Piers Morgan vs Slavoj Zizek On Israel-Hamas, Putin And More
Summary
TLDREn este fascinante diálogo, el filósofo Slavoj Žižek y el entrevistador exploran temas controvertidos y actuales, desde la guerra entre Ucrania y Rusia, la situación en Israel y Palestina, hasta la cultura cancel y la política de la identidad de género. Žižek, conocido como el 'filósofo más peligroso del occidente', comparte sus opiniones sin censura, incluyendo su crítica a la izquierda 'despertada' y su perspectiva sobre el populismo, argumentando que hay una necesidad de abordar los problemas subyacentes que llevaron al surgimiento de figuras como Trump. Además, se discuten las implicaciones de las grandes corporaciones tecnológicas y la importancia de una monarquía simbólica en la democracia.
Takeaways
- 🌍 El entrevistado considera que el sistema capitalista global se acerca a una crisis y sugiere la necesidad de una solidaridad global renovada.
- 🗳️ Él expresa escepticismo hacia la democracia y la libertad, argumentando que a menudo la mayoría de las personas son engañadas y que la descolonización a veces ha llevado a resultados negativos.
- 🏹 Critica a Rusia y su actitud expansionista, y señala que el apoyo de Occidente a Ucrania debería ser más firme para evitar futuras confrontaciones.
- 🕊️ Reconoce que Hamas tiene elementos de resistencia armada, pero condena sus actos de terrorismo, especialmente el ataque del 7 de octubre.
- 🤝 Defiende la necesidad de que Israel y Palestina aprendan a convivir, dado que de lo contrario, ambos sufrirán.
- 💣 Alerta sobre la cancel culture y su impacto negativo en la libertad de expresión, comparando sus métodos con los de los fascistas.
- 🧠 Expresa preocupación por el futuro de la sexualidad y la intimidad en una sociedad donde la tecnología como Neuralink podría eliminar la necesidad de lenguaje.
- 🎬 Comparte su opinión sobre películas como 'Oppenheimer' y 'Barbie', sugiriendo que el mundo de Barbie es un infierno y criticando la profundidad oriental de 'Oppenheimer'.
- 🤔 Reflexiona sobre la posibilidad de que Donald Trump gane las próximas elecciones presidenciales y señala los problemas con el establishment político actual.
- 👑 Defiende la teoría de Hegel sobre la monarquía como una figura simbólica que representa el sentido común, en lugar de la reinado de expertos.
Q & A
¿Por qué se le llama al entrevistado el 'filósofo más peligroso del occidente'?
-El entrevistado es referido como el 'filósofo más peligroso del occidente' debido a su capacidad para cuestionar y debatir temas controvertidos y su influencia en las masas, lo que lo coloca en un lugar de riesgo en el pensamiento occidental.
¿Cuál es la posición del entrevistado sobre el conflicto entre Ucrania y Rusia?
-El entrevistado está de acuerdo con la necesidad de que Occidente deje de jugar un juego ambiguo y apoye a Ucrania en su lucha contra la expansión imperialista de Rusia, criticando la actitud de Putin y la falta de oposición en el debate.
¿Qué opina el entrevistado sobre el movimiento de resistencia armada de Hamas?
-Aunque el entrevistado reconoce que Hamas tiene elementos de resistencia armada, también critica que muchos de sus actos, especialmente el ataque del 7 de octubre, fueron actos de terror.
¿Cómo ve el entrevistado la situación en Israel y Palestina?
-El entrevistado critica tanto a los colonizadores israelíes en Cisjordania como a las acciones de Hamas, y enfatiza la necesidad de que ambos lados acepten convivir pacíficamente, como sugiere el ex canciller de Irlanda.
¿Qué es lo que el entrevistado encuentra problemático con el nacionalismo religioso de Netanyahu y su gobierno?
-El entrevistado ve un problema con el nacionalismo religioso de Netanyahu y su gobierno, especialmente en cómo se refieren a los palestinos y la colonización lenta en Cisjordania, lo cual considera completamente incorrecto.
¿Qué piensa el entrevistado sobre la cultura del 'cancel culture'?
-El entrevistado critica la 'cancel culture' por excluir a aquellos que no siguen la línea de la izquierda políticamente correcta, y considera que esto socava los objetivos que la misma cultura busca promover.
¿Cómo se relaciona el entrevistado la 'cancel culture' con el nuevo populismo de derecha?
