Tories to 'End Confusion' Over Gender
Summary
TLDRこのインタビューでは、保守党が平等法を改正し、性別を生物学的性別と定義する予定であると語りました。女性と平等の大臣は、選挙戦争中にこの問題に焦点を当てる理由について説明し、法律が創設された際の目的を再確認する必要があると主張しています。彼らは、性別という言葉が誤って解釈され、裁判所の判断により法的性別と同義視されることがあると指摘しています。彼らは、公共機関や民間機関が法律が何を規定しているかを理解できるように、混乱を解消し、女性と子供を守るために法律の明確さを求めています。また、彼らは、単なる自己認識に基づく人々を排除するのではなく、単性別空間を保護し、法律を明確にすることを目的としています。
Takeaways
- 🔊 コンサベティブ党は平等法を改正し、性別を生物学的性別と定義する予定です。
- 🗣️ 女性と平等の大臣は、選挙キャンペーンの一環としてこの問題に焦点を当てています。
- 👥 この問題は多くの人々にとっては主要な問題ではありませんが、特定の人々にとっては重要な問題です。
- 📚 平等法は生物学的性別を保護する特性として定義しており、単一性別サービスのための免除も提供しています。
- 🤔 裁判所の判断により性別という言葉が曖昧になり、性的自己認識と同義として使われているとされています。
- 🏥 政府は単一性別空間が単一性別であることを確認し、また性的自己認識に関する明確さを提供することを目指しています。
- 👗 性的自己認識を持つ人々が単一性別空間にアクセスする権利があるとされていますが、その定義には混乱があります。
- 🏳️🌈 性的自己認識は保護された特性ですが、自己認識に基づく単一性別空間へのアクセスには制約があります。
- 👶 政府は女性と子供を守るだけでなく、性的自己認識を抱く人々も守ることを重視しています。
- 🆚 労働党との対比を強調し、彼らの立場がコンサベティブ党と異なることを示す意図があります。
- 📉 性的自己認識と生物学的性別を明確に区別し、法律上の混乱を解消する改正が求められています。
Q & A
保守党が平等法を改正することを約束する目的は何ですか?
-保守党は、性別を生物学的性別と定義することで、平等法の保護された特性を明確にしようとしています。これは人々が法律の目的を再確認し、法のもとでの行動を理解しやすくすることを目的としています。
平等法2010が問題になるのはなぜですか?
-平等法2010自体は問題ではありませんが、人々がその中の「性別」という言葉を誤って解釈し、曖昧な使用が裁判や雇用裁判で問題になっているためです。
保守党はどのようにして単性別空間を保護する予定ですか?
-保守党は単性別空間が単性別であることを保証し、また、法律の曖昧さを解消することで、人々が訴訟の恐れなしに行動できるようにする予定です。
性別変更された人々が女性専用空間にアクセスできるのはどのような状況ですか?
-生物学的に男性であるが性別変更を経て証明書を取得している場合、彼らは女性専用空間にアクセスできます。
自己認識に基づくジェンダーアイデンティティを持つ人々はどのように扱われますか?
-自己認識に基づくジェンダーアイデンティティを持つ人々については、法律の明確化が必要な場面で混乱が生じる可能性があるとしています。
労働党と保守党はこの問題に対する姿勢はどのように異なりますか?
-労働党は性別と生物学的性別を同じ視する傾向があるとされる一方で、保守党は法律の明確化を通じてその違いを強調する予定です。
性別変更とはどのような意味を持っていますか?
-性別変更は、法律上の性別を変更することを指しており、手術を必要とするわけではありません。これは混乱を招く要因の一つです。
保守党は法律の明確化を通じて何を達成しようとしていますか?
-保守党は、性別とジェンダーの間の混乱を解消し、法律の適用と理解を容易にすることで、保護されたグループだけでなく、性別不一致を経験する人々も守れるようにしようとしています。
病院での治療において、トランスジェンダー女性はどのように扱われますか?
-病院は、プライベート空間を提供するなど、個人の状況に応じた専門サービスを確保する必要があります。
現在の法律の混乱がもたらす問題とはどのようなものですか?
-現在の法律の混乱は、人々が病院での治療やサービスの提供において正確な行動をとるのを困難にさせるだけでなく、権利の侵害を招く恐れもあります。
保守党はどのようにして法律を明確化する予定ですか?
