クローズドループ型モデル」とは何ですか？

「包括的クローズドループ型モデル」とは、民間企業、公的機関、市民社会の3つの要素が協力し、小規模農家を含む全ての関係者を巻き込みながら、産業の成長と農家への支援を行います。このモデルでは、産業のリード企業が融資などの支援を行い、農家と密接に連携して生産プロセス全体をサポートします。

PEACE AGROの目的は何ですか？また、どのような目標を設定していますか？

PEACE AGROの目的は、農民の生産性を20％向上させることで、貧困率と二酸化炭素排出量も20％削減することです。彼らは11の農業商品をカバーし、100万以上の農民に至るまで成長しており、2023年までに200万を目指しています。

持続可能性の観点から、農業モデルにおける重要な要素は何ですか？

持続可能性の観点では、環境保護、社会影響、経済的な成果という3つの主要な問題を解決する包括的クローズドループモデルが重要です。農業モデルは、農民の生活改善だけでなく、環境保護にも貢献する必要があります。

農民の行動を変えるために、どのようなインセンティブが必要ですか？

農民の行動を変えるためには、彼らが新しい方法が環境に優しく、自己にも利益があることを理解する必要があります。例えば、土地を開けるために焼却を行わないようにする代わりに、養鶏や養魚などの代替手段を提供し、それには適切なインセンティブや資金支援が必要となります。

G20とB20の議題では、特に何を推進する予定ですか？

G20とB20では、特に包括性、健康保障、技術の移転、持続可能な農業モデルの推進などを議題に据えています。また、包括的クローズドループモデルを国際的な運動として推進し、包括性プラEDGEを設立することを目指しています。

デジタル技術は農業モデルにどのように影響を与えますか？

デジタル技術は農業の生産性向上やサプライチェーンの効率化に役立ちます。例えば、IoT技術を用いた養魚業の自動飼育システムは、飼料の無駄を省きながら生産効率を高めることができます。

農業における協調的な取り組みがバラバラにならないためには、どのようなアプローチが必要ですか？

協調的な取り組みがバラバラにならないためには、個々の組織がより大きな使命のために協力するという精神が必要です。また、プラットフォーム間の協力や情報共有を通じて、包括的なアプローチを促進することが重要です。

ESGのメッセージをビジネスリーダーがどのように受け止め、実践していくでしょうか？

ビジネスリーダーは、持続可能性、社会貢献、経済的な成果という3つの重要な要素をバランス良く追求し、自社のビジネスモデルにESGの原則を取り入れていくことが求められます。G20やB20の議題を通じて、これらの原則をさらに推進し、ビジネスコミュニティ全体で共有される価値観として確立することが期待されています。

Outlines

00:00

🌾 農業の持続可能性と小規模農家への支援

この段落では、アジアの農業ニーズに対処し、農業を効率的かつ価値あるものにするためのアプローチが議論されています。小規模農家への支援と能力向上、そして金融機関による彼らへの融資の難しさに対する見解が共有されています。また、農業における複雑な問題に対する包括的なアプローチの重要性が強調されています。

05:00

💼 金融機関と農業の持続可能性モデル

この段落では、金融機関が小規模農家を「銀行化不可能な存在」と見なす理由について議論しています。小規模農家が直面する様々な課題や「クローズド・ループ・フライホイールモデル」という解決策が紹介されています。このモデルは、民間企業、政府、市民社会の3つの要素を組み合わせることで、小規模農家を支援することを目的としています。

10:01

🌱 持続可能な農業の推進とPEACEアグロの役割

この段落では、PEACEアグロがインドネシアの持続可能な農業を推進する取り組みについて紹介されています。PEACEアグロは、農民の生産性と生活水準を向上させることで、貧困と二酸化炭素排出量を25％削減することを目指しています。また、環境保護と持続可能な開発目標（SDGs）との関連性も触れられています。

15:02

📊 G20とB20の議題およびビジネスの役割

この段落では、G20とB20の議題、特にビジネスが持続可能性（ESG）を推進する役割について議論されています。特に、B20の貿易と投資タスクフォースが、技術の移転、健康保障、包括性、地域社会の支援など、多様な課題に取り組むことを示しています。また、PEACEアグロの取り組みが、国際的な運動に拡大されることを期待しています。

