Avoiding Toxic Productivity Advice for ADHD
Summary
TLDRIn this engaging talk, Jesse J Anderson discusses the challenges of toxic productivity, particularly for individuals with ADHD. He shares his personal journey of discovering his ADHD as an adult and the struggles he faced with traditional productivity systems. Anderson emphasizes the need for an alternative approach, highlighting the four C's of motivation (Captivate, Create, Compete, Complete) that resonate with the ADHD brain. He offers practical strategies to overcome common pitfalls, such as embracing the pivot, using pomodoro timers, and setting micro-commitments, ultimately encouraging listeners to persevere and make a positive impact despite imperfections and failures.
Takeaways
- π§ Understanding ADHD: The speaker, Jesse J Anderson, discusses the impact of toxic productivity on ADHD brains, sharing his personal journey of discovering his ADHD as an adult and the struggles he faced in a system not designed for his brain type.
- π« Ineffective 'Try Harder' Approach: The common advice to 'try harder' is not effective for those with ADHD, as it doesn't address the underlying challenges and can lead to more frustration and struggle.
- π― Tailored Productivity Systems: Traditional productivity systems, like GTD, were not built with ADHD brains in mind, leading to a lack of trust in these systems and eventual failure.
- π Hamilton's Impact: A quote from Hamilton resonates with the speaker, highlighting the feeling of being misunderstood and labeled negatively in school, a common experience for those with ADHD.
- π‘ The Four C's of Motivation: ADHD brains are motivated by captivate, create, compete, and complete, which are different from the motivations that drive neurotypical individuals.
- π₯ Overcoming Overwhelm: The ADHD brain is prone to shutting down under overwhelm, unlike neurotypical brains, which can push through discomfort to complete tasks.
- πΈ The Frog Analogy: The popular productivity advice of 'eating the frog' first (tackling the hardest task first) does not work for everyone, especially those with ADHD, as it can lead to avoidance and inaction.
- π οΈ Breaking Projects Down: While breaking down large projects seems logical, it can lead to procrastination and distraction for those with ADHD, as the task becomes too overwhelming when viewed in its entirety.
- π Embracing the Pivot: Recognize that productivity systems will likely fail at some point, and it's okay to pivot to new strategies when this happens, without shame or guilt.
- β° Pomodoro Timers: Using timers to segment work and breaks can help maintain focus and provide a sense of urgency, though the specific intervals can be adjusted to suit individual needs.
Q & A
What is the main topic of Jesse J Anderson's talk?
-The main topic of Jesse J Anderson's talk is toxic productivity and its effects on ADHD brains.
When did Jesse find out he had ADHD?
-Jesse found out he had ADHD just a few years ago as an adult.
What was Jesse's initial reaction to finding out about his ADHD?
-Jesse knew something was different about his brain early on, and he was having trouble getting things done, but he didn't know what to do about it.
What did Jesse's teachers think about his potential?
-Jesse's teachers knew he wasn't reaching his potential, but they didn't tell him what his potential was or how to reach it.
What was Jesse's initial strategy to cope with his ADHD?
-Jesse initially tried to cope with his ADHD by trying harder, but he found that it was not an effective solution.
What is the main problem with neurotypical productivity systems for people with ADHD?
-The main problem with neurotypical productivity systems for people with ADHD is that they were not built with ADHD brains in mind, leading to issues with motivation, distractions, and overwhelm.
How does the 'eat the frog' strategy work for neurotypicals?
-The 'eat the frog' strategy suggests that one should tackle the most difficult or undesirable task first thing in the morning to get it out of the way and make the rest of the day easier.
Why doesn't the 'eat the frog' strategy work well for people with ADHD?
-The 'eat the frog' strategy doesn't work well for people with ADHD because they often end up staring at the 'frog' (the task) for hours without starting it, leading to feelings of failure and avoidance.
What are the four C's of motivation that Jesse suggests for people with ADHD?
-The four C's of motivation for people with ADHD are Captivate, Create, Compete, and Complete.
How can embracing the pivot help someone with ADHD?
-Embracing the pivot means acknowledging that productivity systems will eventually fail and that it's okay to move on to something new when that happens, reducing feelings of shame and stress.
What is one strategy Jesse suggests to help build momentum for tasks?