-保守党は、平等法における「性別」という言葉を生物学的性別と定義し、性別変更と生物学的性別を明確に区別することで法律を明確化する予定です。
Outlines
😐 法律における性別とジェンダーの定義
保守党は平等法を改正し、性別を生物学的性別と定義する約束をする。女性と平等大臣は、選挙戦中にもその取り組みを強調する。しかし、これは多くの人々にとってheadline issueではないと語る。大臣は、経済、健康、国家サービスなど様々な分野での発表と同様に、この法の目的を再確認することの重要性を説明する。性別は生物学的性別であり、誤った解釈がなされており、裁判所判断により性别と同義とされているため、その定義を明確にする必要があると主張する。また、単性別サービスのための例外も提供されているが、曖昧な用語が原因で多くの裁判や疑問が生じていると指摘する。大臣は、法律を明確にし、人々が訴訟の恐れなしに生活できるようにするという目的を持っている。
😕 性別とジェンダーの混乱を解消する取り組み
大臣は、性別とジェンダーの間の混乱を解消し、法律を明確にしようとしている。性別は生物学的なものであり、変更できないが、法律上の性別は変更可能であると説明する。ただし、性別変更には、性別認識証書が必要であると強調する。さらに、単性別サービスの提供者には、生物学的性別に基づくサービス提供が可能で、誤解を招く可能性のある用語の使用を避けるよう求める。大臣は、労働党の立場との違いを強調し、彼らはこの問題を理解していると主張する。しかし、複雑さと混乱が依然として存在し、法律の明確化が必要な状況であると語る。
😟 法律の明確化がもたらす課題
インタビューの最後、視聴者が混乱を表現し、インタビュアーも混乱していると謝罪する。トランスジェンダーの女性が病院での治療に関する問題を持ち出され、性別に基づくサービス提供における複雑さを示す。大臣は、法律の明確化がすべての人々にとって生活を容易にするためであり、特に特殊なサービスが必要とされる人々のためにも例外が作られると答える。しかし、病院での対応が複雑であり、性別に基づくサービス提供における混乱が依然として存在するという点を強調する。
Mindmap
Keywords
💡平等法案
💡生物学的性別
💡性別再任定
💡単性サービス
💡性別同一性障害
💡自己認識
💡保護的特徴
💡曖昧さ
💡選挙キャンペーン
💡権利の保護
Highlights
The conservatives promise to amend the Equality Act to define 'sex' as biological sex.
Minister for Women and Equalities Kim Bok discusses the issue on a general election campaign.
The amendment aims to clarify the purpose of the law and prevent misinterpretation of 'sex' as 'gender'.
There have been employment tribunals and court cases due to ambiguous use of 'sex'.
The government wants to provide clarity so public and private institutions understand the law.
The protected characteristic of gender reassignment is for many trans people, but not for those self-identifying without legal recognition.
The government aims to ensure single-sex spaces remain single-sex while providing clarity on legal terms.
Trans women with gender reassignment and a certificate can access women-only spaces.
The distinction between 'sex' and 'gender' is being clarified to avoid confusion.
The government is against forcing service providers to act against the law due to misinterpretation.
Minister Bok emphasizes the difference between their approach and the Labor approach to the issue.
The current law allows for legal sex change with a gender recognition certificate, not biological sex change.
The government seeks to clarify that biological sex is immutable, regardless of legal status.
The Equality Act refers to biological sex, not legal sex, which is often confused.
The proposed changes aim to resolve confusion and provide clear guidelines for service providers.
Minister Bok addresses the complexity of the issue and the need for clarity in law and society.
The government plans to stop mixed-sex wards in the NHS to simplify the situation.
