Mid- to Large-Scale Vermicomposting
Summary
TLDRThe video script discusses the global impact of a farmer's handbook on vermiculture, emphasizing its versatility for various scales, from small-scale home composting to large commercial operations. It highlights the book's practical approach, showcasing diverse vermicomposting techniques worldwide. The speaker, an expert in the field, details the process, benefits, and economic potential of vermicomposting, including its value in enhancing plant growth and disease suppression. The script also touches on the importance of starting small, managing moisture, and the potential for women's financial empowerment through vermicomposting.
Takeaways
- ๐ The script discusses a well-received book on vermiculture, which helps individuals and businesses scale up composting operations.
- ๐ The book has been adopted worldwide, illustrating various approaches to vermiculture in different countries and contexts.
- ๐ก It emphasizes the importance of learning from global practices rather than providing a one-size-fits-all method for vermicomposting.
- ๐ญ The speaker mentions large-scale vermiculture operations in countries like Belgium, Turkey, and Mexico, using advanced technologies like continuous flow reactors.
- ๐ The annual vermiculture conference attracts a diverse audience, from small-scale home composters to large commercial operations.
- ๐ Earthworms are highlighted as beneficial decomposers that can process a wide range of organic waste, excluding chicken manure due to its high ammonia content.
- ๐ซ The script warns against starting large-scale vermiculture without first gaining experience through smaller-scale operations to avoid mismanagement and loss.
- ๐ The speaker recommends using finished compost as bedding in larger systems and cautions against overloading the system to prevent overheating.
- ๐ฐ Vermicompost is described as a valuable product, with prices significantly higher than regular compost, making vermiculture potentially lucrative.
- ๐ฑ Research studies are cited that show vermicompost's superior performance in enhancing plant growth, suppressing diseases, and repelling insects compared to regular compost.
- ๐พ The script concludes by highlighting the global impact of vermiculture, including its role in resource management and financial empowerment, especially for marginalized groups like women in various countries.
Q & A
What is the primary purpose of the 'Farmer's Handbook' mentioned in the transcript?
-The 'Farmer's Handbook' is a resource that helps people to engage in vermiculture composting on various scales, from small personal projects to large commercial operations, and even as a source of income.
Why is it recommended to start with a small worm bin when beginning with vermicomposting?
-Starting with a small worm bin allows individuals to learn the basics of vermicomposting, including proper feeding and management techniques, before scaling up to larger operations and avoiding potential mismanagement that could lead to the death of worms.
What are some examples of organic waste that can be used for vermicomposting mentioned in the transcript?
-Examples of organic waste suitable for vermicomposting include livestock manure (excluding chicken manure due to high ammonia content), food waste, humanure, brewery waste, and paper mill sludge.
What is the 'pool table effect' in the context of vermicomposting?
-The 'pool table effect' refers to the process where the surface of the vermicompost becomes smooth and even like a pool table after the worms have finished consuming the feedstock, which was initially added in a lumpy form.
How does the speaker describe the process of harvesting vermicompost in a large system?
-In a large system, the speaker recommends using a pitchfork to remove the top layer where the worms are active and have consumed the feedstock. The worms are then transferred to fresh bedding, and the castings are harvested from the bottom of the bin.
Outlines
๐ Introduction to Verma Composting Education
This paragraph introduces a book on Verma composting that has been well-received globally. It discusses the book's utility for different scales of composting operations, from school cafeterias to commercial enterprises. The speaker emphasizes the book's approach to teaching by showcasing various global methods rather than providing a one-size-fits-all recipe. The paragraph also mentions the annual Vermiculture conference, highlighting its importance for commercial operations and the diverse backgrounds of attendees, including those from paper mills and breweries who are interested in managing organic waste through Verma composting.
๐ Starting Small in Verma Composting
The speaker advises starting with a small worm bin to learn the basics of Verma composting before scaling up. They compare this approach to learning animal husbandry and warn against the pitfalls of mismanagement, which can lead to the death of worms. The paragraph also covers the importance of using finished compost as bedding in larger systems and maintaining a shallow layer to prevent overheating. The recommended feeding practices, including the amount of food waste to be added and the frequency of feeding, are explained to ensure the health of the worm population.
