The First Preachers were Women?

Summary

The script discusses the role of women in preaching and teaching within the church, arguing against the notion that women were the first to preach the gospel. It emphasizes biblical passages that suggest women should not hold authoritative roles such as pastor or elder. The speaker refutes claims that women like Mary Magdalene or the Samaritan woman were the first gospel preachers, asserting that the Bible clearly designates leadership roles to men, while acknowledging women's valuable contributions in other capacities.

Takeaways

• 📖 The speaker argues that the first gospel preacher in the Bible was a woman, specifically Mary Magdalene, who announced Jesus' resurrection.
• 🙅‍♀️ The speaker refutes the idea that women should be silent in the church, stating that women can preach and give the gospel, but not in an official capacity such as a pastor or elder.
• 👥 The speaker emphasizes the importance of context when interpreting biblical scripture, criticizing those who take verses out of context to support their views.
• 👉 The speaker challenges the notion that women were the first to preach the gospel, pointing out that Jesus and his disciples preached the gospel before the events at the tomb.
• 🤔 The speaker questions the argument that women were used by God in unique ways, such as Mary's virgin birth, to suggest that women can hold all roles in the church.
• 👩‍🏫 The speaker discusses the role of women in teaching and leadership, referencing biblical figures like Priscilla and Deborah, but asserts that these roles were not the same as being a pastor or elder.
• 🚫 The speaker asserts that the Bible clearly states women should not teach or exercise authority over men, using 1 Timothy 2:12 as a key reference.
• 🔍 The speaker encourages individuals to examine the scriptures themselves rather than relying on others' interpretations, to avoid being misled.
• 👥 The speaker mentions that the qualifications for church leadership, such as elders, are given as male in the Bible, reinforcing the idea that these roles are not for women.
• 💬 The speaker addresses the complexity of the issue, acknowledging that there are differing interpretations within the Christian community, but maintains a firm stance on the biblical instruction regarding women's roles.
• 🙏 The speaker concludes by urging adherence to the Bible's teachings on the roles of women in the church, rejecting the idea that societal changes should alter these biblical guidelines.

Q & A

Who is considered the first person to preach the gospel according to the speaker?

The speaker argues that the first person to preach the gospel was a woman, specifically Mary, who carried the word of Jesus' resurrection.

What does the speaker believe is the role of women in the context of preaching and the church?

The speaker believes that while women can give the gospel and share their testimonies, they cannot hold official positions such as pastor, elder, or deacon as per the teachings of the Bible.

What is the speaker's view on the argument that women were the first to preach the gospel?

The speaker refutes this argument, stating that the gospel was preached by others before the events at the tomb, and that the women at the tomb did not preach the complete gospel.

What biblical figure does the speaker mention as an example of a woman who was used by God but should not be considered as having preached the gospel?

The speaker mentions Mary, the mother of Jesus, as an example of a woman used by God but clarifies that her role was not to preach the gospel in an official capacity.

What does the speaker say about the biblical qualifications for pastors and leaders in the church?

The speaker asserts that the Bible clearly outlines qualifications for pastors and leaders, which are specifically for men, indicating that women cannot hold these positions.

How does the speaker address the argument that certain women in the Bible, such as Deborah, held positions of authority?

The speaker explains that Deborah's role was given to her due to the shame of Israel and that she is not listed in the 'faith Hall of Fame' in Hebrews 11, suggesting her role was not meant to be a normative example for the church.

What does the speaker believe about the context of the biblical instructions regarding women's roles?

The speaker argues that the instructions regarding women's roles in the church are not context-specific but are meant to be universal and timeless teachings of the Bible.

What is the speaker's view on the interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:12?

The speaker believes that 1 Timothy 2:12 clearly states that women are not to teach or exercise authority over men, which is a universal principle, not just for the time it was written.

How does the speaker respond to the idea that women can preach if there are no men available?

The speaker maintains that even if no men are available, women still cannot function as official teachers or leaders in the church, as per the biblical teachings.

