Growing Your Horus Heresy Army Poorly

Summary

В этом видео автор обсуждает обходные пути при создании армии в игре 'Горус Херси', предупреждая о некоторый неуместных покупках и выборах, которые могут замедлить процесс игры. Он подчёркивает важность планирования и выбора подходящих единиц, чтобы быстро и эффективно сформировать армию. Также автор делится своими впечатлениями о различных моделях, таких как 'Macedon' и 'Typhon', и их ценности на поле боя, предлагая предварительно составить списки и экспериментировать, прежде чем приступить к покупкам.

Takeaways

• 🚀 В видео обсуждается не только то, что следует делать при создании армии в игре 'Хорус Херси', но и то, что стоит избегать.
• 🛡️ Некоторые модели, такие как 'Kratos Assault Tank', не рекомендуется покупать сразу после начала игры.
• 🎨 Для тех, кто интересуется только хобби и краской моделей, правила выбора армии могут отличаться от тех, кто стремится быстро сыграть в игру.
• 💡 Важно учитывать, что некоторые оружия не совместимы с определенными моделями брони, например, тяжелые вооружения для 'Mark 6 Heavy Support Squad' не подходят для 'Mark 3'.
• 💰 Покупка 'Mark 6 Heavy Support Squad' может быть дорогой инвестицией, и ее стоимость может быть неоправданной для некоторых игроков.
• 🛒 Рекомендуется избегать покупки дорогостоящих 'super heavies' от Forge World, так как они могут быть неэффективными в игре.
• 🚗 Вместо 'super heavies' стоит сосредоточиться на более доступных и эффективных единицах, таких как 'Rhinos', 'Predators' и 'Land Raiders'.
• ⚔️ 'Tactical Support Squad' не является хорошим выбором в текущем правиле игры, так как они не имеют правила 'line' и не могут захватывать цели.
• 📝 Перед покупкой моделей рекомендуется составлять списки и экспериментировать, чтобы определить, какие единицы будут эффективными в армии.
• 🔢 При планировании армии важно учитывать стоимость очков и эффективность единиц, некоторые могут быть неоправданно дорогими или слабыми.
• ✍️ Автор подчеркивает важность планирования и составления списков перед покупкой моделей, чтобы избежать ненужных расходов и неэффективных стратегий.

Q & A

Что обсуждалось в предыдущем видео о Войне Хоруса?

В предыдущем видео обсуждался выбор легиона для начала игры в Войну Хоруса.

Кому адресовано текущее видео?

Видео адресовано людям, которые хотят как можно быстрее собрать играбельную армию и играть в игры.

Почему не стоит сразу покупать Kratos Assault Tank?

Kratos Assault Tank не стоит покупать сразу, так как это нецелесообразная трата денег для начинающих игроков, которые хотят быстро собрать играбельную армию.

Какие комплекты оружия подходят для Mark VI Power Armor?

Комплекты тяжелого оружия подходят для Mark VI Power Armor, но не для Mark III или Mark IV Power Armor.

Почему важно учитывать соответствие оружия и доспехов?

Важно учитывать соответствие оружия и доспехов, чтобы не тратить деньги на несовместимые компоненты, что особенно критично для тематических армий.

Какие танки стоит избегать при начале игры в Войну Хоруса?

Стоит избегать покупки супер тяжелых танков, таких как Macedon, Felsion, Typhon и других, так как они слишком дорогие и неэффективные на поле боя для начинающих.

Какие танки рекомендуется использовать в начале игры?

Рекомендуется использовать Rhinos, Predators и Land Raiders, а также Saccharins, которые скоро появятся в пластике.

Почему Tactical Support Squads не являются хорошим выбором?

Tactical Support Squads не являются хорошим выбором, так как они не имеют способности захвата целей (line) и, следовательно, не могут участвовать в захвате и удержании целей в игре.

Какой важный аспект стоит учитывать при выборе прав войны (rites of war)?

Важно учитывать, что некоторые права войны делают отряды troops, но не делают их line, что означает, что они не могут захватывать цели.

