Navigating the Future: BGI's Role in Shaping Education, Medicine, and Science
Summary
TLDRThe panel discussion at 'Early Stage AI' delves into the integration of AI technologies in education, medicine, science, and arts. Moderated by Eric Scen, a cognitive and social neuroscience expert, the conversation includes perspectives from diverse professionals like Deborah Dang, CTO of reu, ru, Joshua Johnson with a background in pharmaceuticals and gaming, and Randall Koene, founder of the Carbon Copies Foundation, focusing on whole brain emulation. They explore the ethical considerations, potential biases, and the importance of inclusivity and access in AI development. The panel emphasizes the need for diverse data sets, personalized medicine, and the role of AGI in advancing scientific understanding, while also discussing the future of education through gamification and the potential of decentralized AI.
Takeaways
- ๐จ The importance of integrating Arts with AI, education, medicine, and science was highlighted as creativity is a fundamental human trait.
- ๐ง Eric Schenk, a moderator with a background in cognitive and social neuroscience, emphasized the relevance of trust systems in the brain to AI development.
- ๐ก Deborah Dang, CTO of reu, ru, discussed the application of AI to understand both biological and social realms, stressing the potential of AGI in holistic science.
- ๐ Joshua Johnson shared his diverse background, from pharmaceutical supply chain to education and gaming, and his interest in integrating human purpose into AI.
- ๐งฌ Randall Kuna, founder of the Carbon Copies Foundation, is focused on whole brain emulation and the potential of AGI to advance human participation in an ecosystem of intelligences.
- ๐ถ Di Krauss, president of Jam Galaxy, spoke about the power of music as a universal language and its role in education and gamification.
- ๐งฌ Kennedy Shaw, CEO of ruv biotech, is building a drug discovery platform using neurosymbolic AI and crowdsourced data to combat aging-related diseases.
- ๐ The panelists agreed on the need for diverse and inclusive data sets to avoid biases and develop effective personalized medicine.
- ๐ค Concerns about the potential for disinformation and job loss due to AGI were raised, with suggestions to use AGI itself to simulate and address these issues.
- ๐ The conversation touched on the importance of decentralization and inclusivity in AGI development, ensuring that a wide range of perspectives are considered.
- ๐ The potential of AGI to democratize access to knowledge and technology was discussed, with examples like the Neuromatch Academy providing free online learning in Neuroscience and AI.
Q & A
What is the significance of including Arts in discussions about AI technologies along with education, medicine, and science?
-Arts is important because humans are creative beings, and it is a fundamental aspect that makes us human. Including Arts acknowledges the multidisciplinary nature of AI's impact on society.
What is Eric Schen's background and how does it relate to the panel discussion?
-Eric Schen has a background in cognitive and social neuroscience, with a focus on studying Trust Systems in the brain. This is relevant to AI systems as they will develop their own Trust Systems, making his expertise pertinent to the panel's theme.
Deborah dang's professional background and how does it connect to the topics discussed in the panel?
-Deborah dang is the CTO of reu, ru, and the longevity Network, with over 30 years of experience as a computational social scientist. Her work in applying AI to understand biological and social realms connects directly to the themes of AI in education, medicine, and science.
What is Joshua Johnson's background and how does it pertain to the panel's focus on AI and its applications?
-Joshua Johnson has a diverse background starting in science, with an MBA, and experience in the pharmaceutical supply chain in China. He is currently focusing on education and gaming, specifically gamifying the future of the world and the spatial web, which ties into the panel's discussion on AI's role in various domains.
What is Randall Kuhn's contribution to the field of whole brain emulation and how does it relate to the panel's discussion?
-Randall Kuhn is the founder of the Carbon Copies Foundation and has been working on whole brain emulation and mind uploading technologies. His work is relevant to the panel's discussion as it explores the potential of AI and its implications for human intelligence and participation in the broader ecosystem of intelligences.
What is Di Krauss's vision for the global brain and how does it connect to AI and the panel's themes?
-Di Krauss, president and co-founder of the Jam Galaxy music platform, had a vision for the global brain in 2011. She believes in the potential of AI to help humanity remember its interconnectedness and divine nature. This vision aligns with the panel's exploration of AI's role in enhancing human capabilities and understanding.
How does Kennedy Shaw's work at ruv biotech relate to the panel's focus on AI in beneficial domains?
-Kennedy Shaw is the CEO and founder of ruv biotech, which is building a drug discovery platform based on neurosymbolic AI and crowdsourced human data. Her work is directly related to the panel's focus as it aims to solve aging-related diseases and promote human longevity through AI technologies.
What is the importance of diversity in data sets according to Kennedy Shaw and how does it apply to personalized medicine?
-Kennedy Shaw emphasizes the importance of diverse data sets to ensure that personalized medicine can be effective for everyone. She points out that most human data sets have been biased towards wealthier white populations, and changing this is crucial for the development of therapies that work for all.
