When Ben Shapiro Got HUMBLED on Jesus
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the complex relationship between Judaism and Christianity, focusing on the figure of Jesus Christ. It highlights the debate surrounding Jesus' divinity, his fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, and the theological differences between the two faiths. The conversation touches on Jesus' teachings, his role as the Messiah, and the Jewish perspective on his life and actions. It emphasizes the significance of Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection in Christian belief, and the ongoing theological and interpretive disagreements between Jews and Christians.
Takeaways
- 🤔 The discussion revolves around the complex relationship between Judaism and Christianity, focusing on the figure of Jesus and how he is perceived differently within each faith.
- 📜 Jesus is seen by Christians as the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, particularly in Isaiah 53, which is considered a pivotal point in understanding his role as the Messiah.
- 🕌 Jewish law and the teachings of Jesus are compared, with Christians arguing that Jesus elevated the teachings of the rabbis and focused on the spiritual essence of the law over legalistic adherence.
- 🚫 Jews view Jesus as a teacher who crossed a line by claiming divinity, which was seen as either a sign of being the Messiah or as blasphemy, leading to the decision to crucify him.
- 📖 The debate includes discussions on whether Jesus fulfilled Messianic prophecies, such as the building of the Third Temple, which some argue will occur during his second coming.
- 🧐 Jews argue that Jesus did not meet the personal qualifications to be the Messiah, as they believe he contradicted the Torah, particularly in regards to the Sabbath.
- 👤 The issue of Jesus' lineage to David is debated, with Christians pointing to genealogies through Joseph and the concept of adoption, while Jews question the biological aspect.
- 🗣️ Misinterpretations and translations of biblical verses are discussed, with Jews and Christians having differing views on the prophecies related to Jesus' virgin birth and crucifixion.
- 🙏 The underlying theological difference between Judaism and Christianity is highlighted, with Judaism not believing in the need for a personal savior and Christianity emphasizing the necessity of Jesus as the savior from sin.
- 🌍 The script concludes with a call for prayer for Jews who do not recognize Jesus as their savior, hoping for their spiritual enlightenment and communion with Jesus.
Q & A
What was the main point of contention between Ben Shapiro and Pastor John MacArthur regarding Jesus?
-The main point of contention was about Jesus' understanding and fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies and laws. MacArthur argued that Jesus was not just a good Jewish teacher but the Messiah, while Shapiro seemed to struggle with accepting Jesus' claim as divine.
How does the speaker describe Jesus' approach to the Old Testament laws?
-The speaker describes Jesus' approach as elevating the teachings of the rabbis, focusing on the heart and soul behind the law, rather than just the practical application. Jesus emphasized the spiritual significance and the true meaning behind the laws.
What is the significance of the passage in Isaiah 53 according to the speaker?
-The passage in Isaiah 53 is significant because it is seen as a direct prediction of Jesus' coming and his role as the suffering servant. It is considered a critical point in understanding Jesus as the Messiah and the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies.
What is the speaker's view on the concept of sacrifices in Judaism and Christianity?
-The speaker views the sacrifices in Judaism as a continuous and repetitive process that could not fully atone for sin, whereas Jesus' sacrifice is seen as the final and complete atonement for the sins of all people throughout history.
How does the speaker address the Jewish belief that Jesus did not fulfill the Messianic prophecies?
-The speaker acknowledges that Jews believe Jesus did not fulfill certain prophecies, such as the building of the Third Temple, but counters by suggesting that some prophecies may be fulfilled during Jesus' second coming, and that others may have been misunderstood or mistranslated.
What is the speaker's perspective on the differences between Judaism and Christianity in terms of morality and God?
-The speaker believes that there is no moral difference between Judaism and Christianity and that both religions worship the same God, the one true Creator God. The distinction lies in how each religion views and treats Jesus Christ.
Why does the speaker argue that Jesus is the 'purest Jew'?
-The speaker argues that Jesus is the 'purest Jew' because he understood and elevated the law to the heart and soul, focusing on the spiritual essence of the commandments rather than just the literal observance.
What is the speaker's stance on the idea that Jesus was a product of human invention?
-The speaker strongly disagrees with the idea that Jesus was a product of human invention, citing the unique and profound nature of his teachings and the testimony of people in his time as evidence of his divine nature.
What does the speaker suggest about the Jewish understanding of the Mosaic Covenant?
