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Vicente Panuccio
28 May 201312:32

Summary

TLDRThe speaker elaborates on the central idea of genetic epistemology, emphasizing that knowledge arises from actions on objects rather than being a direct copy of them. They clarify misconceptions about being an empiricist or innatist, advocating for constructivism. The speaker illustrates the continuous creative process of knowledge through examples of children's drawings and the historical development of mathematics. They also discuss operational structures, defined as systems of transformations executed by the subject, and how these structures are not abstract theories but practical abilities that children develop.

Takeaways

  • 🧠 The central idea of genetic epistemology is often misunderstood, with some viewing it as empiricism or even neo-behaviorism because it emphasizes knowledge starting from actions on objects.
  • 🔄 There is a distinction between acting on objects and deriving knowledge from objects, which is a common confusion.
  • 🏗️ Knowledge is not a preformed entity but is continually constructed through interaction with reality, indicating a constructivist view.
  • 🎨 Children's drawings illustrate that knowledge is not a mere copy of what is observed but an interpretation integrated into the child's existing structures.
  • 📏 An example of a child's drawing of a diamond shows that children draw their understanding, not a direct copy of the object.
  • 🤔 The child's interpretation of shapes and their transformations shows that knowledge is not just about observables but also about assimilation and interpretation.
  • 🚫 The speaker is neither an empiricist, who believes knowledge is a functional copy of objects, nor a nativist, who believes knowledge is innate.
  • 🔢 The history of science, especially mathematics, is a continuous construction process, not a discovery of preformed knowledge.
  • 🧩 Children's understanding of concepts like the conservation of length is built gradually and is not innate, showing that even basic concepts are constructed.
  • 🔄 The concept of 'operative structures' refers to systems of transformations performed by the subject, which can be composed and reversed, like addition and subtraction.
  • 👶 For young children, structures are not abstract theories but practical capabilities that they have acquired and can apply, such as sorting objects into categories.

Q & A

  • What is the central idea of the speaker's genetic epistemology?

    -The central idea is that knowledge is constructed through continuous interaction with reality, not preformed in objects or the subject, and involves ongoing creativity and self-organization.

  • Why does the speaker argue against being labeled as an empiricist?

    -The speaker argues against being an empiricist because they believe knowledge is not a mere copy of objects but an assimilation and interpretation integrated into the subject's pre-existing structures.

  • How does the speaker differentiate between an empiricist and their constructivist view?

    -The speaker differentiates by stating that while empiricists believe knowledge is a functional copy of objects, they see it as an assimilation process where the object is interpreted and integrated into the subject's structures.

  • What example does the speaker use to illustrate the difference between seeing and knowing in children?

    -The speaker uses the example of children drawing, where children do not draw what they see but rather what they know or interpret, showing that knowledge is not a direct copy of observable reality.

  • Why does the speaker refute the idea of being a nativist or innatist?

    -The speaker refutes nativism or innatism because they believe knowledge is constructed through actions and interactions, not pre-existing in the mind or biologically innate.

  • How does the speaker demonstrate the constructed nature of knowledge in the history of science?

    -The speaker uses the history of mathematics, showing how concepts like integers and irrational numbers were not known from the start but were constructed over centuries, indicating knowledge is not preformed.

  • What is the significance of the child's drawing of a rhombus as a square with points in the speaker's argument?

    -The child's drawing illustrates that knowledge is interpretative and not a direct replication of reality, supporting the speaker's argument against empiricism and nativism.

  • What does the speaker mean by 'structures' in the context of genetic epistemology?

    -The speaker refers to 'structures' as systems of transformations executed by the subject, which are actions that can be composed and are reversible, like addition and subtraction.

  • How does the speaker define 'structure' in relation to a child's understanding?

    -The speaker defines 'structure' as what the child knows how to do, not what they think. It's an ensemble of coordinated abilities the child has acquired, rather than an abstract theory.

