王志安留給台灣觀眾的謎團：開玩笑到底有沒有邊界？

Summary

LeLe Farley在此视频中讨论了王志安在台湾深夜秀中模仿身体有障碍的律师陈的行为，以及其引发的争议。作为一名喜剧演员，Farley强调喜剧无禁区，意图比内容更重要。他通过比较美国喜剧演员的成功与失败的模仿案例，探讨了模仿艺术的界限。Farley认为，即使非专业喜剧人士也有权进行模仿和讽刺，关键在于模仿的质量和对被模仿对象的尊重。他最后呼吁中文世界不要对幽默设限，认为喜剧和模仿是对喜剧演员技能和社会意识的重大考验。

Takeaways

• 😊 王志安的笑话虽然低级,但并不代表残疾人就不能开玩笑
• 😞 王志安的模仿太过懒惰,没有展现真正的喜剧艺术
• 🤔 喜剧没有禁区,只有恶意和艺术的区别
• 😄 美国喜剧界已经很成熟,容忍度很高
• 🧐 演员是否有资格开这种玩笑,还是问题所在
• 😎 喜剧的目的是消除隔阂,突破框架
• 🙂 台湾的喜剧环境还不够成熟
• ☹️ 王志安的身份令人对他的期望更高
• 🔥 喜剧需要不断尝试,而观众也要有包容心
• 😌 评判一则笑话好坏,最重要的是质量

Q & A

LeLe Farley对王志安在台湾深夜秀上模仿身体有障碍的律师陈的看法是什么？

LeLe Farley认为，尽管王志安的模仿可能是出于好意，旨在融入现场气氛并取悦年轻观众，但他的表现并不尊重，因为模仿没有做到位，缺乏对陈个人背景和说话方式的理解。LeLe Farley强调，即便是模仿身体有障碍的人，也应该基于尊重和艺术性，而不是简单地为了笑料。

LeLe Farley如何看待王志安作为记者参与喜剧表演？

LeLe Farley指出，虽然王志安本身是记者而非专业喜剧演员，但这并不意味着他不能在喜剧舞台上做出表演。问题在于，作为记者，公众对他有着更高的期望，认为他应该保持客观、严肃和事实基础，而他的喜剧表演并未能满足这些期望。

LeLe Farley对喜剧中的“踢上踹下”原则持何看法？

LeLe Farley不赞成“踢上踹下”的原则，他认为喜剧应该打破阶级和差异，关注人性共同点，而不是界定谁高谁低。他认为，这种界定本身就是对弱势群体的一种歧视。

为什么LeLe Farley认为没有哪个群体是不能被拿来开玩笑的？

LeLe Farley认为，只要出于平等和非歧视的意图，就没有任何群体是不能被拿来开玩笑的。他认为，避免特定群体或觉得他们需要特别关照，实际上是一种间接的歧视。

LeLe Farley是如何评价Shane Gillis的表演的？

LeLe Farley高度评价Shane Gillis模仿患有唐氏综合征的叔叔的表演，认为这种模仿出于尊重，从不同角度让人们理解这个群体，而非寻求同情。他认为，Shane Gillis通过精确和技巧性的模仿，将喜剧艺术提升到了一个新的层次。

LeLe Farley为什么认为王志安的模仿是懒惰的？

LeLe Farley认为王志安的模仿懒惰，因为他没有花时间去了解陈的个人经历和背景，仅仅看到了陈的身体残疾，而没有深入理解其个性，因此他的模仿显得肤浅且攻击性。

LeLe Farley如何看待喜剧中的模仿艺术？

LeLe Farley认为，喜剧中的模仿艺术是一种技巧性工作，能否掌握正确的度和角度入手，是对喜剧演员技能的重大考验。良好的模仿可以拉近喜剧演员与观众的距离，而粗糙的模仿则可能带来恶意。

LeLe Farley对年轻人在民主社会中的态度是什么？

LeLe Farley认为，年轻人在民主社会中批判权力是一件好事，他们对执政党的批评态度是可以理解的，这反映了社会的健康和活力。

LeLe Farley提到的Brendan Schaub的例子说明了什么问题？

通过Brendan Schaub的例子，LeLe Farley说明了即使是专业人士也可能因为不了解被模仿对象的真实情况而做出不恰当的模仿，这种基于刻板印象的模仿不仅不好笑，而且可能具有歧视性。