What does the speaker suggest is the proper role for women in the church according to the Bible?

The speaker suggests that women can give the gospel, share their testimonies, worship, and pray in public, but they cannot lead, teach, or have authority over men in the church.

Outlines

00:00

🙌 Women's Role in Preaching the Gospel

The speaker challenges the notion that women were the first to preach the gospel, highlighting the importance of context in biblical interpretation. They argue against the idea that women were silent in the early church, citing examples of women like Mary Magdalene who played significant roles. The speaker emphasizes that while women can share the gospel, the Bible restricts them from official church leadership roles such as pastor or elder.

05:00

🤔 Debating Women in Ministry: Context and Interpretation

This paragraph delves into the debate surrounding women in ministry, with the speaker expressing their stance that women should not hold positions such as pastor or elder. The speaker refutes the idea that women were the first gospel preachers, using biblical examples and emphasizing the importance of context. They argue against twisting scriptures to fit modern interpretations and maintain that the Bible's teachings on this matter are clear and not time-bound.

10:02

📖 The Scripture on Women Preaching: A Closer Look

The speaker scrutinizes the argument that women were the first to preach the gospel, specifically examining the story of the woman at the well from John 4. They clarify that while the woman shared her experience with Jesus, she did not preach the complete gospel message. The speaker also discusses the broader context of gospel preaching in the Bible, noting that Jesus and his disciples preached the gospel before the events at the tomb, thus women were not the first preachers.

15:03

🚫 The Limits of Women's Roles in the Church

In this paragraph, the speaker addresses the restrictions on women's roles in the church as outlined in the Bible. They discuss the qualifications for church leaders, emphasizing that these roles are reserved for men. The speaker refutes the idea that women cannot give the gospel or share their testimonies, but maintains that they cannot function as teachers or in authority over men in an official church capacity.

20:04

👥 Priscilla and Aquilla: A Case Study in Biblical Teaching

The speaker examines the story of Priscilla and Aquilla, a couple who taught Apollos, to argue against the idea that women cannot teach or have authority in the church. They clarify that the Bible does not support the notion of women leading or teaching in an official capacity, and that the story of Priscilla and Aquilla does not contradict this. The speaker also addresses the broader issue of biblical interpretation and the importance of understanding the cultural context.

25:05

📜 Biblical Qualifications for Church Leadership

The speaker discusses the biblical qualifications for church leaders, emphasizing that these roles are designated for men. They argue against the idea that cultural context should alter the interpretation of these qualifications. The speaker maintains that the Bible's teachings on gender roles in church leadership are consistent and not specific to any particular time or place, and that these teachings should be followed as written.

🙅‍♀️ Women's Role in the Church: A Biblical Perspective

In the final paragraph, the speaker summarizes their position on women's roles in the church, reiterating that while women can preach and share the gospel, they cannot hold official positions such as pastor, elder, or deacon. The speaker stresses the importance of adhering to the Bible's teachings and warns against twisting scriptures to fit personal beliefs or societal changes.

Keywords

💡Gospel

The term 'gospel' refers to the good news of the coming, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In the video, it is discussed that the first person to preach the gospel was a woman, which is a central point of contention in the debate about women's roles in religious leadership. The script mentions 'the first gospel preacher ever was a woman', highlighting the historical significance of women in spreading the Christian message.

💡Mary Magdalene

Mary Magdalene is a prominent figure in Christian theology, known as the first person to witness the resurrection of Jesus. The script emphasizes her role in proclaiming the resurrection, stating 'Mary Magdalene was the first person to see Jesus after he rose from the dead', which positions her as a key figure in the early Christian narrative and the spread of the gospel.

💡Samaritan Woman

The Samaritan woman is a biblical character who had an encounter with Jesus at a well, leading to her sharing her experience with others in her town. The script references her as 'the woman at the well' and discusses the debate over whether she was the first to preach the gospel, which is central to the discussion on the role of women in ministry.