What is the potential ethical issue with AI that Deborah dang mentions and how can it be addressed?
-Deborah dang mentions disinformation, election tampering, job loss, and changing perceptions of reality as potential ethical issues with AI. She suggests using AGI itself to simulate social structures and predict outcomes, as well as implementing blockchain technology to ensure fair compensation and protection of personal data.
How does Joshua Johnson view the role of education in the ethical use of AI and its impact on the masses?
-Joshua Johnson believes that education is a form of marketing for understanding AI. He suggests creating a decentralized system like a 'consumer reports' for education tools around AI, which can help the masses understand AI from a non-biased point of view and lead to ethical use.
What does Di Krauss see as the role of music and gamification in educating people about AI and its benefits?
-Di Krauss sees music as a universal language that can be used to start conversations about AI. She believes that through platforms like Jam Galaxy, which combines music with gamification, people can be educated about AI in an engaging and inclusive way.
What is the role of ethics in the development of AGI according to Randall Kuhn?
-Randall Kuhn emphasizes the importance of inclusivity and openness in the development of AGI. He suggests that no single group can fully understand the ethical implications of AGI, and a diverse range of perspectives is needed to ensure ethical considerations are comprehensively addressed.
What is the key to making personalized medicine work according to Kennedy Shaw?
-Kennedy Shaw believes that the key to making personalized medicine work is to include everyone by ensuring that everyone has access to contribute their data, own their data, and have agency over what is done with that data.
How does Debra dang view the importance of decentralization in AI and science?
-Debra dang views decentralization as crucial not just for data but also for AI and science. She believes that including everyone's contributions and unlocking the talents of those who have been suppressed due to their background can lead to a more holistic and comprehensive understanding.
What does Randall Kuhn suggest as a way to democratize access to AI technologies and bring more people into the conversation?
-Randall Kuhn suggests that AGI can democratize access to AI technologies by making it easier for people to participate in the conversation without needing extensive skills or knowledge. He cites the Neuromatch Academy as an example of this, where people can learn to use machine learning and AI in neuroscience online and for free.
What is Joshua Johnson's perspective on the slow-moving nature of education and healthcare in terms of legislation and how it impacts AGI development?
-Joshua Johnson believes that the slow-moving nature of education and healthcare legislation presents challenges for AGI development. He sees the potential in gaming and the internet to provide more immediate and tangible access to AGI technologies and believes this could be a way to circumvent some of the legislative challenges.
What is the balance that Joshua Johnson suggests should be maintained when discussing the acceleration or slowing down of AGI development?
-Joshua Johnson suggests that the balance lies in having open conversations about AGI development. He believes that any press is good press and that by discussing and communicating about AGI, we can understand the extremes and find a balanced approach that takes into account diverse perspectives.
What does Kennedy Shaw think is the basis for solving the issues related to the acceleration of AGI and its impact on domains like education and healthcare?
-Kennedy Shaw believes that good regulation is the basis for solving these issues. She points out that current regulatory frameworks, like the FDA, are slow and not appropriate for the technological environment we are facing, suggesting that a regulatory framework that maximizes benefits across fields is needed.
Outlines
๐ Introductions and Panel Diverse Backgrounds
The panel, moderated by Eric Schenk who has a background in cognitive and social neuroscience, introduces its members and their respective fields. Deborah Dang, CTO of reu,ru's Longevity Network, discusses her experience as a computational social scientist. Joshua Johnson, with a background in pharmaceutical supply chain and education, talks about his work with gaming and AI ethics. Randall Kuhna, founder of the Carbon Copies Foundation, explains his work on whole brain emulation. Di Krauss, president of the Jam Galaxy music platform, shares her vision for a global brain. Lastly, Kennedy Shaw, CEO of ruv biotech, discusses her company's drug discovery platform and the importance of diverse data sets for personalized medicine.
๐ ๏ธ The Role of AGI in Science and Education
The panelists explore the potential of AGI in advancing science and education. Deborah emphasizes the need to apply AGI to science to avoid disinformation and create a holistic understanding of causal mechanisms. Eric Schenk suggests that AGI can help synthesize scattered truths into larger ones. Joshua Johnson discusses the paradigm change in neuroscience due to AI, allowing for large-scale circuitry reconstructions. The conversation highlights the importance of including diverse perspectives and contributions to achieve a comprehensive understanding of complex systems.
๐ AGI's Impact on Education and Gamification
Joshua Johnson discusses the role of education in the context of AGI, suggesting that education is akin to marketing. He advocates for gamifying education to increase retention and understanding, particularly in platforms like Roblox which has a large user base. Johnson emphasizes the importance of making AGI accessible and personalized to enhance daily learning and personal growth.
๐ต Jam Galaxy: Music as a Gateway to AGI Understanding
Di Krauss introduces Jam Galaxy, a music platform that uses music as a universal language to engage people in AGI topics. She believes that through music, people can be educated on AGI and start their journey of discovery about their own divine nature. Krauss sees Jam Galaxy as a tool for inclusivity and personal development, using gamification and music to make complex topics accessible.
