Modernism and Postmodernism in music

Michele Zaccagnini
11 Jun 202111:13

Summary

TLDRThis video discusses the concepts of modernism and postmodernism in music composition. Modernism, which emerged in the early 20th century, seeks to break from traditional canons and advance art with new techniques, as seen in the works of composers like Schoenberg. Postmodernism, in contrast, challenges modernism's idea of progress, questioning the very nature and role of art. Through examples such as John Cage's 4'33", postmodernism engages the audience in philosophical inquiries about art’s boundaries and purpose. Both movements address the evolving role of art in modern, industrialized society.

Takeaways

  • 🎶 Modernism and postmodernism are broad tendencies in artistic creation, not specific styles, and they help explain motivations behind works of art.
  • 🖼️ Both movements explore the role of art in society, questioning whether it's entertainment, knowledge, communication, spiritual, or all of the above.
  • 📅 Modernism emerged in the early 20th century and is characterized by a break from traditional artistic canons, seeking to advance art toward a goal.
  • 🎹 Adorno is a key figure in modernism, believing in artistic progress, with the 12-tone technique as a modernist move away from tonality.
  • 🧱 Modernism is not just about rejecting tradition but also about proposing a new system or way forward, as seen in composers like Schoenberg, Boulez, and Stockhausen.
  • ❓ Postmodernism challenges the modernist idea of progress and questions the importance of technique, asking deeper questions about the nature of art.
  • 🎤 John Cage's work, like his famous piece '4'33', embodies postmodernism by breaking the barrier between the audience and the art, challenging what music and art are.
  • 🤔 Modernism offers an answer to what music should achieve, advocating for artistic progress, while postmodernism offers more philosophical questions about art’s role.
  • 📜 Walter Benjamin's essay on mechanical reproduction highlights how industrialization has changed art, diminishing its uniqueness or 'aura' through mass reproduction.
  • 🔄 Modernists see progress through breaking from tradition, while postmodernists believe in reinventing and questioning the role of art in a post-industrial society.

Q & A

  • What are modernism and postmodernism in the context of music composition?

    -Modernism and postmodernism are broad tendencies in artistic creation. They aren't specific styles but are used to understand the motivations behind a work and certain stylistic features in art and music.

  • What is the main difference between modernism and postmodernism?

    -Modernism focuses on breaking from traditional artistic conventions and advancing toward a goal or progress, while postmodernism challenges the modernist idea of progress and questions the role and purpose of art itself.

  • How does modernism approach the evolution of music?

    -Modernism seeks to break from traditional forms, advancing music by creating new systems to replace older ones. It's not just about rejecting tradition but proposing a new direction that aligns with modern times.

  • What role does technique play in modernism?

    -Technique is central to modernism, where advancing technique and the art form itself justifies the creation of new works. The modernist composer believes that artistic progress can be achieved through technical innovations.

  • How does postmodernism differ in its view of artistic progress?

    -Postmodernism rejects the idea of clear artistic progress. Instead of following a linear path forward, it questions the role of art and music in society, often presenting open-ended questions about the purpose of creation.

  • What is an example of postmodernist music, and how does it challenge traditional ideas?

    -John Cage’s piece '4'33'' is a postmodernist example. In this piece, the performer does not play any notes, involving the audience in questioning the boundaries of music, thus breaking down traditional expectations.

  • What philosophical ideas influence postmodernism in music?

    -Postmodernism in music is influenced by philosophical ideas that question the nature of art and its purpose. It often explores themes such as the role of art in society and challenges preconceived notions about what art should achieve.

  • Who are some key figures associated with modernism in music?

    -Key figures associated with modernism in music include composers like Arnold Schoenberg, Pierre Boulez, Karlheinz Stockhausen, and Iannis Xenakis. These composers sought to innovate music by introducing new systems such as Schoenberg's 12-tone technique.

  • What is the significance of Walter Benjamin's essay in relation to modern and postmodern art?