-El entrevistado considera que la 'cancel culture' y el nuevo populismo de derecha son dos caras de la misma moneda, y que ambos están socavando la libertad de expresión y la democracia.
¿Qué es lo que el entrevistado encuentra fascinante sobre la idea de Neuralink de Elon Musk?
-El entrevistado se cuestiona cómo la idea de Neuralink, que permite una comunicación directa entre el cerebro humano y la computadora, afectará la sexualidad, la cual requiere del lenguaje y las insinuaciones.
¿Qué opina el entrevistado sobre el filme 'Oppenheimer' y su inclusión del Bhagavad Gita?
-El entrevistado critica la inclusión del Bhagavad Gita en 'Oppenheimer', ya que considera que el libro ha sido utilizado históricamente para justificar actos inmorales y no debe ser asociado con actos de amor y sexualidad.
¿Cuál es la perspectiva del entrevistado sobre Donald Trump y su potencial regreso a la Casa Blanca?
-El entrevistado sugiere que, aunque no está de acuerdo con muchas de las políticas de Trump, su victoria potencial indicaría una crisis en el modelo de estado de bienestar liberal y una oportunidad para que el izquierdopopulismo reflexione sobre sus errores.
¿Qué papel ve el entrevistado para la monarquía en la democracia moderna?
-El entrevistado defiende la idea de una monarquía simbólica, como la defendida por Hegel, donde el monarca representa el sentido común y no el conocimiento especializado, lo que evita el reinado de expertos y preserva la democracia.
Outlines
😐 Discusión filosófica y política
El primer párrafo presenta una conversación entre un entrevistador y un filósofofo llamado Slavo, discutiendo temas variados como la geopolítica, el análisis psicoanalítico y la cultura popular. Se menciona a Jordan Peterson y se explora la idea de la guerra, la oposición en Occidente, el movimiento de resistencia armado de Hamas y la cultura cancel. El filósofofo expresa su perspectiva de un sistema capitalista global en crisis y la necesidad de una nueva práctica de solidaridad global, a la vez que cuestiona la democracia y la libertad, especialmente en el contexto de la descolonización y los problemas resultantes en países como Uganda y Sudáfrica.
🌎 Conflictos globales y la postura sobre Ucrania y Rusia
En este párrafo, se profundiza en la discusión sobre la guerra entre Ucrania y Rusia. El entrevistador y el filósofofo, Slavo, parecen estar de acuerdo en que Occidente no debería apoyar a Ucrania de manera ambigua. Se critica a Rusia y su apoyo a extremaderos en Europa, y se menciona la afirmación de Putin sobre la identidad de Rusia como heredera del legado de Lenin. Además, se discute la decisión de Ucrania de renunciar a su capacidad nuclear y se argumenta que esto podría haber incentivado la invasión por parte de Rusia. Se enfatiza la necesidad de leer y entender las perspectivas de los líderes políticos y la ideología detrás de sus acciones.
🕊️ La situación de Israel y Palestina y la crítica a las políticas de asentamiento
El diálogo se enfoca en el conflicto de Israel y Palestina, con el filósofofo criticando los actos de terrorismo de Hamas, así como las políticas de asentamiento de Israel en Cisjordania. Se argumenta que tanto Hamas como los hardliners israelíes se fortalecen mutuamente en un 'abrazo de tango'. Se sugiere que tanto la extrema derecha israelí como la extrema izquierda palestina son problemáticas y que ambas partes deben aceptar la convivencia pacífica, como sucedió en Irlanda. Se menciona la opinión de Yuval Harari sobre la lucha entre dos almas de Israel y se critica la ideología religiosa nacionalista de algunos miembros del gobierno de Israel.
🗣️ Cancel culture y la defensa de la libertad de expresión
En este segmento, se discute el fenómeno de la 'cancel culture' y su impacto en la libertad de expresión. El filósofofo y el entrevistador comparten su preocupación sobre cómo esta cultura excluye a aquellos que tienen opiniones diversas y no se alinean con los dogmas de derecha o izquierda. Se argumenta que la cancel culture es contradictoria con sus propios ideales de inclusión y diversidad, y se compara con el fascismo en su forma de imponer la conformidad y destruir la vida de aquellos que desafían sus normas. Se sugiere que esta actitud da impulso al surgimiento del nuevo populista derecha.