๐ฎ Navigating the Ethical Considerations of AGI
The panel delves into the ethical considerations of AGI, with Debra highlighting that AGI is neutral and its ethical use depends on the intentions of the users. She warns of potential misuses like disinformation and job loss, advocating for the use of AGI to simulate social structures and predict impacts. The conversation underscores the importance of addressing ethical issues proactively to maximize benefits and minimize harm.
๐ The Importance of Decentralization and Inclusivity in AGI
The panelists agree on the necessity of decentralization and inclusivity in AGI development. Kennedy Shaw stresses the importance of access to data and technology for everyone, especially in the context of personalized medicine. Debra supports this, adding that decentralized AI can unlock talents from diverse backgrounds. The panel discusses the need for open-source, decentralized approaches to ensure a broad understanding and ethical development of AGI.
๐ AGI's Role in Democratizing Access to Knowledge
Randall Kuhna discusses how AGI can democratize access to knowledge, allowing more people to participate in scientific conversations and contribute to AGI development. He cites the Neuromatch Academy as an example of making AI tools accessible for learning in neuroscience. The panel explores the potential of AGI to level the playing field and enable broader participation in science and technology.
๐ฅ The Intersection of AGI and Healthcare Legislation
Joshua Johnson and Kennedy Shaw discuss the slow-moving nature of healthcare and education sectors in relation to AGI. Johnson highlights the challenges of legislation in healthcare and his decision to focus on the more agile gaming industry. Shaw criticizes the FDA's slow regulatory processes and calls for a regulatory framework that can keep pace with technological advancements to maximize benefits across fields.
๐ The Challenge of Balancing AGI Development Speed with Ethical Considerations
The panel concludes with a discussion on the rapid pace of AGI development and the ethical challenges it presents. There is a consensus that while the technology is advancing quickly, it is crucial to maintain a balance and have conversations about its implications. The need for good regulation, ethical considerations, and the inclusion of diverse perspectives is emphasized to ensure AGI development is beneficial and responsible.
Mindmap
Keywords
๐กArtificial Intelligence (AI)
๐กCognitive Neuroscience
๐กWhole Brain Emulation
๐กNeuroscience
๐กEducation
๐กPersonalized Medicine
๐กEthics
๐กInclusivity
๐กBlockchain
๐กGamification
๐กSpatial Web
Highlights
Introduction to the panel discussing the integration of AI in various fields including education, medicine, science, and arts.
Eric Scerri's background in cognitive and social neuroscience and the relevance of trust systems in AI.
Deborah Dang's experience as a computational social scientist and her work on AI for understanding biological and social realms.
Joshua Johnson's diverse background, from pharmaceutical supply chain to focusing on education, gaming, and AI ethics.
Randall Kuna's work on whole brain emulation and the Carbon Copies Foundation's aim to educate and advance technology for mind uploading.
Diane Krauss's vision for a global brain and the Jam Galaxy music platform as a tool for education and inclusivity.
Kennedy Shaw's focus on drug discovery using neurosymbolic AI and crowdsourced human data to combat aging-related diseases.
The importance of diverse data sets in biomedical research for the development of personalized medicine.
Deborah Dang's view on applying AGI to science to create a holistic understanding and combat disinformation.
Randall Kuna's perspective on the connection between AI advances and neuroscience, and the paradigm change in Neuroscience.
Joshua Johnson's emphasis on gamification in education and the retention of information through role-playing in platforms like Roblox.
Kennedy Shaw's discussion on biases in biomedical research and the need for diverse data sourcing to remove bias.
Diane Krauss's thoughts on music as a universal language and Jam Galaxy's role in education and personal growth.
Ethical considerations of AI, including the potential for disinformation, job loss, and changing perceptions of reality.
The role of blockchain in ensuring fair compensation and protection of individual data and intellectual property.
Importance of open source, decentralization, and inclusiveness in ethical development and application of AGI.
Kennedy Shaw's argument for access to education, medicine, arts, and knowledge as a key factor for the success of AGI in biomedical research.
Deborah Dang's emphasis on decentralized AI and science to unlock talents and create a more holistic knowledge base.
Randall Kuna's view on AGI's potential to democratize access to technology and involve more people in ethical considerations.
Joshua Johnson's insights on the slow-moving nature of education and healthcare legislation and the need for balance in AGI development.
The need for good regulatory frameworks that are appropriate for the technological environment to maximize benefits across fields.