LeLe Farley认为喜剧界和观众对于模仿的接受度有何变化？

LeLe Farley认为，随着时间的推移，美国的喜剧界和观众都变得更加成熟和宽容。喜剧演员通过精心准备和对文化的深刻理解来创作作品，而观众也学会了欣赏这种努力和技巧，同时对粗糙的模仿表现出抵制态度。

Outlines

00:00

😊乐乐谈王志安模仿残疾律师陈永顺的段子

乐乐首先表达了对王志安在台湾夜间秀上模仿残疾律师陈永顺的段子被撤销广告的理解。然后表示要全面分析自己对这则段子的看法,因为作为喜剧演员,讲段子是她的工作。她提到过去讨论过的几则相关话题,指出观众必须支持喜剧演员尝试的权利。她认为问题不在于王志安取笑残疾人,而是他的模仿做得不好。

05:02

😁美国热门喜剧演员模仿智障叔叔的段子案例

乐乐举出美国热门喜剧演员Shane Gillis模仿自己患有唐氏综合症叔叔的段子。这个段子将悲伤滤镜移除,让人从不同角度去理解这一群体。它需要非常高的技巧。乐乐指出问题在于王志安的模仿太懒,没有理解陈永顺的背景。段子带有攻击性。

10:02

😃乐乐总结不应该禁止对某些群体的模仿

乐乐认为不应该有一刀切的规则禁止对某些群体的模仿。她希望中文世界在幽默方面不要划那么多红线。段子和模仿是测试喜剧演员技巧和社会意识的大挑战。最后,她建议新订阅的粉丝查看她和Jerry的过去视频。

Keywords

💡站立喜剧

站立喜剧是一种喜剧表演形式,喜剧演员站在舞台上面对观众进行表演。这种表演形式需要喜剧演员和观众之间的互动。视频中提到台湾站立喜剧还在发展初期,需要观众的理解和容忍。

