Rio Talks Marcus Rashford Nightclub Saga!

Summary

The hosts discuss the recent disciplinary issues at Manchester United, focusing on Marcus Rashford being spotted out the night before missing training. They debate whether Rashford deserves more leniency than other players based on last season's performance. Overall, they feel there are too many off-field distractions at United impacting results, questioning the professionalism and culture at the club. The manager is trying to address it but faces many challenges managing all the personalities.

Takeaways

• 😕 There are discipline issues with Marcus Rashford and other players at Manchester United
• 😡 Rashford was allegedly spotted out in Belfast before calling in sick the next day
• 😠 Ten Hag seems unhappy with Rashford's behavior and is dealing with it privately
• 😤 United's culture allows players to act unprofessionally without repercussions
• 😐 Experienced players like Rashford should lead by example as role models
• 🤔 Ten Hag may be handling Rashford differently than Sancho due to Rashford's past contributions
• 😑 Constant issues with players are distracting Ten Hag from focusing on football
• 😫 Ten Hag has to deal with drama and egos at United more than other clubs
• 😩 United players lack professionalism, ruthlessness and a winning mentality
• 😞 Ten Hag can't trust United players to avoid negative headlines and focus on football

Q & A

What happened with Marcus Rashford recently that caused issues at Manchester United?

Marcus Rashford was spotted out at a club in Belfast on Wednesday or Thursday night before a training session on Friday that he missed due to illness. This caused issues because it looked like improper preparation before an important training session.

How did Erik ten Hag respond when asked about Rashford's situation?

Ten Hag responded in a vague way, saying he would deal with it internally and not providing much detail. This suggested he was not happy with Rashford's actions.

How should Rashford be behaving as one of the senior players on the team?

As a senior player, Rashford should be setting an example and focusing fully on training and performing well on the pitch. He should not be missing training sessions or putting himself in positions where his preparation could suffer.

What kind of environment did Rio Ferdinand describe when he was at Manchester United?

Rio described an environment with strong standards and culture, where players were careful about their preparation and public image even if they sometimes went out. The manager knew what was happening but it was kept internal.

Why might Ten Hag be handling Rashford differently than Jadon Sancho?

Rashford was Manchester United's top scorer last season while Sancho has struggled more. Ten Hag may be trying to keep Rashford happy and get the best out of him on the pitch.

How does Rio Ferdinand describe the current Manchester United players?

Rio called them "bellends" - immature and unprofessional. He said they are not serious, ruthless winners and Ten Hag cannot trust them to stay focused on football.

What does Rio say Manchester United has more of than other clubs?

Rio said Manchester United has more statements and headlines than points - implying they have many off-field issues and controversies that distract from on-field performance.

How does Rio think Ten Hag is handling the player issues?

Rio thinks Ten Hag has been quite solid - he is not letting players get away with unprofessionalism and is being consistent in his handling of different issues.

What does Cristiano Ronaldo think about the Manchester United players?

Cristiano Ronaldo has indicated the Manchester United players lack seriousness and are unprofessional - saying "that lot are not serious".

How much time does Rio estimate Ten Hag spends dealing with player issues?

Rio estimates Ten Hag probably spends 4 or 5 days a week with his head on his desk dealing with player issues rather than focusing on football.

Outlines

00:00

🎙️ Behind the Scenes at Manchester United

The script delves into the recent controversies surrounding Manchester United, focusing on Marcus Rashford's alleged appearance in Belfast, his illness, and the subsequent missed training session. The dialogue scrutinizes United's handling of player discipline, particularly under the lens of Rashford's actions, contrasting it with the club's historical standards. It discusses the implications of player behavior on team dynamics, the potential lack of managerial control, and the broader issues of discipline within the squad. The conversation also touches upon the impact of social media and the need for players to maintain professionalism to support the team's success.

05:01

🔍 Leadership and Culture at United

This segment explores the leadership void and cultural dilution at Manchester United, emphasizing the importance of senior players like Marcus Rashford and Luke Shaw stepping up. It reflects on how past players managed their public appearances and commitments, especially after defeats, to maintain professionalism. The discussion contrasts current practices with the stringent, disciplined culture of previous eras, highlighting the need for a strong, consistent leadership to navigate the club through turbulent times. It also addresses the differential treatment of players by management, suggesting that individual circumstances might necessitate varied responses.