Transcripts
welcome to the early stage AI
Technologies in education medicine and
science but it would add Arts as well
because Arts is very important we are
humans are creative beings so it's the
fundamental that makes us human um my
name is uh Eric scen I the moderator of
this panel have a background in
cognitive and social neuroscience and I
study Trust Systems in the brain which
is very relevant for a systems as well
uh because they will develop their own
Trust Systems um I'm a lecturer at the
Hans University in the Netherlands uh so
these topics are actually touching my
personally and um I glad that we have
such a diversive and inclusive panel um
I think that we have a great
conversation the coming 35 minutes
minutes um so what I want to do without
further Ado that everyone is introducing
themselves within 2 minutes so go ahead
uh my name is Deborah dang and I am CTO
of reu
ru. um the uh longevity Network that is
AI power um I've been a computational
social scientist for over 30 years
applying AI to understanding nature
includ biological and social
Realms I am Joshua Johnson hello thank
you so much for having us um we're
looking forward to talking about
education and Science and different
things today I uh have somewhat of a a
balance of a background I started in h
China did my MBA and was in cof farm
which is the largest pharmaceutical
supply chain in the in China so I have
some science background uh but now
focusing on education and gaming so
we're doing uh gaming ging with Sophia
verse and then Jam Galaxy now we're
bringing that to life in Roblox so we've
been focused on Roblox and gaming and
gamifying what that looks like the
future of the world and the spatial web
um and then also very interested in
augmenting human purpose into AI that's
what my thesis way back when talking
about AI ethics kind of before it was a
thing um so that's very interesting to
me and hopefully tomorrow maybe we can
talk about at the unconference I was
talking to Max more about that and um
you know pain to Joy is the curricul
that we have so that process of helping
people in that daily Journey um in their
personal daily daily growth and Lasting
Joy so thank you hi I'm Randall kuna I'm
the founder of the carbon copies
foundation and I'm also originally from
the
Netherlands um I've spent maybe the last
20 or more years uh trying all kinds of
different ways to help Advance work on
so-called whole brain emulation so
getting towards the technology that
allows mind uploading and in our
foundation we try to do this by first of
all educating people about it and
secondly by being a place where we can
find how to put people together into
projects that deal with the most crucial
challenge of this time in that direction
if we want to go in the direction where
we as humans can participate in this
bigger ecosystem of intelligences that's
coming up and I think that uh I don't
know if we're getting to get to it in
this conversation but there are some
really interesting uh new things that
have happened in neuros science because
of the way that artificial intelligence
has allowed us to collect and correct
data so that we now have really large
scale data sets that would actually I
think there's an even odds that we could
for example create an upload an
emulation of a fruit fly right now if we
knew what we were doing using the data
sets that are available from the
complete electron microscopy data stack
of the of the fruit
fly
nice hi um I'm di Krauss and I'm uh
president and co-founder of the jam
Galaxy music platform and I'm also
saxophonist in Des demona's dream and um
it takes me a while to get ready so I'm
kind of halfway there because we have
like rehearsal and soundcheck right
after this and then the show so I hope
you all come I think it's in the
infinity room tonight um but yeah a
little bit of my background um I in in
2011 um I had like a vision downloaded
to me for the global brain and I have to
put this all on paper but um it just in
listening to everybody's conversations I
believe I have a way to to put this all
together so uh and actually working with
you is going to be probably pretty
instrumental in that I think um and uh
I've been studying uh I started studying
artificial intelligence in um uh 2017
and um you know studied really hard and
learned everything I could just so I
could understand it and then like a year
year later I met Ben and uh I I said oh
I have this concept for a global brain
and um he's like oh that's funny I just
wrote this you know paper three weeks
ago about a concept for a global brain
and I'm like okay that's cool and
um so yeah I just I think we're in such
a cool place right now in history and
things are going to be changing so
rapidly but in really good ways um I I
grew up with um a dad who's a rocket
scientist um Ken arism and he built the
Voyager One and Voyager 2 spacecraft um
uh propulsion subsystems and hydren
thrusters and he also worked on the uh
Viking program so uh I've always been a
daughter of the stars and I I really
think about existence as really cool and
I U really see the beauty in everyone
and how everybody is just an absolute
perfect miracle and that's what we need
to remember and that's what artificial
general intelligence is going to help us
remember and I also just heard that
there was a panel that talked about
ancient intelligence and um which is
really cool because I think of AI as
ancient intelligence and it's just a way
it's going to help us tap into all that
there already is that already exists and
um artificial super intelligence already
exists as well so we're just going to be
tapping into that as we move forward and
at pretty quick pace so
um we can build systems though that can
meet people where they're at to start to
understand this
journey and um so yeah I'm just really
excited about this and excited to be
here with all of you what an incredible
event we've put together and what
incredible people to be able to
introduce uh beneficial benevolent
artificial general intelligence to the
universe yeah awesome hi I'm Kennedy
Shaw I'm CEO and founder of ruv biotech
um the sister company to ruv AI um I'm
an evolutionary biologist by training I
was mentored by Michael Rose at UC
Irvine and we are here building a um
drug Discovery platform based on our
neuros symbolic Ai and crowdsourced
human data and with the goal of solving
aging related disease and human