🤔 Reflexiones sobre la tecnología, la política y la cultura
El filósofofo, Slavo, comparte su visión sobre la tecnología de Neuralink de Elon Musk y su impacto potencial en la sexualidad humana, argumentando que la eliminación del lenguaje y la comunicación indirecta podría despojar a la erótica de su misterio y fascinación. También se discuten las películas 'Oppenheimer' y 'Barbie', con Slavo expresando su desagrado por la profundidad oriental hindú de 'Oppenheimer' y su falta de interés en 'Barbie' debido a su representación de un mundo que, a pesar de ser un lugar de fantasía, es en realidad un infierno. Se menciona la crítica de Slavo a la cita de la Bhagavad Gita en un contexto sexual en 'Oppenheimer', y se comparte su perspectiva sobre la popularidad de la filosofía oriental entre la élite moderna.
🏦 El impacto de las megacorporaciones y la crítica a la izquierda liberal
Se explora la idea de que las nuevas megacorporaciones están asumiendo el control de la vida social, similar a los antiguos maestros feudales, y cómo esto ha dado lugar al surgimiento del populismo, representado por figuras como Donald Trump. Slavo critica tanto a Trump como a la izquierda liberal estadounidense, argumentando que la victoria de Trump sería un síntoma de la falla del estado de bienestar y la sociedad liberal. Se sugiere que la izquierda debería reflexionar sobre sus errores y no simplemente criticar a Trump, y se menciona el libro 'Technofeudalismo' de Yanis Varoufakis, que argumenta que las megacorporaciones se asemejan más a los antiguos señores feudales que a cualquier otro sistema.
👑 Defensa de la monarquía simbólica y la crítica a la democracia de expertos
Slavo comparte su perspectiva sobre la teoría hegeliana de la monarquía, defendiendo la idea de un monarca como una figura simbólica que representa el sentido común y no el conocimiento especializado. Critica la idea de un gobierno de expertos y argumenta que la persistencia de la monarquía indica una limitación de la democracia representativa tradicional. Sugiere que, aunque no se puede volver a una monarquía tradicional, hay otras opciones como la lotería para elegir a los líderes, y que la monarquía podría tener un papel positivo en la actualidad.
👋 Conclusión de una conversación fascinante y desafiante
El diálogo concluye con el entrevistador expresando su aprecio por la conversación y elogio a Slavo por su capacidad para desafiar las nociones convencionales y su enfoque postmoderno. Se sugiere que la izquierda progresista debería aprender de figuras como Bernie Sanders, quien representa la decencia y la moralidad, y que la política debería enfocarse en cómo convencer y mobilizar a las personas ordinarias. Se destaca la importancia de no temer el término 'Moral Majority' y de aceptar las mejores instintos morales de la gente.
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Keywords
💡filósofo
💡Jordan Peterson
💡geopolitics
💡comunismo
💡decolonización
💡cancel culture
💡Ucrania
💡Israel-Palestina
💡fundamentalismo religioso
💡libertad de expresión
Highlights
Slavo's view on the West's ambiguous support for Ukraine against Russia's invasion.
Slavo's perspective on Hamas, describing it as an armed resistance movement with acts of terror.
The problem with cancel culture excluding diverse opinions and enforcing conformity.
Slavo's self-definition as a 'moderately conservative communist' and his views on global capitalism.
Critique of decolonization processes and their outcomes, such as in Uganda and South Africa.
Slavo's philosophical joke about democracy and human rights, comparing them to a superstitious horse shoe.
Agreement on the need for Ukraine to not have given up its nuclear capability.
Slavo's stance on Russia's portrayal in the media and the importance of understanding their narrative.
Views on the Israel-Palestine conflict, emphasizing the need for both sides to accept coexistence.
Slavo's critique of the new populist right and the woke politically correct left as two sides of the same coin.
Discussion on the impact of technology like neuralink on human sexuality and social interaction.
Slavo's thoughts on the cultural and political implications of the movie 'Oppenheimer'.
Opinions on Donald Trump's potential return to the White House and its global impact.
Slavo's theory of monarchy as a symbolic figure to prevent the reign of experts and maintain democracy.
Reflection on the importance of appealing to the moral majority in politics.
Final thoughts on the need for a progressive left to connect with ordinary people and their moral instincts.