💡模仿

喜剧演员通过模仿某些群体的特征来制造笑点。视频中提到,模仿的好坏直接影响到作品的质量,如果模仿生动逼真,更能体现喜剧演员的技艺。

💡轻视

如果喜剧演员的模仿过于肤浅轻佻,很容易给人一种歧视或轻视某些群体的感觉。这也是视频中批评王志安的一个重点。

💡禁忌

有些题材或群体被认为是喜剧表演的禁区或禁忌,比如残疾人。但视频中表示没有绝对的禁忌,关键在于演员的意图和手法。

💡无意歧视

如果刻意避开某些群体,反而会给人一种间接歧视的感觉。喜剧的目的是消除差异,追求平等。

💡暴力

政党和政治人物经常成为喜剧的攻击目标。这在任何民主社会都很常见,体现了人们的批判精神。

💡催泪

王志安在节目中嘲笑律师陈通过残疾催泪。这种揣测并不充分理解陈的背景和经历。

💡低级趣味

王志安的表演给人一种攻击的感觉,目的仅仅是取悦年轻观众,满足他们的低级趣味。

💡技巧

喜剧模仿某些群体需要很高的技巧,必须深入了解他们的特征。视频最后举出正面的例子,说明充分理解是模仿的基础。

💡成熟

美国的喜剧环境已经很成熟,观众也很宽容。这为喜剧的发展提供了空间。相比之下,台湾的环境还不够开放。

Highlights

王志安的模仿太过懒散,没有花时间了解陈为廷的背景和言谈举止

王志安的笑话给人一种攻击的感觉,年轻观众却很喜欢

要正确模仿残障人士需要非常高的技巧,否则很容易产生恶意

美国喜剧界现在已经很成熟,容忍度很高,但也有像Brendan Schaub这样的失败例子

安德鲁·桑蒂诺就是一个积极的例子,他花足够的时间去理解和体会印度文化

Transcripts

(I'll fix the English tomorrow after sleep!) Hello everyone I'm LeLe Farley

The last time I talked about

my thoughts on Wang Chi-An's appearance on Taiwan's Nightly Show

parodying a physically challenged lawyer Chen

but that airing

was surprisingly demonetized again

which is fine

you know I'm not mad

I'm not mad at all

so I thought I would just put out a video

to give a full explanation of

what I thought of Wang Chi-An's joke

As a stand-up comedian

telling jokes is my hobby and my job

So Wang Chi-An's appearance on Taiwan's Late Night

and his blunder

naturally interests me

We've talked about a lot of topics related to

stand-up comedy before

from Will Smith's beating up of the hosts

to Chizi, criticizing the Party

and running to Canada,

also about the roasting of Wang Shi-Jian's

I still firmly believe that

as an audience member

you must support stand-up comedian's

right to attempt

Whether a joke is funny or not,

they all come from the same place

stand-up comedy is not like any other art form-

you can't practise alone in front of the mirror

you have to have an audience

and you have to keep on figuring out and honing your bits based on the feedback you get from the audience

in order to be able to grasp the right balance

with a joke

So an audience's reaction and tolerance

for the art of stand-up comedy

as well as a comedian's methods for breaking through

are both crucial

In turn,

the potential of these comedians to influence

and break through the collective consciousness of a society

comes from this understanding and tolerance given by the audience,

the community,

especially in the early stages (like Taiwan's scene)

But the case of Wang Zhian

is not quite the same as the cases

we've discussed before

Wang Zhian himself is not a comedian

but a reporter

and he himself emphasizes this

on various social media platforms

He constantly reiterates his position as a journalist

And as a journalist

the general public's expectation of you

is that you are objective

serious and factual

Even if you are on the late-night stage

this standard and expectation

will not be lowered by much

Because this identity as a journalist

is a very important part of the viewers'

perception of Wang Zhian

So even if Wang

did make such a joke on a comedy stage, the public still could react poorly

If Wang does make such a joke

the public's acceptance of his jokes

is generally not too high

and as a non-professional of comedy

he doesn't know how many times a stand-up comedian

needs to repeat joke attempts in order to write

and grasp the right degree

In my opinion

he was

completely intoxicated by the

atmosphere of the live show

and eagerly wanted to please the young audience

He wanted to

fit into the environment and thus swung for the fences

But that doesn't mean that

as a journalist

he's disqualified from making jokes.

It doesn't mean that

we can't make jokes about people with disabilities in any way,

or can't impersonate people with disabilities in any way.

I've always believed that there are no taboos.

There's only a difference in intent

It doesn't matter if you're a boy or a girl.

Gay, lesbian, bisexual.

Black, white, Jewish, Chinese, etc.

You're allowed to joke about it. The goal,

In my opinion,

is the embodiment of equality and non-discrimination

If you deliberately avoid a certain group

or even feel that they need your special care

In my personal opinion

it's kind of like indirect discrimination

Then maybe here

there may be people who want to pretend to be an expert, claiming

Wang Chi-Ann didn't follow the "unwritten rules" of stand-up:

that jokes can only punch up but not punch down

I really hate this line

comedy is about breaking down class and difference

and focusing on the theme that

we are all human beings,

instead of defining who is up and who is down

Plus,

who has the right to define who is above whom,

to say that it is punching down,

feels discriminating against the underprivileged

So in that case

what is offensive about the joke made by Wang Chian,

in fact this

was pointed out in the very first sentence of Mr. Chen's own interview

"I don't think he did a good job mimicing me, like I can't move my hands..."

That's right, that's exactly my opinion

so much so, that I wonder if Mr. Chen

had gone to see some stand-up comedy performances when he was a student in

in Boston.

Afterall, Boston

is the place where stand-up comedy stars are produced

That being said

In my opinion

the problem is not that

Wang made fun of the physically challenged

but that his impersonation was not at all decent

Comedians

They often do all sorts of impersonations on stage

A good impersonation

can instantly bring a stand-up comedian and an audience together

and also bring them together

in laughter

And to elicit such a reaction is a test of the comedian's ability

It's a test of a comedian's ability to do a good impersonation

or to back up his argument

In terms of a parody of people who are physically challenged,

I'd like to show you the hottest comedian in the United States today

Shane Gillis

He did a parody of his uncle who has Down Syndrome in one of his specials

It's now on the internet in the U.S.

and a huge hit

You'd look across the table

and you'd see him sneaking grilled cheese

"Uncle, where did you get that cheese? "

