2025 Harley Davidson Model Predictions
Summary
TLDRIn this video, the host speculates on Harley-Davidson's future motorcycle lineup, focusing on potential changes to the Softail series and touring models. With the 40th anniversary of the Softail and a possible new gauge system, the host predicts updates to modernize the line. Discussions include the possibility of a facelift for the Limited and Road Glide Limited, and the potential introduction of a street-focused Pan America model. The host also considers which models might be discontinued due to slow sales and the impact of the touring bike price drop.
Takeaways
- 🕒 The video discusses the possibility of changes in Harley-Davidson motorcycle models, particularly around the midyear and end of the year.
- 🎨 Harley-Davidson is celebrating the 40th anniversary of the Softail, hinting at a potential special edition or changes to this model line.
- 📉 The Softail lineup is perceived as stale, with the Low Rider S experiencing a slowdown in sales, possibly due to more competitively priced Touring models.
- 🛠️ The presenter suggests that a new gauge system, similar to the Sportster S, could modernize and enhance the Softail lineup.
- 💸 There's skepticism about a price drop for Softail models, but a slight reduction could make them more appealing, especially in comparison to Touring bikes.
- 🛣️ The Road Glide and Street Glide models might receive a facelift rather than being discontinued, despite speculation about their future.
- 🏍️ The Tri Glide and RG3 models are expected to get new fairings, aligning with the modernization of Harley-Davidson's motorcycle designs.
- 📉 Certain models like the Softail Standard and Road King Special are predicted to be discontinued due to slow sales and close competition from other models.
- 🏁 There's a potential for a new Pan America 'Street' model, influenced by the customization trends and performance seen in the Hooligan class racing.
- 🔮 The video concludes with speculation on future models, including a possible Street-based Pan America, based on current trends and historical patterns of model development at Harley-Davidson.
Q & A
What is the significance of December for Harley-Davidson models?
-December is significant because it's when carryover models are revealed, providing clues about which bikes will not receive changes other than color updates.
Why might Harley-Davidson not release a midyear bike this year?
-The speaker speculates that the absence of a midyear bike could be due to the company's strategy to streamline offerings under the Hardwire program initiated by the CEO.
How does the Softail lineup's staleness affect sales?
-The Softail lineup has become stale, leading to decreased sales, especially with the Touring bike prices coming down, offering a closer price point and perceived better value.
What is the author's opinion on the future of the Softail lineup?
-The author is skeptical about a brand new Softail model but suggests that a new gauge system, similar to the Sportster S, could add excitement and modernize the lineup.
Why might a price drop for Softail models be unlikely?
-A price drop is considered unlikely due to the close pricing to the Touring models, which offer more features and are perceived as better value.
What changes does the speaker predict for the Limited and Road Glide Limited models?
-The speaker predicts a facelift for these models, including the possibility of new fairings, rather than them being discontinued or replaced by customizable versions of the Street Glide or Road Glide.
Why does the speaker think the Tri Glide and RG3 models will receive new fairings?
-The speaker believes these models will get updated fairings to modernize their look and because Harley-Davidson is unlikely to continue producing the Rushmore fairing for anything other than parts.
Which models does the speaker think might be discontinued?
-The speaker thinks the Softail Standard and Road King Special might be discontinued due to their close pricing to other models with more features and slower sales.
What is the significance of the St models for Harley-Davidson?
-The St models were introduced as a performance bagger option, born from King of the Bagger race bikes, offering a taller sit and bigger engine.
Why does the speaker believe a street-based Pan America model might be introduced?
-The speaker notes a trend of Pan America customization towards street biking, Harley-Davidson's investment in the model, and the company's history of creating models based on customer modifications.
What does the speaker think about the future of CVO St models?
-The speaker is unsure if CVO St models will continue, but they believe they might stick around for at least another year due to Harley-Davidson's investment in the model.
Outlines
🏍️ Speculations on Harley-Davidson's Midyear Bike Release
The speaker begins by expressing their anticipation for Harley-Davidson's potential midyear bike release, despite it being early for such discussions. They note the absence of a carryover model by December, which traditionally signals unchanged models aside from color. The speaker also points out the lack of a midyear bike announcement in September, which is unusual. They speculate on the possibility of a special Softail model due to the 40th anniversary of the Softail and discuss the Softail lineup's stagnation. The speaker, a fan of the Low Rider ST, observes a slowdown in sales, attributing it to the competitive pricing of Touring bikes. They suggest that a new gauge system, similar to the Sportster S, could revitalize the Softail lineup by adding modern features like built-in navigation and ride modes. The speaker is skeptical about a price drop but believes a slight reduction could boost sales, especially for models like the Low Rider ST, which is close in price to Touring bikes.