๐ง Moisture Management in Verma Composting
This paragraph focuses on the importance of moisture management in Verma composting systems. It explains that moisture should be primarily on the top layers of the bin to encourage worms to stay there and feed. The speaker describes the process of harvesting worm castings, which involves removing the top layer of the bin and shoveling out the castings below. The paragraph also introduces continuous flow-through reactors as an efficient method for managing large-scale Verma composting operations, highlighting their design and the process of harvesting Verma compost using a breaker bar.
๐ฐ Economic Potential of Vermicomposting
The economic benefits of Verma composting are discussed in this paragraph, with the speaker noting the high market value of Verma compost compared to traditional compost. They provide an example of a successful Verma composting operation in California and emphasize the importance of research studies that show the superior effects of Verma compost on plant growth, disease suppression, and insect repelling. The paragraph also touches on the varying responses of different plants to different types of Verma compost, underlining the importance of selecting the right feedstock for the worms.
๐ฑ The Impact of Vermicompost on Plant Growth
This paragraph delves into a specific study on the effects of Verma compost on turnip growth, demonstrating the significant increase in size and root development when Verma compost is added to the soil. The speaker discusses the optimal ratios of Verma compost to use and explains that the benefits of Verma compost extend beyond the traditional NPK (nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium) measurements, highlighting the role of microorganisms, fulvic and humic acids, and plant growth hormones in the compost's effectiveness.
๐ฌ The Science Behind Vermicompost Quality
The speaker discusses the importance of understanding the differences in Verma compost quality based on the feedstock used by the worms. They explain that pre-composting the feedstock is crucial for killing pathogens and seeds, reducing volume, and creating a homogeneous product that is easily consumed by the worms. The paragraph also touches on the importance of not overfeeding and the benefits of using different types of feedstock for creating Verma compost that caters to the needs of various plants.
๐ Global Reach of Vermicomposting Education
In this final paragraph, the speaker reflects on their career in promoting Verma composting, starting with their work at North Carolina State University and extending to their influence on a global scale. They highlight the growth of Verma composting worldwide, its role in resource-limited countries like Cuba, and its potential for empowering marginalized groups, particularly women, to achieve financial stability through Verma composting. The speaker emphasizes the importance of proper education and understanding in the practice of Verma composting to ensure its success and sustainability.
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Keywords
๐กVermicomposting
๐กEarthworms
๐กComposting
๐กOrganic Material
๐กWorm Castings
๐กFeedstock
๐กManure
๐กMicroorganisms
๐กHarvesting
๐กFinancial Stability
๐กEducation and Regulation
Highlights
The Farmer's handbook has been well received worldwide for its guidance on large-scale vermicomposting.
The book offers adaptable approaches to vermicomposting, accommodating different needs and resources.
Examples of vermicomposting from developing countries to advanced technology in Belgium, Turkey, and Mexico are provided.
The annual vermiculture conference attracts a diverse range of scales, from home-based to large commercial operations.
Worms can process a wide variety of organic materials, including paper mill sludge and brewery waste.
Chicken manure is unsuitable for vermicomposting due to its high ammonia content.
Starting with a small worm bin is recommended for beginners to learn the basics of vermicomposting.
Finished compost is the preferred bedding for larger vermicomposting systems.
A depth of six inches is recommended for bedding in larger systems to prevent overheating.
Adding only an inch of food waste at a time prevents the system from heating up and allows for proper consumption by worms.
The 'pool table effect' describes the even surface created after worms have consumed the food waste.
Maintaining moisture primarily in the top layers of the bin is crucial for worm health and activity.
Continuous flow-through reactors are an efficient method for large-scale vermicomposting, reducing labor intensity.
Vermicompost can sell for significantly higher prices than regular compost, making it a profitable venture.
Vermicompost has been shown to outperform regular compost in plant growth, disease suppression, and insect repelling.
Pre-composting feedstock is essential to kill pathogens and seeds, ensuring a safe and effective vermicomposting process.
Vermicomposting has played a significant role in countries like Cuba, improving soil quality and food production.
Women in marginalized communities are finding financial stability through vermicomposting.
The book provides comprehensive guidance on choosing the right system, setup, feeding, and regulations for vermicomposting.
Miranda Sherman's work has impacted vermicomposting practices in 121 countries, promoting large-scale operations for financial independence.