💡Preaching

Preaching in this context refers to the act of proclaiming religious beliefs or the gospel. The script debates the roles of women in preaching, with arguments presented that 'the first person to ever preach the gospel was a woman', challenging traditional views on who was responsible for spreading the Christian message.

💡Women in Ministry

This concept deals with the role and participation of women in religious leadership and ministry. The script explores this topic extensively, questioning traditional interpretations and presenting different perspectives, such as 'if women got to be quiet and can't preach how in the heck did Mary carry Jesus', which reflects on the historical contributions of women to Christian ministry.

💡Scriptural Interpretation

Scriptural interpretation refers to the process of understanding and explaining the meaning of biblical texts. The script delves into this topic, criticizing those who 'Twist why, because he knows that there're going to be people that are simply not going to want to go and look at the scriptures themselves', emphasizing the importance of accurate interpretation in understanding the Bible's teachings on women's roles.

💡Deborah

Deborah is a biblical figure known for her leadership role in the Old Testament. The script mentions her in the context of women's roles in leadership, stating 'look at Deborah and look at Esther and look at junked who saved Moses', using her as an example of a woman who held a significant position in biblical times.

💡1 Timothy 2:12

This is a specific verse from the Bible that is often cited in discussions about women's roles in the church. The script references this verse, 'I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man', to argue against women holding positions of authority in religious settings.

💡Priscilla

Priscilla is mentioned in the New Testament as a woman who, along with her husband Aquila, was involved in teaching. The script uses her as an example to challenge the interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:12, stating 'what about Priscilla didn't she teach over a man', suggesting that there were exceptions to the general rule against women teaching.

💡Elders

In the context of the script, elders refer to the leaders or overseers in a church. The discussion about elders is tied to the qualifications for these roles, with the script stating 'you'll notice they're male not female', indicating that the traditional view is that elders should be men, which is a point of contention in the debate over women's roles.

💡Cultural Context

Cultural context refers to the social and cultural environment in which a text is written or an event occurs. The script discusses the importance of considering the cultural context of biblical writings, such as 'because of the economy that we had there because of the con the situation', to argue that some prohibitions may have been specific to the time and not necessarily applicable today.

Highlights

The first person to preach the gospel in the Bible was a woman, Mary Magdalene.

Debate on whether women can be pastors or hold official church roles, with biblical references.

The argument that women were the first to preach the gospel, including Mary and the Samaritan woman.

Critique of using scriptures out of context or twisting them to fit modern interpretations.

The importance of understanding the historical and cultural context of biblical passages.

Discussion on the role of women in ministry and whether they can preach or teach in the church.

The assertion that women can give the gospel but not in an official capacity as a deacon, pastor, or elder.

Examination of biblical figures like Deborah, Esther, and Rahab and their roles in salvation history.

The argument that women were used by God in unique ways, such as Mary's virgin birth, but this doesn't equate to church leadership roles.

Critique of the idea that women should be silent in church based on 1 Corinthians 14 and 1 Timothy 2.

The claim that women can prophesy and have revelations but within certain biblical guidelines.

Discussion on the qualifications for church leaders as outlined in the New Testament.

The assertion that the Bible does not support women leading or teaching men in an official church capacity.

The debate on whether biblical instructions for women are time-specific or universal.

The argument that women can have a significant role in the church without holding official leadership positions.

The importance of not exceeding what is written in the Bible regarding the roles of men and women in the church.

Final thoughts on the role of women in preaching and the importance of adhering to biblical teachings.

