Powering the Future: Unlocking the Potential of Direct Current | Schneider Electric
Summary
TLDRIn this talk, Schneider Electric partners John Moy and Sebastian Ghana explore the emerging technology of DC microgrids as a solution to grid congestion and sustainability challenges. They discuss the benefits of DC systems, including increased energy efficiency and resilience, and the importance of partnerships in driving innovation. The speakers highlight the impact of grid limitations on businesses and the potential of DC microgrids to offer scalable, efficient energy solutions, emphasizing the role of standardization through the Current OS Foundation for interoperability and safety.
Takeaways
- 🤝 Schneider Electric and DC Systems are partnering to innovate in the space of DC microgrids, focusing on sustainability and energy efficiency.
- 🚀 DC microgrids are seen as a new and exciting technology that fills a market niche, particularly in the face of increasing demand for electric vehicles and sustainable energy solutions.
- 🏭 Electro International, a panel build company based in the Netherlands, has specialized in Schneider Electric products for 30 years, focusing on industry, machine builders, and data centers.
- 🔌 Grid congestion in the Netherlands is a significant issue, limiting the capacity for businesses to expand or even start, highlighting the need for alternative energy solutions like DC microgrids.
- 💡 The shift towards electric vehicles and heat pumps is increasing the strain on the electrical grid, necessitating innovative solutions to manage energy demand sustainably.
- 🛠️ DC Systems is working on implementing DC microgrids within existing AC installations, creating hybrid grids that offer increased efficiency and resilience.
- 🔋 The use of DC microgrids can lead to a 7-10% increase in energy efficiency by reducing the need for ACDC conversions, with some applications seeing even greater savings.
- 🛡️ DC microgrids offer enhanced resilience, as demonstrated by a case in Amsterdam where a building continued to operate during an outage, running on battery and PV installation.
- 🌐 The Current OS Foundation, initiated by Schneider Electric, aims to create interoperability standards for DC systems, ensuring plug-and-play compatibility between different manufacturers' products.
- 📉 The cost of implementing DC microgrids is becoming more feasible as semiconductor technology advances and the demand for sustainable energy solutions grows.
- 🌟 DC microgrids are scalable and can be easily expanded, such as adding more EV charging stations, due to the standardized behaviors set by the Current OS Foundation.
Q & A
What is the main topic of the discussion in the video script?
-The main topic of the discussion is the importance of partnerships and the emerging technology of DC microgrids, particularly in the context of Schneider Electric's initiatives.
Who are John Moy and Sebastian Ghana, as mentioned in the script?
-John Moy is one of the partners from Schneider Electric in the Netherlands, and Sebastian Ghana is the managing director for DC Systems, focusing on DC microgrid technology.
What is the significance of DC microgrids in the current energy market?
-DC microgrids are significant as they fill a niche in the market by providing a more sustainable, efficient, and resilient way of distributing energy, especially in areas facing grid congestion.
What challenges do business owners face in the Netherlands regarding grid capacity?
-Business owners in the Netherlands face challenges such as grid congestion, where there is no capacity left in the grid for extending factories or building new ones, forcing them to make decisions on which equipment to use or not use.
How does the increasing demand for sustainable energy sources impact the Dutch grid?
-The increasing demand for sustainable energy sources, such as electric vehicles and heat pumps, is putting a strain on the Dutch grid, leading to more grid congestion and the need for new solutions.
What is the role of Electro International in the context of Schneider Electric?
-Electro International is a panel build company based in the Netherlands that has been working exclusively with Schneider Electric for nearly 40 years, focusing on panel building for various markets, including data centers.
What benefits can DC microgrids provide in terms of energy efficiency?
-DC microgrids can provide energy efficiency benefits of 7 to 10% by changing the way energy is converted and distributed, reducing the need for multiple ACDC converters and allowing for more direct and efficient energy use.
How does the concept of 'Electricity in a Box' relate to DC microgrids?