10:03

🤔 The Managerial Quandary

Focusing on the managerial challenges at Manchester United, this section critiques the public handling of player issues by the coach, including the varied responses to different players' actions off the field. It discusses the strain these incidents place on the club's image and the manager's role in maintaining discipline while fostering a positive team environment. The narrative questions the effectiveness of the management's strategies in dealing with high-profile players and the consistency of their disciplinary measures. It concludes by pondering the manager's potential feelings of frustration and distrust towards players, exacerbated by the constant media spotlight on the club's internal issues.

Keywords

💡discipline

The issue of discipline is a major theme in the video, as the hosts discuss disciplinary problems at Manchester United under new manager Erik ten Hag. Discipline refers to the control, order, and coordination within a team, which ensures professionalism and focus. The video implies that Manchester United lacks discipline right now, with players like Marcus Rashford potentially breaking rules and undermining team cohesion. Examples of insufficient discipline include Rashford missing training and Cristiano Ronaldo's public disputes with the manager.

💡culture

Culture refers to the attitudes, values, expectations, and behaviors within a team. The video argues Manchester United lacks a strong, winning culture right now, unlike in the past. A good culture ensures discipline, professionalism, and focus. The hosts imply the players are not adhering to high standards and there are no senior figures instilling the right culture. Examples include constant media speculation and Ronaldo critiquing the team's lack of seriousness.

💡leadership

Leadership is important for building team culture and discipline. The video suggests Manchester United is lacking strong leaders and senior players to model professionalism. Marcus Rashford is criticized for not showing leadership despite being a veteran player now. In the past, leaders like Ryan Giggs ensured discipline.

💡distractions

The video highlights distractions as a problem facing Manchester United and manager Erik ten Hag. Instead of focusing on football, there is constant media attention on disciplinary issues, disputes, and controversies involving players. These distractions are undermining team morale, cohesion, and performance. Examples include coverage of Ronaldo and Rashford incidents.

💡standards

Standards refers to the level of behavior, performance, and professionalism expected at a club. The hosts imply standards have dropped at Manchester United. There is less personal accountability and focus on football. Players are not meeting the high standards demanded at an elite club. The manager is attempting to enforce standards again.

💡mindset

Mindset refers to the mentality and attitudes of the players. The video suggests some players have the wrong mindset - lack of focus, professionalism, and seriousness. Their mindset is blamed for weak discipline and standards. Resolving this mindset issue is key to improving the culture. Examples include Ronaldo's critique of the player's mentality.

💡consistency

Consistency means reliably meeting expectations and standards over time. The hosts praise manager Erik ten Hag for being consistent in dealing with player discipline issues. His consistency is seen as crucial for instilling better discipline and culture. Past managers are criticized for allowing player misbehavior.

💡accountability

Accountability refers to players taking responsibility for meeting standards and accepting consequences for failures. Lack of accountability is viewed as a factor in Manchester United's issues. The hosts want to see more personal accountability from players rather than constant excuses and team blaming.

💡professionalism

Professionalism means approaching one's job with dedication, responsibility, and excellence. The video implies professionalism is lacking in some Manchester United players based on disciplinary issues. Greater professionalism on and off the pitch is required to improve discipline and results.

💡trust

Trust refers to the manager's faith that players will behave professionally and avoid discipline issues. The video says Erik ten Hag cannot fully trust his team right now. Trust needs to be earned through consistent professionalism. More trust between manager and players would strengthen team cohesion.

Highlights

Marcus Rashford was allegedly spotted out in Belfast on Wednesday or Thursday night before calling in sick on Friday

Rashford's actions raise questions about his professionalism and preparation given Man United's poor form and the competition he faces for a starting spot

As one of Man United's most senior players, Rashford has a duty to set an example and avoid unnecessary distractions

In the past, Man United players like Giggs and Scholes knew to simplify their routines and avoid commercial engagements after bad losses

Now with camera phones everywhere, players must be even more careful about their off-field behavior getting attention

Rashford should be leading by example as one of the most senior players, but the club lacks an established culture that players must adhere to

We shouldn't have to be discussing so many non-football issues at a club like Manchester United week after week

No other top clubs seem to have the constant distractions and drama that United does

Ten Hag has dealt reasonably well with disciplinary issues, not letting players get away with things

Ronaldo called out the United players for not being serious enough

When you review the squad makeup, the word is "bellends" - they are not professional, ruthless, consistent winners