Transcripts

[Applause]

you know the first women in the Bible

that preached the resurrection was women

that the first person to ever preach the

gospel was a woman it was a woman Mary

who carried the word did you know this

apparently I missed this apparently a

lot of us missed this that the first

person the first people or person

depending on who you ask to carry the

gospel to preach the gospel was a woman

in the Bible the very first gospel

preacher ever was a woman the first

first woman preacher was a woman that

was

unnamed she was the Samaritan woman that

Jesus was speaking to Mary Magdalene was

the first person to see Jesus after he

rose from the dead she told people that

Jesus lived he died and he rose again

and run to Mary who carried the word so

if women got to be quiet and can't

preach how in the heck did Mary carry

Jesus who was the word all those clips

and there are hundreds maybe even

thousands of others like that all of

them are incorrect the first people to

preach the first person the First

Peoples to preach the gospel were not

women I know it's fful today because

there is an attempt and there will

always be an attempt to do just what

Satan did incidentally enough to a woman

in the garden did God say and then if

you say well yes God did say well then

what's Satan's next Ploy that's not what

he meant that's not how we should

understand this and so we see that today

and it's always been that case the devil

is going to use scripture Twisted why

because he knows that there're going to

be people that are simply not going to

want to go and look at the scriptures

themselves or are just too lazy they

don't care they don't want to they have

no interest or maybe it's just that I

like it this way I like the new revised

version of The Gospel I like Bible 2.0

that allows me to do whatever it is that

I want to and that allows us to conform

to the world let me just say this

upfront and we'll go into their lessons

into their into their comments into

their points and we'll just see how

they're wrong but if anyone is preaching

to you telling you that the Bible is

okay with women being pastors leave that

person alone because what else are they

all distorted it's not to say that women

cannot preach meaning that women can't

give the gospel that's not what it's

saying there are people in the Bible

that gave what the word of God is and

they happen to be women but can they be

in an official capacity in an office

such as a deacon such as a pastor or an

elder the Bible is clear no so let's go

and look at some of these arguments

let's listen to them and then let's just

see how one I think absolutely laughable

but really how serious this is so

someone left this comment on a post we

did and I wouldn't normally address it

but I don't know I got time today yeah

we don't do that over here at

empowerment we don't do non-contextual

iseal readings of the word we understand

that you have to put the word in context

so what they're always going to say is

they're going to come back and say that

when the Bible is speaking about women

the several times the many times about

women you've got to keep it in context

and so because he's thrown out the word

isogo and in context well no he is

literally doing the very thing that he's

saying that others aren't doing he's

isoing Texas and he is going to take

them out of context as a matter of fact

not take them out of context but give

them a new context and we understand

that it was a woman Mary who carried the

word the only reason why we have access

to Jesus is because of a woman if if if

your heart skipped a beat if your mind

moved around and came back it's because

what he said was just absolutely

unbiblical the only reason that we have

access to Jesus is because of Mary no

I'm sorry but all things were made

through him including Mary it he was in

she was impregnated by the power of the

Holy Spirit if it wasn't Mary it would

have been Jenny it would have been Lisa

it would have been April it would have

been Sandy it would have been who

knows but God is going to get what he

wants to get done and so he just chose

Mary at that point in time oh by the way

thank God for Joseph for being a just

man not want to put her away but the

point is he didn't need either one of

them he could have done it with anyone

because he's God we don't have access to

Jesus because of Mary Mary was used Mary

was a chosen vessel Mary also needed to

have her sins forgiven and she had to

confess him as Lord as Savior which she

did and it was a woman who first

preached the gospel the good news of the

resurrection of Jesus so we believe

fully in God's ability to use half the

population of the world we're going to

come back to that again it was a woman

who first preached the gospel now they

can't get their story straight was it

the woman at the wh or was it the women

or the woman at the tune half the

population of the world to bring other

people into a loving growing

life-changing relationship with himself

and I know that there are plenty of

churches that believe differently that

choose to interpret the word differently

but when you come to empowerment just

know that Pastor Fingal is as much the