Transcripts
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he's often been called the most
dangerous philosopher in the west
locking horns with Dr Jordan Peterson
and captivating crowds that sell out
speeches very similar to the bestselling
books ban everything from geopolitics to
psychoanalysis and popular culture or
with a controversial communist bent at
the most Elementary level you are not
bullshitting you are an open mind what
is your view about where we are with
this war there is no opposition I agree
with you the West has to stop this
ambiguous game trying to support Ukraine
but not too much some people now claim
that Hamas is basically a armed
resistance movement in some sense it is
both Sid have to accept they are
condemned to live with one another there
if they don't do this they will just be
dying both the problem with cancel
culture is there precisely excluding
everyone who is
diverse joins
uncens great to have you and great to be
with you I'm really proud you know why
because although we probably don't share
the same political view I'll put it at
the most Elementary level you are not
bullshitting you don't follow neither
rightwing not left left wing Vogue dogma
and so on you are an open mind this is
more than ever important today well
thank you very much and in fact I was I
was doing a lot of research into you uh
slavo about your views about various
issues in the news and as I went down
the list I realized we pretty much agree
on almost everything going on and I
realized then that I must therefore be
the second most dangerous philosopher in
the
west I am not surprised by it because to
provoke you and our public now you know
how I Define myself quite seriously uh
moderately conservative communist don't
go into Panic by communist I simply mean
I think that the present Global
capitalist system is approaching some
kind of a crisis
environment migration and so on and so
on that's all a new practice of global
solidarity will have to be uh activated
But Here Comes the moderate conservative
but I'm extremely skeptical then to any
proposed measures that we have democracy
people say we need authentic democracy
sorry I'm here against uh Lincoln you
know Link's famous uh you can deceive
some people all the time all the people
sometimes but not all the people all the
time unfortunately I think most of the
time most of the people are deceived
second thing Freedom what do you mean by
Freedom let's take
decolonization yes I am for it but as a
leftist I am obsessed
by how things went wrong in many cases
of
decolonization take Uganda you know that
they vot voted a law a couple of months
ago which uh unanimously almost which
makes homosexuality punishable even with
death penalty and they justify this with
uh rejecting Western culture colonialism
or South Africa one of my most
depressive experiences I spoke recently
with a
very gentle old lady very high
positioned in in African nation Congress
and I asked her what's the real
situation in South Africa you know what
she told me Nightmare she told me more
and more among the poor black
majority the atmosphere which dominates
is Nostalgia for apide the standard of
living for the blacks was more or less
the same maybe even slightly higher as
now but there was precisely because it
was a police state more public order and
so on and so on these are the real
problem and I think the game that we
should reject is blame the right you
know oh it's all effects of uh of
colonization no it's not so simple the
next thing that makes me really
dangerous maybe hopefully I think is you
know maybe you know it what's my favor
philosophical joke you know Nils B
quantum physics and so on he had a house
outside Copenhagen and the friend
visited them and saw a horse shoe on the
entrance Door this is with us in Europe
a
superstitious uh object allegedly it
prevents evil spirits to enter the house
and the friend asked nil B listen do you
believe in this this is aren't
you a scientist you know what Bor
answers answered of course I don't
believe in it but I have it there
because I was told it works even if you
don't believe in it unfortunately that's
how all the Democracy legal system human
rights work today mostly we practice
them but we don't believe in them we
don't take them
seriously yeah I think you may listen I
don't think you're dangerous at all um
let me talk to you first about Ukraine
Russia um I had a a guy called John
mimer on recently who was is arguing to
me that Russia was provoked into this
war they shouldn't be blamed for it and
so on I have a very different view what
is your view about where we are with
this
war this conversation is turning very
bad because again there is no opposition
I agree with you but what may be a
surprise for you is that I agree with
you as a
leftist that is uh that is to say don't
people listen my got to what Russia
their official media Putin and so on
what they are saying some of my crazy
leftist friends even claim but
nonetheless Russia is anti Nat so it
must be good are they crazy look at whom
Russia is supporting in Western Europe
only the radical right- Wingers Le
alternative for Germany in Germany and
so on second thing you know what Putin
said on the day of the invasion 21st and
then 23rd of
February a year ago or two years ago
even he said something terrifying he
said the true name of Russia should be
Russia of Vladimir ilich Lenin so he
wants to take from ukrainians something