We have more statements and apologies from United than points on the table - it's unreal

Ten Hag likely spends a good amount of time with his head on his desk out of frustration

The manager can't trust this group of players to avoid being tabloid fodder and headlines

The players as a collective are simply not serious enough

Transcripts

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it right welcome back to five today

we're going to be talking about what's

just happened and what the potential

implications are with what's going on

not just with Marcus rashford but that's

what we're going to talk about but the

The Wider discipline issue at United why

you smiling there's a smirk on your face

I can see it you looky I want I want to

talk about I want to talk about what's

going on at your Club energy your energy

is so question what's going on Marcus

rashford what about him you tell me mate

you know spotted in Belfast now is this

alleged or is this is what I'm saying

this is why I want to be very careful

what we say on the show because

obviously I only want to deal with facts

but it looked like he was spotted out in

Belfast which is a fact right I don't

know whether it was Wednesday or

Thursday at one point there were there

were um bits and Bobs coming out in the

media saying oh no it was on a Wednesday

not on the Thursday as it was originally

said but then he called in sick on the

Thursday and he couldn't report to

training for

Friday right there's a lot of people so

United said he missed he went out

Wednesday with permission before you

start the way the manager answered the

question he flatlined it as if to say

I'm dealing with this behind the scenes

trust me if something's not right sorry

steeve we're get that and on the back of

that yeah if he if he was just ill and

he was out at the right time with

permission he go to saying it yeah

there's not a problem so there's

obviously a problem so him by making any

com comment on it in the manner that he

did I'm more inclined that as it was as

he was out on Thursday I was getting DMS

of of videos and stuff so I'm inclined

to think that people didn't sit on them

for 24 hours before sending him to me

people are like he's like right in front

of me now um oh really yeah I believe

Roshan's just signed for a club in

Belfast is that the move so I think he'd

gone out with rosan um is what I'm

hearing now I think the problem here is

not that he can't go

anywhere but if it causes you to mist

trining now he might have just

coincidentally been ill but you put

yourself on an airplane where you're

breathing in all that mixed air you're

putting yourself in a position to be ill

a p you what he's on a PJ so is he there

on was he not on Ryan Air I don't

believe pretty easy on Ryan air just to

yeah it's 28 quid I don't believe he's I

think he's a PJ man if he got filmed

leaving a club can you imagine him

sitting or ran here like this would the

pictures would have been there yeah

you're right you're right you know I

mean probably was a private jet yeah all

right fair play but either way you you

you put yourself in a position where you

got to travel you still got to do

airports and stuff like you don't you

get ill don't you you get ill when

you're traveling and stuff and you're

flying and things like that it's not

ideal preparation for training Bingo

especially if you're coming back Friday

morning or supposedly coming back Friday

morning you're not putting yourself in a

position especially with what's going on

with literally every other Winger at the

club especially with the situation the

club is in and especially with how your

individual performance has been this

season Jo if he have done it last season

when he scored 30 goals no I would have

K yeah it's

weird cuz it's still not the right prep

so might said something feeling is

different get Grace 100% did you did you

witness it when you play top of my head

I think that listen people stepped out

of line when in my year I did I was one

of them jine but I would like to think

that more often than not most of the

time if not all my professionalism

around training was right we tried to go

out at the right times um I just think

that like Steve said the club's in a

this different my area you can't judge

it against my because we were flying we

were winning everything so you're going

to get Grace on a lot of things whereas

you have to have that self-awareness am

I putting myself in a position where

people could pick at me or I could be

tripped over here so if you're going to

go in on a for a Friday training session

and arrive back that morning that's not

really if you're talking like Elite

Sportsman is that the right prep that's

the first question that I ask I'd say no

so already there you're at a

disadvantage so and my point is the way

the manager responded to the question

tells me that he's not happy with what's

happened there's something wrong he's

gone outside of the boundaries that have

been set so he has to work that out but

but the club's in in in all over the

place players in his position have

been been hammered by the by the club

one's gone out to the Dortmund on loan

now and one's not at the club anymore

the other ones was on a mad charge or

accusations or whatever like there's a

lot of noise around the club you're one

of the experienced players now keep that

noise down that's your duty you're one

of the leaders now like it or not your

age the time you've been there you're

one of the leaders and again I think you