Make your own comparisons

When parodying people with disabilities

as viewers we can feel

Shane Gillis' parody of his uncle who has Down Syndrome

is done from a place of respect

It's not even a call for sympathy and attention

Instead, it removes the filter of sadness

It allows us

to look at

and understand these groups of people from a completely different angle

It's very, very hard to make a good joke about such a sensitive topic

When Shane Gillis is telling a joke like this

he first lays out the argument

and then he starts a series of act outs,

making a joke about his uncle sneaking

grilled cheese sandwiches

His mimicry

is the punchline to the whole joke

and the most important cornerstone

Through his mimicry

you get the sense that

he's someone who really cares

and understands the group

In this scenario,

the more specific and skilled the mimicry, the close it is to art

Whereas the more flippant,

the closer you come to maliciousness

and Wang Chi-on's offense is that his impersonation

was just flat-out lazy

Secondly, he only saw Chen's physical disability

without understanding his personal background

and his way of speaking,

concluding that Chen was just a tool to stir up emotion

and set a mood

Thus his jokes

gave off a feeling of attack...

Yet the audience seemed to like it

I tried to understand their mindset as well...

Most of them are young people,

and in a democratic society

young people look at the party in power

like teenagers in the rebellious stage

look at their parents

They're going to be critical of the party in power

suspicious and even dismissive...

and you know that's a good thing

that's understandable

So

once someone,

an foreigner,

criticizes the ruling party

the youth will naturally find it very enjoyable

And this is not limited to Taiwan

The same phenomenon is also found in the United States

Look at those political satirical news programs

most of those hosts are from abroad

their voices are very valuable.

I still think that Wang

has the right to make jokes and impersonate anyone

and also has the right to ridicule the DPP

In any democratic country

the ruling party

is the target of the fiercest attacks and criticism.

But

I also think that Wang's joke

was low hanging fruit

It was lazy

So do you think that

as long as Wang's impersonation is very good

it's OK to joke about physically challenged people

In the arena of comedy

the better your impersonation,

the closer you come to art;

the more frivolous your impersonation

the closer you come to maliciousness

Comedy in the United States has evolved over the years

The audience is now very mature

The comedy environment is also very mature and tolerant

But there are comedians

who have been mocked for their poor mimicry

One such man is Brendan Shcaub

I used to think

Giraffe is pronounced Diraffe

I thought it was the D's

He used to be a professional fighter, now a "comedian"

Brendan tells a joke in one of his specials

about a certain fight

where he got hit in the head and started bleeding.

There was a doctor who came up to check out his injuries

Brendan's imitation here

of a Chinese accent

feels more based off a stereotype

It doesn't feel funny,

it feels more like discrimination

And what really makes Brendan's a textbook case

of crappy comedy

is his distortion and deliberate fabrication of reality

The Chinese-American doctor Brendan mentions

is Dr. Greg Hsu

He's the UFC's dedicated doctor

Let's hear what his English is really like...

Wait a minute

His English is native

He's a colonel in the U.S. Air Force

Brendon's parody is just as factually incorrect as Wang's

as he didn't take the time to understand

the person they were joking about

Wang didn't take the time to get to know

Mr. Chen and his experience

just as Brendan Schaub

didn't take the time to get to know

the Chinese doctor mentioned

they are both just trying to make a cheap joke

in exchange for a more

cheap laugh

So let's look at a positive example

I've mentioned

Canadian Comedian Russel Peters before,

so this time

I'm going to introduce you to an American stand-up comedian of Irish descent

Andrew Santino

Hear that?

He's a professional

No surprise he grew up with Indian neighbours

Behind such performances

is the dedication of enough time and effort

to understand and feel that culture

This produces a superior and more hilarious piece of work

In conclusion, I would like to say that

there's not a one-size-fits-all rule

that says we can't make jokes about certain groups

or mimic them

That's a very lazy mode of thinking

I would also like to see the Chinese-speaking world

not draw so many lines with humor,

you can't make one forbidden zone after another

Those are cages that prohibit thinking and development

Jokes and parodies are skilled work

Whether it's mastering the right degeree or the angle of entry,

it's all a great test of a comedian's skills

It's also a great challenge to a society's consciousness

And before this video ends

I'd like to suggest that those who have only subbed recently

to take a look at this video

It's all about my past with Jerry

In the future I'm gonna make another video to talk about

his current situation

I'm Lele Farley

PEACE!