On conditions of level-ups in English (06/03/2024)
Summary
TLDRThe speaker discusses the stages of learning English, emphasizing that it's a continuous process with distinct stages rather than steps. They explain that starting from casual involvement (A1), one progresses to active involvement (A2-B2), and eventually to full-time involvement (C1-C2). The speaker suggests that with expert feedback and practice, learners can overcome the B2 plateau and reach a level where they can understand and enjoy movies in English. They also recommend The Simpsons as a suitable show for English learners due to its repetitive vocabulary. The importance of regular testing to gauge progress is highlighted, and the speaker encourages learners to invest more time and effort to advance their English skills.
Takeaways
- 📚 Learning English is a continuous process, not a series of discrete steps.
- 🎓 There are three distinct stages of learning English: casual involvement (A1), active involvement (A2-B2), and full-time involvement (C1-C2).
- 👵 Casual involvement is the beginner stage where one understands and uses basic isolated words.
- 📈 Active involvement is where practice, expert feedback, and growth occur, leading to intermediate proficiency levels.
- 🏆 The B2 plateau is a critical point where learners need to change their approach to continue improving.
- 🎬 To reach C1 level, where one can fully understand movies, requires more effort, determination, and practice.
- 🗣️ Expert feedback is crucial for identifying and correcting errors in pronunciation and grammar.
- 📉 Feelings of not improving are unreliable; third-party tests can provide an objective assessment of progress.
- 🚫 There are no situations where a person should not be taught English, as long as they are willing to learn.
- 📺 The Simpsons is recommended as an easier English movie option for learners to practice comprehension.
- 💪 Continuous effort and additional activities like book clubs or teaching others can help break through the B2 plateau.
Q & A
What does the speaker mean when they mention 'casual involvement' in learning English?
-Casual involvement refers to the initial stage of learning English, where a person might know a few isolated words and can understand basic phrases, similar to how a young child or someone with no formal training might understand language.
What is the significance of the 'active involvement' stage in language learning?
-Active involvement is the stage where a learner starts practicing the language more seriously, seeking expert feedback, and making noticeable progress. This is the phase where a learner moves from basic understanding to more complex language use.
What is the 'B2 Plateau' in language learning, and why is it important?
-The B2 Plateau is a point where learners often find their progress slowing down. It's a critical stage where they need to change their approach and possibly invest more time and effort to continue improving.
How does the speaker suggest overcoming the B2 Plateau?
-The speaker suggests that to overcome the B2 Plateau, learners need to change their approach, seek more expert feedback, and possibly engage in full-time involvement with the language, such as joining book clubs, speaking clubs, or even teaching others.
What is the difference between C1 and C2 levels in language proficiency?
-C1 is the level where a learner can understand and watch movies in English, while C2 is the level where a learner's language skills are comparable to a native speaker's.
Why does the speaker recommend watching The Simpsons for English learners?
-The speaker recommends The Simpsons because it uses a limited vocabulary with repeated words, making it easier for learners at a lower proficiency level to understand and follow the content.
What should a learner do if they feel they are not improving in their English learning?
-The speaker advises learners to get tested independently, using low-cost tests like Duolingo, to objectively assess their progress and identify areas for improvement.
Is there a situation where a person should not be taught English, according to the speaker?
-The speaker does not believe there is a situation where someone should not be taught English, implying that anyone can benefit from learning the language.
What is the role of expert feedback in the language learning process?
-Expert feedback is crucial for providing learners with an objective assessment of their language skills, helping them identify mistakes and areas for improvement that they might not be able to recognize on their own.
How does the speaker describe the progression from A1 to B2 in language learning?
-The speaker describes the progression as a continuous process with distinct stages, not just steps. It starts with casual involvement (A1), moves to active involvement (A2 to B2), and then reaches a plateau (B2) where a change in approach is needed to continue improving.
What is the importance of practice and input in language learning?
-Practice and input are essential for language learning as they allow learners to apply their knowledge, receive feedback, and continue to grow in their understanding and use of the language.