longevity um rev bio is currently doing
a crowdfund the QR code was up there
will be back up there in a bit so you
can link to that if anybody is
interested in learning more about that
so thank you Eric oh thank you uh as you
can see a very diverse panel uh that
that makes the conversation great uh
hopefully um what I find interesting
this topic has already impact on society
uh but also on economy uh as a lecturer
my students asked me how does my uh
future looks like in four to six years
and honestly I don't know because it's
changing the technology is changing so
fast at the moment that what they learn
at the moment is obsolete within four or
five years so it's not the fundamental
crisis that you have in education but we
have to think about this and this is why
I'm great that we have this summmer that
we can have this kind of
discussions um so the main topic is how
can we fac facilitate the roll out of
early stage hii Technologies and
beneficial domains as education medicine
science and art so what I want to do uh
for for example Kennedy what is your
expertise or Vision on on on this topic
um I think uh in the field of biomedical
research um what will be really
important is um ensuring the diversity
of our data sets um one thing that's
really exciting to me about the the ruv
project and being a part of it is that
we have an opportunity to finally gain a
diverse robust human data set to uh use
our AI to um develop uh real life-saving
Pharmaceuticals and in the March towards
personalized medicine that's going to be
crucial because the Paradox of
personalized medicine is that in order
to understand one person really well you
have to understand a lot of people very
well and um we've kind of uh failed in
the biomedical research Community to do
that up until now most human data sets
that we have from Human trials um tend
to be wealthier white people and we
won't be able to have personalized
medicine for everybody unless that
changes and so I think that's really a
crucial thing in the early roll out of
AGI in um biomedical research is making
um it accessible for everybody to
contribute their data making sure that
there is an adequate and appropriate
incentive for people to contribute their
data and um letting them be a part of
the creation of these these products and
this research to um to solve uh aging
and death all right great thank you for
your answer and uh Deborah okay can you
elaborate something on on this topic as
well uh yes um well the most important
thing uh for us to do in the near term
uh is to apply uh AGI to science because
AGI also has the potential for
disinformation and human beings
themselves don't do science very well uh
we can only handle reductionist
information so our job is really to take
all those individual pieces of knowledge
and put it together in a coherent
picture and I believe AGI is what can
help us to be holistic about science and
find uh discover all the causal
mechanisms behind it so that we can take
all these you know scattered small
truths and make larger trues out of them
all right so you form the deterministic
school so to speak
um a little
bit I I don't know I don't see why that
is deterministic I think we have
willpower to um um affect um how things
go for example um you know we may only
have a short time to have control
because we don't have control over ASI
so no well I'm a little bit from the
same school that's why I saying so if
you go then to the other uh realm from
the holy view maybe Randle can say
something about this the holistic view
yeah I don't know if my view is really
holistic but um what I found anyway is
that there's first of all of course
there's a really strong connection
between advances in Ai and AGI
eventually and Neuroscience there's this
virtuous cycle that happens right
because as you learn something in
Neuroscience you find out more about how
cognition is done in the brain and that
helps you come up with parts of this AI
or AGI puzzle that we're still trying to
figure out and AI helps you do things in
science that you otherwise could never
do so it's not that people are being
replaced for example by or at least in
science right now they're not being
replaced by AI it's that the things they
can do are very different right now
you're seeing a huge Paradigm change
begin to happen in Neuroscience for
instance like I was at the uh annual
Neuroscience meeting in November there
30,000 scientists there 90% of the
posters were still all about say you
make a little perturbation here you have
a hypothesis you're testing something up
here doing a prediction that's it you're
not really learning about the system and
how it works but there's a small kernel
of people and that's all you really need
a small kernel and then some
enthusiastic young people who aren't
stuck in whatever their lab's already
doing and so you're seeing that there
are 200 maybe scientists who have
understood that right now we're
switching to a realm where AI is giving
us access to the kind of data that you
need that you can do large scale
reconstructions of circuitry and really
understand what's happening by combining
what's going on in one brain region with
the other brain region and seeing
exactly what's happening so you're not
doing these these correlational studies
but instead when you want to predict
what's going to happen you can follow
how the activity is really moving down
the system you couldn't do this before
so it's changing the nature of what's
possible in Neuroscience it's changing
what new people getting into that field
can do yeah all right great answer um so
Joshua maybe you have something to add
to this well I think I think um to to
always play The Other Side to understand
the um you know here we have the
researchers and brilliant minds but the
average person may not understand how we
are processing this right so I I always
say I me to go back to the the theme of
this education I always say education is
marketing marketing is education so when
we have it for the masses and why we're
doing it in gaming 70 million users a
day in Roblox gamifying that when you
have education and you gamify it and you
gamify it in a way with neuroscience and
different ways to understand information
and you Market it correctly when you
roleplay becoming something like in
Roblox sometimes you show 9 to 11 times
more retention of that information right
so I mean with that number like even if