that only paradoxically I'm very
critical of lening uh uh the early bolik
gave them so this is clear for Putin he
is in no way a leftist my God he's a
dark conservative religious fanatic
that's why I to provoke people as you
know I think I said give even nuclear
arms to Ukraine as a well on that point
saying on that
point yeah I think it was a terrible
mistake for for Ukraine to be persuaded
to give up their nuclear capability
because it seemed to me that was just a
green light to Putin to then invade
them absolutely I mean uh uh uh and okay
it's true that at that point am I
correct or not I'm not sure it wasn't
yet Putin it was yelin right but they
should have taken this precaution yeah
because it's clear here I this agree
with mimer it's clear that it's not just
Ukraine it's clear that that it began
with grusia Georgia Crea mova and so on
no Russia is they openly say it it's in
an imperial
expansionist stage and I think the
longer we tolerate it the more horrible
will be the final uh confrontation yes
that's why incidentally I read as far as
I can their media you know I hope we
agree also here one of the most stupid
uh politically correct pacifist saying
is an enemy is somebody whose words you
did not listen no sorry I read Hitler M
comp and after reading that he was even
more my enemy so that's why I think we
should read what Horrors they are saying
uh uh Russian media they have a full
return to religious fundamentalism they
portray the war in Ukraine as the war of
Christian civilization against demoniac
Satanism and so on yeah I mean they are
no less than Arabs they are today the in
the worst sense fanatical religious
fundamentalists they have to be stopped
unconditionally the West has to stop
this ambiguous game of uh trying
to support Ukraine but not too much so
that we will not annoy Russia too much
and so that we will not hurt our
standard of living too much no we are in
an emergency State we
Europe I completely agree with you uh I
I cannot understand particularly can't
understand it looks that when will I
want KN where when will we disagree
let's go
on let's move to to Israel Palestine I
don't think we will here either because
you've taken a you've taken a view of
trying to see both sides of this and
that's made you unpopular with both
sides and I've done the same where I try
and look at it you know fairly and
understand the history but also
understand what happened on October the
7th and understand the questions over
proportionality of response and so on
what is your view of of where we are
with the Israel Hamas war and what's
happening in
Gaza first to clarify things even if
some people now claim that Hamas is
basically a a armed resistance movement
in some sense it is but nonetheless many
of its acts most of its acts especially
October the 7th attack where purely
clearly acts of Terror you know why I
didn't know people there in that area
attacked by Hamas but they knew people
who knew the people there and they were
shocked you know that that raving party
the these were the most pacifist people
in all of Israel the young people it was
almost an act meant to be an act of
solidarity with Gaza the kots Hamas
slaughtered was a Kuts welln for helping
even half illegally people in Gaza all
the time so here things are absolutely
clear at the same time I have big
problems with
this almost I would say Pudo religious
nationalist Twist by Netanyahu and
especially some guys in his government
who even use the terms Palestinians are
like Amal those in the Bible slaughtered
and so on and especially what's
problematic with me is West
Bank there a
slow colonization is happening now on
behalf of Israel I ad one thing the main
culprit
is yeah it shouldn't be happening the
main C is don't you think yeah I I just
don't I think what's happening on the
really surprise you yeah I I just want
to say sa I think that what's happening
on the West Bank uh is
actually that's the one thing everybody
should agree is completely wrong you
know you can argue about the
proportionality of Israel's attacks in
Gaza but nobody should be happy with
what the Israeli settlers are doing on
the West Bank it's completely
wrong and now I will tell you something
that will not Shock you you appear to me
a more reasonable being but what uh
shocks many of my friends you know who
is for me at this point the greatest
voice of reason there to act Secret
Service Israeli Chiefs especially did
you read the interview by ex
finb uh Chief uh uh
aan he said that the formula there is
give Palestinians a hope and that's the
only way long-term way to peace and he
even proposes a scenario you have marvan
baruti who is for 20 years in prison had
an aura of Mandela but he is now I know
people who spoke with him absolutely for
a peaceful solution uh and so on and so
on so for me the true horror is that
Hamas
and the Israeli
hardliners
are in a Tango Embrace strengthening
each other I think and I here I agree
with Yuval Harari when he speaks about
uh uh the struggle of the two Souls of
Israel this more open pacifist soul and
here I'm not a utopian I'm not not
saying Israel should disband secret
Services no I'm not crazy I'm just
saying both sides have to accept that as
Ireland put it they are condemned to
live with one another there if they
don't do this they will just be dying
both together there and it's incredible
how in this sensitive situation you say
things like this and at the same time
you I mean me now are attacked as