got to be aware enough that when you're

not doing well as a club as a team and

you're not hitting the standards that we

know you're you're about personally you

got to be aware man is this where you go

Paul gos mode wake up train shower go

home yeah yeah you got to simplify like

like I give you a good example if we got

beat like we not I was never my United

in the time where it's like now where

the atmosphere is like now but if we got

beat on on a regular weekend on a

Tuesday or whatever or Saturday and we

didn't have a game to the to the

following Saturday and I've got a um a

commercial engagement on Wednesday with

my sponsor at the time he was was Nike

or whever it was my agent Jamie here in

newera will be up on the motorway coming

up yeah yeah and I just go now what 5

hour drive 6 hour drive you're telling

Jamie no yeah I'm not doing it or I'd

say to him on the on the on the day the

day before whatever tell him I'm not

doing it yeah what do you mean we've got

they spent all the money on the hotels

all the people they got 30 40 people

doing a commercial but I ain't doing it

she's got beat I can't be seen to be

doing that not doing it so wow so not

even wow or or interview a lot of the

time it was interviews as well where

going to do an interview for S back in

the day was a paper or magazine I said

no no no you got to delay out that that

can't go out now well we just got

beat like my personal pride no one told

me to do that yeah that's just like and

it was a common thing for a lot of the

players I know I see a lot of players

did you have that all the way through at

West Ham at leard is that something you

pick something I picked up at United um

leads United really but main mainly at

United because the culture and I think

that's where these players are probably

a disadvantage as well there isn't a

culture that's set in stone at the club

that they have to adher to and just

follow is Marcus not the most senior

player in this squad now him and Luke

Shaw I'd say so who's got the most

appearances out of them it's it's

probably neck and neck is it yeah yeah

because of injuries with Luke Shaw

thereor players yeah

he right now Marcus is he should be the

guy that's just leading that team I

think flip back to your era that's gigs

and skols and Keen yeah when I walked in

then go listen I'm not none of us were

Saints skoy everyone thinks is the most

quiet man but if we had a night out he

was aloon sometimes on tables giggsy

yeah okay but but no but skoy will be

out and about and he it' be there it' be

one of like last to go home Etc but

you're doing you're trying to do it at

the right times we weren't Saints did go

out we did like a drink we did like a

good time I think the difference is as

well there's phones as well so you got

to be extra careful now listen mate

there was there was reports out and

about following people there was private

investigators in all the bars and clubs

when we used to go out 100% it all get

back to the manager you think the

manager didn't know what drink we were

drinking he knew what drink you were

ordering he knew what your bar was R you

left your car um your your your credit

card um Sugarland after we won a league

one year you left your

card so it's

so he says it I was like I was like that

stuttering like

what but they know they just know these

things so you have to you have to have

the awareness whereas now it's not your

manager that knows everything the bloody

world knows because of the the phones

and all that stuff so you've got to be

more even more diligent and careful I

want to ask you um something within the

segment though we were talking in a

group chat yesterday with Anton Anton

Ferdinand the take on he's got a big one

this week M he talks about the contrast

in treatment we had him on here a couple

weeks ago can you see there's a

difference in tenh the way he's

responding now you said one thing you

said by his by the way he spoke to the

media there's definitely something

that's happened right it also sounds to

me though like he doesn't want to make

the same mistake again and make more

noise and go yeah he did go out or

because he was very blunt and honest

with Sancho and a lot of people

commended him with it

after but but it ALS so but there's been

a couple now with rashford I'm not

saying it's the same but he's had to

come out a couple times to talk about

rashford as

well could it be that he is he's seen

what's happened and he's trying a

different approach it could be it's two

different people it's you can't treat

you can't treat two people exactly the

same because you don't know what in

incidents have happened behind the

scenes that we're not privy to so we've

seen that he's he's called out sanche

yeah Sancho could have done 10 things

before that that we don't know about mhm

and rashford might have done three so

are you saying still he's got to treat

them exactly the same and he's got to go

public and he's got to call out exactly

the way that he done Sancho because for

all we know Sancho's done eight things

and he's only done three we don't know

and if that's the case he's going to

handle it accordingly that suits him I

don't think you can go blanket approach

everything and just say this is all the

same I'm throwing it all in the same

basket each individual case warrants a

different kind of reaction I just think

he has has to be strong he has to be

solid and he has to be consistent but

this is what I'm saying is I want you

guys to let us know in the comments by