pastor of our church as I am so here you

have where you've got maybe this a

husband and wife couple what you see

more and more you see husband and wife

couples and because a husband wife

couple what's the husband going to do

what the same thing the wife is going to

do twist the scriptures to make so that

she can fit uh but we've got a problem

we literally have qualifications for

pastors but we'll come to that in a

little bit and I came across this

particular gentleman who says it

passionately but he says it passionately

yet ignorantly stop using script ures to

kill people we want to run over there

where Paul said women be quiet in the

church well after you run over there and

get that run to the Old Testament and

look at Deborah and look at Esther and

look at junked who saved Moses and look

at shiffer and po who made sure the boys

didn't die in Egypt and run to Mary who

carried the word so if women got to be

quiet and can't preach how in the heck

did Mary carry Jesus who was the word

Mary carried the word no no Mary was

used by God to do this it's not that

that and and by the way this is not Mary

preaching the gospel that's number one

it's a silly argument how C how is it

she can carry Jesus or carry the word

but not preach the word couple of things

one no one is saying that she can't give

the gospel she can't function in a

particular capacity which is why you

don't see any women functioning in these

official capacities in the church church

so let's get away from this little silly

argument that she carried the word and

so if Mary could carry the word well

then other women can too I'm sorry are

other women giving birth to babies while

still being a virgin no so women can't

do what Mary did because the Holy Spirit

isn't doing in them what he did in Mary

and that was for one specific time for

one specific purpose Mary fulfilled her

her role stop making her out to be more

than what she is and stop saying that

people are hurting people with the

scriptures as Paul says am I your enemy

because I tell you the truth the truth

is women cannot function in that

capacity and like the other brother said

earlier that we're we're limiting half

of the population well first of all far

less than half of the population are

qualified to actually preach not just

women but men half the population can't

preach because most of the population

isn't even save and then even in that

half of the Christian population can't

preach because they're not qualified

whether it be men or women now I want to

address this issue of Deborah also

Deborah was given in this position to do

at the shame of Israel that part is

clear as a matter of fact she makes that

statement to Barack and what I want to

show you guys is though Deborah did her

job notice this in Hebrews 11 we are

going over the what we call the faith

Hall of Fame those whose faith is credit

to them notice in Hebrews

11:32 and what more shall I say for time

will fail me if I tell of Gideon Barack

Samson and jeffi do you know who Barack

is Barack is the man who Deborah told to

why isn't Deborah's name here now we've

got rahab's name here go up a little

further we have rahab's name but we

instead of seeing Deborah's name here we

see Barack is that a slight against uh

Deborah no it's not but let's make sure

that we keep Deborah in her proper place

her proper perspective she is not if she

were around during the New Testament

time she could not be a pastor she could

not be an elder that part should not

Escape you guys stop letting people come

up with some sort of fanciful ways to

kind of go behind what the scriptures

say the only person who showed up to the

tomb when he got

up was a woman that nobody liked and

Jesus had to tell the

woman who was woke cuz the brothers were

sleep told the woman come here baby do

me a favor

go tell Pete and them I'm

woke so can I just say this this is

going to make a lot of people mad cuz

you know everybody has this debate about

whether or not women should be in

Ministry I have an argument that the

first person to ever preach the gospel

was a woman now the irony of all of this

is that this is a man who has told women

to shh hush quiet silence in the name of

Jesus yeah stop her

sh hush hush

silence in the name of Jesus but I want

to deal with something that you're going

to keep hearing about women preaching

the gospel the first ones to preach the

gospel I'll come back to that first ones

preach the gospel in a second but at the

tomb what happened first Peter 2 a woman

AR to remain in silence it's a text out

of context because when God said it the

women at the time at the church of

Corinth and the other churches they were

practicing prostitution outside of the

church now let's go to 1 Timothy 2:12

and let's look at something Paul writes

this letter it's a pastoral epistle he's

writing to Timothy two letters to

Timothy as well as to Titus now what the

if we're going to keep things in context

and we're going to see what's happening

we find out that these letters that are

being sent around to Colossians and so

forth they are also to be disseminated

amongst the other churches so what Paul

is telling Timothy and Titus as well as