Какие советы даны по планированию покупок и составлению армии?

Советуется писать несколько списков армии до покупки моделей, пробовать проксировать и экспериментировать, чтобы понять, какие юниты действительно нужны, а также избегать покупки неподходящих и неэффективных моделей.

Outlines

00:00

🤔Планирование неудачного старта в Horus Heresy

В этом параграфе обсуждается неудачное планирование в игре Horus Heresy, с акцентом на том, что некоторые решения могут быть не самыми мудрыми. Рассматривается покупка Kratos Assault Tank и предупреждается о его непригодности для начинающих. Также упоминается ошибка покупки тяжелых огнеметов для Mark III, которые не подходят для этого типа брони. Автор подчеркивает важность учета совместимости вооружения с бронебойными единицами и предупреждает о финансовых затратах на покупку ненужных вещей, таких как специальные вооружения и переносные наборы для двух легионов.

05:01

💸Покупка дорогостоящих танков и неэффективных единиц

Автор обсуждает покупку дорогих танков Forge World, таких как Macedon, и указывает на их низкую эффективность на игровом поле. Он рекомендует игнорировать некоторые модели, так как они не позволяют использовать в игре. Также обсуждается покупка легионных костей и трансферов, и автор предупреждает о том, что некоторые единицы, такие как Legion Tactical Support Squad, не являются хорошим выбором с точки зрения правил игры, поскольку они не могут захватывать цели и не являются линейными единицами.

10:01

❗Внимание к правилу 'Линия' и стратегии покупок

В этом параграфе подчёркивается важность учета правила 'Линия' при построении армии для игры Horus Heresy. Автор дает советы по тому, как правильно составлять армии, чтобы избежать ненужных покупок и неэффективных единиц. Он также говорит о том, что некоторые легионы имеют особенности, которые делают определенные типы единиц непригодными для использования в качестве линейных, что может привести к проблемам с захватом целей в игре. Также автор рекомендует писать списки и экспериментировать с различными вариантами состава армии, прежде чем приступать к покупке моделей.

15:03

🎨Финансовое планирование и строительство армии

Автор делится своими мыслями о том, как важно планировать покупки и строительство армии, учитывая стоимость и эффективность моделей. Он говорит о том, что некоторые модели могут быть круто выглядеть, но неэффективны в игре, и что важно избегать покупки таких единиц. Также автор делится своими планами по созданию армии Саламандеров, которые он купил в рамках игры, и говорит о прогрессе строительства и окрашивания моделей, что демонстрирует, что он следует собственным советам о планировании и размышлениях перед покупкой и строительством армии.

Keywords

💡Horus Heresy

Хорус Heresy - это тематика видео, связанная с игрой в миниатюры, где игроки строят армии на основе различных легионов из вселенной Warhammer 40,000. В видео обсуждается, как не мудро строить армии, предупреждая о некоторой стратегической ошибки, которую можно совершить при сборе армий.

💡Legion

Легион в контексте видео - это один из военачальных подразделений Империи в игре Horus Heresy. Каждый легион имеет свои уникальные особенности и войска, которые игроки могут собирать и использовать в своих армиях.

💡Mark 6 Heavy Support Squad

Mark 6 Heavy Support Squad - это тип войск в игре Horus Heresy, имеющий специализированное вооружение и определенные особенности в бою. В видео упоминается, что они могут быть дорогим и не всегда оптимальным выбором для строительства армии.

💡Forge World

Forge World - это подразделение Games Workshop, отвечающее за производство и разработку дополнительных моделей и уникальных вариантов войск для игр Warhammer и Horus Heresy. В видео обсуждается, какие именно модели могут быть неоптимальными для покупки из-за их стоимости и эффективности в игре.

💡Rhinos, Predators, Land Raiders

Rhinos, Predators и Land Raiders - это типы танков в игре Horus Heresy, которые являются более распространенными и доступными вариантами по сравнению с супертяжелыми танками Forge World. В видео рекомендуется уделять предпочтение этим моделям при строительстве армии.

