The panel discussion on Rise of the Machines | SiGMA Eurasia Conference 2024

Summary

In a lively panel discussion moderated by Dr. Sarah al-Madan, creatives Ahmed Bui, Raed Gasan Lukman, and Rid S explore the impact of AI on their industries. They share personal experiences with AI tools, expressing both the benefits and the potential threats to their work. The panelists, from TV directing to photography and podcasting, debate the balance between embracing AI advancements and preserving the irreplaceable human touch in creative processes. They also humorously envision dystopian scenarios where AI could lead to humanity's downfall, highlighting the need for responsible AI integration.

Takeaways

• 🎥 The panel is moderated by Dr. Sarah al-Madan and includes creative professionals from various fields discussing the impact of AI and technology on their work.
• 📹 Ahmed Bui, a TV director/producer and creative content producer, sees AI as a tool that can assist with technical tasks but lacks the human touch needed for creative work.
• 🎙️ Raeed, a podcaster and entrepreneur, mentions using AI for podcasting and content creation, highlighting that AI can help with research and generating ideas but cannot replace human interaction and storytelling.
• 📸 Gan Lukman, a fashion and automotive photographer, emphasizes the importance of human intention and storytelling in creative work, which AI cannot replicate, and the need to adapt to technological advancements.
• 🤖 The panelists agree that while AI can automate certain tasks and improve workflow, it cannot replace the emotional and creative input that humans provide.
• 💡 There is a consensus that AI and technology are transforming industries, but the human element in creativity and decision-making remains irreplaceable.
• 🌐 The discussion touches on the 'wild west' nature of AI development, with the acknowledgment that regulations and rules will likely evolve as the technology matures.
• 📉 The panelists express concerns about job displacement due to AI advancements but also see opportunities for adaptation and collaboration with AI.
• 📚 Raeed humorously mentions that his book is being 'written' by a prompt, indicating the integration of AI in even personal projects.
• 🌍 Lucas envisions a future where Arabs are recognized for their creative and bilingual capabilities, aiming to change the narrative and promote cultural competence.
• 📊 The panel concludes with each member sharing their current projects and aspirations, reflecting a forward-looking and optimistic attitude towards the integration of AI in their work.

Q & A

Who is the moderator of the panel discussion in the script?

The moderator is Dr. Sarah al-madani.

What roles do the panelists Ahmed, Raed, and Gan have in their respective fields?

Ahmed is a TV director/producer and creative content producer. Raed is a podcaster, entrepreneur, and content creator featured on a Netflix show called 'My Unorthodox Life'. Gan is a fashion and automotive photographer, as well as a director of short films and video projects for brands.

What is the main topic of the panel discussion?

The main topic is the rise of machines and AI and how it affects their respective industries.

How does Ahmed feel about AI and its impact on his work?

Ahmed is not afraid of AI and has actually taken advantage of it for certain technical tasks. However, he notes that AI lacks the human touch and emotional nuances that he brings to his work.

What is Raed's perspective on AI and its potential to replace jobs?

Raed acknowledges that AI has already displaced many jobs and believes it's important to adapt and work with AI rather than against it. He also mentions the need for regulation and safety measures as AI continues to evolve.

How does Gan view the role of AI in his photography and editing work?

Gan sees AI as a tool that speeds up workflow and technical tasks, but he believes that the intention and story behind creative work are irreplaceable by AI.

What is the panelists' collective opinion on the future of AI and its impact on creativity?

The panelists agree that while AI can assist and speed up certain tasks, it cannot replace the human element of creativity, emotion, and intention in their work.

What is the humorous scenario that Raed presents for the world ending due to AI?

Raed humorously describes a scenario where he falls in love with a robot that eventually takes over his life and ends up killing him, representing the last human on Earth.

What is Gan's vision for changing the narrative around Arab creativity?

Gan aims to impact the mentality that Arabs cannot be creatives or bilingual, and he wants to show that Arabs can do creative work on an elite level just like anyone else in the world.

What future projects are the panelists working on?

Ahmed is working on three unfinished feature film scripts, Raed is growing his 'Wingman' podcast into a television show and writing a book, and Gan is focusing on exhibitions and work to change the perception of Arab creativity.

How does the panel feel about the current state of AI and its potential dangers?

The panel acknowledges the potential dangers of AI, such as job displacement and the loss of human input, but they also see the benefits and believe in finding a balance between AI and human creativity.