-The speaker suggests that the Jews, particularly the Pharisees and Sadducees, had twisted the Mosaic Covenant into legalism, and that Jesus came to restore the true understanding and spirit of the law.
How does the speaker address the Jewish objection to Jesus' lineage and qualifications as the Messiah?
-The speaker addresses this by referring to the genealogies in the gospels that trace Joseph's lineage back to David, and argues that adoption into the Davidic bloodline is sufficient. They also suggest that Jesus' virgin birth through Mary technically fulfills the requirement of being a descendant of David.
What is the speaker's view on the Jewish belief that they do not need a personal savior?
-The speaker respectfully disagrees, asserting that all humans are born into a fallen state and in need of a savior. They believe that Jesus is the ultimate savior who can cover all sins and offer everlasting life.
What does the speaker suggest as the underlying issue between Jews and Christians in their understanding of Jesus?
-The speaker suggests that the underlying issue is a deeper spiritual matter, where Jews are seen as having a spiritual blindness that prevents them from recognizing Jesus as the Messiah and savior, as mentioned in the New Testament book of Romans.
Outlines
🤔 Debating Jesus's Divinity and Its Implications
This section presents a discussion between Ben Shapiro and Pastor John MacArthur, focusing on the controversial nature of Jesus's claims to divinity. It portrays Shapiro's perspective of Jesus as a significant Jewish teacher whose teachings align closely with older Jewish prophets, while questioning the uniqueness of his message. MacArthur counters by emphasizing Jesus's unparalleled claims, arguing that Jesus's assertion of being one with God and the predictions of his coming in Isaiah 53 force a decision between seeing him as the Messiah or a blasphemer. The segment highlights the clash between traditional Jewish interpretations of messianic prophecies and Christian beliefs, with MacArthur asserting Jesus's fulfillment of these prophecies and his role as a bridge between God's justice and mercy.
📜 The Final Sacrifice: Understanding Jesus's Crucifixion
This paragraph delves into the theological significance of Jesus's crucifixion from a Christian perspective, as explained by Pastor John MacArthur. It begins with the limitations of the Old Testament sacrificial system, highlighting its inability to permanently atone for sin, and contrasts this with the singular, sufficient sacrifice of Jesus. MacArthur interprets the tearing of the temple veil at Jesus's death as a divine statement of a new, open path to God, marking the end of the need for further sacrifices. The discussion extends to the resurrection as a validation of Jesus's sacrifice and explores the implications of Jesus bearing the sins of all believers. The narrative is framed within the broader context of biblical prophecy, particularly Isaiah 53, and suggests a future recognition of Jesus as the Messiah by Jewish believers.
🤝 Differences and Debates: Jesus in Judaism and Christianity
The final section explores the nuanced disagreements between Jewish and Christian interpretations of messianic prophecies and Jesus's qualifications as the Messiah. It addresses several Jewish objections to recognizing Jesus as the Messiah, such as alleged contradictions with the Torah, issues with his genealogy linking him to David, and interpretations of prophecies viewed as unfulfilled by Jesus's life and actions. Additionally, it touches on the fundamental theological divergence regarding the necessity of a personal savior, with Judaism not embracing the concept of original sin requiring salvation through Jesus. The segment emphasizes ongoing debates over scripture interpretations, the role of Jesus as a unifying figure for humanity's sins, and the importance of faith in his divinity for salvation. It concludes with a call to prayer for Jewish recognition of Jesus as the Messiah, reflecting on the New Testament's assertion of a spiritual blindness within Judaism.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Messiah
💡Blasphemy
💡Old Testament
💡Sabbath
💡Prophecy
💡Divinity of Jesus
💡Sermon on the Mount
💡Atonement
💡Virgin Birth
💡Genealogies
💡Salvation
Highlights
The discussion revolves around the complex relationship between Judaism and Christianity, focusing on the figure of Jesus and how he is perceived differently within these two religious traditions.
Jesus is seen by some as crossing a line that distinguishes him from being just a noble Jewish teacher, leading to the view that he either is the Messiah or a blasphemer.
Pastor John MacArthur is mentioned as correcting Ben Shapiro's misunderstandings about Jesus, emphasizing the importance of the Old Testament prophecies in Isaiah 53.
The argument is made that Jesus did not contradict the Old Testament but rather elevated its teachings, focusing on the heart and soul of the law.