anti-semitic Hamas supporter and from
the other side in Al jazer there was a
whole campaign against me that I am just
a soft liberal Zionist and so on and so
on it's a very sad situation well we
live in a very strange world don't we
where everyone is very tribal it's
fueled by social media you have to take
a side you have to be implacably on one
side or another and you even if facts
change you can't change your opinion or
support for your tribe if you like and
what that means is that that Free Speech
becomes under more and more threat
because people dare not actually Express
their honestly held opinion that's why
you and I get attacked by people on both
sides of a lot of these debates um
because we we refuse to be put into a
box absolutely and I think those who are
are
especially suffering or are affected by
this is the
so-called let's call it liberal
moderate left with The Madness of uh
whism cancel culture and so on why what
for me the problem with cancel culture
it's evident for to me as a philosopher
they preach uh inclusion and diversity
but what are they doing they are
precisely
excluding everyone who is diverse who
doesn't follow their line and the
situation is extremely annoying yeah
because you even don't know the rules in
advance you know all of a sudden for
something you can be cancelled the the
rules the rules are not the rules are
not uh uh clear so uh you know what this
cancel culture reminds me of you know
this eternal joke everybody knows it
researcher comes to a lone tribe and ask
them are do you do you still have
cannibals there the answer they get is
no we just ate the last cannibal last
week you know that's what council
culture is doing it no we have no no no
no no male sism exclusionism whatever
here because we just excluded uh we just
excluded the last one that's the reality
that's the tragedy of councel culture I
agree in principle with their goals some
of not but generally but the way they
want to enforce their goals the very way
they do what they are doing undermines
what they are doing it's a tragedy and
as such they are giving uh
arguments energy to the new populist
right they fit together for me the new
populist right and this woke politically
correct councel culture left are simply
two sides of the same I completely agree
in fact I would I would go further and
say that they're basically both forms of
fascism and the irony about the woke
left is that if you ask them what's the
thing you hate most in the world they
would probably say fascism and yet the
way they behave in canceling people for
having opinions in trying to destroy
their lives in canceling history and
canceling everything in life that people
enjoy is that they're behaving exactly
like fascists would
behave here I would no I completely
disagree with you finally PR unle
finally I completely I no no no no I
agree with you I would just be careful
with the term fascism because if we
Define fascism in a broader sense not
anti-Semitism kill all the enemy but the
basic idea of fashist for me we want
modern technology modernization and so
on but we don't want the disruptive
effects of Freedom liberalism we want to
control it by some Central National
imposed ideology and strong party then
you know how far I'm here ready to go
take countries like Russia like India
like turkey and maybe China itself in
some sense this broad sense not exactly
Nazism they are all moving in this
direction of at least if not more soft
fascism modernization yes but bridled
controlled by a strong centralized State
and foundant is some
nationalist ideology but I would see I
would say you're not necessarily
disagreeing with me because I totally
understand that that is the the
definition of fascism but the ideology
of fascist is that you will behave the
way we tell you to behave and if you
don't we'll kill you either in reality
we'll literally kill you or in the case
of the woke left uh which Elon Musk
calls the the woke mind virus we will we
will kill off your ability to have an
opinion and will ruin your life for
having an opinion that is the same kind
of thinking of a fascist it's you will
conform to the way that I decide you
will lead your life or we will destroy
you I agree with you but I would just
add uh something that there is another
phenomenon in our Western liberal
countries which a phenomenon which
worries me even more in marginal media
and so on you still can say important
things but in some sense the
effect is cancelled like you can up to a
point tell the truth about ecology about
I don't know what but yeah yeah yeah we
all agree and then it goes on I know
this because I was years ago in
psychoanalysis diagnosed by obsessional
neurotic and I will tell you now a funny
detail what happened to me I was talking
during the session there were short
sessions all the time why because I
wanted to I didn't want even to give a
second to the analyst to ask me some
tough questions so the idea was talk
talk talk not so that you achieve
something but to make it sure that
nothing will change and I think that you
know a lot of today's tolerated
criticism works like this if you allow
me it's in my nature in my jeans I
cannot change it a wonderful I use it
often dirty joke not to dirty s for the
public from from I think even
pre-revolutionary you away times when
Russia was
yeah was uh uh occupied by tatars okay a
Russian couple farmer and his wife walk
on the street a Tatar comes on a horse
and says I will now rape your wife but