Outlines

00:00

🎥 Introduction to the Panel on the Rise of AI

The script opens with an introduction to a panel discussion moderated by Dr. Sarah al-madani, featuring panelists Ahmed Wuki, a TV director/producer and creative content producer; RaeD, a podcaster, entrepreneur, and content creator; and Gan Lukman, a fashion and automotive photographer, short film director, and former celebrity photographer. The panelists are encouraged to discuss their thoughts on the impact of AI and technology on their respective industries, with a focus on the potential for AI to replace human roles. The conversation is light-hearted, with a mix of humor and serious discussion about the future of creativity and technology.

05:00

🤖 AI in Content Creation and the Fear of Replacement

The panelists share their experiences and perspectives on AI's role in their work. They discuss how AI has been utilized in editing, captioning, and research, but emphasize the irreplaceable human touch in creative processes. The conversation delves into the fear of AI taking over jobs and the importance of adapting to technological changes. Panelists express a cautious optimism about AI's potential, suggesting that it is more of a tool than a threat, and that human creativity and intention are still paramount in their work.

10:01

📚 The Impact of AI on Workflow and Creativity

The panelists continue to explore the practical implications of AI in their professional lives, discussing how it has streamlined certain tasks but also the limitations of AI in capturing the nuances of human emotion and storytelling. They agree that while AI can improve efficiency, the essence of creative work lies in the human element, which AI cannot replicate. The discussion also touches on the broader societal implications of AI, including the potential for job displacement and the need for new regulations and ethical considerations.

15:04

🏆 Panelists' Personal Stories and Future Aspirations

In the final part of the script, the panelists share their personal stories of how AI has impacted their work and their aspirations for the future. They reflect on the potential dystopian scenarios where AI could lead to the end of humanity, but also express hope for a future where AI and humans coexist, with humans maintaining control and using AI as a tool for creativity and innovation. The panel concludes with each member sharing their current projects and ambitions, highlighting their resilience and adaptability in the face of technological advancements.

Keywords

💡AI (Artificial Intelligence)

AI refers to the simulation of human intelligence in machines that are programmed to think like humans and mimic their actions. In the video's context, AI is a central theme as the panelists discuss its impact on their respective creative industries. For instance, the creative director, Ahmed, mentions using AI for editing and generating Instagram captions, highlighting how AI can assist but not replace the human touch in creative processes.

💡Machines

The term 'machines' in the script symbolizes the technological advancements and tools that are becoming increasingly integrated into various professional fields. The panelists explore the idea of machines, driven by AI, potentially replacing human roles in content creation, photography, and podcasting. The discussion reflects both excitement and apprehension about the capabilities and consequences of these technological shifts.

💡Creative Director

A creative director is a professional role responsible for the creative output of an organization, overseeing the development of ideas and concepts in various media forms. In the script, Ahmed, who is a creative director, talks about his experience with AI and how it has helped him with technical tasks, which relates to the broader conversation about the role of AI in the creative process.

💡Podcaster

A podcaster is someone who creates and hosts podcasts, which are digital audio programs that can be downloaded or streamed online. Raed, one of the panelists, is a podcaster and entrepreneur who discusses how AI has impacted his work, particularly in generating content and ideas for his podcast 'Wingman', and how he sees AI as a tool rather than a threat.

💡Photographer

A photographer is a professional who captures images using a camera, often as an art form or for commercial purposes. Gan, another panelist, is a fashion and automotive photographer who has also worked in celebrity and VIP coverage. He talks about how AI has sped up his workflow, especially in post-production tasks like editing and retouching, yet emphasizes the irreplaceable value of human creativity and intention in his work.

💡Content Creator

A content creator is an individual who generates various forms of content meant for distribution through digital platforms. Raed identifies himself as a content creator in addition to being a podcaster. The script highlights how content creators like Raed are navigating the integration of AI into their work, using it to streamline tasks and generate ideas, while maintaining their unique creative voice.

💡Human Input

Human input refers to the involvement and contribution of human beings in a process or system. Throughout the script, the panelists emphasize the importance of human input in creative work and how it differentiates AI-assisted tasks from those requiring a personal touch. For example, Ahmed discusses how AI might miss emotional nuances in video editing, which requires human judgment.