  • What is the role of operational structures in the child's learning process according to the speaker?

    -Operational structures play a crucial role as they are the systems of transformations that the child executes, which are then coordinated and allow for deductions and learning from actions.

  • How does the speaker illustrate the construction of knowledge in children through actions and not just observation?

    -The speaker illustrates this through experiments where children's actions, such as manipulating a string or arranging sticks, show they are constructing knowledge through their interactions, not just observing.

Outlines

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🤔 Understanding Genetic Epistemology and Constructivism

The speaker clarifies misconceptions about their genetic epistemology, emphasizing that knowledge does not merely copy or extract from objects but is an interactive process. They argue against being labeled as an empiricist or a neo-empiricist, as they believe knowledge is not a simple reflection of reality but involves the subject's action on objects. The speaker identifies as a constructivist, suggesting that knowledge is continuously constructed through interaction with reality, not preformed within either the subject or the objects. They illustrate this with the example of children's drawings, showing that children do not simply copy what they see but interpret and assimilate it into their existing knowledge structures. The speaker also critiques the empiricist view that knowledge is a functional copy of objects, using the example of a child's drawing of a diamond to show that children draw based on their understanding, not a direct observation.

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🧠 The Constructive Nature of Knowledge and Operational Structures

The speaker discusses the constructive nature of knowledge, arguing against the idea that it is innate or preformed, as suggested by some theories. They use the history of mathematics to illustrate how knowledge is built up gradually over time, with concepts like natural numbers, integers, and irrational numbers being developed through centuries of effort. The speaker also introduces the concept of operational structures, which are systems of transformations executed by the subject, and can be composed to form closed systems. They give examples of reversible operations like addition and subtraction. The speaker refutes the claim that structures exist only in the mind of the observer, not in the child's mind, by defining structure as what the child can do, not what they think. They emphasize that while the child does not have a theoretical understanding of these structures, they exhibit coordinated actions that allow them to draw deductions, as demonstrated in an example of seriation.

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👶 Development of Operational Structures in Children

The speaker explores how operational structures are formed in children, starting with the pre-operational stage where children can only make simple distinctions between small and large objects. They present an example of a child, Barbara, who is 3 years and 6 months old, and demonstrates her ability to sort sticks into small and large groups. The speaker explains that at this stage, children do not yet engage in operations but rather make basic categorizations. This example serves to illustrate the developmental process of how children gradually build up their operational structures, moving from simple categorizations to more complex operations as they grow and learn.

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Keywords

💡Epistemology

Epistemology is the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature and scope of knowledge. In the video, the speaker discusses genetic epistemology, which emphasizes the development of knowledge through the interaction of the subject with the objects in the world. It is central to understanding how knowledge is not simply a passive reception of information but an active construction through action and experience.

💡Constructivism

Constructivism is the theory that knowledge is constructed by the learner through new information and experiences. The speaker identifies as a constructivist, arguing that knowledge is continuously built through interaction with reality, rather than being preformed in the objects or the subject. This concept is illustrated through examples such as children's drawings, which show how children interpret and assimilate what they see rather than copying it exactly.

💡Empiricism

Empiricism is a philosophical theory that knowledge arises from experience and the senses. The speaker contrasts constructivism with empiricism, arguing that knowledge is not merely a copy of the objects perceived but involves interpretation and integration into the subject's existing structures. Empiricists might view knowledge as a functional copy of reality, but the speaker refutes this by showing how children's drawings are not direct copies but interpretations.

💡Action

In the context of the video, action refers to the active engagement of the subject with the world, which is essential for the construction of knowledge. The speaker clarifies that action is not the same as passive observation; it involves the subject's interaction with objects, leading to the creation of knowledge. This is exemplified by the child's drawing of a diamond, which is not a passive copy but an active interpretation based on the child's understanding.