🛠️ Predicting Changes to Harley-Davidson's Touring Lineup
The speaker continues by discussing potential updates to Harley-Davidson's Touring lineup, specifically the Limited and Road Glide Limited models. They address rumors of these models being discontinued in favor of customizable options from base models like the Street Glide and Road Glide. The speaker doubts this due to the current engine guards not being compatible with the Limited's features. They predict a facelift for these models instead, using up the last of the Rushmore-style fairings. The speaker also speculates on the possibility of the Tri Glide and RG3 models receiving new fairings, modernizing their look. They express their preference for the Batwing fairing and predict that it, combined with integrated turn signals, would appeal to many customers. The speaker then discusses bikes they believe might be discontinued, such as the Softail Standard and Road King Special, due to their proximity in price to more feature-rich models and a shift in customer preferences.
🏁 The Future of Harley-Davidson's Performance and CVO Models
In the final paragraph, the speaker delves into the future of Harley-Davidson's performance-oriented models, particularly the ST models like the Road Glide ST and Street Glide ST. They question the持续性 of these models given the decline in sales and the fact that they are now only available as CVO models. The speaker suggests that Harley-Davidson might continue to produce the CVO ST for another year due to the significant investment in its development. They also touch upon the potential for a new Street-focused Pan America model, drawing parallels between the customization trends they've observed in the Pan America community and Harley-Davidson's history of releasing models that align with popular aftermarket modifications. The speaker concludes by acknowledging the unpredictability of Harley-Davidson's future releases and invites viewers to share their thoughts on the matter.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Softail
💡Carryover models
💡Midyear bike
💡Hardwire program
💡Gauge system
💡Rushmore style fairings
💡Tri Glide
💡Street Glide
💡Bagger race
💡Pan America
Highlights
Discussion on the possibility of a new Harley-Davidson model being released in December, based on carryover models.
Speculation about the absence of a midyear bike release and its potential impact on the market.
CEO's initiative to streamline Harley-Davidson's product offerings.
Celebration of the 40th year of Softail production and its significance.
Analysis of the Softail lineup's current market staleness and sales trends.
Comparison of the Low Rider ST's initial success with its current sales performance.
Impact of Touring bike price reductions on Softail sales.
Skepticism about the introduction of a new Softail model and suggestions for improvements.
Proposal for a new gauge system similar to the Sportster S to modernize the Softail lineup.
Discussion on the potential for a price drop for Softail models to boost sales.
Concerns about the aging Low Rider S model and the need for innovation.
Speculation on the future of the Limited and Road Glide Limited models.
Opinion on the possibility of the Limited models being customizable through dealerships.
Prediction of a facelift for the Limited models and the potential for new fairing styles.
Belief in the modernization of the Tri Glide and RG3 models with updated fairings.
Prediction that the Softail Standard may be discontinued due to its proximity in price to the Street Bob.
Concerns about the Road King Special's sales and its potential discontinuation.
Discussion on the possibility of reintroducing the Road King Standard.
Analysis of the sales performance of the CVO Rad Glide ST and its potential future.
Speculation on the potential development of a street-based Pan America model.
Observation of the trend in customizing Pan America models for street use.
Prediction of a potential Pan America ST model for the 2025 model year.
Mention of the potential leak of information about upcoming models and the importance of staying tuned for more updates.