💡Technical Aspects

Technical aspects pertain to the practical and operational elements involved in a particular field or activity. The panelists discuss how AI has impacted the technical sides of their work, such as editing, coloring, and researching. Gan mentions that AI can help with retouching and adapting changes across different frames, showing how technology can enhance these technical aspects of creative work.

💡Storytelling

Storytelling is the art of narrating stories, often to engage, inform, or entertain an audience. In the script, the panelists agree that storytelling is a crucial human element in their work that AI cannot replicate. Gan specifically mentions that the story they tell in their work is what differentiates it from general content and gives it lasting value.

💡Prompt

In the context of AI, a prompt is a stimulus or input given to an AI system to generate a response or perform a task. Raed jokes about being tired of the word 'prompt' due to its frequent use in AI applications. The script illustrates how prompts are used to guide AI in creating content, such as when Raed uses AI to generate questions for his podcast interview.

💡Industrial Revolution

The Industrial Revolution refers to a period of significant technological and economic change in the 18th and 19th centuries, characterized by the shift from hand production to machines. Raed draws a parallel between the Industrial Revolution and the current 'revolution' brought about by AI and digital technology, suggesting a significant shift in the workforce and societal structures.

💡Data

Data refers to information, often numerical, collected through various means and used for analysis or to inform decision-making. In the script, the panelists discuss how AI operates based on trends and data generated by humans. Lucas imagines a future scenario where the last humans try to survive by avoiding generating data for AI, highlighting the crucial role data plays in AI functionality.

💡Creativity

Creativity is the use of imagination or original ideas to create something. The panelists emphasize that creativity, particularly the human aspect of it, is essential in their work and cannot be replaced by AI. They believe that the level of creativity and the ability to make executive decisions and do something extraordinary are uniquely human capabilities.

💡Dependence

Dependence implies reliance on someone or something for support or to function. The script touches on the potential negative consequences of becoming too dependent on AI and technology, with one panelist suggesting a future scenario where humans become so reliant on technology that they lose basic abilities and eventually die out.

Highlights

The panel discussion is moderated by Dr. Sarah al-Madani and features creatives in various fields discussing the impact of AI and technology on their work.

Ahmed Bui introduces himself as a TV director/producer and creative content producer, emphasizing the importance of not being humble about achievements.

Raed, a podcaster and entrepreneur, mentions his work on the 'Wingman' podcast and 'My Unorthodox Life' on Netflix, highlighting the intersection of content creation and technology.

Gan Lukman, a fashion and automotive photographer, discusses his experience with AI in editing and technical work, and the irreplaceable human touch in creative processes.

The panelists share their views on AI, expressing a mix of positive and negative perspectives, and the balance between embracing technology and maintaining human input.

Ahmed Bui talks about using AI for editing and generating Instagram captions, but notes the lack of 'soul' in AI-generated content compared to human editing.

Raed shares his experience with AI in podcasting and content creation, including how AI has impacted his workflow and the potential for AI to replace certain jobs.

Gan Lukman discusses the efficiency gains from AI in photography, such as retouching and caption generation, but stresses the importance of the human story in creative work.

The panelists agree that AI is a tool that can be leveraged but should not replace the creative and emotional aspects of their work.

A discussion on the 'wild west' nature of AI, with no clear rules or regulations, and the potential for AI to evolve and impact job markets significantly.

The panelists consider the ethical implications of AI, including the potential for AI to process unstable or harmful information from humans.

A creative exercise where each panelist imagines a scenario where the world ends due to AI, reflecting on the fears and potentials of AI advancements.

Raed envisions a future where AI takes over personal lives, leading to a dystopian scenario where humans are outsmarted by their own creations.

Gan Lukman presents a scenario of a data battle, where the last humans struggle to survive by avoiding data generation to prevent AI from destroying humanity.

The panelists conclude with their current projects and future aspirations, showcasing their dedication to creativity and innovation in the face of technological advancements.

A call to action for creators to embrace AI as a tool while maintaining the value of human input and creativity.