Jesus is described as the purest Jew, understanding the elevation of the law to the heart and soul, which is a unique interpretation of his teachings within the context of Judaism.
The claim that Jesus claimed to be God and made divine statements such as creating the universe, which sets him apart from other good teachers and prophets.
The distinction between Judaism and Christianity is said to lie in what is done with Jesus Christ, highlighting the theological divide between the two religions.
The sacrificial system of the Old Testament is discussed, with the argument that Jesus's death and resurrection fulfilled the need for further sacrifices, marking a significant shift in Christian belief.
The theological concept of Jesus bearing the sins of all believers throughout history is explored, emphasizing the Christian belief in the atonement made through his sacrifice.
The debate over the fulfillment of Messianic prophecies, particularly regarding the construction of the Third Temple of Israel, is highlighted as a point of contention between Jews and Christians.
The discussion addresses the Jewish belief that Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications to be the Messiah, including his supposed contradictions of the Torah.
The genealogical debate surrounding Jesus's lineage to David is mentioned, with Christians arguing for the validity of his descent through adoption and Jewish objections to this claim.
The interpretation of biblical verses regarding Jesus, such as his birth from a virgin and his crucifixion, is discussed as a point of disagreement between Jews and Christians.
The fundamental difference between Judaism and Christianity is emphasized, with Judaism not believing in the need for a personal savior and Christianity centering on Jesus as the savior of all humanity.
The concept of spiritual blindness in relation to the acceptance of Jesus among Jews is explored, citing the New Testament book of Romans.
The call to prayer for Jews and all people in Israel is made, emphasizing the desire for them to come into communion with Jesus and receive everlasting life.
The video concludes with a recommendation for viewers to learn more about the evidence for God and a wish for a happy New Year.
Transcripts
you cannot come to Jesus and just
patronize him as a noble good Jewish
teacher because he crossed a line he
crossed a severe line and the Jews saw
that either he's the Messiah or he is a
blasphemer and he needs to be put to
death and those are really the choices
you have so you're about to witness a
rare moment where Ben Shapiro he gets
humbled on his own show the Ben Shapiro
show when Pastor John MacArthur comes on
here and completely corrects him on his
misunderstandings of Jesus and even goes
on to show him the Old Testament
prophecies in Isaiah 53 that directly
show the prediction of Jesus's coming it
gets very interesting here I'm going to
let this one play out and then I'm going
to give my thoughts in the back end
let's get into it when I read the New
Testament myself and I obviously not a
believer in the Divinity of Jesus but
when I see what Jesus actually has to
say about the Old Testament it seems to
me very similar to the stuff that
Zechariah is saying or that Jeremiah is
saying right Jeremiah says that the the
sacrifices themselves are based
basically of no use unless there's
actual meaning behind the sacrifices God
wasn't there because he likes the
barbecue right it actually has to have
some meaning and when Jesus comes along
and he says you're focusing in on all
the details of the Sabbath without
actually recognizing the rationale for
the Sabbath and then he exaggerates it
beyond the it's interesting Ling God
with all your heart soul mind and
strength right exactly and then he even
to make a point exaggerates it beyond
the scope of what Jewish law would
permit so for example when he says
you're going to leave a guy to diey in a
ditch on the Sabbath that's against
Jewish law you can't do that you have to
violate the Sabbath in order to Save a
Life this is like Basic Black letter
Jewish law but he's making a point which
is you guys are ignoring what's
important in order to focus in on the
mundane aspect of of practice like that
is that's not unique to Jesus in other
words there's there's a long prophetic
tradition of people saying exactly that
and in the modern Jewish world it's
called muser it's basically just telling
people what they should understand about
the values beyond the Beyond the Black
letter law and this is why I think it's
it's fascinating to me when I talk with
people who are real Biblical scholars in
the from the Christian side
that all the a lot not I won't say all a
lot of the areas where Christian
Scholars think that Christianity has
departed dramatically from Judaism I
think are not really dramatic departures
they seem to be reflections of Judaism
from a slightly different angle even so
far as a lot of the stuff in the Sermon
on the Mount about you know love when
when it says that you're supposed to uh
love thy brother as thyself and and
you're supposed to um and you're
supposed to uh treat your brother as you
would wish to be treated and all all
this I mean
that's that's present in the Old
Testament too no I I think what Jesus
did in The Sermon on the Mount was
Elevate the teaching of the rabbis
elevated he went above them yep he he
said um well you you've been told you