the way we want more comments from you

guys more likes everything because I

think these are discussions that we all

need to have as a community right we

don't know you remember s scoring 30

goals for us last season no and playing

every single game so do you Reon that

does that not warrant yeah but does that

not warrant some level of different

treatment ten ha M you're thinking this

kid has never done anything apart from

giving me headaches this one last season

was my leading scorer and led us to to

the success that we had okay it's not

typical United success but maybe he's

thinking I got to keep him onside

because if I get him back to that level

there's a 30 goal season forward that

I've got whereas he might think Sancho's

never going to do it for me but that's

that's a good point right there maybe

he's playing the game as well you know

what I mean ten hog maybe he's thinking

instead of coming out and saying what I

really want to say I need to play the

game and and get a Marcus rashford that

can get on the goal on the goal sheet do

you know what I mean but also where does

he go now if he if he does that with

Marcus who's he go to he who's he lean

on whereas if he does that with Sancho

he knows he's got a rashford sitting

there he's got a gacho sitting there but

if he if he does that with Marcus now

also there's a we're both of them have a

huge value but in the market now Marcus

was is going to go for a lot of money if

he goes I just think that

listen I don't really I I hate talking

about Manchester United about all these

extracurricular things all these things

out outside of the 90 minutes you don't

get a weak without but it's consistently

popping up it's been happening for

flipping years like there's so many

different that we're talking about

outside of the game and it is down to

the club down to the players and down to

to the manager to create a culture where

people stay in check out of five five

being the

highest how would you score the way tenh

has dealt with players since coming to

man united including the Ronaldo

situations including him walking on off

at halftime including uh dallot being in

that mix including Wan basaka including

Marcus rashford Jaden s all of them and

you

know but this is my this is the point

the fact that you've had to sit there

and name real off about 10 different

things and you probably there's probably

loads many more right who else is

dealing with that type of stupidness who

else is dealing with these the behavior

problems who else is dealing with these

sagas who else is dealing with these big

big big big personalities who who who

are doing what they feels right at the

time I mean who's having probably only

poch or guys down at

Chelsea haven't seen anything come out

po ain't got no name brands moving mad

no well if you if you think about it the

only difference is only just got a lot

of players that's yeah a lot of players

but you still got to manage different no

but there's no Public public it's not

the same though is it they're not United

is it no no but yeah I know that but but

what I'm saying you can't like on it to

man united a bigger Club not just a

bigger Club it's just different because

he's all he's got is an influx of a lot

of players and having to J all he's got

you don't know that no no no but I'm

saying he hasn't that's the point is we

don't know anything so it's not getting

out we're dealing with someone at Main

United who's dealing with a lot of

public issues sagas soap operas

different one's doing it behind closed

doors and one's doing it in NE glare of

the public and we the biggest club in

the world what percentage of his weat

Reon he has with his head on his desk

what banging his head on his desk no

just laying there yeah I reckon he

slumped about four or five days a week

out OFA where'd you name it what number

you I think it's wrong to have to name

it I don't I don't think you can do that

because I think it's been it's

unprecedented I think he's consistent

though I think he I think he's not yeah

I think he's I think he's been quite

solid with it like Ronaldo [ __ ] about SI

Maguire dealt with quite well I thought

in the handling of taking the arm band

off Hima what he ain't doing he ain't

letting people get away with it yeah

which is good which I like because I

thought for a period it was like you can

just do what you want and obviously

there's friction and Cristiano Ronaldo

said this and he said a lot of waffle I

mean I'm sitting down with pi Morgan is

going to be waffle but like when he sat

down with him and I think he may have

said this outside of the pi morg thing

I'm just figuring out where he said it

but he said this lot aren't serious

didn't he at some point and we all

assumed it is he talking about this that

and other but regardless of whether you

want to pin names to it he was right

that lot as a collective are not serious

we just listed about 18 different

players that's not like if if you're

looking at like what is the makeup of my

squad it's

bellans there's no other word for it you

can't say they're professional they're

ruthless they're winners no they're

bells that Bells it comes a point is RO

is trust can the manager trust that

these players aren't going to be front

middle back pages headlines he can't he

can't trust them at the moment to to let

allow him to just focus on football we

have more statements than points it's

unreal it's true we definitely have more

than Hollands on shots

yeah

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