Transcripts

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rise of the

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Machines as I said earlier our moderator

is the amazing Dr Sarah al-madani and we

have our incredible panelists we have

Ahmed wuki the creative director of Bui

we have gas D gasan lukman the

photographer and content creator and we

have rid s the podcaster and

entrepreneur amazing another round of

applause lots of energy our amazing

panel they're in incredible hands enjoy

everyone

see you can tell everyone on the panel

is just a friend of

mine okay so this is a dark uh panel

name yeah all right before we start as I

said I'm not going to introduce you're

going to introduce yourself don't be

humble about your achievements

please please Ahmed go my name is Ahmed

Bui uh I'm a TV director/producer

also uh creative content

producer yeah you're right I can't talk

about myself that's all I can say you're

an amazing producer director he you are

a full house you're everything in one

and my fellow imarati brother I love you

so much

raed Ahmed let me help you talk about

myself no um uh I think isar knows this

is my favorite topic right yes that's

knows we've already talked about this

okay um well I am a podcaster here

currently at a podcast called wingman

I'm plugging it so definitely watch it

that's where I met s um we had a lot of

fun on that podcast um and I am also an

entrepreneur inter I'm a content creator

I'm on a television show called called

my unorthodox life on Netflix and that's

where they recruited me to come and do

this wingman podcast show here in Dubai

there's way more but I don't think we

have

time so

humble my name is Gan lman I'm a fashion

photographer Automotive photographer and

uh previously celebrity and VIP coverage

photographer as well I also direct short

films and uh video projects for a number

of Brands Sarah and I met a few years

ago working working on a magazine shoot

and we were also together on the Real

Housewives of the Bai TV show yeah I I

you are my brother Lucas can I just just

call you Lucas I cannot call the full

name okay guys actually I'm so proud of

you LK you do much more than this you

basically done thousands of covers of

magazines every celebrity has been under

your the spell of your camera so I'm so

proud of you I want to say a lot about

you but you did a good job

thank you but I love you all right so

let's just get straight to the point the

rise of the machine now I know in

whatever industry you guys work in TV uh

podcast and TV and then

photography there is no

room for technology when it comes to the

touch you guys add to what you do like I

cannot imagine you being replaced by a

robot one day okay or your podcast is

interviewed by another robot or your

camera is being done by a robot how do

you feel about the rise of the machine

in Ai and let me know even if it's

negative or positive or show me a

combination of both and how you balance

it I mean for me and what I do while

creating videos and directing and

writing and all that stuff it's

definitely it's not something I'm afraid

of just yet uh as something that I've

actually taken advantage of and it's

helped me out a little bit when it comes

to sort of the Annoying technical things

that I don't enjoy

doing uh I mean like we were saying

earlier uh it's still very much in human

control it still needs a human

input uh for AI to

work but for

instance let's talk about editing like

when I'm editing let's say this

interview is being filmed

and you can take all the different

camera angles and put it you know line

it up on a sequence and have ai edit the

whole thing for you by cutting from you

to me to him to

them uh but what I noticed yeah it does

do that and it does pick all the nice

shots and everything

but it's very like you said there's no

soul in it like I like cutting to a

reaction of you right now maybe like

looking at me which AI might miss and

miss that Nuance of uh the emotions on

your face that's uh the way you're

reacting to what I'm saying so I kind of

meet it in the middle you know sometimes

uh it helped me a lot with the Instagram

captions that's for sure I go to chat

gbt when it comes to like when I need a

little caption or like uh help with

titles or something so I do get

inspiration from it

but uh I'm not afraid of it just yet

because like I said it's still

uh I like I still bring a lot of

feelings to it which AI still hasn't

been able to

replicate okay but do you feel like

there will come a time where you're

going to fear it because then I don't

need a producer I don't need a director

everything is done by ai ai would be

more intelligent by then I mean AI will

start writing novels and writing scripts

and all that stuff but like I said I I'm

not sure yet I know there'll be a lot of

it's it's very much the wild west right

now just like when social media hit the

scene there are no rules there are no

laws and now we have a lot of those and

I feel like uh they'll definitely adjust

a lot of things when it comes to AI when

it comes to safety and people will lose

jobs for sure but uh I think yeah we

should learn how to join them instead of

you know because I don't it's inevitable

so find a way to join them and learn

learn with it and see what we can bring

to the table as well and just sort of

meet in the middle yeah yeah what about

you in uh 2024 2023 I've never heard the

word prompt more I'm so tired of this

what is the prompt you have to know how

to prompt that word has not existed in

our vocabulary now it's everywhere um

even people use it on day-to-day I mean

a day-to-day like speech for things that

have nothing to do with uh chat GPT or