others in some of these churches they

are intended for circulation because

they are for training now with Titus and

Timothy specifically he's teaching them

how to plant churches and how to choose

Elders we'll look at his qualifications

for those that he chooses to be Elders

you'll notice they're male not female

they have a XY chromosomal makeup Paul

doesn't care what these people these

guys who don't know the scriptures who

have not been moved by the spirit to say

so he does care what they're saying he

is being led by the Lord and he tells

Paul I mean sorry he tells pet pet or

Timothy tells him this he says I do not

allow a woman to teach or exercise

authority over a man she cannot teach

over a man she cannot exercise authority

over man now some are going to say well

wait wait a second what about uh

Priscilla didn't she teach over a man

did she first of all we don't know what

Priscilla said at all if anything are

they just linked together maybe she said

something but who was she there with she

was there with her husband we don't know

to what degree and what amount Priscilla

said or Aquilla said but she certainly

was not teaching over Apollos and she

certainly was not exercising authority

over paus stop letting people tell you

more or as a brother said isoing into a

text and then we talk about context well

what's the context of First Timothy well

let's continue for it was Adam who was

first created and then

Eve when he gives a reason for why the

woman cannot EX exercise Authority or

teach over men he didn't say what he

just said because the women were doing

this or this was happening in that

culture that's not what Paul went to

Paul said for it was Adam I'm sorry it

was yeah Adam who was first created and

then Eve and it was Eve who was deceived

and then Adam fell into transgression

Paul could have simply because he was

there he understand the context he could

have simply stated what the context was

what was happening in that time and they

were coming in deceiving the men so God

says for a season I need the women to be

quiet so I can talk to the men did Paul

say that for a season well that's

classic isoing he didn't say anything

like that for just this moment for just

this brief period if it was just for

this brief period and not for the rest

of the church why then do we have this

in the cannon he did not mean for women

in

2024 to be silenced in the Church of God

and how do I know because when Jesus got

out of the grave

Peter and John was sleep it was a woman

named Mary the First Gospel message was

preached by a woman because Jesus said

Mary go tell my disciples and Peter that

I'm alive why do they keep saying that

Peter and John were asleep the Bible

doesn't say if they were as sleep or not

the Bible does say that at all you want

to demean them which is funny why would

you ever want to demean the actual

Apostles just for the sake of uplifting

something that's not scriptural so let's

go ahead and deal with this issue about

the First Gospel preachers being a woman

either Mary or the woman at the well

let's first go to uh Mary matter of fact

I'm sorry I'm sorry let's go to woman at

the well first let's go to woman at the

well first first let's go to John

chapter 4 Jesus is speaking this woman

now she's trying to figure out who he is

Jesus says to her I am he EO I'm the one

that you that you're talking about I'm

that person I'm the Messiah and so what

does she do so the woman left her water

pot and went to the city and said to the

men come see a man who told me all the

things that I have done this is not the

Christ is it they went out of the city

and were coming to him so now let's drop

down and let's go see what the men say

when they show up from that City many of

the Samaritans believed in him because

of the word of the woman who testified

he told me all the things that I have

done so when the Samaritans came to

Jesus they were asked asking him to stay

with them and he stayed there two days

many more believed because of his word

and they were saying to the woman it is

no longer because of what you said that

we believe for we heard for ourselves

and know that this is the one indeed the

savior of the world couple of things did

she say that he was the savior of the

world now she pontificated she

questioned she thought he told me

everything is this the Messiah is this

the one and so they believed what she

said and they went investigated but did

she give the gospel no she did not they

understand that the Messiah is coming

but there was no talk about at this

point in time about repentance she

didn't give that she didn't give the a

complete gospel now are we saying that

what she said was wrong no no but let's

stop making her out to be the greatest

preacher since uh this side of of

Spurgeon or Edwards or whomever else

she's not she was told about her past

and she went and told other people in

other words hey come see this man that

I've met he told me everything could

this possibly be the Messiah did she say

some other things we don't know we don't

know maybe she did give a Full Gospel

makes you wonder and I'll get get that a

second but makes you wonder how could