Transcripts
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Farmer's handbook
and it has been very well received
worldwide
um
it's you know it helps and so I it helps
people to get into it on a larger scale
you know whether whether you want your
whole school to Verma compost the
cafeteria waste or you're in a business
or a restaurant or institution and you
want to firm a compost on a larger scale
or if you want that to be your income
you know if you want to do commercial
Verma composting you can learn all of
those things from this book and the book
is not a recipe where do this do this do
this you know because everybody has
different approaches different needs
differing amounts of money and resources
and so
um instead I show how people around the
world are doing Verma composting and you
know it's like okay this is in a
developing country and they're using
concrete box and it's working really
well for them
and then you get into other countries
that are using these continuous flow
through
reactors that they're the most advanced
technology so you have that in Belgium
in Turkey
Mexico on a really large scale
in other parts of the world so so I've
heard from people from every continent
except for Antarctica
the annual vermiculture conference is
mid to large scale so you know
especially for commercial operations
people who want to make money from
vermicomposting but there are all kinds
of scales you know some are
in somebody's basement or their garage
you know and and they're making some
income from selling the Verma compost
and or the worms and then you have
really huge operations too in in farm
scale you know so you have somebody who
might have some farm animals and so they
have manure and so they feed it to worms
and then um and then you have businesses
um I've had people from paper mills come
to learn about Verma composting because
when they process the paper they recycle
it they end up with sludge and you know
and it can't be the fibers of the paper
are so short they can't be recycled
again they can't be made into something
again so
you can feed it to worms and the worms
love it
so people with Brewery waste
um
you know people from restaurants
um anybody who generates some type of
organic material
comes to the worm conference to learn
more about it
so the worms will eat
they'll eat pretty most things that are
organic of origin okay that we're once
living or came from a living being
they love livestock manure
but not chicken manure
chicken manure is too high in ammonia it
will kill the worms so but Dairy manure
you know dairy cows
sheep goats
um
horses pigs all sorts of farm animals
the worms just love their manure
but you can also feed them food waste
in different parts of the world
they're eating humanure
you know so from humans
um and then uh food processing waste and
like I said Brewery waste and
all sorts of things
but whether you want to do
um you know if if you think you might
want to do commercial Verma composting
or you have a farm and you have a lot of
organic material to manage
you I recommend that you always start
with a small worm bin a home kitchen
type warm bin it doesn't have to be in
your kitchen I've kept it in my bathroom
I've
uh
closet people have made lovely furniture
out of warm bins coffee tables other
types of things so you know worm bin can
be anywhere but
it you really need to start small you
can't just you know read my book and say
oh I'm gonna you know I'm gonna buy a
hundred pounds of of um earthworms
because that would be a hundred thousand
of them you know and I'm gonna do this
large scale well would you just
without knowing anything would you just
pick up a herd of cattle and decide that
you're going to be a cattle farmer no
you have to really study it and you know
if I if that was my goal to have a herd
of cattle I would probably start with
one cow just to learn the husbandry
animal husbandry of raising that cow and
helping it to be healthy and it's the
same with worms because I'm shocked
people are like ah they're just worms
whatever and it's like they're they're
actually pretty expensive to buy and so
you don't want them to you know there's
many ways they could die from
mismanagement and so it's really
important to just start with one pound
and master Verma composting before you
decide to expand to a larger level
when you decide to expand to a larger
bin don't use paper because then it's
it's just it's mushy you know and it
just won't serve you well on a larger
scale
so my favorite kind of
bedding in a larger system is finished
compost meaning that it has gone through
that thermophilic heat stage the heat
has come down and it's cured for several
months so that it the likelihood of it
heating up again is very unlikely and
also in a larger system using that
compost you would only put six inches
deep that's it don't go more than that
because
whenever you have a lot of organic
material you're going to have just
gazillions of microorganisms and the
microorganisms will feed on that organic
material and their activity creates Heat
and so again you don't want your
vermicomposting system to heat up and so
that's why I recommend starting with six
inches of bedding you know in a larger
system and then only adding about an
inch of food so food it's more active it
hasn't gone through a heating and
cooling and curing stage it has the
ability to heat up whether it be
livestock manure or food waste or
Brewery waste or whatever
it could heat up so you only want to
apply about an inch deep and then
um wait until the food is consumed
before you add more