-One strategy Jesse suggests is to find tasks that align with the four C's of motivation (Captivate, Create, Compete, Complete) to build momentum and make it easier to tackle more challenging aspects of a project.
Outlines
π§ Understanding ADHD and Toxic Productivity
In this segment, Jesse Anderson introduces himself and shares his personal experience with ADHD. He discusses how he struggled with productivity and the realization that traditional productivity systems were not designed for ADHD brains. Jesse emphasizes the importance of recognizing that 'trying harder' is not an effective solution for ADHD and highlights the need for systems tailored to the unique challenges faced by individuals with ADHD.
π§ The Flaws in Neurotypical Productivity Systems
Jesse delves into the three major flaws he identifies in productivity systems designed for neurotypical individuals. First, he explains that motivation for people with ADHD does not come from importance or rewards and consequences, unlike neurotypicals. Second, he points out that these systems are full of distractions, which can be particularly detrimental for those with ADHD. Lastly, he discusses the issue of overwhelm, explaining how ADHD brains often shut down in response to too much on their plate, making it difficult to push through tasks.
π The Four C's of ADHD Motivation
Jesse introduces the concept of the 'Four C's of Motivation' for individuals with ADHD: Captivate, Create, Compete, and Complete. He explains that these elements can drive motivation in ways that traditional productivity systems fail to do. By focusing on tasks that captivate interest, create something new, involve competition, or have clear deadlines, individuals with ADHD can find the motivation to be productive and overcome the challenges posed by their ADHD.
π οΈ Strategies for ADHD Productivity
Jesse shares various strategies to help individuals with ADHD navigate productivity challenges. He talks about embracing the pivot, using pomodoro timers, finding side quests, making micro commitments, changing the environment, turning tasks into games, and setting time-based goals. These strategies are meant to adapt to the ADHD brain's need for novelty and to help build momentum in tackling tasks.
π Making a Difference with ADHD
In the concluding part of the talk, Jesse encourages the audience to apply the strategies discussed to make a positive impact on the world. He acknowledges that there will be failures along the way but emphasizes the importance of perseverance and self-compassion. Jesse also invites the audience to follow him on social media and shares information about his upcoming book on ADHD, 'Refocus,' and his website where he offers a free ADHD newsletter.
Mindmap
Keywords
π‘Toxic Productivity
π‘ADHD
π‘Neurotypical Productivity Systems
π‘Motivation
π‘Distractions
π‘Overwhelm
π‘Interest-Based Nervous System
π‘Four C's of Motivation
π‘Embracing the Pivot
π‘Pomodoro Timers
Highlights
Jesse J Anderson discusses the impact of toxic productivity on ADHD brains, sharing personal experiences and insights.
Jesse was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult but recognized early on that his brain functioned differently.
Despite having good intentions, people with ADHD often struggle to connect their intentions with actual actions.
Neurotypical productivity systems are not designed for ADHD brains, leading to a lack of trust in such systems.
Jesse relates to the quote from Hamilton, feeling misunderstood and labeled in school due to his ADHD.
The Getting Things Done (GTD) movement and other productivity systems did not provide a lasting solution for Jesse.
Three major flaws in neurotypical productivity systems for ADHD brains: motivation, distractions, and overwhelm.
People with ADHD are not motivated by importance, rewards, or consequences in the same way as neurotypicals.
Distractions and 'shiny objects' within productivity systems can be particularly detrimental for those with ADHD.
Overwhelm causes ADHD brains to shut down, making it impossible to push through tasks and responsibilities.
Jesse shares the 'four C's of motivation' for ADHD: captivate, create, compete, and complete.
Embracing the pivot is a strategy to accept that productivity systems will eventually fail and to be ready to move on to new systems.
Using pomodoro timers can help manage work and break times effectively for people with ADHD.
Finding side quests or interesting angles within a project can help build momentum for more challenging tasks.
Micro commitments can help overcome the initial hurdle of starting a task.
Changing the environment can introduce novelty and stimulate creativity for those with ADHD.
Turning tasks into games or setting time-based goals can add interest and motivation for ADHD brains.
Jesse encourages listeners to persevere despite failures, emphasizing the importance of not self-blaming.
Jesse shares his online presence and invites listeners to engage with him on social media and his website.