-The concept of 'Electricity in a Box' relates to DC microgrids by offering a scalable and modular solution that can include solar panels, EV chargers, and other DC loads, all managed within a contained system.
What is the Current OS Foundation and its role in DC microgrids?
-The Current OS Foundation is an initiative aimed at creating interoperability standards for DC microgrids, ensuring that devices from different manufacturers can work together seamlessly in a DC system.
How does the script address the safety concerns related to high-voltage DC systems?
-The script addresses safety concerns by discussing the advancements in solid-state technology, which allows for super-fast breaking and protection in DC systems, making them safer and more manageable.
What are some of the future steps or resources mentioned in the script for those interested in learning more about DC microgrids?
-The script mentions visiting booths for demonstrations, checking the homepage of DC Systems, and looking out for training videos and online resources that will be launched to educate people on DC microgrid technology.
Outlines
🤝 Introduction to Schneider's Partnership and DC Microgrids
The video begins with an introduction to a talk focused on two key initiatives for Schneider Electric: partnerships and DC microgrids. John Moy, a partner from Schneider Electric Netherlands, and Sebastian Ghana, the managing director for DC Systems, introduce themselves and their roles. They discuss the importance of these initiatives, particularly DC microgrids as an emerging technology that fills a market niche. The talk will cover how Schneider leverages partnerships to drive the development and success of this technology transparently.
🚀 Challenges and Innovations in the Dutch Energy Market
This paragraph delves into the challenges faced by the Dutch energy market, particularly grid congestion and the impact on businesses seeking to expand or build new facilities. The speakers discuss the government's push for sustainability, which includes the adoption of electric vehicles and heat pumps, exacerbating the strain on the grid. DC Systems is introduced as a company that rethinks energy distribution by implementing DC microgrids, or hybrid grids, which can increase energy efficiency by 7 to 10% and reduce the stress on the grid.
🛠️ Business Impact and Solutions for Grid Limitations
The speakers explore the impact of grid limitations on business owners in the Netherlands, where the lack of grid capacity can halt business expansion. They discuss the need for new solutions like DC microgrids, which can provide more resilient and efficient energy distribution. The conversation highlights the benefits of DC Systems' approach, which includes leveraging partnerships to innovate and adapt to the evolving energy landscape.
🌐 Scalable DC Microgrid Solutions and Their Benefits
The discussion shifts to the scalability and benefits of DC microgrid solutions, which can be adjusted to meet the energy needs of various applications, from residential to industrial. The speakers highlight the ability of DC microgrids to increase energy efficiency, reduce grid stress, and provide resilience during outages. They also touch on the importance of standardization and interoperability in the development and deployment of DC microgrid technology.
🚗 Addressing the Electric Vehicle Charging Challenge
This paragraph focuses on the specific application of DC microgrids in electric vehicle (EV) charging. The speakers discuss the regulatory requirements for EV chargers in new builds and the challenges of meeting these demands with limited grid capacity. They present a containerized DC microgrid solution that can be scaled to accommodate the charging needs while reducing the load on the traditional grid.
🔌 The Future of DC Microgrids and Industry Collaboration
The final paragraph looks to the future of DC microgrids, emphasizing the importance of industry collaboration and standardization through organizations like the Open DC Alliance and the currentOS Foundation. The speakers discuss the role of these organizations in fostering interoperability and the development of safe, efficient, and scalable DC microgrid solutions. They invite the audience to explore the technology further through upcoming training videos and in-person demonstrations at their booth.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Partnerships
💡DC micro grids
💡Sustainability
💡Grid congestion
💡Electro International
💡DC Systems
💡Energy efficiency
💡Resilience
💡Hybrid grids
💡Regulations and standards
💡Interoperability
Highlights
Schneider Electric is focusing on partnerships and DC micro grids as key initiatives.
John Moy from Schneider Electric Netherlands discusses specialization in panel building for industry and data centers.