20:02

📈 農業におけるデジタル化と技術の進歩

この段落では、デジタル技術が農業の生産性と供給チェーンの効率化にどのように役立つかが議論されています。特に、アグリテックのスタートアップが、農民の生活を改善し、金融サービスを提供する新しいモデルを創出していることについて焦点が当てられています。また、デジタル技術を通じて、包括的なクローズドループモデルがより強力になることが示されています。

25:08

🤝 協力と包括性モデルの普及

最後の段落では、協力と包括性モデルの普及がビジネスリーダーシップとG20/B20の議題として重要視されていることが強調されています。成功は、モデルの採用と実践によるものであり、ビジネスリーダーシップによるモデルの推進と、他のビジネスリーダーへの影響力が重要です。

Keywords

💡農業

農業は、自然資源を利用して作物を栽培したり家畜を飼育したりする活動であり、このビデオの主題であるアジアの農業ニーズの効率化と価値創造に不可欠です。ビデオでは、農業における農民の役割やそれに関連する融資問題について議論されています。

💡小規模農家

小規模農家は、農業における主要な行動者で、彼らの生活を改善し、能力を向上させることがビデオの核心的な議論ポイントです。彼らは融資の不足や生産性の低下など、多面的な課題に直面しています。

💡包括的クローズドループモデル

包括的クローズドループモデルとは、民間、公的、市民社会の3要素が協力して農業の持続可能性を高めるモデルです。ビデオでは、このモデルがインドネシアの棕榈油産業において成功を収め、小規模農家を支援する一環として取り上げられています。

💡融資

融資は、農民が生産活動を行えるようにするために必要な資金の提供であり、ビデオでは小規模農家が融資を受けることが困難であることが指摘されています。包括的クローズドループモデルでは、企業が融資の保証をする役割を果たしています。

💡持続可能な農業

持続可能な農業は、環境保護と経済的な収益のバランスを保ちながら農業を行うことを目指す概念です。ビデオでは、包括的クローズドループモデルがこの目標を達成するための一つの方法として紹介されています。

💡PEACEアグロ

PEACEアグロは、インドネシアの農業生産性向上に取り組むイニシアチブであり、ビデオではそのメンバーシップと農民への影響について語及されています。彼らの目標は、農民の生産性や貧困、二酸化炭素排出量を20％削減することです。

💡環境保護

環境保護は、自然環境を守り、持続可能な農業に貢献する取り組みです。ビデオでは、包括的クローズドループモデルが環境保護と農業の生産性を両立する道を模索していることが強調されています。

💡デジタル化

デジタル化は、農業の効率化と管理の改善を目指す技術的な進歩であり、ビデオでは、デジタル技術が農業の供給チェーンの改善にどのように役立つかについて議論されています。

💡アグリテック

アグリテックは、農業分野におけるテクノロジー企業のことを指し、ビデオではこれらの企業が農民の生活や生産性をどのように改善するかについて触れられています。彼らは供給チェーンの各セグメントを改善し、農民への融資を提供するプラットフォームを構築しています。

💡ESG

ESGとは、環境(Environment)、社会(Social)、企業のガバナンス(Governance)を考慮したビジネス戦略です。ビデオでは、農業企業がESG基準に則って行動し、持続可能な農業を促進することが求められています。

Highlights

Pacquiao Reef discusses the importance of a holistic approach to improve the lives of smallholder farmers through capacity building.

The main root cause of low farmer productivity is identified as a lack of financing, but it's suggested there are deeper, complex issues.

Smallholders are perceived as unbankable due to various challenges including climate issues and lack of buyers post-harvest.

The 'inclusive closed-loop flywheel model' is introduced as a solution involving private, public, and civil society collaboration.

Nucleus plasma scheme explained, where the nucleus guarantees financing for smallholder farmers.

Government incentives and low-interest rates have historically played a role in supporting the palm oil industry.

Diversification of agriculture is emphasized over monoculture, with unique challenges in each sector.

The 'inclusive closed loop model' is promoted as a way to address environmental, social, and governance (ESG) issues.

The role of corporates in changing farmer behavior through incentives and seed capital for alternative livelihoods.

Alignment between commercial imperatives and sustainability goals is discussed, with examples from the palm oil industry.

The importance of government involvement as a game changer in agricultural development and financing.

The potential of digital technology and agri-tech startups in revolutionizing agriculture and addressing supply chain inefficiencies.

The significance of integrating different parts of the value chain using technology for an explosive breakthrough in agriculture.

The need for collaboration and avoiding siloed efforts in order to create a unified approach to agricultural challenges.