shouldn't commit adultery I'm telling
you if you look at a woman to lust after
her you've committed adultery in your
heart he got to the heart of the law uh
they were content with the the practical
application of the law he was not
content with that so I I I would say
that Jesus was the purest Jew that ever
lived because he understood the the the
elevation of the law to the heart and
the Soul um it would be a it would be a
monstrous responsibility for some
committee to have invented
Jesus uh you know when you hear even the
people in his time saying never a man
spoke like this man that he is a person
that doesn't seem to have been a product
of human invention
and you could say well Jesus is a good
teacher but good teachers don't claim to
be God they don't say I and God are one
they don't say I created the universe
that that's not a good teacher that's
somebody who's crazy as a lunatic or
somebody who's trying to pull off a huge
deception so you you you cannot come to
Jesus and just patronize him as a noble
good Jewish teacher because he crossed a
line he crossed a severe line and the
Jews saw that either he's the Messiah or
he is a blasphemer and he needs to be
put to death and those are really the
choices you have so when you ask me to
show the the variation between Judaism
and Christianity morally no there's none
and in terms of God the same we don't
have the same God as Muslims Allah is
not the same God as Jehovah we don't
have the same Gods as any other false
religion but we have the same God as
Jews and Christians he is the one true
Creator God the one true Living God he
has a seity that is he is eternal by his
own nature he is uncreated the uncreated
one we believe he is he is more than one
person in one God that's why Genesis
says let us make man in our own image
and relationship comes from a God who
has relationship within himself but the
distinction between Christianity and
Judaism is what we do with Jesus
Christ um the writer of Hebrew Hebrews
says if a sacrifice had been enough to
atone for sin they would have stopped
making them but they never stopped
morning and evening morning and evening
morning and evening morning and evening
you know basically a priest was a
butcher he had blood up to his waist I
mean he was a butcher he had blood up to
his waist and the frustration of it even
on yam Kapur the day of atonement all
the blood letting uh and year after year
after year after year this goes on this
goes on it goes on you have this most
amazing thing you come to the death of
Jesus Christ and at the death of Christ
the veil in the temple is rent from top
to bottom the holy of holies is thrown
open wow that's a statement from God
because it couldn't have been ripped by
men from the top down the way to God is
open there's no more barriers because a
a suitable sacrifice has been found this
is the Lamb of God and amazingly soon
after that the whole sacrificial system
ends because that's the final sacrifice
and God God validates that Sacrifice by
raising him from the dead the
resurrection is a provable historical
fact so I think that's the issue um it's
what do you do with Jesus he was God's
lamb uh a spotless lamb without blemish
God put on him the sins of us all this
is a stunning theological truth because
all the people who will ever believe
through human history their sins are
covered by Christ even those who
believed going back to Adam all of them
had to have a sacrifice that paid the
price for their sins whether it happened
before Christ their belief or after
Christ Christ is the focal point so he
bears in his body all the sins of all
who would ever believe through human
history this is a stunning thing to
think about um God putting all the sin
and all the punishment on him people say
what how could one person bear that um
the answer is because he's he's he's
he's a cosmic person he's he's an
eternal being he's he's vast Beyond us
with a capacity to take that punishment
so he gathers up all the punishment for
all the sins of all the people because
sin must be punished God is Holy and uh
that frees God satisfying his Justice to
offer Grace to all who believe in him um
I think that the Jewish Believers in the
Old Testament who are True Believers in
God and who did repent were waiting for
that sacrifice knowing that no animal
sacrifice ever did it because they had
to go back and make another one and
another one and another one when is the
one sacrifice going to come and that's
why that Isaiah 53 chapter is so
critical because that's the focal point
that's the focal point of Isaiah by the
way anyway Isaiah interesting book 66
chapters like the Bible the first
40 um are judgment like kind of like the
Old Testament
first 39 like the Old Testament and the
27 New Testament are about salvation the
27 chapters about salvation the first
nine are the the salvation of Israel
from Nations around it the back nine are
the salvation of the planet in the new
Heaven and the new Earth and the middle
nine are the salvation of people
personally and individually and in the
middle of the middle nine you have
Isaiah 53 it's
unbelievable what that book of Isaiah
it's it's it pulls it all together and
as you narrow down and you end up with
he was wounded for our transgressions
and this becomes the confession of all
who believe in Christ including one day
Israel so um I I want to say this to you
personally
um you are a testimony to um the glory