Transcripts
hey my name is jesse j anderson it's
great to be here with you today i'm
really excited to talk about toxic
productivity and specifically how toxic
productivity affects our adhd brains
so for me i didn't find out i had adhd
until just a few years ago as an adult
probably like a lot of you
but i knew something was different about
my brain early on i knew that things
were working a little bit differently
and i was having trouble getting stuff
done and i didn't really know what to do
about it what i found was that all my
teachers knew
that i wasn't reaching my potential they
didn't really tell me what my potential
was or what i could do to reach that
potential but i knew i was not living up
to whatever they thought i should be
living up to and the only thing i could
really think of to try and live up to
that was to try harder and man did that
not work
trying harder is not a solution when you
have adhd it just doesn't like trying
harder isn't more effective it we're
still struggling just the same in fact
even more so most people with adhd are
trying harder than most because we're
just desperate for a solution and we
have these really good intentions and
we're just not
able to make them connect with our
actual action so trying harder is really
just kind of terrible advice for people
with adhd even though that's what we
naturally go to because we're just
trying to make it work
but the real problem is the systems
weren't built for us they weren't built
with our brains in mind there's a
specific quote from hamilton the musical
that i really love and it really just
sort of resonates with me and it's right
at the beginning hamilton says he looked
at me like i was stupid i'm not stupid
and man did this connect with me this is
so much how i felt in school i i knew i
wasn't stupid i knew that i was smart
and i was really clever at figuring
things out i was a great problem solver
i was great at brainstorming and i had
great ideas and things like that i knew
that i was smart and i would ace tests
too but things weren't connecting
somehow and people would say that they
thought it was stupid or all the other
labels that people that adhd get you
know being lazy unmotivated messy all
that sort of stuff was just piled onto
me and i didn't know why and i didn't
really know what to do with it i never
really did find a solution in school i
survived it because i was good at
testing and so i would end up with you
know c's and d's enough to pass because
i would ace my tests and then i would
just refuse to do any homework but a
little while after i got out of school i
discovered the getting things done
movement which was started when david
allen released his book getting things
done and then shortly after that the
blog 43 folders came out by merlin mann
and though that really started the
movement of productivity of getting
things done in the early 2000s you know
things were kind of revolutionary at the
time like email was becoming really
important to our lives and so there's
this whole new movement of how to get
things done and i thought this was
finally going to be the solution for me
there was all these great strategies and
tips and i ate it all up i loved it i
was going to do all the things i did the
getting things done inbox and i used the
context i even built a hipster pda which
if you don't know is basically just a
bunch of index cards kind of clipped
together i also tried kickless gtd which
was sort of the
predecessor to omnifocus and they did
inbox zero the whole idea being that
never touch an email more than once once
you see it
act on it and get it out of your inbox
so you have nothing in your inbox
anymore i did all these systems for
years i tried to make them work i would
spend weekends building up what i
thought was going to be the perfect
solution i thought this was the one this
will be the solution i'd spend a whole
weekend
and it would work for maybe a few days
or a few weeks or so but eventually it
would always come crashing down and i
never really knew why but the problem is
these weren't built for my brain these
were neurotypical productivity systems
they were built for neurotypicals they
were built even specifically for david
allen's brain uh gtd is the perfect
system for david allen but for the rest
of us it doesn't always work out
especially when you have an adhd brain
and in david allen's book he talks about
what you need requirements in a
productivity system and the crucial
requirement that you need for those
systems to work is trust and i did not
have trust i didn't know why at the time
i had no idea about adhd so i didn't
know why i couldn't trust myself but i
knew it was true
i knew that these systems would always
end up falling apart and i never really
knew why the problem is i couldn't trust
my own brain
and i think that really comes down to
these three major flaws and neurotypical
productivity the first one is motivation
and this one really is
huge this i think is maybe the most
important point i want to share today
and that's that neurotypicals are
motivated by importance and rewards and
consequences and these really aren't
motivating in the same way for people
with adhd like we understand when
something is important and we obviously
love rewards like if we do something and
get a reward at the end that's great
that's a great way to you know
potentially build a new habit
but if you tell us there's a big reward
at the end of the road that doesn't
really give us any motivation at the
beginning to get started even if you
increase that reward the reward could
keep getting bigger and it really