    -Walter Benjamin’s essay 'The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction' explores how industrialization and mass reproduction of art diminish its 'aura'—a quality that made art unique. This idea influences both modernism’s goal of artistic progress and postmodernism’s questioning of art’s role.

  • How does modernism view the future audience in relation to their work?

    -Modernists believe that their work may not be fully understood by current audiences, but it is in dialogue with future generations. They see their innovations as paving the way for a deeper understanding of music and art over time.

Outlines

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🎵 Introduction to Modernism and Postmodernism in Music

The video introduces the broad tendencies of modernism and postmodernism in music composition, explaining how these movements offer a framework to understand artistic motivations and stylistic features. Neither modernism nor postmodernism are specific styles but are useful in answering deeper questions about the role of art in society, such as whether art is for entertainment, knowledge, communication, or spiritual exploration.

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🎨 Understanding Modernism in Music

Modernism in music is traced to the early 20th century, characterized by a break from traditional canons and a pursuit of artistic progress. The video references Adorno, a key modernist figure, and discusses how modernism aims to reject tradition while also presenting new systems of artistic creation, like Schoenberg's 12-tone technique. This era was driven by a belief in progress and innovation, with composers like Boulez, Stockhausen, and Xenakis continuing this approach by seeking new systems to replace outdated ones.

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🔄 Postmodernism: Challenging Modernist Ideals

Postmodernism is framed as a reaction to modernism's emphasis on progress and technique. Composers like John Cage challenge the very definition of music, as seen in his famous 4'33", where silence itself becomes the piece. This breaks the boundary between the audience and the work, questioning the limits of the medium. Postmodernism takes a more philosophical approach, rejecting clear paths or answers and focusing instead on questioning the purpose and definition of art itself.

💡 Comparing Modernist and Postmodernist Philosophies

The video contrasts modernist and postmodernist philosophies. Modernism seeks to move art forward by introducing new techniques, with the belief that the audience may not yet understand the music but will appreciate it in the future. In contrast, postmodernism dismisses the idea of a clear artistic trajectory. Instead, it focuses on continually questioning art's role, reflecting changes in society's relationship with art in a post-industrial world.

🏙 Art and Industrialization: Insights from Walter Benjamin

The influence of industrialization on art is discussed through the lens of Walter Benjamin, a critical theorist from the Frankfurt School. His essay, 'The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction,' explains how the mass production of art has stripped it of its 'aura,' or unique presence. Modernists view this as a challenge to continue progressing art, while postmodernists see it as a call to reinvent and redefine art itself in light of societal changes.

🎭 The Diverging Responses to Artistic Change

The video concludes by highlighting the different responses of modernists and postmodernists to the changing nature of art. Modernists argue that artistic progress is still achievable by abandoning irrelevant traditions, while postmodernists see the need to reinvent art entirely, questioning its role in contemporary society. The video ends with a note on the ongoing debate about art's purpose and its evolution.

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Keywords

💡Modernism

Modernism refers to a broad cultural and artistic movement that emphasizes breaking away from traditional forms and advancing towards new approaches. In the video, modernism in music is described as moving away from tonal systems like Schoenberg's 12-tone technique. It highlights progress and innovation in art, suggesting that modernist works are in dialogue with future generations.

💡Postmodernism

Postmodernism is a reaction against the modernist idea of progress in art. It challenges the notion of a linear artistic progression and questions the very role and nature of art. The video explains postmodernism as being more philosophical, where composers like John Cage invite audiences to rethink the concept of music itself, as demonstrated in Cage’s silent piece '4'33'.

💡12-tone technique

The 12-tone technique, associated with modernist composer Schoenberg, involves using all 12 notes of the chromatic scale in a fixed, non-repetitive sequence. This technique is presented in the video as a rejection of traditional tonality and an example of modernist music pushing forward by creating new systems to replace the old.

💡Adorno

Theodor Adorno, a philosopher and music theorist, is referenced as a representative of modernism in the video. Adorno believed in the idea of artistic progress, where art should advance by developing new forms and techniques. His views support the idea that modernist works, though possibly misunderstood in their time, are meant for future audiences.