💡Line Units

Line Units - это один из типов подразделений в Horus Heresy, которые имеют определенные правила и способности в игре, включая возможность захвата и охраны целей на поле боя. В видео упоминается, что не все войска, которые могут быть включены в армию, являются line units и это важно при планировании армии.

💡Tactical Support Squad

Tactical Support Squad - это тип подразделения в игре, который может быть использован в различных стратегических целях. Однако, в видео указывается, что в текущих правилах они не являются line units и, следовательно, не могут захватывать цели, что делает их менее предпочтительными для игроков, стремящихся к эффективному строительству армии.

💡Points Values

Points Values - это система оценки стоимости войск в игре Horus Heresy, которая определяет, сколько очков игрок может потратить на каждое подразделение. В видео обсуждается, что некоторые войска могут быть нерациональными выборами из-за их низкой эффективности в сравнении с другими подразделениями с более высокими points values.

💡Rules Oversight

Rules Oversight - это ситуация, когда правила игры не рассматривают определенные аспекты или вводят несоответствия, которые могут привести к неравномерности или неэффективности определенных стратегий или войск. В видео упоминается, что некоторые войска, такие как Legion Tactical Support Squad, имеют более низкую стоимость очков, чем другие, что может быть результатом rules oversight.

💡Ad-libbed

Ad-libbed - это термин, обозначающий то, что речь или действие не были заранее написаны и были вымышлены в реальном времени. В видео упоминается, что большинство видео на канале создается в таком стиле, что подчеркивает свободный и неожиданный характер обсуждения.

Highlights

Discussing the importance of planning out a force in the Horus Heresy game wisely to avoid common pitfalls.

Mentioning the Kratos Assault Tank as an example of a unit not to purchase immediately due to its limitations.

Highlighting the issue with the Mark 6 Heavy Support Squad's weaponry not being compatible with other armor types.

Warning about the high cost of certain units like the Macedon and their limited effectiveness on the tabletop.

Advising against purchasing super-heavy vehicles for new players due to their cost and limited utility.

Suggesting that Rhinos, Predators, and Land Raiders are more practical choices for building a viable army.

Explaining the importance of units being able to score in games that revolve around objectives.

Discussing the limitations of the Tactical Support Squad in the current rules and their inability to score.

Pointing out the discrepancy in points values between Legion Tactical Support Squads and Heavy Support Squads.

Emphasizing the need to experiment with different army lists before committing to purchases.

Recommending to avoid filling all troop choices with units that do not score to prevent a lack of scoring in the army.

Suggesting that players should consider the firepower and effectiveness of units before adding them to their army.

Mentioning the upcoming plastic releases for certain units and their potential impact on army building.

Stressing the importance of planning ahead and considering how new units will fit into an existing army strategy.

Encouraging players to share their progress and army builds on social media platforms like Instagram.

Concluding with a reminder to plan wisely and avoid common mistakes when building an army for the Horus Heresy game.

Transcripts

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okay guys back to the outer circle and