doesn't bring the motivation that we
need to get going the second major flaw
in neurotypical productivity systems are
distractions and shiny objects
productivity systems are full of
distractions and anyone can get caught
up fiddling with all the little bits and
bobs like there's so much to tweak
and continue to refine
even for those that don't have adhd but
it's especially bad for us that do
distractions are just can be so
detrimental to us it can can completely
derail us where we just can't get
anything done because we're we're
spending so much time tweaking the
system following all these fun trails
looking for the new shiny objects but at
the end of the day we don't have a
system that actually works for us and
the third major flaw is overwhelm our
brains have learned to shut down in
response to overwhelm uh when we have
too much on our plate we just don't do
anything there's a point where we can be
flying get a ton of stuff done and then
we hit that point of overwhelm and
you're just done i'm gonna drop
everything at once
um and everything's gonna fail and
neurotypicals often give the advice of
like well just
suck it up and do the hard work just
force yourself to do it
even if it's boring even if it's not fun
just make yourself do it but with an
adhd brain we're incapable of doing that
it's not really a choice it's not that
we're choosing to sit on the couch and
do nothing our brain is like shut down
completely it's def desperate to get
dopamine working and it knows that
that's not going to give us the dopamine
so when we hit that overwhelm point
we're completely shut down and there's
no way we can just push through it to
make it happen it reminds me of one of
my favorite jim gaffigan lines he talks
about when he had his fourth kid and
people would ask him hey what's it like
jim what's it like having a fourth child
and he said imagine you're drowning
and someone hands you a baby and that is
what it feels like for our brain that's
lacking that dopamine when it doesn't
hap when it's not absorbing the dopamine
right it just can't survive it's
desperate it can't breathe it's like it
doesn't have oxygen and you're trying to
have it more and more tasks and
responsibilities and stuff that it's got
to work on it's like i can't even
breathe here i need that dopamine i
can't just ignore
this basic need of dopamine to get these
hard tasks done i'm drowning and you're
tossing me a babe you're tossing me more
work and responsibilities and we hear
this advice from like productivity gurus
or experts or from books that are trying
to help you get stuff done they'll tell
you stuff like get up earlier do inbox
zero be a stoic workout two hours a day
don't eat any carbs or sugar or fat or
calories and finally eat the frog first
and this is actually one of my favorite
examples of neurotypical productivity
advice that doesn't really work for most
people with adhd
it comes from a mark twain quote that
says if it's your job to eat a frog it's
best to do it first thing in the morning
and people have taken this and the idea
is that the frog is that really ugly
that task you don't want to do that
difficult thing the advice goes take
that thing and do it first thing in the
morning and get it out of the way and
then the rest of your day will be so
much easier i first heard this advice
and i was like of course why wouldn't i
do this this totally is logical it makes
sense to me that if i tackle this
difficult task if i eat the frog first
the rest of the day should go so much
easier just get out of the way right
another popular neurotypical
productivity tip is to take a big
project and break it into all of its
individual steps and then you can see
what the tasks are that you need to do
to get it done and it's another
productivity axiom that really makes
sense you hear that and you're like oh
yeah it's hard to get going on a project
if i don't know what all is going to be
involved so let me break out all those
steps and then i can throw them into my
system and then know all the things that
need to be done to be able to complete
it but the problem with these is it
doesn't work it just doesn't work for us
we try to eat the frog first but what
ends up happening
is we just stare at the frog for hours
and feel like a failure for avoiding the
frog all day and getting nothing done at
all meanwhile wondering what is wrong
with you and why you can't follow this
basic advice that must work perfectly
for everyone else and dread seeing that
same frog waiting for you tomorrow we
get stuck on that big task it's too much
and we just avoid it and stare at it all
day and not get anything done at all and
with the other advice the breaking a big
project into all of its steps
it sounds logical it makes sense but
then when we try to do it instead of
breaking a big project into all of its
steps we break that overwhelming project
into all of its steps oh wow that is a
lot of steps i'm terrible estimating
time so it sort of feels like this is an
infinite project now with the
never-ending steps maybe i should check
twitter or put something on netflix and
maybe i can start this project tomorrow
um or maybe instead of that this is what
you do you start breaking your project
into steps but eventually get so bored
of steps that you think of something
interesting and open 50 tabs on that
topic and end up reading about the
history of the space program and did you
know that the apollo 11 had to change
course at the last second and landed
four miles from their planned
destination wait what was the project
i'm supposed to be working on again uh i
don't say that one light-hearted it's