whatever but uh for me me I have

displaced sadly a lot of jobs I mean I

used to Outsource Fiverr and go online

and Outsource to uh countries I had a

team of five uh people in the

Philippines who were working for a lot

of things that I needed help with I

don't have those people anymore legit um

are jobs being displaced 100% um and uh

is there a change that's happening do we

go with the change what do we how do we

how do we adapt how do we how do we work

around it many things I mean

um captions is a button I don't need to

get someone to write the captions

anymore for me um editing coloring um

researching when I was researching for

your

episode I I I there was a team of four

initially that we used but now it's it's

down to a team of three for the research

aspect um two clicks of a button and

chat gbt told me everything about s

Med what really really I just the

internet told me everything I need to

know I was like I have a podcast coming

up with this really cool chick called s

Med can you please tell me why I should

ask her they gave me 20 questions and

those there are questions I asked you

are you serious that's it I thought you

sat all night you were so impressed you

were so impressed with me I was

impressed cuz I thought it was you and

she even said that was the best podcast

I've ever been on I'm like tank chat GPT

it's a subscription it's $1 19999 I'm

on Legit so I mean there's a lot of

changes and there's a lot of

conversations that we had about as we

know the Industrial Revolution changed a

lot of things for people and the

workforce and you know nothing's

handmade anymore as much as it was back

then and now there's a new Revolution

happening y'all wake up yes that's true

that's true

Lucas I mean I think um similar to what

the guys had to say um it definitely

improves and speeds up a lot of workflow

aspects when it comes to editing work

and also uh technical work for example

captions um little things like

retouching where now ai can pick up on

certain retouches or or changes we make

and it can adapt it to different frames

when I'm shooting on a high frame rate

and you have a pretty big similarity

between photos it does speed things up

but I genuinely believe one which is um

if you if you go to someone's house and

you have some nice food and you say oh

good food what oven was it it doesn't

really matter what oven was it it was

the person who input the effort and the

ingredients to get to that result and I

I feel like a lot of creative work

really sits on the the intention like

Sasha had to say in the previous uh

panel as well as the the thought process

behind creating something and ultimately

when it comes to my line of work the

story We Tell in that line of work is

what makes a difference between General

consumable content and something that

tells a story and stays for many years

AI as far as I'm aware operates on past

track record and I don't think that a

method of extrapolation

to to use the word quite conservatively

is going to replace the human capability

of making executive decisions and doing

something out of the

ordinary just my opinion but am I afraid

of it do I think that it's going to

replace me one day I don't think so

purely because right now it's not

demonstrating enough signs of being able

to completely take away the the

requirement of human presence yes it can

eliminate some jobs which were pretty

systematic But ultimately the level of

there is a level of creativity that

needs to be of human input like ra said

which is putting in the prompts a if AI

takes over the whole thing that means AI

is going to generate and consume by

itself so where do we stand that means

as a as a as a whole race we're just

going to have to disappear because this

is going to generate create and then

it's going to also be on the receiving

end doesn't really make sense to me it

is scary though it is very scary yes but

just like Ahmed mentioned the the the

rise of the internet as well I remember

sitting at home when the when the Tik

Tok boom happened and I was like what is

this app people are just dancing on it

it's useless now you have a a a

search-based engine where you can

literally find more information on Tik

Tok then you can going through Google

you can find certain prompts that'll

take you into wormholes so deep about

things that are so technical yeah you

would have never imagined so I think

there should be just an openness from

creators to be a able to absorb and

appreciate and take into consideration

that AI can benefit us but with that

same regard also paying the respects and

maintaining the value of human input got

it cuz we created it we shouldn't allow

it to destroy us if if if I can say it

that way I mean th this is this is where

it it gets scary because not every Tech

entrepreneur not every person we are all

feeding AI information every search

engine every every word we write is

feeding it we're not all stable as human

beings not everybody's stable God knows

what kind of information is being

processed and there come a point where

there is no control anymore then what do

we do and this I think this is my next

question since you're all in the

creative field let's do something fun

okay I want each and every one of you to

give me like a short scenario of how the

world will end because of AI

you're the director you should like have

the most fascinating

story can I'm not very quick on my feet

like that to come up with something then

we have to replace you with stivity yeah

probably no give me a scenario like I

when I was a kid even growing up now

looking at all this I always have this

idea of how technology can end the world

so how do you if if this was dark we

just went dark I mean I think a lot of