💡Interaction

Interaction is a key concept in the video, highlighting the dynamic relationship between the subject and the objects in the world. The speaker argues that knowledge is not a one-way process but results from the continuous interaction between the subject and the environment. This interaction leads to the creation of knowledge through the subject's actions and the environment's responses.

💡Creativity

Creativity is discussed as an ongoing process in the construction of knowledge. The speaker emphasizes that knowledge is not preformed but is continuously created through new interactions with reality. This creativity is evident in the child's drawing, where the child does not simply copy what is seen but creates a new representation based on their understanding and ideas.

💡Assimilation

Assimilation, in the video, refers to the process by which new information is integrated into the subject's existing cognitive structures. The speaker uses this term to explain how children do not merely copy what they see but interpret and assimilate it into their own understanding, as demonstrated by the child's drawing of a diamond as a square with points.

💡Observables

Observables are the aspects of reality that can be perceived through the senses. The speaker critiques the idea that knowledge is solely based on observables, arguing that knowledge always involves interpretation and assimilation into the subject's cognitive structures. This is shown in the child's drawing, where the child's interpretation of a diamond is not a direct observable but a conceptualized form.

💡Structures

Structures, in this context, refer to the organized systems of transformations or actions that the subject can perform. The speaker discusses how these structures are not abstract concepts but are the coordinated abilities that the subject has acquired, which can be formulated into laws by theorists but are concrete actions for the subject.

💡Operative Structures

Operative structures are the systems of transformation executed by the subject, which are extensions of the subject's actions. The speaker explains that these structures are not just in the mind of the observer but are what the child knows how to do, as evidenced by their actions. These structures are demonstrated through the child's ability to perform and deduce consequences from their actions, such as in the example of the child's understanding of the length of a string.

💡Preoperational Stage

The preoperational stage refers to a phase in cognitive development before the child has developed the ability to perform operations or logical reasoning. In the video, the speaker describes how young children at this stage can only make simple distinctions, like pairing small and large objects, as seen in the example of the child arranging sticks into 'little' and 'big' groups.

Highlights

The central idea of genetic epistemology is often misunderstood.

The speaker is neither an empiricist nor a nativist but a constructivist.

Knowledge is seen as continuous construction through interaction with reality, not preformed.

The speaker argues against the empiricist view that knowledge is a functional copy of objects.

Knowledge is an assimilation and interpretation integrated into the subject's prior structures.

The example of children's drawing illustrates that children draw their interpretation, not what they see.

Even simple geometric shapes are interpreted by children based on their understanding, not just copied.

The speaker refutes the nativist or innatist view with the historical construction of mathematical concepts.

Mathematics is built up gradually, not present implicitly from birth.

The construction of knowledge is demonstrated through the example of a child's understanding of a string's length.

The concept of conservation is not naturally understood by children and is constructed over time.

The speaker introduces the concept of operational structures as systems of transformation executed by the subject.

Operations are reversible actions such as addition and subtraction.

The speaker addresses the criticism that structures exist only in the mind of the observer, not the child.

Structures are defined by what the child can do, not by their theoretical understanding.

The child's actions are coordinated, and they can draw consequences from them, indicating an internal structure.

The construction of a structure is observed in how young children sort objects into pairs of small and large.

The example of Barbara, a 3-year-old, demonstrates the pre-operational level of sorting.

Transcripts

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j'aimerais dire d'abord deux mots de

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l'idée centrale de notre épistémologie

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génétique parce que

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est presque toujours mal comprise les

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uns me prennent pour un empiriste et

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même pour un néobévuriste comme l'a fait

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Berlin parce que je soutiens que la

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connaissance part de l'action exercée

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sur les objets or une action sur les

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objets c'est pas du tout la même chose

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que tirer la connaissance des objets

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eux-même il y a donc là une première

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confusion les autres me trouvent au

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contraire

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néomaturationiste ou même inéiste étant

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donné que je fais appel à l'action du