Sebastian Ghana, Managing Director of DC Systems, emphasizes the company's mission to revolutionize the world with DC technology.
DC micro grids are presented as a solution to fill a market niche needed for sustainability.
Electro International has been building panels for the data center market for nearly 40 years, specializing with Schneider Electric.
Grid congestion in the Netherlands is a significant issue impacting businesses and the need for sustainable energy solutions.
The Dutch government's push for electric vehicles and heat pumps is increasing electricity demand and grid strain.
DC Systems is working on implementing DC micro grids to increase energy efficiency by 7-10%.
John discusses the impact of grid limitations on business expansion and the need for alternative energy solutions.
DC micro grids offer benefits such as grid capacity reduction, increased efficiency, and resilience.
The introduction of a containerized DC micro grid solution called 'EV in a box' to overcome grid capacity limitations.
The scalability of DC micro grids allows for easy addition of components like EV charging stations.
Current OS Foundation aims to create interoperability standards for DC technology deployment.
DC micro grids are scalable and can be adapted for various applications, including industrial and residential use.
Safety in DC systems is achievable through responsible implementation and the use of solid-state protection.
The cost-effectiveness of DC systems is dependent on the application and the potential for scalability.
DC Systems and Electro International are collaborating to build and demonstrate the practical applications of DC micro grids.
Transcripts
[Music]
okay thank you everybody for uh for
coming to this talk we're going to we're
going to discuss a very interesting
topic this morning uh no this
afternoon um It's a combination of two
very important initiatives for Schneider
one is around Partnerships and the other
one is around uh DC micro grids which is
a which is a very interesting new
technology uh that we see emerging when
we when we think about the importance
of when we think about the the
importance of Partnerships this is
actually a an interesting way that we'll
talk about we have uh with us uh with us
John and uh and Sebastian so uh you guys
just want to do a quick introduction my
name is John Moy one of the partners
from Schneider Electric in the
Netherlands
already for quite a while and uh we're
doing uh uh everything with the panel
building
from yeah penel panels for industry tery
uh but also for uh uh machine Builders
yeah and data centers of course yeah
okay so yeah hi my name is Sebastian
Ghana um I'm the managing director for
DC Systems now for the last 3 and a half
years and I mean we are trying to dcy
the world so that's what we're going to
speak about okay so uh if I just go
introduced pretty quickly um we talked
about this um when we think about
sustainability but really if I take a
step back DC micro grids is a very
exciting new space uh we like to think
of it as it's it's filling in a a niche
in the market uh that is very much
needed we'll tell you why that is the
case but we'll also talk about how we
leverage our Partnerships to be able to
really drive this space and be
successful um uh in a in a very
transparent fashion
so if you go to the to the first one I
mean alternate over to you John um can
you tell us a little bit more about
Electro
International um what you do and and how
this came about well we are um what I
said just uh a panel build based in the
the center of the Netherlands already
for nearly 40 years uh we built uh
panels for all kind of markets
especially for the data center market
and we do it with um yeah not all brands
but we do it just with one brand and
that's the brand Schneider Electric and
there that's not a secret reason why we
do this we would like to be a specialist
instead of a generalist and that's we
dived uh we dived into the deep with
Schneider already for 30 years ago uh oh
W that's quite a long that's quite a
long time yeah yeah we do it with
roughly 100 people and uh sometimes we
are asked by Schneider to do um and to
make special projects for them and also
special products for them so focusing on
which application
usually focusing on buildings and for
data centers that's the main uh business
we are into yeah okay okay
so now you look at the chart behind us
uh tell tell us a little bit about the
situation with the Grid in the
Netherlands specifically how it impacts
your business as a business owner as
well as other Industries and and and
buildings around you and and what
ramifications does that have
yeah well soas do you tell this because
we are both of course um involved and uh
yeah so I mean for me that picture
basically always shows perfectly how
much we are taking energy for granted
yeah so I mean it's 5 after 12 right so
this is the situation in the Netherlands
so we are seeing here actually
everything what is red is like the grid
congestion so it's basically there's no