um so it's not a daily thing and you may
even see references to you know you may
see a warm Farmer Say Yeah I feed x
amount of food waste or feedstock per
day they don't they are not feeding
daily they're feeding every two or three
days when the food is gone and so if
they give you a daily rate they take a
weekly rate and divide it by seven okay
so
um very important because if you lay
down that food waste and then you say on
Monday and then Tuesday you say okay
time to feed again
this is not all consumed you know
depending on your operation the number
of warmths you have and so you put new
Fresh Feed stock on top and then this
just you know the lower stuff doesn't
get eaten and it can just you know cause
problems in the warm bin you want your
worms to go up to eat okay and so that's
why you put the feedstock on the top so
they'll come up for it and when they're
finished eating it it will be smooth so
we call it the pool table effect
you know shooting pool
because when you first add that
feedstock it'll be kind of lumpy but
then once the worms have finished eating
it it'll be flat like a pool table
so and another way that you manage your
worm bin
is to keep
you know obviously the worms need
moisture to live right and so you you
use your bin in a way that most of the
moisture is on top
the top you know four to six inches if
it's a larger system okay
um in a smaller worm bin it's going to
be you know the top couple of inches but
you want to make so so you're not
saturating the whole bin the worms will
seek out moisture and so
if you add too much moisture to the bin
it'll collect on the bottom the worms
will go down there and you want them up
here to eat the food so very important
to do that no matter what size system
you have
because the earthworm castings always
end up on the bottom of a system and so
to get to the castings you you would
have to dig you know so it can be labor
intensive you know if you're talking
about a large system when you've got you
know a large horizontal bin or you have
um the concrete blocks you're going to
be
we're managing the bin so that the
earthworms stay in the top four to six
inches where it's moist and where the
food is
and so when it comes time to harvest
you're going to use a pitchfork to
remove that top four to six inches and
put the worms into a you know fresh
bedding situation
and then you you're gonna have to shovel
the the castings out and so again labor
intensive you know if you have a 200
foot long bin then that's a lot of Labor
and that's why these continuous flow
through reactors have been created and
so they're made out of metal they're
raised off the floor on legs
and and they're raised you know at least
a couple of feet high you know maybe 30
inches or so and then
um the bottom surprisingly the bottom of
that bin that's raised off the floor is
a grate that's two inches by four inches
each hole
so really big holes you know and you
look at it and you go uh it looks like
the material would just fall through you
know but what you do is you take like
postal paper you know that brown paper
you put that on the bottom to cover
those holes and then you put your six
inches of moist bedding that the worms
are going to feel comfortable in right
and then you only feed an inch or you
know less than two inches at a time
and the castings will go to the bottom
on top of that paper
and
the bin is a couple of feet deep and it
takes a while for it to fill up because
you know you're only feeding an inch at
a time but in the meantime the castings
accumulate on the bottom and they knit
together
and so they just kind of you know form
together and in the meantime that paper
is disintegrating
and so then what you do is you use we
call it a breaker bar that skims over
those that great with those holes
and it gets pulled in One Direction and
then another to just skim about an inch
off the bottom and because there's so
much weight in the bin and those
castings are kind of knitted together
then it'll hold instead of the whole
thing falling through and so that's why
it's really important to wait until the
bin is full and stable before you start
harvesting but then you can start
harvesting once a week and depending on
the size of the bin you can get quite a
bit of Verma compost
um there are other options such as
trommels you know so these are long
tubes that move in a circle and they
have screens that will screen the
smaller material will come through and
the worms will come out the other end so
many ways to harvest
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in the United States
vermicompost sells for a huge amount of
money they can be very profitable for
the vermicomposter and so um let's take
the example of thermophilic compost so
again totally different that's the
compost bin that you have in your
backyard or that you do on a really
large scale say your city picks up all
your green waste and takes it to a
composting facility you know where it
goes through that heat cycle well in the
United States if you try to sell a cubic
yard of compost finished compost you'll
get about up to thirty dollars for a
cubic yard
but if you sell a cubic yard of
vermicompost from the worm bin then it
sells for 200 to 1200 dollars per cubic
yard
so
um quite a bit of difference and so it's
very valuable
and that's why some people get into
commercial vermicomposting
um I I give examples in my book in the
last chapter I hide I I go into detail
about different Verma composting
operations so people can just you know
read through it and say wow I think I'd