of God in man I I see the beauty of
God's creation in you I see um he's
starting to tear up a little
bit I I see the use of reason and
compassion and care I I I see so many
things in you so I I don't I'm not
denying that reflection of God in you
but I'm saying you either believe Jesus
is the savior or you don't and that's
the distinction now I have a question
and that's what is stopping Jews like
Ben Shapiro here from seeing Jesus as
the Messiah despite all the compelling
arguments in favor of him and so there's
a few things to talk about here one
being that Jews don't believe that Jesus
properly fulfilled the Messianic
prophecies a big one that I see talked
about online is the prophecy in Ezekiel
that's about the building the Third
Temple of
Israel I mean Jesus there wasn't any
Third Temple construction constructed
when Jesus was along here so it seems
like maybe he didn't fulfill this well
Christians counter this by saying two
things here one in the book of matth
Matthew when he's talking about he will
destroy if you destroy the temple he
will raise it up in 3 days they're
saying that could mean the Third Temple
or conversely it could also mean that
Jesus is going to create the Third
Temple during his second coming and
there's a few other prophecies about
this like an era of peace and then
another one that's about bringing the
knowledge of the god of Israel to all
people and Christians also say that that
is going to come during the second
coming then there's another thing that
Jews hold against Jesus and it's that
they don't believe that Jesus embodies
the personal qualifications to be the
Messiah for one they believe that Jesus
contradicted the Torah which I mean like
on dealings with the Sabbath which would
make him a false prophet and they
there's verses about this in the Old
Testament like in Deuteronomy I'll put
it on screen or something but Christians
counter and even Jesus himself said that
he did not come to change the law or to
replace the law but to fulfill the law
and the new the New Testament even
records that Jews had a misunderstanding
of the Mosaic Covenant and twisted it
into this sort of legalism that Jesus
came to restore not all Jews but the
Pharisees the Sadducees you read about
it there another thing that's
interesting is they also don't believe
that Jesus was a descendant of David and
this is interesting
because Jesus since he came from God
through the Virgin birth in Mary he
technically has no biological father
so and in that time the culture was you
inherit your bloodline
through your father so how could he be a
descendant of David well there's
genealogies recorded in the gospels
about Joseph that show that he is part
of the bloodline of David and the Jews
say well adoption into the davidic
bloodline isn't enough the Christians
say adoption into it is enough and
there's also a whole lot of debate about
the genealogies but that's really
complicated we're not going to get into
that here and another thing that they
that Jews hold against Jesus is that
they believe that the biblical verse the
iconic ones referring to Jesus are
mistranslations so for example the the
prophecy that's about predicting him
being birthed from a virgin well that
text can also be interpreted as him
being born of a young woman it doesn't
have to be virgin and another one is
that Jesus will be crucified but you can
also translate it that just his enemies
will surround him because that word for
gouged can also mean like a lion and
there are many other objections to Jesus
that rabinal Jews I think I'm saying
that right have against Jesus but I mean
both sides they're going to disagree on
things and people are going to find ways
to use the evidence to support their
beliefs and I think what's underlying
all of these intellectual duels going on
surrounding Jesus and Christianity
versus Judaism it's something much
deeper going on here and it's that in
Judaism Jews don't believe that they
need a personal savior they don't
believe that they are born in a state of
sin but the truth is is that we are all
born into a fallen State and that we all
need a savior and you can keep doing
those sacrifices over and over like
recorded in the Mosaic Covenant but that
is not is that's not what's going to
bring you the Everlasting savior the one
true savior that can cover all sins for
your whole lifetime he can clothe you in
righteousness and that is the Lamb of
God it's Jesus he is the ultimate
fulfillment of everything that has led
up to this and to accept Jesus as your
lord and savior you just need to believe
in him and trust in him to be the only
Lord of your life and to turn from any
unrighteous ways that are in your life
and just pursue him God said that he
gave Israel its spiritual blindness in
the Book of Romans it's New Testament so
Jews I mean they're not they don't
believe this here but it said that um he
would cover their eyes from seeing and
cover their ears from hear hearing and
so the best thing that we can do here is
to pray for them pray for all of the
people in Israel pray for all of the
Jews who don't know Jesus at their lord
and savior that they will come to in
communion with him and receive
everlasting life and if you want to
learn more about the evidence for God I
recommend checking out the video on
screen right about there have a great
day happy New Year too
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