💡John Cage

John Cage was a composer known for his postmodernist ideas, particularly questioning the nature and role of music. In the video, Cage’s work '4'33', where the performer does not play a single note, is used as an example of postmodernism. It challenges the audience to rethink what music is and breaks down the traditional barrier between the artist and the audience.

💡Artistic progress

Artistic progress refers to the modernist belief that art should evolve and move forward. In the video, this concept is tied to the idea that composers like Schoenberg and Stockhausen sought to create new techniques and systems to replace outdated ones, driving art towards new, unexplored territories. Progress is central to modernist philosophy.

💡Mechanical reproduction

This concept comes from Walter Benjamin’s essay 'The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction', which is mentioned in the video. It discusses how industrialization allows for art to be mass-produced, stripping it of its 'aura' or uniqueness. The video contrasts this with both modernist and postmodernist reactions to the changing role of art in society.

💡Aura

Aura, as explained in the video through Walter Benjamin’s theory, refers to the unique, almost sacred quality that a work of art possesses due to its rarity and historical context. Mechanical reproduction diminishes this aura, making art more accessible but less unique, which in turn affects how both modernists and postmodernists view art’s role in society.

💡Breaking the third wall

Breaking the third wall, discussed in relation to John Cage’s work, refers to the idea of involving the audience directly in the experience of the art, blurring the line between performer and observer. In postmodernism, as shown in Cage's silent piece '4'33', the audience becomes a part of the composition by being aware of the ambient sounds around them.

💡Tonality

Tonality refers to the organization of music around a central pitch or key. In the video, the modernist rejection of tonality is discussed through Schoenberg's 12-tone technique, which discards the traditional tonal system. Modernism sees this as necessary for moving music forward, while postmodernism questions whether such a structure is even necessary.

Highlights

Introduction to modernism and postmodernism in music composition.

Modernism and postmodernism are not specific artistic styles but are general approaches to understanding motivations behind artistic creation.

These ideas help answer important questions about the role of art in modern society—whether it is for entertainment, knowledge expansion, communication, or spirituality.

Modernism is often traced to the early 20th century, emphasizing breaking from tradition and advancing toward a new musical goal.

Adorno represents the modernist idea, believing in artistic progress and advocating the 12-tone technique as a way forward.

Schoenberg, a starting point for modernism, is followed by composers like Boulez, Stockhausen, and Xenakis, who continue the idea of creating new systems to replace older ones.

Postmodernism challenges the modernist idea of progress and the importance of technique in music composition.

John Cage's '4'33'—a piece where the performer does not play a single note—questions the very nature of music and involves the audience in the performance.

Postmodernism is more of a philosophical mindset, questioning what music and art are supposed to convey.

Modernism offers an answer by advocating progress in art, believing that future generations will eventually understand new musical approaches.

Postmodernism, on the other hand, sees no clear path or progress, focusing on questioning the role of art itself.

The role of music and art has changed in a post-industrial society, leading to different perceptions of their purpose.

Walter Benjamin's essay 'The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction' is crucial in understanding how industrialization changed the nature of art.

Modernists believe that traditional art forms are no longer relevant in the modern era, advocating for shedding tradition to move forward artistically.

Postmodernists view this differently, believing that art needs to be reinvented and its role questioned, rather than progressing linearly.

Transcripts

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hey folks welcome to a new general topic

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video about music composition

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in this video i want to talk about two

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broad tendencies about our creation

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that go under the name of modernism and

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postmodernism

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modernism and post-modernism are just

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general

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aggregators of different approaches to

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artistic creation and that can be used

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to

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understand the motivations behind a

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certain work

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or understanding certain stylistic

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features

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first of all let me state that neither

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modernism or postmodernism

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are specific artistic styles

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the fact that they are present in

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different art forms

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is clear indicator that they are not

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referring to a specific

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stylistic choice or artistic movement

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but rather they're useful to understand

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the motivations

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behind certain works and how

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these two ideas are an attempt

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to answer important questions

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about the role of art in modern society

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whether art is entertainment is