capacity left in the grid and I think
when when also speaking with John that's
exactly what a lot of company owners are
basically facing now in the Netherlands
right so you want to build or extend
your factory you're asking the utility
supplier for an extension of your grid
capacity and then comes like yeah uh
you're asking for 640 KVA for example to
build your factory and they tell you
yeah you can have 400 KVA for the first
two years or something or even less yeah
and and then then it's basically okay
what should I start first is it a coffee
machine is it conveyor belt so you have
to decide and make some decisions as a
business owner and I mean you can tell
better what that would mean for you yeah
especially with all the other things we
we are facing also now um CU you this
situation is getting worse and worse in
the Netherlands because uh the the
government and uh let's say the whole
environment forces us to go more
sustainable so we need to go uh on on
electricity with our cars we need to uh
cook on electricity instead of uh
natural gas but it all pumps up the
electricity market and as you can see on
um the figure showing everything all the
places are in red and in red means that
there's no there's no electricity
available at the moment and it's getting
worse and worse every day so we need to
find new solution to solve the problem
we are a small country in the center of
the center of the Europe and uh I assume
that this will come more to other
countries in Europe as well yeah don't
you think so that for sure so again we
are taking energy for granted because we
are not seeing that kind of problems but
we don't have anymore the capacity in
the grid so we need to really rethink
the way we are we are working with
energy and how we can you know be more
efficient and also like really battle
that kind of things because like you
said we are seeing now especially in the
Netherlands we're seeing a higher rate
of adoption of electrical vehicles uh we
are now everybody wants to go through
heat pumps you know we want to get rid
of the gas uh you know that's also one
of the big challenges for us now while
getting also more you know CO2
reductions being more sustainable and
all those kind of things so that's
basically exactly what we also doing
then with DC Systems right so we are
trying to rethink a little bit the way
we are Distributing energy yeah so it's
a it's a company based also in the
Netherlands and uh we are really trying
to take a normal AC installation and
also Implement a kind of DC micro grid
inside your installation so we call it
hybrid grids um and that's basically one
of our Solutions because exactly we see
always when we are going for our
projects what we could show was always
usually four benefits so one is the grid
um grid capacity reduction because we're
working with
prosumers um with batteries and all that
kind of things so that we can you know
we are working actually behind the meter
so we can take a lot of of the stress of
the grid so another topic we always see
in our projects as well as um good
efficiency increase so we are 7 to 10%
more energy efficient by just changing
the way of conversion so we are
sometimes you know every device usually
needs an ACDC converter um even we are
reducing this completely or we are going
to a more efficient dcdc conversion so
before you even go there though I you
know know John you're a business owner
what is the impact in terms of your own
facility permitting what does it mean
for business owners um you know we we
all heard about this big data center
boob that is happening uh really all
over the world with AI the amount of
energy intensity that is required to run
these how is all that going to factor
into into what you have today and what
you will see tomorrow well what what
what we what we had uh in the past uh is
was a a good Market uh
on or in um in the market where everyone
could build his own Factory or doing his
own business but nowadays uh you you you
are willing to start your business but
you're forced uh or you are stopped by
the government or the electricity
Authority because there is no
electricity so the the total um your
total business stops so you need to find
a new solution to get it rolling again
yeah so we don't have business you don't
have a permit and you don't have access
to the grid uh because they for forbid
you to get the connection so if we ask
for instance uh we need uh and for for
our uh side that's a very actuate
uh yeah purpose we are planning to build
a new build a new Factory uh but s
former already said is we we ask for
certain grid connection and they don't
allow us so we need to find other
Solutions in order to get uh enough
electricity for doing our business what
we want and that's almost for everything
that's for a data center that's for a
normal utility but even for houses they
can't they they don't get get the
electricity to build an house yeah and I
mean it started like four or five years
ago that data centers in this areas
which we're seeing here red they were