Transcripts
the conservatives today will promise to
amend the equality act to ensure the
protected characteristic of sex is
defined as biological sex Minister for
women and equalities Kim Bok joins us
now very good morning to you good
morning I I'm not sure this is a
headline issue for many people we asked
this morning uh what they were most
concerned about this this wasn't the
issue that came up but it is a headline
in the daily mail this morning sex is a
fact of biology um what are you doing on
this issue and why are you focusing on
it at this stage in your general
election
campaign well this may not be a headline
issue but for some people it is a very
important issue and we're able to do
more than one thing at a time we've come
out with all sorts of different uh
announcements on the economy on health
uh national service and this is yet
another one we have a whole we have a
whole package of policies which we are
talking about but this is one which I'd
actually been working on before the
election was called it was delayed
because of the case uh against the
Scottish government but the the real
purpose is about reemphasizing the
purpose of the law when it was created
sex as is written in the equality act uh
is biological sex uh people have been
reinterpreting it to mean other things
we've had some Court judgments that say
it might be legal sex so we just want to
clarify what the status quo is so that
people understand what to do and don't
need to worry about being sued for
example so so so the equalities act
2010 um is not the problem the problem
is that people have been wrongly
interpreting it since is that right so
the equality the the equality act uh has
sex as a protected characteristic and it
also uh provides exemptions for single
sex uh services but we've seen lots of
employment tribunals lots of court cases
where the the word is being used
Ambiguously being used to be synonymous
with gender so we are providing
clarification about what it means so
that public authorities private
institutions know what the law states
there's been much confusion because
organizations like Stonewall have put
out guidance people have been measuring
themselves against other people's
guidance other people's interpretation
of the law we are uh emphasizing what
the law is to make sure that we can
protect women and children you're pres
but I mean to this boldly you
are trying to stop trans women accessing
women only spaces no that is not what
we're trying to do we are trying to make
sure that Single Sex spaces are single
sex spaces but also making sure it is
clear what trans means there is a
protected characteristic of gender uh
gender reassignment uh many trans people
fall under that characteristic but there
are also people who are self-identifying
as trans if Ed decided to put on women's
clothes uh uh should he be able to
access a women's space many people are
confused about what all those things
mean and we are uh creating that Clarity
in the law and also making it reserved
so the devolved governments don't change
things we need to have one law for all
of the United Kingdom not different
things in different stes so if you've
had gender reassignment as a transwoman
so biologically born in a male body but
having had gender reassignment and have
a certificate then you can access women
only spaces because I think the one of
the couple of the examples used female
toilets and Rape Crisis
refugees you saying that if you are born
in a biologically male body but you have
been through gender reassignment you
will be able to access those spaces
under this new proposal but if you
identify as a different gender you will
not uh broadly that is what we are
trying to do even things like gender
reassignments people are trying to claim
it to mean something else that it
doesn't mean there is a lot of confusion
in this space but remember it'll be
about the service uh it'll be about the
service provider so if you as an
organization say this is the service we
provide it is only for biological women
you can't be sued by someone with a
gender recognition certificate there are
many service providers who will provide
services for women and trans women it is
about making sure that people can do
what they want to provide rather than
being forced to do something different
because other people are abusing the law
and of course um Minister we're in an
election campaign so part of the purpose
here is to say that there is a
difference in your approach and the
labor approach so just to go back to
what K starma said in March 2022 he said
a woman is a female adult and in in
addition to that trans women are women
and that is not just my view that is
actually the law what you're saying is
that he is
right if trans women have gone through
gender reassignment then they are women
in the eyes of the law but he's wrong if
he says um that applies to people who
choose to identify as a trans women is
that the distinction you're wanting to
clarify legally um it it's it it's
something like that is a very complex uh
is a very complex issue gender
reassignment now doesn't even mean
people who are uh going through surgery
so that's something that I I I need to
make clear so even as you use that
protective characteristic term of gender
reassignment it doesn't mean surgery
this is why there is so much confusion
I'm afraid K starmer I don't think
really understands the issue he said all
sorts of different things he said it's
not right to say only women can have a
cervix he's flip-flopped on the issue uh
I think labor are all over the place on
this we are the only party who
understand the issue and we're trying to
bring Clarity we don't like the way that
this issue keeps coming coming up again
and again it's being exploited by all
sorts of um of actors and campaign
groups and activists we want to bring
more light and less heat we want to make
sure that not just women and children
are protected but also those people who
do suffer from gender dysphoria who have
had their protected characteristic being
used and abused by all sorts of Bad
actors to do things that the law never
intended but but the point of the thing
I just read out to you just kind of as
you said it's confusing and kind of
complicated when k s said a woman is a