today we're going to talk about

well in the previous video we didn't

getting started in the horus heresy we

talked about

pointing out your legion wisely today

we're going to be planning it out

well unwisely

so this was sort of said as a joke by

one of the people who commented on the

channel

earlier today and i thought about it i

went actually

it's not so much of a joke it's

kind of what does happen because i spoke

about the sort of things people should

be looking towards and building up their

force i haven't really gone in depth

about the things to

not

do

so that's really what i'll be looking at

today

so i did point out things like hey the

kratos assault tank that's not something

you want to be buying straight away now

people always like to pipe in and say

weird ones like hey i i really like

painting and yada yada so i bought one

fine that's it's not targeted at that

sort of person it's not targeted a

person who uh only is interested in the

hobby aspect or they don't care about

when they're going to get their tape

army on the tabletop they just want to

play games right

it's targeted the people who are like

hey i'm buying into this game because i

want to play games as quickly as

possible

and we want to create an atmosphere

where they can build a viable army as

easily and cheaply as possible rather

than going down the rabbit hole of oh

but what about this what about this what

about this

so

with that in mind the first thing i'm

going to look at is right on this page

here you'll see that you can buy these

pre-order bundles like the legion mark

vi tactical support squad and it'll give

you a bunch of special weapons and

all of those troops that go with it same

as the mark 6 heavy support squad the

mark 6 heavy support squad is the one

we'll look at first

and then we'll get the mark 3 uh

tactical squad

so the mark 6 heavy support squad as you

can see by this picture here

the arms are included

with the weaponry that's because the

regular tactical marine arms do not work

with these weapons and you could cut and

modify and repose the weapons i'm sure

you could make it work

but you have to keep this in mind

because if you want to do something like

buy mark 3 or mark iv power armor for

your army well

the heavy weapons

are no good to you you sort of have to

go down the route of going to forge

world and getting them in resin or

buying plastic kits but then you're

stuck with mark 6. now it's not says

anything wrong with mark 6 but it

doesn't appeal to everyone and if

someone goes out there and they think

hey i'm gonna collect an imaury's army

and i want all my guys to be a mark iii

because they're a siege warfare force

and i want a bunch of

heavy weapons to go on them because it's

really fluffy and thematic for iron

warriors then they fall into the trap of

buying the heavy weapons which are

designed to suit mark six paramount

marines and don't match the arms of the

mark iii

is it a big deal

for some it will be yes uh in general

probably not but for some it will be

because it's quite an investment of

money i mean this box here in australian

dollars 209

that's a lot of money for 20 years

that's what 10

a model and 45 cents off top of my head

that's a lot of money

for what is essentially just regular

troops in your army one could almost say

so it's just something to keep in the

back of your mind that if you if you're

going down that route you want to get

heavy weapons and all that make sure

they actually suit the armor that you're

looking at

um

and yeah cool that they come with a

little transfer sheet but that's such a

crappy transfer sheet just needs to be

said because it only suits two legions

so it's not really a selling point to me

but if you collect imperial fists or

sons of horus there's going to be so

many of these going cheap on ebay and

the internet

that hey you'll be able to fill out a

whole army with them in no time

so that's the first thing to talk about

the second is

hmm okay

legion dice legion

transfers all that kind of stuff it's

all good for getting started in the

horos heresy

fine apocalyptic blast marker makes me

think super heavies and super heavy is a

really good transition point so let's

get on over to forge world here and

let's just pull up the lords of war

and we'll take a moment because you know

it's it's forge world's website it's

it's a little bit funky sometimes and

you've got to

play with it a bit but

it could just be a strange thing

and let's narrow this down to just tanks

um because

primarks storm birds will get confusing

so if you buy one of these

well for a start you want

let's say marines you're buying marines

then the mechanicum stuff obviously

ignore it ignore the arcurium pattern

storm blade because you can't use it

ignore the solar auxiliary storm hammer

because you can't use it so it really is

just the

macedon felsion typhon cerberus fell

blade and legion glaive

they're the units that you should be

looking at here

and they're a lot of money macedon 789

really wasted dollars for that unit so

buying one of those straight out of the

gate because you think it's cool with

your box set

it's a lot of money that you're just

throwing away because it's not very good

on the tabletop but it looks really cool

and i bring up what's good on the

tabletop not because we're in a

competitive

scene here i bring it up because nobody

wants to pick just units they're going

to lose with repeatedly or spend a lot

of points on for very little reward

uh it's one thing to pick these units

because they're thematic and you know

they're going to suck but you're you're

fine with it anyway that's fine that's

informed choosing but when you're