Outlines
📚 The Struggle of English Mastery
The speaker discusses the challenges of learning English, particularly the difficulty of expressing complex thoughts in English compared to Russian. They mention their struggle with a documentary film homework assignment and the feeling of not being able to confidently articulate their thoughts in English. The speaker introduces the concept of learning English in stages, not as a series of steps, and describes the first stage as 'casual involvement,' akin to their grandmother's basic English knowledge.
🚀 Progressing from Casual to Active Learning
The speaker explains the second stage of English learning, 'active involvement,' where learners start practicing and receiving expert feedback. They mention the progression from A2 to B1 and eventually to the B2 Plateau, emphasizing the importance of expert feedback and the slowing pace of improvement. The speaker also discusses the need for a change in approach to move beyond the B2 Plateau and reach C1, where one can fully understand movies in English.
🎬 Watching Movies in English: A C1 Milestone
The speaker addresses the original question about watching movies in English, suggesting that it's a milestone for reaching C1 level. They recommend The Simpsons as a suitable show for those below C1 level due to its repetitive vocabulary. The speaker also touches on the importance of self-assessment through testing and encourages learners to seek third-party evaluations of their progress, rather than relying solely on feelings of improvement.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Casual Involvement
💡Active Involvement
💡B2 Plateau
💡C1 Level
💡C2 Level
💡Expert Feedback
💡Full-Time Involvement
💡The Simpsons
💡Language Proficiency Levels
💡Language Learning Strategies
Highlights
The speaker discusses the challenges of learning English and the ability to watch movies or express thoughts in the language.
The speaker explains that learning English is not a step-by-step process but a continuous one.
Three distinct stages of English learning are identified: casual involvement, active involvement, and full-time involvement.
At the casual involvement stage (A1), learners understand basic phrases and isolated words.
Active involvement (A2 to B2) requires practice, expert feedback, and growth.
The B2 plateau is a stage where learners need to change their approach to continue improving.
To move from B2 to C1, learners need full-time involvement and more practice beyond lessons.
C1 is the level where learners can watch movies and understand them completely.
C2 is the level where learners are comparable to native speakers.
The speaker recommends The Simpsons as a movie suitable for learners at a lower level than C1.
Learners should get tested to objectively measure their progress and improvement.
The feeling of not improving is usually not reliable, and third-party tests are encouraged.
The speaker emphasizes the importance of expert feedback in the B1 to B2 stages.
The speaker suggests that there is no situation where a person should not be taught English.
The speaker shares personal experience of teaching English and how it helped them improve to a higher level.
The speaker encourages learners to seek out more ways to practice and get involved with the language.
The speaker emphasizes the need for more effort, determination, and self-study with expert feedback to reach C1 level.
The speaker concludes by inviting questions and offering further discussion on the topic.
Transcripts
so uh the question was I am what you've
been learning English for a long time
you don't feel like you can do things
that um uh you want to do like watch
movies
right uh yeah so what does it mean right
what does it mean for you is that a
question
C yes not only film for example our
homework I
um um I wrote the text about documentary
film uh but it was very hard especially
the second part uh what do you think
about it uh and for example I can
explain in Russian
in many words what I think about it
because it was very hard documentary
film uh it's a philosophical something
from this area uh and uh I understood
that in English I can't explain all my
thoughts for example and uh during two
days after uh my home task I um
still uh try to uh to write anything
else about
it but I'm not so confident yet in this
so yeah um here is how in general
learning in a domain works let me just
tag this and probably I will I will use
this for um an educational video later
on so uh how do we gain Mastery how do
we uh learn English to the point that
you understand
movies that you can quick
verbalize your
thoughts
right so this doesn't happen in steps
right it's nice to think of it as steps
right so this is the first level then
step then another level then step
another level and so on but it doesn't
work like this in English
obviously um English is is more
continuous just like any other
domain
and so there are three very
distinctive uh very distinct I would say
uh
stages three stages they are not steps
they are not A1
A2 they are more like uh this so here
comes the first stage I'll use red I
hope it will be fine this is when you
are a casual
casual so my
grandmother she doesn't speak English
but she knows how do you do she knows um