Transcripts
this is easily my wildest prediction to
date but stick around to the end of the
video and I think you'll see that I'm
not as crazy as I'm going to sound at
first now 3 and 1/2 months may seem a
little bit premature to start having
this conversation but hear me out
December that's when we get our
carryover models which gives us a big
clue on the bikes that are not getting a
change other than the color now another
thing that I found strange was it's the
middle of September at the time of
putting out this video and we still
don't have a midyear bike now are we
even going to get one this year the very
popular CEO of Harley-Davidson has
started this hardwire program to dwindle
down the offerings from Harley-Davidson
and kind of refine them streamline
everything so do we even get a midyear
bike and if we do does Harley just kind
of ride it in so let's start with the
soft tales and I want to start there
because Harley Davidson is celebrating
their 40th year of the soft tail being
in production so it's possible that the
midyear bike will be some kind of
special soft tail but even if it's not I
think that we can all agree the Softtail
lineup has gotten a bit stale now I am a
big big fan of the low rider St and
still am but let's be honest there was a
lot of Buzz around that bike when it
came out sales did really good in the
beginning uh you go to your local Harley
dealership and they are all over the
sales floor so that tell tells you that
sales on those things have slowed down
and I think one thing that csed that is
the Touring bike prices coming down kind
of bridge that Gap where they're a lot
closer in price than they were
previously for a little bit more money
you get something on the touring chassis
that people perceive as a better value I
would have to agree I don't necessarily
care about having the music in the
fairing but it is a really nice
comfortable platform that kind of does
it all now other than a brand new model
which I'm just very skeptical that we're
going to see don't get me wrong I would
love to see a brand new soft tail I'm
just skeptical that that happens other
than that what can Harley-Davidson do to
spice things up for the soft tailes now
one thing that I've been calling for for
a while now is a new gauge system
something like on the Sportster s and I
know a lot of the older crowd doesn't
like that they still want the analog
Speedo and RPM gauge but I think moving
into the future all the other
manufacturers are already doing this
Harley-Davidson is kind of late to the
dam
which is standard practice for
Harley-Davidson now in their defense
usually when they bring something they
do get it right in in these regards if
you put that Sportster s gauge on the
soft tails now you have built-in
navigation you have all these other
features you could also integrate ride
modes with that those are two features I
think would be a huge benefit to the
soft tael lineup to kind of wake those
up and add some excitement to that line
now the other question is could we see a
price drop like we did with the touring
bikes I'm kind of skeptical of that but
as I said with like the low rider St
it's just so close to that touring bike
money I think if they brought it down
just a little bit it would be appealing
again let's say 20 grand instead of the
I think it's $22
$23,000 I think that 20 grand price
point but then you have to take the low
rider s which I'll be honest big fan of
that bike as well it's very long in the
tooth it's time to shake things up and
do something different on that
motorcycle so let's move on to our
limiteds you have the limited and you
have the Road Glide limited now I've
seen a lot of videos recently with
people speculating that those bikes were
going to go away completely and then you
would just buy a Street Glide or a Road
Glide and you would build that into your
limited I'm a little unsure of that just
because of right now as it stands with
the current engine guards on the touring
bikes you can't just Mount lowers onto
that bike so yeah you can get the King
tour pack put the lights and it do all
the stuff and you are at like a $6,500
difference if you want a limited versus
if you want a street or Rog Glide so I
do think you could do it financially and
make it make sense uh I think that would
be a dealership thing obviously I think
you would handle all that at the dealer
and maybe Harley is looking to do that I
for one just don't see it happening that
way I think what we're going to get is a
facelift on those bikes I think
Harley-Davidson was probably a using up
the last of their inventory for those
Rushmore style fairings and I think they
want to give their older customers a
chance if you want to buy a brand new
limited you kind of see the writings on
the wall they're probably going to
change to the new body style if you're
not interested in that well here's a
brand new limited for you to go ahead
and ride out in your golden years which
also raises another good question are
the triglide and RG3 models going to get
the new fairing I would have to say so I
can't see Harley wanting to keep
producing that Rushmore fairing other
than just for parts for damages Etc to
the Rushmore bikes so I do believe those
bikes will get the updated Fairing and I
think they' look good I think that will
really modernize those strikes and make
them look cool especially the triglide
I'm a big fan I'm holding out with the
Batwing I'm a Batwing kind of guy so I
think that batwing with those integrated
turn signals on a Tri Glide will speak
to a lot of people and I think those
will do well now as for bikes that I
think are going away I said last year I
thought the softel standard was gone I
think a lot of other people were
predicting that I'm going to go with
that again this year I just feel like
it's too close in price to the street
bob and with the street bob you get two
up from the factory you get a little bit
more displacement in your engine and a
slightly better looking bike for not
that much more money the Softtail
standard is also the last Milwaukee 8
that's available in 7 cubic inch so if
Harley does away with that they can do
away with that issue as well now another
bike that I hate to put on this list is
the road king special so we lost the
road king standard already and a lot of
people were upset by that rightfully so
the road king special just doesn't have
that same iconic Harley-Davidson look