picking again because hey it's this

giant super heavy and it's got you know

tons of hull points and it looks like

it's got all these guns

and then you realize that the macedon

packs less firepower than a typhon

realistically hang on how does that make

sense

yeah

that's a mistake even when it comes to

the other tanks which are all you know

relatively good the cerberus is better

in this edition which is nice the

typhon's not an auto include anymore

fell blade's still really good so is the

glaive so is the velcro the falchion's

probably the worst of the super heavies

to be honest

but they're all cool tanks but at 469

dollars you can buy an awful lot you

could buy

and what two sets of you could buy the

uh the legion tactical support squad and

the legion heavy support squad and have

two of each that's a thing

sure fill your boots

is it something you need in your army

you could build it because you just

think it's cool and you want to paint it

sure go for it but again this is aimed

at people who want to get their force on

the tabletop and actually get some games

under their belt in which case don't

stay away from all of these vehicles

none of them are useful to you

absolutely none of them what you should

be looking at is rhinos predators and

land raiders really uh saccharins of

course they'll be adding plastic in a

month or two so

get into those

um

which brings me to another point

actually thinking back to legion

tactical support squad so a tactical

support squad is

not a wine choice in the current rules

so a line unit is you can essentially

score with the unit it can contest and

score objectives

that's very very important in the horus

heresy because most games revolve around

objectives there are very few public

kill points missions out there in the

horus heresy whether it's 1.0 or 2.0

because 2.0 so far has only repeated

uh version 1's

missions

so

when you go to a unit like this you

think oh cool it's a tactical squad and

it's in troops

but it's really not because without the

wine rule

it kind of sucks i mean i'm gonna go and

double check i'm holding the uh

weber traitorous uh in my hands here

but pretty damn sure

that tactical support squad doesn't have

the line rule instead it has the support

squad rule which yes page 48 i can

confirm

so

that means

you can't just get say two tactical

squads fill out your compulsory troops

and then buy four tactical support

squads because they're not scoring if

you try and use them in your game and

you lose your two tactical squads that

could mean you've lost all of the

scoring in your army

that is a

major negative downside of playing this

force and so therefore you don't want to

bulk up on something like tactical

support squads without putting

forethought into what's actually going

to do the objective capturing in your

mission

another great example of this actually

i'll bring them up on um forge world

let's say let's pick a

legion um

not all trains

pick something more out of the box

i'm to pick

thousand sounds of good world eaters

okay world eaters because they're really

cool and nobody talks about them enough

okay

uh what is rights of war page

217 in the tradable

there's a right of war here called

berserker assault the effects are all

units composed entirely of models of the

legionnaires of studies world leaders

rule in this detachment and plus two

inches to the distance moved when

running that's cool cover the table very

fast

all units composed entirely models of

the legions of studies world eaters gain

a bonus of plus two to all charge rolls

made for them

very good

organizers compose entire models with

the legions of studies world leaders

rule in a detachment using this right of

war gainer bonus a plus one to their

leadership to a maximum of 10 when

making pinning checks

handy there's a lot of pinning in this

edition

rampager squads are taken as troops

choices in this detachment using this

right of war

perfect that's what i was looking for

um and secondly it's a legion predator

squadrons may be taken as fast attack

choices in detachment using this

brighter war there's obviously a bunch

of limitations to the right of war but

that second last line was what i was

looking for turns out world leaders is a

perfect example

because it makes rampages troops it does

not make them

line troops huge distinction in there to

be made

so dark angels have this problem too

with some of their rights of war

multiple legions in fact do

they gain a unit becomes a troops choice

or might become the predominant troops

choice in a force and yet

it's not scoring

so if you take six squads of legion

rampages

as your primary troops choices you've

filled all six troop slots and you have

zero scoring

that's not good now the previous edition

of horus heresy just made it so that hey

if you moved into the troops choice hey

you automatically became scoring not

this edition it's a really big

distinction to make because it could

absolutely you in some games

so keep that in the back of your mind

when again building an army unwisely you

would be doing that you would go out and

you would buy units thinking this is

going to be really cool it's going to be

really helpful and then you get it and

you find out that you've just

essentially wasted your points

so you need to think smart if you're

going to build an army like this you

can't just fill the troops choices with

legion rampages you need to get some

other form of line infantry into there

that can score

and in the previous horus heresy my rule

of thumb was every 500 points you need a

scoring unit

obviously two for the first 1000 points

and then one in every additional 500.