forbidden to be built so that's that's
then the last way out of a of a
government to say okay uh we want to go
with residential maybe that's still
what's allowed but you know the data
centers is then forbidden so and stuff
like that then our business owners
really affected we were also seeing so
as we speak I think in February was an
article released so what we're also
writing there is like you know 9,400
companies were waiting or filing for an
extension um just just imagine 9,000 and
it's getting more and more every day
yeah exactly and that that is that is
crucial for some of the business plans
imagine you have a good business idea
you want to open a logistic park or
something and then it's like okay uh the
business plan is standing you get your
approval you get the money everything
and then it's like yeah by the way just
your your Cy supplier is telling you
okay you can't you can't build and open
so that's why we are we are looking
desperately for that kind of new
Solutions yeah by the way we're seeing
the same type of situations not not
frankly as dire in the UK because you
see a lot of the uh the countries that
have pledged on EV as you start putting
in more and more uh EV charging stations
they need power and a lot of the the
grids locally are not able to handle
that so they starting to see the same
situation and and we see the DN trying
starting to say depending on what the
country is that we're going to have a
problem so that creates you know the
logical solution is a microG right yeah
it is now let's talk a little bit uh Seb
about your uh your business you know DC
Systems and tell us a little bit what is
different cuz you know we have AC micro
grids and there's a lot of people that
are able to go do those everyone about
it yeah um and how does this you know
tell us a little bit more about your
business yeah so like I mentioned so
what we are basically just doing with
the company is we are trying to rethink
a little bit the way we are Distributing
energy right so we are all very familiar
especially also Schneider is very
familiar you know with the way of AC
installations and everything and it also
is like you know working for like over
100 years so mankind built this kind of
distribution system what what we are
trying to do is like try a little bit
being smarter and more efficient so we
are not saying AC or DC we are saying
let's take on the DC side what makes
sense naturally what is DC so you know
photov volti electrical Vehicles battery
Solutions all those kind of loads are
naturally like already DC technology and
at the moment we are using always a kind
of small ACDC converter in front of it
to to convert it to make it work and
what we saying is like let's skip this
and let's connect directly on DC and and
what I was mentioning before um in the
projects we have been realizing so far
we could see just by doing that uh we
could be 7 to 10% more energy efficient
um there's even other applications which
can benefit way way better from that so
think of a Rob far above 10% better yes
yes yes because think of a robot for
example right so nowadays what happens
is like the robot is accelerating and
and breaking and while doing that all
the the energy is pushed into a braking
resistor this needs to be cooled and so
on and so on if we connect the robot
directly on a DC bus where batter is
coupled or other loads are already also
coupled you can do a load sharing and
this can bring you you know 15 to 25%
some studies from Germany were showing
that that it could show you like 20 15
to 25% of Energy Efficiency and I mean
for me as a factory owner that would be
nice if I can save a quarter of my
energy bill basically right so that
that's one thing the second thing we are
seeing is um that we are also more
resilient basically because in DC you
can also do different ways of of
Distributing the lines so for example we
could um we could show that we can
distribute one load uh through two lines
and connect it still and when you are
shortening one of the lines for example
still the other one takes over which is
pretty nice for data centers so up time
is you know a big big topic there so
that's one benefit which comes also with
DC directly uh we see for example some
benefits on eying mode since we are like
a grid in inside the installation we can
run this kind of installation then you
know autonomously so we had once a kind
of case that um a building in
Amsterdam in the Z area of Amsterdam
where actually everything is new built
was running while everything else was
facing an outage so just running on
battery and PV installation so that are
like you know the big benefits we we are
seeing what we also trying them to do
with DC Systems and uh we are then
trying you know to exactly execute those
kind of project so customers come to us
uh we are Consulting them we helping
them you know figuring out and
specifying and then realizing that but
also with our products yeah and usually
what we also can show that depends on
application by application is like you