not only you have to watch it uh you
have to uh hold my testicles so that
when I'm raping her there will be no
dust on my testicles okay the T does it
right away and then the farmer start
starts to jump out of pleasure haha I
won the hor horrified wife says in what
sense I was rap He the farmer said but
hahaa no his balls are are are full of
dust you know like I didn't hold them a
lot of criticism especially leftist
criticism remains at this level in front
of instead of confronting the two the
true basic questions we remain at this
superf FAL
level the most fascinating Revelation
about you recently uh slavo was uh that
you wrote a piece for the new Statesman
explaining that Elon Musk had ruined
your sex life could you explain
that of course this is my typical
rhetorical exaggeration but I I can
exactly tell you what I meant I
developed this in a book that I wrote on
Danger on what Elon Musk calls neuralink
the idea of the immediate contact
between our brains first my thoughts can
be read by a computer computer is linked
to your brain so that's Elon musk's
dream we even will no longer need
language but isn't
sexuality something that needs language
all the flirting the erotic gains and so
on thrive in this Gap
between what you can say what you only
hint at and so on imagine what happens
in this Society where our brains are
directly linked I see somebody a woman a
man a day I don't care whom I
consider desirable we just look at each
other and if I'm lucky both of us in our
brain think okay let's do it and we do
it I claim this is no longer
sexuality fascinating um let me ask you
about the most
contentious debate in the world right
now following the Oscars which is
Oppenheimer versus Barbie I interviewed
verer Herzog recently who said that he
tried to watch Barbie he he got about
half half an hour into it and said he he
could he deduced that uh could it be
that the world of Barbie is sheer hell
would you agree with
that I agree with him you know but you
know in what sense uh it's sense in the
sense that what I moderately liked about
the movie was that it takes place among
Barbie and other dolls and so on and
it's nice to fantasize about it but in
itself this world is hell and we know it
but the question here for me is why then
do we need to dream about something of
which deeply in ourselves deep in
ourselves we are well aware that this is
uh hell about open and I same with you
good guy you it took you half an hour to
me it took 10 minutes I couldn't watch
it further about
Oppenheimer yeah yeah yeah you know what
I didn't like in the movie I liked all
these political implications and so on
although I'm not simply even on
Oppenheimer site I think that his idea
that the United States should not
further develop uh n uh nuclear weapons
because then Russia will is simply wrong
Russia would have done it in any way and
so on but uh I like the political aspect
what I didn't like is
thiso Oriental Hindu depth of you know
bhavat Gita all that stuff and let me
briefly explain to you why this got me a
couple of month ago in deep trouble in
India uh you know the first sexual act
uh uh Florence Hugh making CL with
Oppenheimer yes and uh she asked him or
she her I well to quote read Bhagavad
Gita okay IND thean exploded they said
story this is our sacred book how can
you spoil it reading putting it into
such a dirty context of illegitimate sex
you know what was my reply I agree with
you but in the opposite
sense you have a beautiful loving sexual
act and you spoil it by quoting one of
the dirtiest books of all the time you
don't believe me let me tell you a fact
do you know that bhavat Gita was a
favored book of Henry himler the author
of Holocaust really thief of ss you know
why yeah he thought in a in an ironic
sense ethically his problem was This Ss
officers and soldiers had to do horrible
thing killing Jewish women children and
so on how can they do this without
becoming bestial brutal
themselves and his reply was bhavat Gita
don't identify with your acts at act at
at a distance from
yourself so no wonder that uh some kind
of thiso Oriental thought is extremely
popular
among parts of the new Elite like don't
you know you are doing horrible things
but you say no I'm just acting this this
is not the real me and so on and so on
you see uh but that's my problem with
Oppenheimer less of that Oriental staff
of mysteries and so on and so on and
more about political background and so
on what fascinating what is your view of
Donald Trump and do you think he's going
to win back the White
House he can but uh again ah now you
will see why here I get hatred from both
sides on the one hand especially
considering the global situation I think
Trump's Victory would have meant that
United States will become one among the
other the so-called bricks countries and
their formula I'm opposed to Bricks
their formula is you have your way of
life have ours let's tolerate each other
we have seen what this means when
Taliban won in Afghanistan there was
immediate peace between Taliban the new
regime and China the deal was you
although you are Muslims allow ask
Chinese to do what we want with uur
Muslims we allow do you what you want to
do with women women's rights and so on
and so on so here I have a problem
and
so with Trump let me tell you a joke
which I constructed it's a paraphrase of
an O paraphrase of an old joke from
communism imagine that three big names
in today's politics Putin he speak the