kind of a joke but it's also true i've
done that and i'm sure you have too and
so the problem with these even though
they sound like logical advice logical
tips that we should apply they just
don't work it doesn't work for us which
results in self-blame we start to think
hey this advice is working for other
people these gurus or whoever are
recommending it so it must be working
for other people why isn't it working
for me something must be broken with me
you try to force it to work which
doesn't help the problem another issue
is great intentions and failed actions
we wonder why our actions always fall
short of our intentions people with adhd
often have really good intentions but
our actions just don't line up and we
don't know why and following this
neurotypical advice often makes that
compound even worse this makes labels
like lazy or whatever even more hurtful
because we know
how hard we are trying to make it work
and we know that our intentions are in
the right place and it just doesn't pan
out and the third one is shiny objects
and this is one that anyone has
experienced neurotypical people included
there are a lot of little distractions
when you're building a productivity
system when you're trying to figure out
tips and advice and applying things to
your life to make you more productive
but for people with adhd these
distractions are much more detrimental
like we can spend a whole weekend
working on the project
and then get nothing done but we keep
going in to tweak the system thinking
that oh if i just do this little thing
and that little thing that'll be the
solution and we just get tied into all
these little distractions that are
available when you're working with a
complex productivity system so what do
we do about it we need to acknowledge
the problems of motivation overwhelm and
distractions productivity advice
normally relies on those neurotypical
motivations those that importance
consequences and rewards and that
doesn't work for us so we need to find
another way to be motivated the way
people with adhd find motivation is
through interest dr william dodson calls
this the interest-based nervous system i
like to refer to it as just the four c's
of motivation because i find it easier
to remember and those four c's are
captivate create compete complete with
captivate it's all about finding
something that captivates your interest
something that you find fascinating or
interesting and you want to dive more
into and with create it's all about
novelty something new creating something
new those creative activities they
provide dopamine because there's this
anticipation of oh what is going to be
the result of this creative activity and
that motivates the adhd brain the third
one is compete and a lot of us know how
much we love a good challenge a good
competition if you're anything like me
there's nothing that motivates you more
than someone telling you like you can't
do that that's impossible suddenly i am
gonna prove them wrong and it becomes my
life goal and then that motivation shows
up because i'm meeting this challenge
head on on the fourth one is complete
and this is all about setting due dates
and deadlines something that makes
urgency show up in our lives a lot of
times we'll have a big project and we'll
avoid it for weeks but then suddenly
when it's due when that completion date
is right around the corner then we can
fly into action and get a lot of stuff
done so finding those deadlines and due
dates is paramount in motivating us to
get things done the other thing that
happens when we use these four c's when
we find a task that uses captivate
create compete or complete
it fuels our motivation so we're able to
use the energy that we gain doing that
task and it kind of spills over into
doing other work we're building up this
momentum it's like we've got a train on
the tracks and it's not moving at all
but then we find something captivating
or creative and we start doing this
project and then that that train starts
going we start building up that momentum
and then when we want to eat the frog
it's a lot easier so rather than eating
the frog first we should eat the ice
cream first we need to find those things
that give us that energy that motivation
so we can build up the momentum and
similarly with the break your project
into all of its individual steps instead
we should just break it into the first
few steps and then pick the ones that
match those four c's captivate create
compete complete which one of those
steps is going to line up with one of
those so that you're going to be able to
find that motivation and get yourself
rolling down the tracks so with all that
in mind i've got some strategies i want
to share with you and none of these are
going to work for everyone and even the
ones that work for you they're not going
to work every time the way our brains
work we just need things to be new
sometimes and we'll get bored of a
routine that works so take these and try
them out if they work use it while it
works i mean if it doesn't put it down
for a while and try a different strategy
but hopefully this this will help you
put those four c's into action my first
strategy i like to call embracing the
pivot and this is all about knowing
ahead of time that our productivity
system is going to fail we are going to
lose faith in it at some point and give
up so if you know that going forward
it's okay we don't have to feel bad when
it doesn't work but then we can know
that going forward so that when we when
we're trying a new app or a new system
we don't pour everything into it as if
it's gonna be the end-all be-all