we have 2X the compounding amount for
Education if it's daily then by the end
of the year I mean you do the math so I
think that's where we see in the future
look at education in a different way a
different light and with the AI applied
to that gamification of these spatial
webs these spatial worlds with the
gaming and the internet combined is what
I call the spatial web now ai helps you
that take that 2x to 3x to 4X and that
when you talk about education and then
now apply it to science and learning
science that is the future and I think
that is a daily augmentation of
understanding yourself and that's why I
go back to pain to Joy and tomorrow
hopefully UNC conference that daily
personal growth of understanding
yourself it is personalized medicine you
know you have that based on you and that
in real time if gamified you're in real
time playing your own world you're in
your own sphere of influence and that's
what's best for you so I think that
that's what it looks like for education
and understanding how we make it
marketable for the average person so for
me to take and synthesize all of this
information which most the world doesn't
understand but if we can synthesize it
in a way that it is marketable and we
can go to market with something that's
different I think that that's actually
unique yeah yeah okay um yeah I
understand that the question that has
some also has some dangers I mean you
look at open AI that just flooded the
floor with all kinds of Technology um uh
we can see that there is biases going on
uh if you look up personal medicine you
have a danger of biases maybe Kennedy
you can uh say something about well yeah
I mean the most um publicly facing
example of this that we've seen recently
is that pulse oximeters don't work on
people with dark skin that's an example
of bias in biomedical research that we
have fallen victim to up until now um
and that's something that we we have to
change I mean if personalized medicine
is going to succeed if we're going to um
create effective therapies that work um
you know on the personal level and for
everybody we need to alleviate that and
I mean I I believe that starts with um
you know how we go about um sourcing our
our data from diverse populations to
help remove that bias and then also
making sure that our our AI models um
control for that bias as well so yeah
yeah so you're touching
inclusivity um so uh maybe you can tell
something about Jam Galaxy and maybe
this is about something about
inclusivity yeah sure I mean the the
great thing about Jam Galaxy is it's
starting with music and everybody loves
music and we are all made of music
together we're music music the whole
universe is music and it's a cool way to
begin because there so many people are
digging into this passion of theirs that
they really enjoy and um through that
process we we can start to educate
people on these topics that we all know
very well and um and also through
gamification as well I I really think
that's a cool way to like just start to
teach and
um and help people understand what's
happening and what can happen and um and
then from there we just kind of we we
just end up on this journey together you
know as I mean I think of us all as like
stars we're each of us is a star and our
relationship to each other is like stars
relating to stars and stuff like that so
um it it starts us on this journey of
discovery of um our own divine nature
and um and where we go with all this we
have AGI and you know an ancient
intelligence here to teach us about how
to do this and it'll be accelerated but
at the same time AI can also help each
individual it will meet them where
they're at to help them on their path so
it's not just like you know here here's
what it is you know that kind of thing
so it's just like asks a bunch of
questions has a really great
conversation um about um you know
discovering your joy discovering what
makes you happy discovering why you are
so special and
um so I um starting with music is just a
really great way to to do that and um
yeah I'm I'm really excited about the
future I think we have a really
beautiful future in store for us all
right yeah thank you um yeah great
answer anyway um so uh it's time thing
to to bring a new topic uh into the
discourse uh and I this is I want to
talk about
ethics um these these domains have huge
impact on the new
generation uh because the students of
today are the leaders of tomorrow um so
how can we navigate the ethical
considerations and maximize the benefits
of AI in these key Industries U maybe I
can start with you
Debra okay um well um AGI is a neutral
technology it can be ethical or
unethical depending on who uses it and
what they use it for um in a sense it's
unethical and that uh it's a power and
it's a power that is can be given to
everybody now and and is dangerous in
the sense of everybody having a nuclear
bomb in their backyard being dangerous
somebody's going to press a button right
so what we have to do to be ethical
about it is address um the possible
things that can go wrong
as soon as possible and one of the main
things that can go wrong is
disinformation uh election tampering uh
job loss and you know just changing our
perceptions of reality and one of the
things we can do to combat that is use
the AGI itself to simulate what happens
to our social structures when they have
uh uh certain um um infrastructure
behind them and who's who's working with
them and how how is it that we can uh
cause a fundamental change in that uh
ru. is working to combine blockchain to
cause a change in that infrastructure so
that uh instead of the rich getting
richer and the poor getting poor that
that labor is cannot be sold uh to other
people so easily that that people can
always expect their
a IP and their data from their bodies to
be protected and that the blockchain
ensures that with every sale of product
that someone contributes to that they
get uh their Fair compensation in
proportion all right thank you um so
Joshua maybe have something to add on
that I think I was talking to Ben about
this um yesterday he's begin to
education and so this I think it starts
with education um we were talking about
uh basically a consumer reports for
education and Tools around AI so
education and from a non-biased point of
view and this with snet being the
largest decentralized ecosystem I think
this is a great uh opportunity to kind
of lead the charge and 100 you know AI