know that we are also saving copper CU
we are stepping up a little bit voltage
so we are reducing you know the
cross-sections and also going a little
bit and more like on copper saving which
is also generating CO2 savings but that
depends really sharp on on the
applications itself so yeah that's
basically what what we are doing and I
think so far we are doing that pretty
well and for example one of those
projects we are now at the moment
investigating together is that we are
looking into a kind of yeah uh eeve in a
box we are calling it and we also
showing it actually the first time here
as a on the on the booth on the
Innovation Summit so you can come
afterwards and also check that out
because I think that's very very
interesting so we are working with a
normal connection um basically you know
we are just connecting the AC grid to
that container and from there on we
connect PV panels and everything so what
with with that solution we we solve uh a
problem because the the grid connection
isn't uh large enough for us uh and with
with a containerized solution we can
yeah increase or decrease uh the grid
connection with 30 or
40% um to combine uh
the normal grid with a DC grid uh so
there's a smart and I think that uh the
solution needs more
explanation uh what you have yeah yeah
so like I said we are we really coming
you know basically it's it's scalable
because we are putting everything what
is like more and more on the actually
what you would connect on the AC
instulation and would require power from
the grid and also from the utilities we
are trying to put in this kind of DC
grid so and from there you know we can
we can limit and we don't need to to
show that to the utility supplier
because on on the DC side we are working
with prosumers we are working with
battery buffer we are working with you
know a lot of different things um to
make it possible that and an energy
management system by itself so we call
it Dro control or current W um so let's
say a kind of spec special specification
which is like you know telling the loads
exactly when to act and yeah through
that we were able to reduce for your
building in this case you know because
nowadays you were also asked to connect
more and more EV Chargers by the
European regulations we were forced to
yeah so yeah every every fifth parking
lot has to have like every new build
company has to have every fifth parking
lot needs to be an EV charger so and
with that we were securing that you are
able to to provide the charges while
still having you know the the company
running on that kind of limited grid
connection that we were seeing so I
think that was a pretty interesting
thing and actually the story how we came
there was more funny because we we were
just looking because we're also seeing
obviously a lot of challenges right so
we are now looking for components which
we were not used to last year was a big
supply chain crises um and we were also
trying to scale so you know because most
of our things are like handcrafted for
the time being and we were looking for
partner helping us building this kind of
700 kg panel and that's where we were
looking then to to John cuz I was aware
that Electro International is one of the
panel builders in the Netherlands and
yeah so we reached out basically to you
and then afterwards we were just in the
discussions and saw that you were also
increasing the building and that's how
we came actually together with that so
we build them uh in in serial types
numbers yeah now are you going to
leverage one of these panels in your
facility itself and are you going to
have a micro Grid in the Box for
yourself for sure yeah we need to
because otherwise we have no capacity
from the grid to uh to feed all uh the
the the electro vehicles uh so what we
do is we we are going to uh use the
solar panels to fit directly uh the EV
box MH and use all uh electrical
electrical power uh to flatten uh let's
say the consumption of our own building
and that decreases the total um the
total consumption of the the top
consumption of the the building so
instead of 630 KVA we were um yeah we we
we were we were handy enough with that
system to go down to 40 on the KVA and
even I expect that we go f even uh
further uh down mhm uh do you have to go
permit this with the utility company or
does it work no no no no uh yeah so
because for the time being that's also
one of the challenges we are facing
right so everybody is like then shying
out usually due to missing regulation or
standards for the time being but that's
also where we are working together with
the customers we are saying okay let's
let's build that let's go to the local
authorities let's have like you know
checked what is what is actually
requirements you know for PV
installations for battery Solutions so
all that kind of things we are then also
helping and and going through and trying
then obviously to to place that then in
the field uh it's a little bit
challenging because also you know in
Europe many country by country it also