that same classic styling uh it comes
all blacked out and stuff I don't think
that's what the road king customers want
and sales prove that I still love that
bike but I see them in dealerships they
are very very slow movers once again
you're really close to Street Glide Road
Glide money for a little bit more you
get the fairing you get the big
infotainment screen you get the speakers
you get all this other stuff and it's
just not that classic styling that a lot
of the Harley guys are after so I hate
to say it but I think the road king
special could be on the chopping block
now do they regroup and bring the road
king standard back I would love to see
it I'm just I'm skeptical that that
happens and now for those that have
stuck with me we're going down a very
very very deep Rabbit Hole so let's
start with the rad Glide and Street
Glide St models which we technically
don't have anymore so you do have a
Touring bike that's an st but it's a CVO
rad Glide St it's not just a regular St
and also carries that CVO badge on it so
as We Know from Harley-Davidson they
like to switch up their cvos so if next
year they don't do a CVO St model do we
have an st at all now I think it's very
likely that the CVO St could stick
around for at least another year it's an
amazing bike I've done a lot of videos
on it I just did one with a 135 in it
that thing is amazing but one thing I've
noticed and again sales sales are just
down period but one thing I've noticed
is when the bikes used to come in were
sold before they got to the dealership
now if you check people's websites you
call around you stop by dealership it's
fairly likely that you'll see one on the
sales floor which means they were hot
now they're kind of fading off so does
Harley take note of that and get rid of
that bike I doubt it and I say that
because I feel like they they're a
little too invested in that bike to just
go ahead and ax it after one more year I
think we'll get it for a second year and
I believe that will be the only
model in the touring lineup just like it
was this year now let's go just a little
bit further down that rabbit hole so why
did Harley-Davidson make the St models
those bikes were born of King of the
bagger race bikes so this was supposed
to be kind of a a good starting point if
you will if if you're interested in a
performance bagger this is the one to go
with sits up a little bit taller had the
bigger engine when it came out didn't
have the stretch bags had a little bit
smaller Fender in my opinion was the
best looking Touring bike when it came
out but here's something I think not
enough people are talking about the
bagger class is not the only class for
Harley-Davidson racing they also have a
hooligan class and what do all of the
Harley-Davidson teams run in the
hooligan class they run the Pan America
and I must say those bikes look amazing
and from what I've heard they perform
really really really well to the point
where some of the other teams were
boycotting and wanting rules changed and
uh weight things in place just to kind
of even the field back up when the pan
Amica first started racing so a lot of
you probably already see where I'm going
with this but for those that don't let's
look at this Harley-Davidson usually
puts out a bike they wait you know
roughly 2 to 5 years to kind of see what
people are doing with it and then all of
a sudden we get a model that kind of
matches what everybody else has been
doing to their bike already now if
you're like me and you're scrolling
Instagram nonstop all day long you'll
notice a trend with the panamas out
there all the panamas that I'm seeing
out in the wild that are getting some
serious money put into them aren't to
turn them into more Adventure bikes
they're turning them into street bikes
uh going as far as as putting slicks on
these things making the front ends look
a little ier making custom tail sections
there is a lot of really cool stuff
going on in the pan Amica space and
you'll also notice Harley-Davidson puts
those out anytime those are shared
they'll reshare them they'll put them
out they'll say hey look at this bike we
developed look at what it's turned into
isn't this cool now this year we did get
a Harley-Davidson CVO pan Amica so that
tells us Harley-Davidson is down to
experiment and kind of put a little bit
into the Panama America obviously tons
of R&D money have already put into this
bike when it first came out in 2021 it
was the bestselling adventure bike from
what I can recall and I think sales are
probably about half of what they were in
2021 for the paname so they've got to do
something to make this bike more
appealing so for those of you that still
haven't figured it out I think we are
going to see a pan Amer St now I'm not
sure if that's what it'll be called but
would imagine it has to be much more of
a street based paname that's what people
are doing with these bikes yeah there's
a few that are still riding them Offroad
whatever in my personal opinion as a
Harley guy there are much better bikes
for doing that in my personal experience
the pan Amica was much more fun onroad
hitting curves and stuff than it was
off-road yeah it's cool to take a Harley
off-road but let's be honest that's kind
of not their deal when the pan Amica
came out they tried to say hey we were
doing this back in the early days well
not really it's just the roads were
craping people were taking their Harley
you know in some gnarly places cuz
that's the only bikes that were
available to do it on and then as other
better options came out they just moved
to those uh but I digress
Harley-Davidson panamas are better on
the road I'll die on that Hill I think
Harley-Davidson knows that they've seen
what everybody's doing so I think we get
some kind of Street paname for the 2025
model year now we know how these things
go things tend to leak um other things
start to happen that make sense
sometimes Harley messes up on their
parts an accessory thing and puts model
names that don't technically exist in
the world yet and we get some more
information just like we did with the
paname 975 that we still have yet to see
I'm not going to talk on that because
I'm I have no clue I'm as clueless as
you you guys let me know what you think
on that bike if we'll ever see that one
all that to say I'm sure this will not
be the last 2025 video I put out pre
2025 so like the video If you enjoyed it
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