companies out there 100 universities 100
multinationals that support this you
know growing knowing this is the future
of humanity what that looks like so like
almost like a Reddit up voting hey this
is a very decentralized way if I have a
six-year-old and I'm a young single
mother how do I teach my kid AI for
video just to enhance he wants to create
a YouTube channel or Tik Tok right so in
real time you're able to understand um
that Collective force of knowledge and
that enforcement and from a non-biased
point of view and I think that's it's
very important for a ethics so education
being that Focus um and letting the
cream rise to the top and that being the
focus all right thank you um so uh Diane
I see you're nodding so maybe you have
something to add on this
uh yeah I was just thinking about um
just in relation to um educating and
connecting with
people
um with um I lost my train of thought it
was what I was uh thinking about uh
before this but
um
um oh yeah so just um as we get into the
system and as we get into educating I
actually um when my daughters were
really young I I devel I designed an
early childhood development program and
I'm going to launch it at some point but
um it kind of just starts the individual
down the path and so I think it's really
important that um from the start we put
together a system where people own all
of their data they own their music they
own their art they own their attention
also so you like own what you pay
attention to you own a record of your
attention you own the present attention
you own any prediction of attention
based on what you pay attention to and
so I think that that's also a huge thing
that we can start to teach each other
because then they become more aware of
what is actually happening out there in
society and then if we're connected to
um owning that and deciding what we want
to be putting out there and and that
kind of thing then I think that can kind
of help curb that path all right thank
you yeah because we want to to keep the
systems inclusive for everyone so uh so
Randle what's your opinion on that
one yeah so I think that an an
enormously important thing in all types
of Ethics is that you you can't assume
that any one group of people individuals
institutions can understand a problem
can understand something well enough to
even think of all of the ethical issues
that might be involved or how to tackle
those matters so that's where we kind of
come back to a topic from yesterday
which was openness decentralization open
source all of those aspects that put
more eyes onto something because as
we've seen over history as our our own
sort of human civilization moral values
and ethics have grown this has come
largely by being more in contact with
others outside of our limited Circle so
with getting other people included into
the conversation those you might not
think of so we had for example you just
mentioned this issue of dark skin right
so it's really a matter of inclusiveness
and openness that's the way to get
closer to a better understanding
especially if we're not just looking at
say Ethics in terms of the development
of AGI but we're also talking about
ethics of the people who are being
impacted by it by society as large or
patients in the case of medical
technology for example so there are just
so many different groups and you really
have to open it up yeah yeah all right
thank you uh what that brings me on uh
one of the classic ethical dilemmas and
also one of the most complex one and it
is the access to education access to
medicines exent access to Arts uh and
and access to to knowledge so Kennedy
can you say something about that because
I know that you have an opinion on
that right so um so yes access is very
very important and you know as I keep
hammering this this uh this thought
about what's going to make personalized
medicine work and that's in including
everybody and that starts with making
sure that everybody has access like
everybody you know needs to have an
access point to to contribute their data
to own their data um which starts with
you you know internet access for
everybody everybody having some kind of
a a computer or device that they can
they can um use to you know own their
data own their money own their their um
own their labor and be able to have
agency and um and authority over what is
done with that data as well that is
Paramount and that is really where like
the revolution particularly in in AGI
for biom research is going is going to
come and that's how we're going to you
know come up with beneficial treatments
for various diseases faster with a
reduced failure rate get across that
translational value of death going from
the lab to the clinic and um it's it it
is absolutely Paramount that this is for
everybody and that we stop siloing data
and siloing information with big
multinational corporations with big
Pharma companies decentralization is is
key and being in inclusivity and access
is
Paramount yes thank you um so maybe
Debra you have to something as ADD as
well to this I completely agree with
Kennedy but I would also like to add
that it's not just decentralized data
but decentralized AI for decentralized
science that we must include everybody's
contribution and if we unlock um the
talents of people who you know have been
suppressed because of their demography
or their educational background and we
include them in there then we have all
the more knowledge with which to put
together and do holistic pictures yeah
okay that makes sense um so that yeah so
uh how do we see how could AGI
contribute uh to increase this access
I'm looking at you Randall sorry yeah um
how AGI can contribute to access well in
the domains that we talk about yeah so
so in order to to improve ethics for
example in in the development of AGI
itself um I think in part it can do so
by making it possible for people to
participate that otherwise wouldn't
because they would have to spend
enormous amount of time studying how to
have the skills to do very mundane
things just to be able to be involved at
all in the conversation but instead
through the use of AGI as a way to pull
together knowledge get better access to
that knowledge apply it you you make
this available to many more people a
great example actually has been for
example the neurom match Academy so one
of the most wonderful uh neuroscientists
that I've worked with is Conrad cording