now that used to be easy because you

could say two tactical squads uh and a

terminator squad for example in 1500

because terminators used to be scoring

they had the implacable advance rule

that rule is gone terminator's no longer

scoring

all of a sudden it's you need to add

more troops and that's fine up to 3 000

points at 3 000 points though most

armies will cap out on troops choices

they'll have run out and when they run

out of troops choices

all of a sudden it becomes hang on a

minute how do i get more scoring into my

army you might only have six scoring

units and that

if you've got six 10-man tactical squads

for example at 3 000 points you're

probably going to lose six 10-man

tactical squads

uh before the game is out is it is

punishing in three thousand points just

how quickly power arm will die

especially in this edition

so

keep that in the back of your mind at

all times

another thing to point out uh with this

edition is

well the sheer firepower you see out

there so legion tactical support squads

they are a bad choice very points poor

compared to say legion heavy support

squads

the legion heavy support squads here

they are cheaper you can get 10 with

last cannons for cheaper than you can

buy 10 tactical support with melted guns

to me that is a crucial rules oversight

a major screw up on behalf of forge will

because last cannon's just

four times the range

of melter guns

hits harder than a melter gun unless

you're at point-blank range if you win

six into the multi-gun okay it's a

little bit better against tanks as long

as they don't have some anti-melter

protection some do

why would you do that forge world

games workshop whoever wrote that just

poor and people should take that into

account when they're planning is points

values on things some things are just

not good choices they're not viable

choices to take

and again we're not trying to win all of

our games here i can't stress that point

enough it's not about what's competitive

it's about what can keep up with the

armies around it and you don't want it

to devolve into 40k where it becomes

this sort of

rock paper scissors or i have this this

beats that

type mentality but you also don't want

to end up in a situation where every

single thing in your army is

say

paper and every single thing in their

army is scissors and you just gotta suck

eggs because that's the way the rules

are written and that's how you built

your army so the biggest thing to do

really

is write a bunch of lists before you

even put models on the table top and

start proxying experimenting trying to

figure out how you want to build your

force

build a list write a list try it out and

see if it actually works because people

often find that when they list hammer

out a force and it

fits into the points limit they're

allocated and yet it just doesn't

perform the way they expect

so first and foremost plan ahead and

with that you will also help to plan

your purchases out because you'll find

that units you think are really cool

didn't make it into your list sometimes

or units you thought were really

overpowered you're going you know what i

don't want to take that i found that the

person playing against me didn't like

playing against that maybe i want to

swap it out for something else in my

army list therefore i'm not going to go

and buy one these are all viable choices

for you

anyway that's it from me that's all in

this episode of getting started in the

horace heresy and about what would be

unwise to do

this is more off the cuff than any

episode normally is i i don't script

episodes

as a rule except for what broke the fans

because i need to refer back to dates

and times and places and

previous events and publication dates

almost every video on the channel is

just ad-libbed but there is adwib and

then there's adwib and this is one of

those where someone came up with a

comment a few hours back and i thought

yeah i really want to record that

so i went in here and i just made it up

as i went so not as structured as other

getting started in the horoscopy videos

but

it's it's a little fun content

anyway we'll get back on schedule soon

enough i'm trying to

smash out the salamanders army that i

bought in the box set so 40 tactical

marines two hq's the spartan the ten

terminators the contempt

i have completed one tactical squad both

hq's the spartan contempter is pretty

much built

30 of the marines are also built and

base coated one of those squads is only

a few hours away from being complete

i've done most of the bases for that

army already they're all zone metallus

bases

so i'm should be able to finish the

force inside of the three weeks i

allocated myself the same

as the regular people in the community

are given boxes

so that'll be fun

uh putting up pictures obviously on

instagram especially our instagram link

is in the uh description below the video

as per other episodes

and apart from that i've waffled enough

so i'll let you go thanks everyone for

watching and i'll see you all on the

next one