solution we know that it's going to
eventually fail us most likely and then
we just pivot to a new system and that's
okay we don't need to feel bad about it
it's not about shame for that system
failing it didn't fail it worked for
that amount of time and now we're moving
on to something new we just embrace the
fact that our brain wants those new
things every once while and we pivot
when the time comes another strategy is
pomodoro timers you don't have to be
strict to the i think it's 25 minutes of
working five minutes a break i like to
do maybe 15 minutes of work 10 minutes
of break and then sometimes i'll be i'll
get hyper focused and get into a groove
i'll still set a timer so that i don't
lose track of things but then i might
say okay i'm going to go 40 minutes and
then i'll take a 10 minute break and i
just mix it up by by having those timers
i can glance down and see it and then i
know that it like provides that that
urgency to get something done another
strategy is looking for side quests now
you have to be careful here because
obviously side quests can derail us big
time but sometimes you're staring at a
project and it's really important it's
the one you have to get done and you
can't get rolling on it try and find
that side angle that might be a little
bit more interesting and then you can
kind of build momentum that way because
we might be worried about distractions
it might be helpful to set a due date or
a timer here so you don't end up doing
side quests all day long but it can help
again to build up that momentum so that
then you can tackle the more difficult
aspects of that project another strategy
is just micro commitments sometimes
getting started can be really hard so if
you make just a little commitment to get
yourself moving that can make a really
big difference so instead of saying i'm
going to clean up the kitchen or even
i'm going to do the dishes maybe it's
just i'm going to go put five dishes
away or two dishes away something really
tiny and then a lot of the time that'll
build up like okay well now while i
started i can do some more but give
yourself the freedom to walk away if
that's enough like you know what i did
the two dishes i did that micro
commitment and that's enough but getting
that those little commitments can help
get the ball rolling for stuff like that
another strategy is changing your
environment we crave that novelty
something new and so a lot of the time
i'll go work in a coffee shop even
though there's distractions and
sometimes for some work that won't work
very well but a lot of time the novelty
of people moving around it just sparks
creativity and can get me motivated to
getting some things done part of it
might be the body doubling aspect of it
but part of it is just the hustle and
bustle that can be sort of interesting
as long as it's not too distracting for
whatever you're working on just a few
more strategies here another one is
making tests or paperwork into like a
game and this is really it sounds silly
but you can do stuff like i'm gonna
answer the questions in reverse order or
i'm only going to do every third
question first something like that which
doesn't sound like a big deal can add
just a little bit more interest to it
that will help you get motivated to get
things done i know it sounds silly but
that little thing of like i'm gonna just
do every other one first it does seem to
add a little bit of that extra
motivation and you can even add that
challenge or urgency to it set a
five-minute timer and challenge yourself
to see how many you can get done
following up on that another strategy is
to use time-based goals so instead of
saying i'm gonna write a thousand words
tonight maybe you could just say i'm
gonna write for 20 minutes tonight
instead of saying i'm going to clean the
whole office just say i'm going to clean
the office for 10 minutes i'm going to
do this for 15 minutes and an added
bonus of doing this is you learn a
little bit about how long tasks take
because we're usually not very good at
estimating time so by setting the time
up front and then just seeing how much
it can get done
one you can feel accomplished like hey i
did my goal of trying to do this thing
for 10 minutes and two now i know hey 10
minutes of work on this this is about
what it looks like and finally i just
want to say
change the world and make it a better
place hopefully you can use these
strategies put them into practice and
make a change make a difference in the
world it's not always gonna be perfect
you will fail sometimes i fail all the
time uh it's a struggle we're always
gonna struggle but when you persevere
and you don't blame yourself it can make
all the difference in the world it can
really make a huge impact thanks for
listening to this talk i hope you
enjoyed it i hope you have found
something helpful if so i would love to
hear from you you can follow me on
twitter and instagram and tick tock all
the same username which is just my first
name middle initial last name so jesse j
anderson i have got the same username
for all those places you can also find
my website where i've got a link to my
free adhd newsletter and that's also
jessejanderson.com finally i'm writing a
book on adhd called refocus a practical
guide to adhd i'd love for you to check
it out it's at refocusbook.com
i'm writing it in public so you can see
on the website the current table of
contents and stuff i'm working on and
you can even suggest things that you
think would make sense to have in this
book and you can also sign up for the
wait list while you're there
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