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sujet mais ils oublient que l'action du

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sujet c'est justement une action sur les

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objets qui a par conséquent interaction

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et pas action à sens unique autrement

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dit je ne suis ni empiriste ni

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inéiste mais je suis

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constructiviste c'est-à-dire que je

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pense que la connaissance est à faire de

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continuelles constructions nouvelles par

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interaction avec le réel et ne sont pas

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préformés il y a créativité continuelle

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j'aimerais donc montrer en quoi la

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connaissance n'est pas préformée ni dans

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les objets ni dans le sujet mais qui a

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toujours

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auto-organisation et par conséquent une

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continuelle construction et con et

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reconstruction et bien pourquoi ne

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suis-je pas empiriste

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l'empiriste pense que la connaissance

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est une sorte de copie des objets une

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copie fonctionnelle comme disait Hull or

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ça n'est jamais une copie elle est

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toujours une assimilation c'est-à-dire

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une

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interprétation par intégration de

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l'objet dans des structures antérieures

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du sujet le meilleur exemple qu'on

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puisse donner pour justifier cette thèse

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c'est l'étude du dessin lui-même chez

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l'enfant étant donné que le dessin par

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définition est une copie d'un modèle et

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bien ce qu'on observe chez le jeune

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enfant c'est que l'enfant ne dessine pas

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ce qu'il voit il dessine l'idée qui s'en

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fait il dessine ce qu'il en sait

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c'est-à-dire son interprétation et non

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pas l'objet tel quel en tant

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qu'observable percepti prenez par

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exemple la copie d'un losange je demande

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à l'enfant de copier ça voilà le modèle

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et ben pour l'enfant le losange c'est un

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carré qui a des pointes alors voyez le

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résulta il vous dessine un carré avec

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une pointe dessus ou bien il vous

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dessine un carré avec une pointe à côté

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vous allez voir maintenant une première

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expérience c'est une petite fille nommée

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Emmanuel qui a 3 ans 6 mois et qui va

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copier devant vous un

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triangle voilà

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ce triangle le conçoit comme une sorte

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de carré auquel elle rajoute TR

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pointes des pointes qui sont d'ailleurs

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arrondies pas pointu mais qui représent

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dans son esprit elle le dit trois

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pointes autrement dit critique de

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l'empirisme la connaissance n'est jamais

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uniquement moulée sur les observables

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elle ne consiste pas en observable pur

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mais toujours en

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interprétation par assimilation à des

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structures

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préalable d'autre part pourquoi ne

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suis-je pas inéiste ou a oriste et bien

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prenez l'histoire des sciences toute

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l'histoire des mathématiques est une

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construction continuelle en partant des

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nombres naturels 1 2 3 4 il a fallu des

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siècles pour construire l'ensemble des

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nombres entiers avec les négatifs en

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partant des rationnels il a fallu

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attendre jusqu'à Pythagore pour

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découvrir les

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irrationnels ça signifie que ces

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connaissances ont été construites elles

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ne sont pas préform mais si on les

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croyait préformé comme le pense schomski

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avec sa candeur biologique et bien il

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faudrait penser que les mathématiques

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sont déjà là d'une manière implicite ou

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il né chez le bébé mais pas seulement

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chez le bébé chez l'animal il faudrait

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monter jusqu'aux invertébrés et au

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protosoè pour y voir la source des

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mathématique en réalité les

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mathématiques chez l'enfant on y assiste

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dans un jour à l'autre sont sans cesse

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construites par les actions du sujet ell

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procèdent à partir de la coordination

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des actions du sujet de la logique de

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l'action du sujet et alors

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euh de ce point de vue il lui faut tout

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construire et même les choses qui nous

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paraissent les plus évidentes pour nous

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il doit les construire je vous donnerai

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un petit exemple ou plutôt vous allez

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assister à

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l'expérience avec un enfant on montre à

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un enfant une ficelle qui présente cette