she have given a Full Gospel at this

point in time well we're going to find

out how she could have if indeed she did

but the Bible didn't say she did now

what happens the angel tells them that

he is not here come see where he lays

later they do come back and they and and

Jesus tells them go tell the disciples

but what did they tell the disciples to

do that Jesus is

risen is that the gospel well that's

part of the Gospel let's just even say

that is the gospel Jesus is not sending

them to go be my to be my Apostles my

disciples that's not what Jesus did if

you're going to say that the women were

the first to preach the gospel we've got

a problem as a matter of fact you guys

can do this just go

uh do a word search do it on your

computer if you got a concordance or

just look up in the scriptures where you

know the gospel is preached we're going

to find places like oh I don't know

Roman like Luke 9:6 departing they that

is the disciples began going throughout

the villages what were the disciples

doing preaching the gospel and healing

everywhere so my question is this does

that precede what happened at the tomb

sure it does so you cannot say that the

first people to preach the gospel were

women no it it it's not that is not the

case Jesus was preaching the gospel yeah

but that's Jesus what about John John

came preparing the way John said repent

for the king of heav at hand John was he

preaching the gospel I don't know but

certainly the gospel was preached long

before Jesus death burial and

Resurrection they knew what was going to

happen and so they preached that the

kingdom of God is is at hand that they

knew what was going to happen and they

preached that that's what the Bible says

the good news now when man Mary or the

other ladies are told to go tell someone

the word yalon is not there they did not

there's no instruction no description

said that they were told or they were

telling the gospel so we need to move

away from that if anyone is going to say

something so backwards so wrong so

unscriptural without any support that's

a person that you need to move away from

that's a person you don't need to listen

to Because if you're going to twist the

scriptures for this you'll twist it for

anything now before I move forward I

want want to make it clear no one is

saying nor should anyone ever say that

women cannot be used or women are not

useful women are part of the body and so

they will be used they just won't be

used as pastors as a matter of fact the

overwhelming majority of people in the

body won't be used as pastors won't be

used as teachers won't be used in that

official capacity but they're still just

as honorable of a position in the body

as the pastor now there's a stricter

kind of nation and judgment against the

pastor and the teacher and so therefore

uh you probably don't want that position

anyway but we're not saying no one is

saying that women cannot be used women

can't give the gospel someone needs to

hear the gospel wait a minute there's no

man around let me go find a man because

I a woman and I can't I can't give the

gospel no one saying that give the

gospel if someone is in error and you're

they're trying to figure that and you

can lend your word you're not

functioning as a teacher you're not

teaching over the man you're not

usurping Authority you're just doing

your job as a as a believer but in this

capacity Paul once ordered now some are

going to say well it was for that time

that context there's a couple problems

with that couple problems that and I'll

address in a second because even people

who seem to be biblically sound or at

least for the most part of sound still

fall into this area what about this bit

about not allowing a woman to teach well

that's weird cuz Paul had a woman named

Priscilla teach the great preacher named

Apollos notice what he's doing Priscilla

taught

Apollos is that correct no Priscilla and

Aquilla or Aquilla and Priscilla pulled

apollis to the side and corrected him

gave him a full understanding what did

Priscilla say to

Apollos anyone no one can tell us

because we don't know we don't know how

again we don't know how much she said we

don't know how much her husband said but

what we want to do often times is

disregard her husband and give her the

role of leadership that's not what we

see there at all but now I'm

disappointed in how he adds some things

to this as well so what's going on here

but what's the name of the movie where

Barbara stran plays that young Jewish

woman yent right go watch the movie yent

and what you learn is Young Jewish women

were not allowed to get an education

so Paul is essentially saying ladies if

you've not had an education don't

presume to be a teacher is that what

that says is that he should be he should

be ashamed of himself and I respect him

but to say ladies if you haven't had an

education don't presume to be

teachers is that same thing stated for

men you have to have an education to be

teachers but obviously those women who

did get an education Paul used his

teachers as he used Priscilla to teach

the great preacher Apollo this is so bad

so backwards so just ridiculous for him

to say so we don't know what these