people think when they still hear the

word the letters AI think of that sort

of humanoid like human looking robot

figure because of movies and stuff and

that's sort of like where the fear comes

from but

really again it's just data again it's

just you need a human

to tell it what to do to direct it so to

me I don't know I don't know maybe I so

so you feel like it's the Terminator

ending that we're going to have I don't

but I I think that's what uh a lot of

people who don't know much about it

their brain does go to that image

because of Hollywood yeah but you know

Hollywood shows us things because it is

going to happen one way or another

they're predicting something did we just

go down the rabbit hole yes we did we

went down the rabbit hle I think so yeah

okay raed how do you IM let's say you're

directing a

movie how would the world end

35 and everybody has died from hunger

and famine nobody has food to eat and

the only city that's available is Dubai

and the rest of the world has just

passed away from hunger and and no money

and fossil fuels and all that stuff that

is killing the world and I fell in love

with

robot this robot was really really good

looking did everything I needed never

argued with me but with machine learning

learned how to get into my bank account

learned how to open my phone learn how

to take over my life and then ended up

killing me and I was doomed and that was

an example for the last human to ever

live on planet

Earth

damn why do I feel like you're already

producing this movie oh my God any

investors I'll take raise your hand if

you want to invest in my movie

a shot on an

iPhone okay so

Lucas you're you're doing a movie and

you're the director how does the world

end with

technology does it have to end yes I bet

you anything everyone's standing is like

what the hell is happening on this panel

we're having fun okay how does the world

end because of Technology the way I see

it is I see it

becoming a Battle of trying to stop data

from getting to the AI because if it's

if it's operating based on Trends and

data that we are generating as human

beings okay I I imagine it a scenario of

the last 10 people trying to somehow

some way disconnect from any form that

generates any data to the AI and the AI

is suffocating from a lack of data that

it can use to operate and Destroy

humanity and the remaining humans are

there trying to also avoid giving them

that data and it becomes a race for

survival where both spe species are

trying to get the other to stop doing

whatever they're doing where the humans

are trying to avoid making any data so

they're not moving not breathing kind of

like the Predator movie when they're

hiding like behind corners and stuff and

you're just like for everyone out there

listening to these movie ideas if you

steal any of them we're filming this is

copyrighted however if you want to

invest in them they're right here no I

mean for this is how I see it I see it

as in like we become so lazy so

dependent so useless and so out of place

that we die in a comfort zone obese

can't move can't think can't do anything

because everything is there that's how

we see us dying but I like the Love

Story it's a good one right she screwed

you up very badly she screwed me up and

but she knew exactly what I wanted

that's a problem she love bombed you

love

bom all right guys thank you so much

before we go and we wrap this up just

quickly tell me what are you doing right

now what's the future for

you it's the future right now I'm

sitting on three unfinished feature film

scripts uh trying to find inspiration

trying to not to rely on AI okay

uh yeah I think that's I've seen your

work you're a superstar and if you guys

don't know Ahmed please follow his work

he has has an eye for capturing moments

and emotions and ideas and stories that

no one ever

has thank you myati

brother what's the future for you

obviously I want to grow the wingman

podcast into a television show that's

what my producer Mazen and I are doing

right here thank you Ma the house Mazin

in the house thank you for that uh we

are uh pitching it to networks and we

are going to uh be the L and degenerous

of the Middle East I love it and the

same time I'm writing a book which

actually I'm not really writing it cuz

you know a prompt is writing it for me

but I'm W give that away babe you want

the you told me to come here and give

you the truth I'm giving you the truth

fine fine be raw be raw I like it that's

what I'm working on what about you

Lucas the main objective for me is to

try and impact the mentality way we have

in the Arab region which is that Arabs

cannot be creatives they cannot be

bilingual they cannot be presentable in

both aspects I I I want to change the

narrative and make it okay it's okay to

to wear a kandora and also be able to

wear a suit be able to speak Arabic

fluently and English it's it's it's

acceptable it's an existing fact that we

can do creative work on a very high

Elite level just like anybody else in

the world and that we're not less

competent we're not less uh qualified

and we're not less talented and that's

the goal for me through my exhibitions

through my work through being able to

have opportunities like this thanks to

you and sigma to speak on these things

that's the main thing for me so I love

it we should change the name to the rise

of the Arabs yeah that be rise of the

Machines rise of the Arabs name no I

feel like yes we are living in a world

where we're not looked at in that way

but we're badass we're Arabs are

absolutely

yeah is that

okay all right thank you so much guys

thank you thank you thank you another

big round of applause everyone for our

panelist