like to try this and maybe something
from over here and you know combine it
into something that works for them but
there's a I end the book with um there's
a worm farm in California in the United
States where there's a very mild climate
so you can just do Verma composting on
the ground there and this man became a
millionaire he makes over 4 million a
year from selling Verma compost and
compost
and so
um you know so it can be a very
lucrative situation but lots you know
lots of research studies have taken
place
to look at the effects of Verma compost
on plant growth
and also suppressing plant diseases
and repelling insects
and so
um
so vermicompost always outperforms
compost regular compost
and that's a reason why it's so valuable
and you need very little you need less
vermicompost
to add you know to add to soil to have
to get these just amazing results
so I have a picture in my book of a
turnip study we did and it was three
differences
Seasons Outdoors so spring fall spring
and we made sure that all of the plots
had equal amounts of nitrogen
and you look at the picture of the
turnips and you're like there is no way
that all of these turnips have have
equal amounts of nitrogen but they do so
um so some turnouts had no vermicompost
added to the plots and you can see it's
just a regular size turnip okay so you
know it's not very big and it's just got
one spindly root coming out of it and
then just by mixing in 10 by volume
Verma compost
the next picture you go oh my gosh you
know I mean it's huge it's so much
bigger than the one with no vermicompost
and the root system is just super well
developed and the turnip greens which
you know Farmers sell turnip greens
people love to buy them and eat them and
they're just so extensive it's amazing
and then you look at 20 by volume and
you know it's a even bigger
and we stopped there because according
to literature if we had done 40 by
volume it wouldn't be that much bigger
than the 30 percent you know and 50
percent it becomes too much for the
plant and so it starts looking more like
you know it had zero Verma compost so
that's the beauty of it especially since
it's so expensive it's wonderful that
such a little bit goes such a long way
so what's really wonderful about that
experiment
again we rely so much on NPK you know
it's we consider that's the most
important thing and nitrogen is
particularly important for plant growth
and so what's interesting about the um
by seeing that all three plots had equal
amounts of nitrogen it's like it's not
the nitrogen in the you know NPK is not
that big of a deal in Verma compost you
will not see NPK readings in Verma
compost and go wow that's amazing
because it's not you know so it is the
microorganisms
um and scientists are still trying to
unlock you know everything that's going
on with Verma composting but between the
plethora of
microbe species and numbers and there
are full of fulvic acid acids and humic
acids and plant growth hormones there's
just all kinds of things that happen
inside the worm and come out the other
end and you'll see that that not all
Verma compost is alike and it's really
important to understand this because if
your um growing if you're feeding the
worms Dairy manure
um then what they
excrete their poop
will have different qualities than if
you feed the worms food waste
or goat manure or sheep manure or
whatever so it really depends on the
feedstock the way in which the
vermicompost is created you know the
different methods and so and then it
affects plants differently too so it's
very interesting that plants will have
more favorable responses
two different types of Verma compost
so in other words if you have like a
dairy manure Verma compost
and you do experiments with tomatoes
peppers
petunias
you know a variety of plants you'll see
that some have a greater response to
that Dairy manure than others and then
if you use like maybe you've taken that
paper sludge and fed it to the worms and
so again it's going to be a different
type of Verma compost and you might find
that certain plants prefer that
so so it's not like synthetic fertilizer
where you know okay here we go folks
it's it really varies on the
effectiveness and the plant response and
the different feedstocks so
now really the best thing you can do is
to
pre-compost the feedstock that you're
going to feed the worms all right
pre-composting that means that you will
thermophilically compost whatever that
feedstock is whether it's Dairy manure
or food waste or whatever
you'll get it to the high temperatures
that will kill pathogens such as E coli
and salmonella
and also kill seeds Okay if there could
be seeds in the manure there's
definitely seeds in food waste and so
um those will not be killed in the worm
bed and so you you destroy them through
the pre-composting process what makes it
pre-composting instead of composting
is that it goes through that heat cycle
for about a month four to six weeks and
then the temperatures start to drop down
and with regular thermophilic composting
like I mentioned earlier you let those
temperatures go down but then it has to
cure for several months so you don't get
these temperature spikes and people
complain you know oh I bought compost
and it burned my plants you know and
it's because they didn't go through that
curing process
so here like I said cured mature compost
is great as a bedding for the worms only
six inches deep because again you don't
want it to heat up and that's why we're
using it as bedding but not feedstock we
want feedstock that just has more oomph
to it you know and so in that