The role of financial institutions in supporting the inclusive closed loop model and the importance of the corporate nucleus.

The importance of business leaders taking on the ESG message and acting on it within their companies, especially in the context of the G20 and B20.

Success is defined as the mass adoption of the closed loop model, with measurable outcomes and continued implementation.

Transcripts

[Music]

pacquiao reef it's great to see you

thanks so much for participating in this

activity thank you pate moore it's

really glad i'm really glad to be here

thank you for having me when we're

looking at the perspective of how to

deal with asia's agricultural needs and

make them as efficient and as valuable

as possible what's holding us up here

okay if we think about the world of

agriculture

obviously farmers are the main actors

without farmers there are no

a group of agriculture

so i firmly believe

it is my conviction that we need to find

a holistic approach into

improving the lives of the smallholders

through a capacity building

now the other main actors in the world

of agriculture are the financial

institutions

and we know for the most part that one

of the main root causes

of farmer's low productivity is because

of lack of financing

but i believe it is only the tip of the

iceberg you need to look underneath and

it is a complex issue

so the first question is why do you

think that financial institutions

perceive smallholders as unbankable so

we're starting at the tip first yes or

should we start at the bottom of the ice

no i like to because people know that uh

always make a comment that there's you

know the farmers are unbankable you know

so i we need to understand why what is

the case

because once you that's a good starting

point when you dig deeper you'll find a

lot more issues

so when you look underneath uh as a

farmer i think they go through this

journey where there are a lot of

landmines you know for example climate

issues

from droughts to floods and stuff

and then also the farming inputs

sometimes they're substandard sometimes

they're fraudulent even

and then they don't have once they have

harvested

then they don't have buyers to buy it

and all those this compounded by the

fact that

they at times bet their house literally

to loan sharks because of lack of

financing right so anytime they step on

any of these landmines

it's game over for them the this this

perception yeah the the the farmer is

unbankable is to a certain extent valid

yeah right

where is the the best way of approaching

that issue is it to change the farmers

behavior or is it to change the model of

the lender to try and accommodate the

realities of the farmer in peace agro or

partnership for indonesia's sustainable

agriculture we actually have a triple

helix model of collaboration of the

three elements the private public and

the civil societies and we believe that

we have at least one possibility of the

answers we call this the inclusive

closed-loop

flywheel model

conclusive close loop flywheel

so nucleus i don't know if you're

familiar with it but nucleus is the

corporate-like industrialization of

plantation and plasma are the

smallholders own

and so the secret sauce really relies on

the relationship of this into

institution

how integrated are they

in the palm oil sector under this

nucleus plasma scheme the nucleus is

actually

uh have to guarantee the financing this

goes back to our financing question for

this plasma so the nucleus is the lead

actor exactly they're willing to foot up

the bill if anything goes wrong because

the closed integration is for the entire

cycle from planting or development all

the way to production all the way

through planting so this close

collaboration that's why we're calling

it the closest loop inclusive of msmes

micro small medium enterprises so that

is the really secret sauce of this whole

thing but just describe what that

nucleus consists of i mean where does

that money come from is that credit from

the government is that direct loans is

that so uh of course there's an

evolution from the 1980s to today today

the industry is so well off that

everybody already have capital but in

the past there was incentive by the

government

that the the interest rate was very low

so

those kind of things actually government

intervention is very important

but the palm oil industry now is

becoming

a really

almost like a monoculture and we want to

have it diversified right and when you

look at sector by sector they all have

different unique challenges but i still

believe that if you implement this

secret sauce the inclusive close loop

model

you will have this flywheel effect

that

uh that palm oil has seen in the lab so

what you're saying is that

this closed-loop model over 40 years has

demonstrated that we can build an

ecosystem of smallholder farmers

with all their disparate needs and

conditions and unite them with various

aspects of the value chain various

aspects of of activity in their field

bring them finance to the extent they

need and create

as you say a flywheel something that

that generates ongoing momentum and

provides them with success and lifts

them out of poverty exactly and why is

it that this successful model

is confined just to one industry because

we keep talking about how the problem is

scale the problem is replication the

problem is

getting everybody on board on a model

that works and everyone says there is no

model why is this not being used

elsewhere this inclusive closed loop is

something that we are

actually promoting under peace aggro so

partnership for indonesia's middle

agriculture

if you allow me

i'll describe it a little bit

so peace agro

is

started more than a decade ago from an

initiative by the world economic forum

at that time the it was called the new

vision for agriculture