female um adult and in addition to that
trans women are women and that's not
just my view that is actually the law I
mean he's right isn't he if he's talking
about people who've gone through gender
reassignment well the law as it stands
uh the last thing that that's been
stated is the howan Judgment that says
legal sex uh is the uh can be used for
the purposes of the equality act that
doesn't mean somebody uh who is a trans
woman because not all trans women have
changed their legal sex this is why we
are clarifying the law in this area is a
mess uh the gender recognition act 2004
equality Act of 2010 were written at a
time when people use words differently
the grra uh uses the word transexual
some people find that term offensive
today so we are bringing Clarity to it
there is so much confusion and what you
just read out Ed is a classic example of
some of the confusion that the changes
that we will bring in will help help to
clear up but but this is really
important and I think think actually
it's important to say this about you
because there'll be some people who will
mischaracterize your position you are
saying that somebody can legally change
their
sex what I'm at at the moment the law
says a legal sex is changed with a
gender recognition certificate but legal
sex is not biological sex we are trying
to emphasize that the the equality Act
is talking about biological sex it's
what you were born as your body part you
may change your legal sex at the mement
with a certificate and how that applies
in different scenarios there's a lot of
confusion there's confusion about the
terminology even the conversation we're
having shows that you want saying that
somebody can legally change their sex
aren't you you you can you cannot change
you cannot change your sex you can
change your legal sex that's what the
courts have said um so you are saying
you're happy with people changing their
legal sex yes people can people can
change their legal sex of course I think
some people think that you're saying the
opposite that your sex is what you're
born with with but you're actually
saying no I want to clarify in law that
somebody can change their legal sex it's
not the case if you're a woman you're
always a woman you want to change the
law to be clear that somebody can change
their legal sex that people well when we
do this we will be able to properly
distinguish between sex and gender which
are words that have been used
interchangeably in the law but which now
today they're used to mean two different
things I think it really interesting
though because I read the newspapers and
I assumed you were saying the opposite I
thought you were going to to legislate
to say that people cannot change their
sex at Birth where you're actually
telling us you're going to clarify the
law to say that somebody can change
their legal sex which is very different
from what the newspap no I'm sorry Ed
that's not that's not what I said we
clarifying the law to say that the
equality act where it refers to sex is
talking about biological sex yeah a
gender recognition we I I actually think
we need to move away from the term legal
sex and talk about gender we have a
gender recognition use that term me yeah
yeah yes because that's what the law is
now so I'm I'm talking about what the
law is and how we're trying to clarify
it to make it clearer for the future you
can change your gender uh of course you
can that is why we have uh transgender
people but we want transgender to mean
transgender uh sex is immutable
biological sex is immutable doesn't
matter what a piece of paper uh says you
cannot change your sex but of course we
as Society want people who want to
change their gender to be able to do so
uh without fear of discrimin
or we also want those who are providing
sex Based Services to understand what
the law is okay just finally because I
am really no clearer than I was when I
started this interview and I can only
apologize to viewers for that so I'm
going to put a viewer's comment to you I
am a transwoman my GP wants me to go
into hospital for a test which could be
cancer I have anxiety when going near
hospitals as the thought of being on a
male Ward scares me more than cancer
I've been attacked by men so my fear is
Justified now as a transwoman that is
somebody who has been born into a
biological male body but now is a
transwoman should that transwoman go
onto a male Ward where they feel
threatened and intimidated or should
they go onto a female Ward where some
women might not want to be on a ward
with somebody who was born into a
biological male
body yes Susanna what you've described
is uh exactly uh the scenario that shows
how difficult the space is and you don't
need to apologize for being confused
this is the point we're making that the
law itself is confused and people don't
really understand what to do but I'm
worried about this viewer where do they
go I will come to I will come to that
I'll come to that in a moment we are
trying to make life easier for everybody
including uh this person who has written
to you this is a transwoman who says
that they've been attacked by men we
have women who afraid of trans women we
want to make sure that the exceptions
can be made for those people who need
specialized services but even the
scenario you described uh is something
that hospitals are having to deal with
they sending letters about prate they're
sending letters about prostate cancer to
people who are women because they are
trans which do they go on to as I said
this this is something which the
hospitals be able to provide private
spaces at the moment we have a scenario
where different people in both Wards are
saying that they don't want to be in
them this is very complex this is very
complex and this will create Clarity but
uh we don't we have stopped mix sex
Wards um in the NHS this is something
that we have already announced so that's
not um that's not an issue KY B thanks
very much thank you very much indeed um
complicated it's very complicated and at
the and this morning we have nurses
saying that they're treating people in
corridors so the idea of sort of private
spaces for people I'm not sure this
legislation clears up
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