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a form of knowledge a way to expand our

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cognitive abilities

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is it a form of communication is it a

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spiritual endeavor

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or is it one of these or is it all of

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the above

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it might be hard to address whether a

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work is

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modernist or postmodernist if we just

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consider a single work

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but these two ideas can be useful

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to address certain stylistic

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trajectories

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and address certain solicit choices over

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time

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so modernism is usually traced to the

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beginning

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of the 20th century uh some people trace

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it a little bit earlier

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and uh it leaves across different art

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forms and in general

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refers to an idea of breaking from

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traditional canon and advanced

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music towards a certain goal

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in my previous video i talked about

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adorno

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adorno is a good representative of the

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modernist idea

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he believes in artistic progress

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and he has clear ideas of what this

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progress should look like

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the 12-tone idea is very modernist

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in a way that drops tonality as

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a system but also because he proposes a

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new way forward

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which is an important tenet of modernism

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not just a rejection of

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tradition but also way forward

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to create new ideas more in tune

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with modern times schoenberg is the

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starting point for

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modernism in music but his general

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approach to music is

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embodied and continued by composers such

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as boulez

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stockhausen and xenakis

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even if they didn't embrace the 12-tone

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idea

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in the way that schoenberg intended they

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still

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embrace the idea of having a new system

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to replace the old system

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do

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postmodernism can only be defined

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after we have defined modernism as it is

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challenging of one of modernism tenets

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which is the idea of progress

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and the importance of technique john

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cage stated

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that the 12 tone technique gives you the

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bricks but no plan

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cross-modernism it goes to the core of

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the problem which is

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what is music to begin with what is its

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role what is it supposed to convey

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and it does not necessarily answer that

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question but

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it just proposes this question to the

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audience

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through the work of art cage famous 433

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which is a piece where the performer

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does not play

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a single note brings the audience into

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the piece

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making it aware of itself really

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breaking the third wall

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between the piece and the audience where

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the audience is

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actively participating in the piece and

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being challenged to question what the

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limits

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of the medium are

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in that sense post-modernism uh is a

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more philosophical

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mindset

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both modernism and postmodernism are an

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attempt to answer this question

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what is music supposed to achieve and

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what it is to begin with

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i think modernism does give an answer

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and answer based on

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a natural progress that the composer is

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supposed to follow

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and each work of art is justified

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if it brings the discussion the

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technique

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the art form forward uh so that

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that's the justification that's the

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impetus behind the modernist

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philosophy if the current audience

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does not understand this particular way

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of writing music

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it's because it's in a way not yet

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understood but it will be in the in the

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future so in a way

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modernists are in a dialogue with future

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generations

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for a postmodernist composer there is no

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clear

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path there is no clear progress that we

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can follow

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the only way that we have to keep

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creating

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is by questioning the art itself

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what is the role of music and the role

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of

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art in modern society is of course a

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question that cannot be answered easily

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or triggered the modernist movement and

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subsequently the postmodernist

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movement is the perception that this

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role has changed in a post-industrial

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society

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the writings of uh walter benjamin

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who is another one of the critical

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theorists

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of the frankfort school is very

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important

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he wrote an essay called the work of art

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in the

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age of mechanical reproduction he

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considers how

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art has changed as a result of

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the industrialization which makes the

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reproduction of the work of art

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an effortless endeavor depriving the art

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of what he calls the aura

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a certain quality which made art unique

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in past times

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if we had to see a painting we had to go

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to that place

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and the object itself possessed this

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aura and made it an invaluable piece

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same thing for a certain piece of music

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that had to be performed and

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was only present in that moment at that

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time

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since this has all changed the work of

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art has

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changed as well modernism responds

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there is still work to be done towards

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an artistic progress but in order to do

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that

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the artist needs to shed all of the

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tradition because it's not relevant

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anymore

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while the postmodernists see this as a

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different problem not a problem of

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moving forward

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but a problem of having to reinvent

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completely the art itself

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and questioning its role so i hope this

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was

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informative thank you for watching and

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until the next time

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take care

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you

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