and it's cascaded to indonesia to the

region by the name of group asia and

then to indonesia a space agro so we

have actually 25 strong members

composed of industry players government

as well as civil society now the goal of

peace agro is to improve productivity of

farmers by 20

thereby reducing uh poverty by 20 and

carbon admission by 20

and we have reached

over a million farmers across 11

agriculture commodities so this is not

only in palm

and we have the goal of 2 million by

2023 which is next year and we're very

confident we will surpass that

everyone you've spoken of has been

particularly in the commercial sector

where do we get in the sustainability

elements where do we get in the aspects

of carbon reduction where do we get in

the social impact elements into all of

this this is the great thing about this

inclusive cluster model because i truly

believe it is one solution that resolved

three main issues the triple piece

people planet and purpose

so it goes beyond just rural community

welfare

because

one of the root causes of let's say

forest fire in indonesia is when during

el nino or long drought

farmers open their land by burning

during normal season will be fine but

during a long drought

that's recipe for disaster so if you

provide

incentive or alternatives for

the rural community to not open the land

by burning but instead you know poultry

breeding or aquaculture production that

require much less land mass

then we will have a much better

environmental protection so i truly

believe that this inclusive close loop

will address the e part of the esg the

environmental side part

you have this situation where

you're trying to impart the information

that you're talking to and convince a

lot of farmers that they should behave

somewhat differently to the way perhaps

culturally instinctively historically

they have behaved how do you do that i

mean

informing them that there is a better

way that is better for the environment

makes sense on paper does it make sense

to the farmer and how do you actually

make the action happen it's the la first

of all

as a company it has to come from the top

right as the owner or the chairman or

the ceo whoever it is you have to ensure

that this view of the triple piece or

the esg must be a holistic approach

right from that your management team

actually have to spend a lot of touch

points

with the

people living in the village to make

sure that they see this i mean that does

mindset change at multiple for sure very

hard and you have to create again

incentive and this incentive to change

people's behavior so for example you

if you if they don't open their land by

burning there's some

uh monetary

reward by doing so but that's not enough

they still have to live from somewhere

so you need to give them seed capital to

have other entrepreneurship within the

within the community so these are the

kind of programs that we're trying to do

and again one of the contradictions is

once again between the commercial

imperatives and the sustainability the

sdg the carbon reduction imperatives

these are not necessarily always aligned

but i beg to differ i feel that it

actually it's it's

it's not completely a trade-off i

completely believe it's actually part of

the same solution so even in my palm oil

industry my primal company my ambition

is to have conservation

force

bigger than my palm plantation

why because i truly believe that

consumer behaviors as well as

the political will of governments

worldwide have now really

drive the demand for carbon offsets and

problem pricing and this is actually

aligned with what our

government is trying to push as well

indonesia is one of the few lungs left

in the world

we want to

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institute a global

uh carbon exchange hub

and i think it's a really uh uh

something that we have to commend

and with the g20 that as a host country

this year actually this is one of our

legacy events

and the other thing that i would like to

point out is i'm really happy that our

government

is using the

unsdgs the 17 sdgs as the gold standard

to which

esg are being measured

let's let's talk about the g20 agenda

you're you're gonna you're i mean you're

in charge of the trade and investment

element of the b20 right alongside the

g20 yeah what's the agenda you're going

to put forward there i mean how do you

think you can bring together the

businesses in this region particularly

to work together to achieve the kind of

goals we're talking about yeah

so i think within the trade and

investment task force there are three

elements one is resiliency in the health

security sense so we want to make sure

that there's transfer of technology for

the country to have vaccination and

essential medical goods so that's one

the second one is actually inclusivity

so this whole thing about inclusive

closed loop is something that we're

pushing forward

so not only this inclusive model becomes

a national movement through our peace

aggro model and i can talk to you about

jakarta food security summit which i

i need to talk about this because this

is where we showcase

our efforts of the one to two million

farmers is this possible

this is not this is before even before

okay this is part of peace aggro so

just to tell you a little bit about it

even before pandemic we have thousands

of participants local and and

international

we have close to 60 ambassadors and

international reps

present at the event

even during covet we continue virtually

so it is already becoming a national

movement but what we're trying to do

with g20 and b20 is to make this an

international movement i just had my

third task force call yesterday with

close to 140 members global members

with eight or nine co-chairs

and one of our ideas or legacy events

that we want to leave behind during this

presidency is a inclusivity pledge