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configuration on lui demande ce qui se

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passe si on tire de ce côté-là ben il

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comprend très bien que si on allonge de

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ce côté on va raccourcir de ce côté

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apparemment il a tout compris mais si

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vous lui demandez est-ce que la longueur

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totale est la même dans les deux figures

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ou bien la même que dans le je témoins

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que vous allez voir dans l'expérience

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qu'on va faire à l'instant et bien il ni

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la conservation ça n'est pas la même

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longueur totale quand même il a compris

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une partie de la transformation et bien

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que même une conservation au CH

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élémentaire ne soit construite que vers

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7 ou 8 ans vous montre combien il y a

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d'écart entre Liné d'un côté et puis ce

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qui est peu à peu élaboré construit

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organisé par lej

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there

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so

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yes l to now the twos long ok now this

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here now then listen to this if I p this

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like this

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and that will be little where will it be

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little there and where will it be big

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there ok there it will be big and here

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it will be little ok so shall we do it

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yes there is it is that right good now

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tell me this this string from this end

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to this end is it still just as long as

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that one is it not just as long as that

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one

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not just as long as that one it is not

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just as long as that one

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and what if we put this one back as it

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was before how will it be if we pull

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here again this one will be like this

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one this one will be like this one and

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where will the big part

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be there yes and where will the little

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part be there okay so we pull like that

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and now the string from this end to that

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end is it just as long

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non

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non disons maintenant quelques mots des

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structures des structures opératoires

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j'entends par là des systèmes de

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transformation exécutés par le sujet

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donc le prolongement des action du sujet

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mais de transformations qui peuvent se

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composer entre elles et donner système

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fermé exemple une classification ou bien

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une sériation dont vous verrez tout à

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l'heure un exemple expérimentmental

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ou bien une table à double entré ou tout

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ce que vous voulez et pour ce qui est

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des opérations je les définirai comme

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des transformations ou actions du sujet

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et qui peuvent être retournés qui sont

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réversibles exemple l'addition dans

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l'inverse la soustraction

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or nous avons étudié longuement les

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structures ds les stades la des avant

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langage à partir du langage une

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objection continuelle que on nous fait

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surtout chez les

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angloaxons c'est que la structure

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n'existe que dans l'esprit de

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l'Observateur du psychologue et que la

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structure n'est pas comme telle dans

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l'esprit de l'enfant et bien à cela j'ai

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une réponse qui me paraît bonne c'est

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que je définis la structure comme étant

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ce que l'enfant sait faire et non pas ce

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qu'il en pense il ne fait pas du tout

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lui-même une théorie de la structure

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bien entendu mais il exécute des actions

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et nous constatons nous que ce qu'il

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sait faire dans ces actions est bien

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coordonné et surtout que cela lui permet

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d'en tirer par déduction des

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conséquences auxquelles il n'avait pas

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pensé comme nous allons le voir tout à

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l'heure à propos de la serériation

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autrement dit la structure c'est en fait

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un ensemble de pouvoirs coordonné que le

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sujet a acquis et danst le théoricien

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peut formuler les lois d'une manière

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abstraite mais dans l'esprit de l'enfant

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ça n'a rien d'abstrait ça n'a même rien

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de théorique c'est l'ensemble de ses

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pouvoirs coordonnés entre eux nous

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allons

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constater d'abord voir comment se

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constitue une structure laation

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[Applaudissements]

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les jeunes enfants antérieurement aux

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opérations au niveau préopératoire se

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born à faire des couples des petits et

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des grands et le premier des sujets que

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vous allez voir Barbara 3 ans 6 mois se

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borne à disposer ses bâtons qu'en petit

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et en grand

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the little ones go there h and the big

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ones well then put

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them can you show me once again a little

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louder the big ones here the big ones

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here big ones here big ones here the

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little ones here yes that's

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fine you put the big ones here and then

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the little ones here HM that's fine

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