differentiates a little bit um but
that's what what we are trying to do and
where we we try also to support and I
mean I think there's really a kind of
big big demand what we could see on the
on the picture before and many companies
are actually looking for that kind of
solutions yeah many many uh companies
are they they speak about electricity in
the box but there's one thing different
what we do we don't go out with AC we do
we use everything on DC so that makes
the difference uh yeah because we don't
want to we call it now even a box
because we we just started with the EV
charges around it but basically from
there we can connect everything like
your Lighting in in in your factory for
example you can also connect you know if
we are having oems we are working with
together then you know who who are
building refrigerators you can connect
those kind of things for the retail
shops so it actually can can become DC
in a box but so far we were starting you
know because we see that need cuz now
this regulations are popping up um a lot
aren't also going to be enforced by the
European Energy building directives so
that's why we started with the with the
electrical vehicles for you and I think
we will see more and more to really
bring the loads on the other side but
that is also where I'm looking a little
bit back to you you know how how the big
uh manufacturers are then you know
helping us to to and I I've seen some
nice products on the bo yeah from DC
powering uh Electro Vehicles so but do
they come more I uh you know so we've
been down this journey and and one of
the things that is to me quite
interesting is when when you go into a
native DC type architecture one of the
biggest concerns and and I'll I'll say
even from our own CEO is you know our
exeo his question was wow 600 volt DC
that is that is a lot of energy yeah so
how are you going to be a how how do you
make sure you can protect from that
energy yeah right and so when people
think DC they try to use the the
traditional uh Breakers and everything
else that we
have that becomes a Lim ation yeah the
good news is with the advancements in
solid state technology uh we start to
see I mean it's still expensive but with
silicon carbide and some of the new
technologies that we have number one you
start start to see the cost come down so
some of the technology stack that is
completely different for this type of an
application will be you need more power
Electronics right so whether it's the
CDC converter up front it's the uh the
interruption or the or the circuit
protection uh which is also needs to be
solid state but then you also have our
busway and all the other uh so that
technology stack is completely different
number one we have to make sure and in
some cases what we are learning uh you
know the Dutch authorities in some sense
are working with us and are quite I'll
say much more technically Savvy in terms
of what the applications are and how we
are doing it the right way uh a lot of
the other countries they are still just
trying to learn right so from my
perspective to make this successful
number one one it has to be application
based so certainly in a box is one
application uh we see this by the way
proliferating very heavily in China uh
which is really adopting DC and I think
adopting DC in a in in many ways that is
faster than the rest of the world uh
there are associations so we have odca
uh which is really a factory DC type
application uh that's in Germany and
that's a that's a Consortium we see
emerge Alliance in the US we see uh
cabie which is a Consortium of of a lot
of folks in in China really being driven
with the with this with the southern uh
the southern grd the the South GD of
China but all of these in the end work
with from our perspective we have our
own foundation called uh called current
OS uh you might say is this a Schneider
foundation not really uh what we are
trying to do is really create the
interoperability
standards between all the different
manufacturers so whether it's the oems
whether it's the the device
manufacturers the system integrators in
one way you can really deploy DC at
scale for the applications that makes
sense if you have the same language if
each device doesn't need a
custom uh converter so this current o
Foundation that we have uh you know
we've had it for a few years the
founding members are us uh Eon ABB and
we also have UL which is uh you know one
of the standards bodies in the US we are
working actively with all of these uh
associations that I talked about and
finally we've increased the size of the
number of uh members of uh uh of current
OS we've doubled you know Hager recently
joined we have a lot of the
manufacturers you know we have uh we
have Fuji electric some of the folks
that are in uh in the audience today so
really the goal is not to make this a
Schneider specific standard but to make
this something that is interoperable so
when you as a consumer or as an end user
you as an end user decide to go take
this technology stack uh it's plug