at University of Pennsylvania and uh he
has really emphasized not just what
neuroscientists are doing wrong right
now and how we should be working instead
but he's also uh Been instrumental in
creating this neurom match Academy which
is free to all you can just participate
online you spend a few weeks working
there and learning how to use machine
learning an AI in Neuroscience in this
case right so you could do this for
other Sciences as well so this is this
is kind of democratizing the access to
those Technologies and bringing people
in who otherwise wouldn't have known
about it wouldn't have known how to
apply it to their problems wouldn't have
even thought about it but because
they're becoming involved they're also
going to start thinking about issues
related to AI because they're now really
dealing with it they're touching it
every day so that was a fantastic
experience helping to lecture there yeah
okay thank you and um Joshua what is
your vision on this one no it's
interesting I think education and
Healthcare are the two slowest moving in
terms of legislation legislation is
going to be a part of um that of course
it's funny because that's why I stayed
in China as the healthc care side sign a
form we the only a public private party
to connect to the Chinese FDA for the
Health Data so knowing that in to end um
was a whole system that I thought of but
it basically knew that legislation would
just wa took way too long but being able
to control more of it in the gaming side
that's more realistic for me anyway so
being able to see that it come to life
with just the internet connection that's
why with a Roblox it's low poly it
basically doesn't even need a smartphone
and your access to those 70 million kids
a day is actually very tangible in terms
of being able to communicate and have
that gameification and with that form of
gameification in the future as 5 10
years out with
you know spatial web you have apple
Vision Pro and various things in
different contexts physical non-physical
online offline I think they're going to
take on a new realm of what is reality
right and that new reality will be able
to help education help science in a
different way that we've yet even begun
to see we honestly can't even fathom it
so I think that with that I think that's
the next Frontier in education is for
what I can see tangibly being able to to
to to do now because of
legislation slowing things up that's why
I actually exited um Healthcare um but I
can control more of it in this side so
that is interesting to see kind of the
Paradigm of both sides you know and that
AI education I think in terms of
marketing is education education is
marketing if we can reach the masses in
a way that we articulate that balance so
anything good taken to the extreme can
be bad as long as we understand that
balance I think that'll be the key okay
and based on your answer then I have a
question also for others but uh should
we accelerate or slowing down the
development of
ACI well no I think that I I for for me
it's like any press is good press it's
like so if we basically continue on this
conversation of we're here today because
we're having this conversation and we're
having and communicating around this so
for me having this where the people may
not even understand what we're up
against and there may be something that
we have to slow down right but since
we're having that conversation if we
don't actually bring it to the table and
communicate we have to understand that
balance so what is what is that extreme
and we have to understand the data one
way or another and so that extremeness
we just have we have to see this is the
extreme this is the extreme and then the
balance of the two and that's what I
think that we're here today I know this
particular conversation in this
particular audience with this particular
demographic may think one way and then
we have you know the other side but we
have to take a balance of all of it we
can't just be biased because we have
this set of people in this set structure
because you know collectively we think
this way but other people in the world
may think differently so those also have
unique Minds so how do we balance all of
it yeah but yeah but that that brings uh
challenges to the table because science
is very slow the whole system is based
on per you it takes some years to to
publish stuff education sometimes is
very conservative and now the
acceleration is going so fast that um
these domains can keep up so actually
you're creating not even a gap but even
a void uh so that's a real challenge so
maybe Kennedy you can say something
about this oh yeah and I think um I
think the the real basis for for solving
those issues comes with um good
regulation a good regulatory framework I
mean in in our case with with biomedical
research like the FDA is so slow and
getting um trials approved medicine
approved all of that is is just a
nightmare of red tape I mean from the um
you know aging related disease
perspective you can't even file for a
trial or a or a pilot for an aging
related disease you have to have a
specific disease indication well 90% of
chronic diseases is caused by the aging
process so if you are able to conduct a
trial that looks more like aspects of
Aging you could solve multiple diseases
at once but no that would be too
efficient I guess um so you we're still
stuck in this like traditional way of
going after one one disease indication
and then hoping it has anti-aging or
regenerative side effects which is just
like it's so it's so slow so I think
that the um the the answer to this issue
starts with a a um regulatory framework
that is appropriate for the um
technological environment that we're
facing and how it can maximally benefit
all these fields well thank you for your
answer I think this is a great uh final
word because I have the message that we
have to stop and you go to lunch uh I
hope you find this uh 35 minutes
insightful um and maybe with it will
bring further discussions on later on
thank you very
much thank you
[Applause]
[Music]
Browse More Related Video
GEF Madrid 2024: Ethical implications of AI
GEF Madrid 2024: Panel: Students's view of the Future on Education
GEF Madrid 2024: Globalising Education with AI
GEF Madrid 2024: AI's role in Student Wellbeing
GEF Madrid 2024: Navigating AI Legal Frontiers
Panel: The Importance of AI-Literacy for AI in Education
5.0 / 5 (0 votes)