pre-composting we've gone through the
heating we've killed the pathogens and
the seeds it started to drop in
temperature that's when we remove it and
let it cool off and we feed only an inch
to the earthworms and so not only have
you killed those undesirable things but
you've reduced the volume which is
really important because again
firmacomposting is a horizontal process
and you know so you leave you need a lot
of you know space
but also it has turned whatever the
feedstock is into a homogeneous product
because we know what compost looks like
compost looks like soil you know and and
the particles look the same
and so you won't get this picky eater
thing the worms can just very easily
take in those tiny particles and they
won't show a preference whereas if you
had fed them like raw food waste you'll
find that some types of food waste
disappears more quickly than other types
of food waste so through the pre-compost
you don't have to deal with that it all
looks like to the worms
but um in the 30 years that I've been
teaching Verma compost I have seen an
increase
and so
um you know more people are doing it and
you know uh well over a thousand people
have come to my warm farming conferences
you know so again these people are
mostly in it to produce commercial Verma
compost and make a living from it so and
then
um you know just the number of countries
that I've heard from
um I I see it taking place all over the
world uh I mentioned in my book I have a
picture of
one worm farm in Cuba but there were 174
worm farms on that island and it's
because you know we we the United States
and Cuba had a problem with Communism
and so there was an embargo and all of a
sudden the food and other resources that
usually came into the island were no
longer able to come and so people got
very creative and so they were really
able to raise
to farm and raise food but Verma
composting played a really big part in
improving the soils and increasing
production and decreasing the plant
diseases and pest attacks so people are
finding that worldwide and another
really great develop man I found is um
you know a lot of women are marginalized
in many countries and they don't have
access to
financial stability
and so there's a growing trend of women
reaching Financial stability through
Verma composting so it's really
wonderful to see a lot of it is taking
place in in India in Guatemala in many
other countries like that where you know
warm women are given some worms and in
India there's you know sacred cows and
their dung is everywhere and so you know
they're able to use the cow dung and
some food waste and you know and the
worms create this wonderful valuable
product
and so
and then the women are able to be
financially secure so
um so it's really being handled all over
the place
but it's just important to do it
correctly you know there are many
so just having a basic understanding of
earthworms and the type of earthworm
that you use the species not mixing a
bunch of species
and then
doing it in a way where you're not gonna
overheat
and so just basic things to understand
and so that's what I covered in my book
you know I really got into all aspects
of
um you know how to choose the right
system and how to uh use how to set up
the system how to feed effectively
safely
and I talk about regulations I talk
about you know the different harvesting
methods and then testing the Verma
compost for
um to make sure that that it's good
quality you know and I give parameters
for different things that are tested you
know like NPK and other macro and
micronutrients but also salts you know
um like regular thermophilic compost
depending on the feedstock you can have
a lot of salt in your compost and then
certain
uh plant species are very sensitive to
it and so you know so that's something
you want to check for in your
vermicompost as well
some
I have I'm Miranda Sherman and I've been
at North Carolina State University for
just short of 30 years and I was hired
because recycling had just been mandated
in the state and everyone was saying
what do we do you know how do we recycle
and so I was hired to
educate people and answer questions and
so I'm not only talking households but
businesses and
um and then the trash managers so
landfill managers government officials
everybody was wondering what's happening
with Recycling and so I um
so I was hired for that and you know of
course it's expected to publish and
um and so I right away wrote several
Publications about recycling
but I also
um decided to write something about
Verma composting so I titled it worms
can recycle your garbage and it flew off
the shelves it had to keep being
reprinted because there was just such a
clamor to learn more about Verma
composting and it just spread Beyond you
know I served the people of North
Carolina but I started hearing from
people in other states and then other
countries and now I've heard from people
in 121 countries they have contacted me
specifically about vermicomposting to
learn more and so it changed the course
of my career and because I spent most of
my time answering questions about Verma
composting and there was already
books and information about small-scale
Verma composting but not that mid to
large scale Verma composting so I really
focused on that and that's where you
know the people in 121 countries they're
not saying oh what do I do with my
little kitchen warmth and they're saying
I want to get into it you know as uh to
become financially independent through
Verma composting
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