andplay right one of the one of the
things that I like the best about the
way these DC microgrids work is they're
extremely
scalable right so if you wanted to add
another another EV charging box tell us
a little bit about the Simplicity of
that it's it's very simple uh yeah but
it's simple due to the C curent OS found
Foundation which sets up certain uh
behaviors in in a DC system and that's
what you more can tell uh SE I mean that
are the two unique things you need in a
in a DC micro you need protection so
otherwise DC becomes dangerous current
and you know the solid state protection
is like a way of super fast breaking
actually so that's why it's it's
manageable and it's also one thing what
DC Systems has in in this offer
portfolio so that's exactly one thing
what we're working with and the
scalability needs to come from exactly
like a lot of manufacturers it's not
just Schneider Not the Ean not the ab
itself all of them together because
otherwise we don't see enough
applications because let's be honest uh
even Schneider or seamons or whoever is
not big enough to change overnight or in
5 10 years even what mankind was like
you know building over the last century
so that's why we we definitely need to
have that kind of foundation and I
always compare it to in kind of use B
standard in front of the socket so
that's basically how I see current Dr
and that's why I'm also very happy
always to see more and more people
coming joining you know I'm always
excited when I see a new product coming
up so I usually put it directly in our
in our garage downstairs to to the
engineering team to connect and play
around with it so you know what is it
how can I bre isn't only for big
manufacturers even for for us as a user
uh it's there there are Ruby contracts
Ruby is the lowest uh level uh from um
the curent OS Foundation from which you
can uh
uh use the knowledge M uh and we are
also a cure a ruby member yeah okay so
uh to conclude the topic and we only
have a couple of minutes left uh you
know people generally ask us a few
questions around the topic of DC so the
the first question is uh is DC safe I
think the answer is yes if you do it
responsibly and if you do it the right
way more than we absolutely agree more
than that and and there are people
people who will Who will swear by it and
and and be swear by it again done the
right way second question is is it more
sustainable or is it more carbon
efficient than AC the question it
depends on your application yes uh and
it depends on how you deploy that
application so we are learning specific
applications especially which are highly
uh the loads generally tend to be a DC a
lot but if the sources are are a lot a
lot more DC you start to see these
becoming a lot more efficient and the
third one is is it cost effective and to
me the question the answer is again
today yes depending on the application
but as we see the cost of semiconductors
start to come down and as we start to
see the proliferation of these devices
if we have the standardization so if
each person doesn't try to build their
own DC grid with their own language with
their own
interoperability I think absolutely it
can scale and the and for the right
applications these these lces will far
outweigh the Simplicity and the
scalability will far
outweigh uh AC in those applications and
and we are convinced about it you have
to learn about it but uh as as as soon
as you know the rules it's much easier
okay um so so tell us where can people
learn a little bit more about what we
are doing um uh both online and also in
terms of uh being able to to see witness
see and feel what we're working on so
first of all you can so everybody in the
audience can like visit us on the booth
obviously where we where we're showing
also the the in Box model uh they can go
to our homepage DC do systems um
otherwise it's also like you know just
give us a call uh get my contact details
we will for sure have like a big opening
of The Experience Center so and we just
introduced our own site exactly and then
also an electro International they also
just launch their own DC micro grid site
in which all the solutions from uh uh DC
stand uned exactly so that's I think
you're pretty pretty good when already
looking up to this and then you know
reaching out to John or myself to when
you have questions for that so we are
more than happy to to help to answer
okay and and look through all the stuff
uh and we're also looking to have some
formal training videos uh that we will
launch shortly just learning videos that
that will be available uh online as well
if people just want to learn but we
again welcome you I think this is the
end of our our talk but we welcome you
to go back to the uh uh take a tour with
us to the to the to the floor where we
have an example and the and the guys can
actually show you how this works in
action and not just in theod so thank
you very much thank you thank you all
thank you John thank you s
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