using this inclusive close-up model as

being the framework

and i've gotten really positive response

so this is something that we want to do

at the summit hopefully

we're still

fine-tuning the wording of it

but in addition to the pledge what i

want to showcase as well are best

practices so stories to tell

i know some of our members

even in the retail side not outside of

the agriculture they mention hundreds of

thousands of msmes that they're

nurturing and

half of them are women-led so you know

these are the things that we need to

showcase to create awareness

and then

also to create sort of peer pressure

by showing a dashboard if you will

where people can be measured where

corporates can be measured and whether

you're doing well you know there's an

incentive if you're not doing so well we

help you to get to

the other to the upper level the agendas

of the b-20 and the asean region

all this talk of collaboration of

working together of solving the last

mile problems and to putting the finance

into the hands of things even your the

closed loop model they all sound good on

paper but are they actually applicable

are they actually being implemented i

mean i know you've spoken very

positively about this happening there is

always room for improvement right and

my my philosophy always always start

with the person in the mirror which is

yourself you know ourselves

and then we get together with

business leaders of the same mission

like-minded business people

and then and that's what peace agro is

all about and then you engage the

government so we are utilizing this

aggro platform grow asia platform

the

jakarta food security summit to showcase

this

to get more involvement right and i

agree with you getting the government to

be involved is actually a game changer

not only

you know

no one has more resources than the

government so they provide the you know

the land

the

regulation

the

infrastructure which is needed right for

uh to make sure that irrigation and

everything is being done and also the

certification part so what is needed to

get to the fight actually the government

is starting to get involved but it takes

years we have done jakarta for

i think it was number four number five

which times you know by annual so it's

like eight years ten years right

but the fight you just have to continue

you can't you can't stop and we are at

least reassure me that it's speeding up

and exactly so from one million we have

two million uh target by next year so

it's by numbers right and when you

measure things it's going to get done

uh and we are leveraging on this b20

g20 event to take it to the next level

and you mentioned earlier on

digitalization i mean presumably a lot

of this is based upon technology and

traceability using digital

means

so how important is that

so actually they are

what i consider my most

recent

heroes

of the world of agriculture

you know these millennial agri-tech

startups founders

and i do see this mushrooming

of agritech startups no pun intended to

really make a change in the farmers or

fisherman's life truly and i can

segmentize these startups into three

categories

the upstream productivity of farmers

that's where they focus

the middle the middle one

are the supply chain because from

farmers to

consumer 50

food wastage by some research

and then those that actually focus just

linking the two

through their platform

one important insight is that

no matter where this their starting

point is

they all aspire to integrate the three

segmentations of the supply chain and bs

omni solution to the farmers and

consumers so i'll give you one example

uh e-fishery is now commanding probably

a real one of the highest valuation

and their focus is improving the life of

fishermen in improving the in the fish

pond i don't know if you know this but

80 percent of the cost

amongst fishermen is actually 80 of them

is aqua feed feed aqua feed and they

invest in this iot internet of things

where they can sense when the fish

actually needs the food instead of just

uh you know uh giving it at any given

point in time so not only you reduce the

amount of feed you give you actually

harvest the fish much sooner by a few

months so this is a huge productivity so

you know the technology

plays a role but we go back to one of

the earlier problems we talked about is

how do we get it into the hands of the

right people how do we organize it

orchestrated and make it talk to each

other i mean coordinate all the

different parts of value chain using

that technology i would even go farther

than that i would even say that

when you overlay this digital technology

over inclusive false loop you really

have this explosive breakthrough in the

in the in the

agricultural world

and the example that i give you just now

on efficiency not only they're improving

the upstream portion by the female but

now

they're providing

even bnpl

uh financing model right now

pay later

even even they catch on that so we

talked earlier on about access to

finance

there you go and all of them eventually

will provide financing to the farmers so

these platforms when you improve on

certain segments they will they will

continue to enhance the product line and

the great thing is money is being thrown

at them by investors and i truly believe

that this is the moment of breakthrough

that you were looking for the answer i'm

afraid i'm still going to be cynical

with you and say you've described a

wonderful situation where we have the

capacity and to a certain extent the the

desire to create better systems but you

know human nature and cynicism in itself

tends to tend to lead us to to to

remember that we've been here a lot of

times before and there's a lot of bad

actors in the situation

a lot of it will rely on getting the

mindset changes and the collaboration