people's background is and know by the

way what education did the disciples

have what was their what was their

education now they walked with Jesus so

that's enough but what about the others

there are people in the Bible that we

see that are that are being used we have

no idea what their education was but

they are learning they're doing what the

Bible tells them to do and still Paul as

well as the rest of the Bible Li certain

offices to men now the question that

someone going to say well wait a second

what about what was happening in that

Society what was happening in Ephesus

Paul writes his letter to Timothy who at

the time is in Ephesus so this is only

applying to Ephesus the problem with

that is when he writes his letter to the

church in Ephesus he doesn't mention

this Paul doesn't bring this up why is

that why is that cliff and other people

will bring up something that the Bible

doesn't bring up were there issues in

the church at Ephesus well yes there

were issues in the Church of Corinth

there were also issues in the Church of

Philipp there are also issues in issues

in the church in all of them Paul

doesn't bring this up and say it's only

specific to the church at Ephesus or

what about the church in Corinth because

he also makes the same statement to the

to the church specifically in the letter

to the church in Corinthians so are we

saying these are two issues that are

happening only in these two places and

it only applies there it doesn't apply

anywhere else well if you're going to

say the reason was because women were

out of order they were worshiping these

fertility gods and they were all had all

these different things happening is that

happening now the same thing that you're

saying the reason for Paul forbidding

women to

preach aren't the same things happening

now they are so maybe it still applies

but Paul wasn't doing that because of

the because of the economy that we had

there because of the con the situation

Paul was doing so because that was what

it was going to be from the beginning

remember this is why Paul hearkens back

to Adam and Eve in their fall and what

does God say

God said that her desire will be for

that man but he shall rule over you he

didn't change that he didn't abdicate

that those things are still in place

even in the church who leads the the

household the man just like he leads the

body which Paul brings this up as a

qualifications notice what he says it is

a trustworthy statement If any man

aspires to the office of overseer now

the word man we can't use to say it's a

male because it's the Greek word Tis so

we're not saying if this means just

anyone a person but then when he says he

must be the husband of one wife the word

is mikas Andra which is a a woman onom

man that man part that male part Andra

that means something they have to be a

male and then he also speaks about him

managing his household this is office is

relegated to that of a woman and so when

Paul says to keep silent in the church

he means not that they can't ever say

any words because it just said in in in

1 Corinthians 11 that when she is given

a revelation or uttering or informing or

telling that's what the word prophesied

mean that she has to do it in a certain

in a certain way but we can't so we

can't come back that she has to be

totally silent his point is to keep

silent in terms of trying to lead to

teach or whatever she has her she has a

limit on what she can do now those are

going to say well that's because the

women were out of order so much so

that's why this prohibition was there

against women but most of the disorder

that we see in the church Paul is

confronting men

so get away from people making up things

about what the current Society was the

situation if that were the case then

just about everything in the Bible we

need to take with a grain of salt

because the the situation the economy

the culture was vastly different then

than it is today the reason for these

qualifications are simple and they are

clear and if anyone wants to violate

First Corinthians 4:6 that is in any way

exceeding what is written leave those

people alone I don't care if you think

that they have been trustworthy in the

past maybe someone like Cliff needs to

to stick with the apologetic side but

this he's wrong as wrong can be and

others who will also agree with that

they are just wrong so can a woman

preach sure she can can she be in the

office functioning officially as a

preacher a pastor an elder a deacon no

she cannot can she give the gospel yes

she can can she give her testimony yes

she can can she worship can she praise

in public can she pray in public yes she

can but can she lead men no she cannot

can she be over the body no she cannot

can she even do so even if another man

is her husband or her father and give

her covering no she cannot because

there's no scripture for that why not

just simply follow what the word says

let that be enough and if that means

that you can't be a pastor then you

can't be a pastor that's fine because

guess what that's just simply not the

role that God has placed you to be amen

oh yes

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