boss of China and Trump are allowed
briefly to confront God and each of them
can ask God a question first Putin asks
tell me what what will be with my
beloved Russia in next years God says
looks bad not about Ukraine war but you
will be in a couple of years an economic
province of China basically economically
colonized by China uh Putin turns around
and starts to cry then uh she turns to
God and asks what about uh China will be
so will be so strong God says sorry I
also have bad news for you uh uh your
economic Miracle will stop you will
either have to go to war to China sorry
with
taian new militarization or you will
have to rely to Taiwan for economic then
Trump says oh wonderful America will
remain so what will happen in America if
I am elected president again you can
guess my answer God turns around and
starts to
cry what's my point here I am not
totally against uh Trump because you
know what you should never forget with
all my critique of trump that uh this
trumpian new populism didn't fall from
the Moon it is an outcome a result of
the failure of the standard welfare
state American left liberal Society
something went wrong there and I think
that that's the problem with Biden I
remember his
inauguration it was for me an utterly
disgusting spectacle was a simple
mistake let's return to the Glorious
American Dream welfare state pass so
that I think although I don't fully
agree with him the Moment of Truth there
at the inauguration was you remember
Bernie Sanders sitting alone he C he
caught the show you know Millions felt
something is wrong in this spectacle so
the lesson for so-called Democratic
modal left in the United States from me
is don't just hit at Trump ask yourself
what you were doing wrong so that we
have such a strong wave of populism
because although I disagree with Trump
his basic idea that new Mega
corporations are controlling not only
whatever remains of the working class
but also of let's call them naively
small new creative capitalists is in
some sense true this is why my leftist
friend with whom I don't always agree
but here I condition agree with him what
my leftist friend yanis vakis claims in
his new book techn fism these new Mega
corporations more and more resemble old
FAL
Masters controlling a whole domain of
our social life so you know the
situation is here very complex so
instead of just CR criticizing Trump
let's ask what did he perceive that the
standard liberal Democratic left is
ignoring this has been fascinating uh
slavo uh I was going to ask you at the
end whether you had any opinion about
the royal family given everybody else
does right
now uh I am not fascinated by them but I
can tell you something which may be a
shock for you this is my last text that
I published namely uh in defense of
hegel's theory of
monarchy Hegel the great German idealist
defended monarchy not as a king with
full executive power but a king as a
purely symbolic figure which just as
heel puts it signs his or her name dot
the ey this is important because without
such a figure on the top you get the
reign of experts which is the worst
thing that can happen it's the end of
democracy so I think that of course we
cannot return today to a old style
monarchy but it's important that on the
top of the state there is sorry for the
expression an idiot like we all Ordinary
People he stands for as this the Paradox
of a king for me a good Monarch is that
he is like one of us he stands there for
common sense not for some special
knowledge and so on and so on that's in
this sense I see crazy as it may sound a
potential positive role of monarchy
today it's not possible but there are
other options like lot lottery and so on
so I think
that the persistance of
monarchy signals a serious limitation of
our traditional representative democracy
and again let's not just dismiss it as a
remainder of some reactionary past let's
see what why does it persist what is not
no longer working as it TR in our
representative democracies once again
slavo I find myself nodding away uh so
people may call you the most dangerous
philosopher in the west uh but I think
we found an awful lot of common ground
so either I am equally dangerous or
actually you're a voice of common sense
in a sea of tribalistic Madness but you
know what I will tell you very important
what you said now because you know that
uh now I come to another point which
will bring us to this that's why I not
no don't know where he is now
politically but I have sympathies for
people like Bernie Sanders not I'm not
talking about politics now but about how
they
function is that he for me not in what
he says but in the way he acts a true
postmodern relativist he makes fun of
everything obscenities and so on and so
on but I think that Bernie Sanders
often almost I would say stand for
common decency and Moral Majority I
think that if a new Progressive left
wants to have any chance they should
stop to despise Ordinary People and uh
accept that the main focus of politics
should be how to not dup but convince
mobilized Ordinary People in appealing
to their best uh moral instincts and so
on and so on let's not be afraid of this
term Moral Majority slavo what an
absolute pleasure to interview you uh
what a fascinating conversation I think
people are going to love this and I
really appreciate you going un sensored
tonight let's hope so it was the
pleasure for me also thank
you
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