purposes tell me how you're going to

bring people together to act rather than

talk i think the best way to engage

people is like leading by example that's

why we're doing this in our companies

we have

in the past only palm and rubber now we

are going to corn we're going to rice so

you need to lead by example but you also

get together with other players that's

there's four we have a platform called

peace agro we have platform for great

asia that's why i'm here i don't

normally like to give interviews or

discussion but i feel compelled to do so

because

we do want to

be

evangelical in terms of

spreading

the

inclusive closed loop

secret recipe which is it's not rocket

science

but you just need the tenacity to

continue to implement it so so give us

the pitch

uh you know within your own activities

obviously you can bring those ideas to

bear how do you get other people to join

how do you get other people to to not

only buy into the substance but

collaborate with each other to make it

happen where what is the incentive for

those people to do such things well i'll

tell you i mean i told you about the

example of peace agro we didn't start

with 25 members today we already have 25

members

we didn't have 1 million farmers right

now we already have more than 1 million

it will get to 2 million i'm very

confident we will surpass that 2 million

next year

we're adding a few members into our

board

in our piece aggro as well

what role does the finance industry play

in the inclusive closed loop model it's

huge but my point is the financial

institution

is only supporting it you still need the

off taker you need still need the

nucleus you still need

the leading actor to ensure that this

entire value chain is being done banks

would not give directly to smallholders

unless they know there's it will be paid

back they know that the product will be

sold to the right person so that's the

reason why

the corporate uh or the nucleus is so

important the role is so important and

this is why i'm trying to convince more

and more business leaders to adopt the

inclusive closed loop whatever

agriculture sector you are aquaculture

sector you are it's being proven

so i told you just now that efficiency

is already transforming into a financial

institution through their binocular

model

and i think the digital

startups

are are taking the lead in this actually

not the traditional players anymore i

think it's the agriculture that the

agritech players will do that the

aquaculture there are so many

organizations institutions

groups

initiatives

approaching this problem approaching

these issues from slightly different

angles

how do we create a situation where that

collaboration doesn't itself become

siloed where each individual group of

collaborators doesn't sort of become a

silo in their own how do we make sure

that collaboration as a principle

becomes the dominating

element of how we do these things i mean

i

the way i go through this kind of things

first it has to come from me right i

mean for each individual person for me

it's always you have to put what is the

greater mission the greater mission is

what drives you

and

i hate politics i don't want to get into

the politics of things

and i think the the true north star

should be dead are we doing this because

of the greater mission or are we doing

this because of some other reason so i

think that mentality that mindset have

to be ingrained in the organization

and that's what i try to to do uh

to to make sure that the spirit you know

the greater mission

is above everything else and you are

involved to a large extent with grow

asia and a number of these other

collaborative platforms um how do we

encourage people what advice would you

give to grow asia if it wants to be a

player in that space and to the other

platforms in that space to to grow

themselves in the way that you're

talking about the kind of growth that we

need i mean i don't mean to

uh to lecture or anything i mean grow

asia is actually the super body right

it's aggro we're we're supporting grow

asia so i don't mean to

to to be arrogant enough to tell people

what to do but i think in our small ways

is to

uh to show by examples so we will be

more than happy if there are more

business leaders who would like to

follow our footsteps we will be open

an open book we can tell you what the

secret sauce we will provide you with

our technical expertise the more people

that participate in this effort

is is better for

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the country for the world and also for

obviously for the farmers themselves

let me finish by

addressing one of the big picture issues

and that is

the movement

um that we're already seeing to a large

extent but it's still just a beginning

of business leaders

taking on the esg message and really

acting on it within their own companies

you're going to sit at the b-20 coming

up indonesia's

driving of the g20 and asean leadership

in the next couple of years

is a really good platform to push those

messages are they going to be the key

messages

and how do you think that's going to pan

out do you think business is going that

way

for sure it's already happening

i think

even before g20 b20 i think this

coveting

really accelerated a lot of things and i

think green transition is one of them

i was going to ask you what would

success look like to you after these

events and i guess it would be the mass

adoption of this closed loop model

exactly and i think the keywords

adoption not only the signing of the

pledge but truly an adoption and we can

measure it and hopefully the things that

can be measured is being done

by gary very nice talking to you thank

you so much for giving your time thank

you pate more as well thank you for the

time and the questions

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