like she knows te right and other
isolated words so she can say some
things okay so she's a casual she hears
what word they say and she understands
has the meaning uh she is here that's my
grandmother that's you at the beginning
of grade one at school okay if you
didn't study
before casual involvement and um It's
relatively quick right it's not great
compared to like higher levels but it's
amazing if you compare this level with
this level right
this and this it's incredible right it's
a million times better than before so
this is casual
involvement we can genuinely say that
this is uh what we call
A1 A1 you can get this just by looking
at uh price tags in
shops just by listen listening to people
and you know you can do this just basic
very basic
stuff after this if you don't uh study
English if you don't practice it you
stay forever
here until the end of your life my
grandmother
is around 80 something she will not jump
okay she didn't study she didn't invest
her time and
energy so then if you do invest your
time and energy you proceed to the
second second um level of this game uh
let's call it active
involvement active involvement so this
is the year when you start your
practice
and it goes you can see it's like a
hyper bow you go higher you
get uh
practice you get expert feedback and you
grow okay so you you get to
A2 and then it gets to B1
right and then eventually you get to
this Plateau called
B2 right this is where where you are uh
we are now studying here so this is
where you mik and Nikita are so this is
our course
here uh what you do right uh to make it
successful you need to get input you
need to get practice but also
importantly uh you need to get expert
feedback all right expert feedback there
is uh the teacher or expert that's
me
who already knows the domain who already
knows the the stuff can tell you what
you are doing right and
wrong okay and be able to give you
scores in a way that you cannot do
yourself all right so you cannot
give uh yourself a score on let's say
pronunciation or you cannot find out
what your grammar mistakes were
immediately right you need somebody to
do that that's me so this is B1 to
B2 and as you can see it slows down
right so initially it's very fast it's
slower slower slower until you reach the
plateau this is the famous B2
Plateau this is where things need to
change again okay so so this is where
just a teacher just
um expert feedback is not enough and
what you want k um coming back to your
original
question is uh probably this level
C1 this is where you watch movies
okay um I'll type it type it here you
start watching movies but you completely
understand
movies um at the next level which is C2
C2 is where you are comparable to a
native
speaker but what happens like how do you
go from let's say B2 at the end of this
course to a C1 this is where you get
full-time involvement this is where you
really start spending a lot of time on
top of just
lessons with feedback you do give it a
lot of attention so uh let's say you are
doing book clubs and speaking clubs and
maybe you teach your nephew or niece or
somebody right or maybe so you do get
more and more practice with the
language and there are a lot of ways
that you can get this practice in Moscow
it's especially
easy uh but typic typically you add a
lot
more uh commitment a lot more time and
practice practice or maybe you even
start to teach it to friends explain it
to children so you actually get more and
more involved for example I was uh
around this level when I started
teaching and then as I taught people I
grew
higher to a higher
level from casual to the B levels you
add expert
feedback now coming back to
your to your original question you
probably will not be able to watch
movies until you are a C1 but
C1 it's the level after what we finished
this course with so it's pretty soon
however you would need to add more
effort more determination and obviously
a lot of work should be done yourself
with expert feedback before
then there are ways to make your task
easier for example what if there is a
movie that you can
watch um already at a lower level let's
say not at C1 but here
and it turns out yes there is a movie
like this um I highly recommend The
Simpsons statistically judging by the
number of words they
repeat like the the range in The
Simpsons this is something that is
easier than ordinary movies so my
recommendation K is try the
Simpson maybe it will make sense and it
will be just the right difficulty right
now um so yeah that's my explanation in
terms of uh English levels when you get
what and how to make sure that U at some
point you will watch
movies sure sure yeah please ask me
questions since we are talking about
this I think you might might have
questions I have no question just
all right so
um is there a situation in which a
person should not be taught English
right it's not a good idea for them um
probably there is I just don't think
this is the case with any of you
obviously because otherwise uh we would
not be having this class um I here I
need to Second what Nikita said uh if
you're feeling like you are not
improving get
tested get tested take various tests
usually um it can be low cost tests like
dual lingo and they will show you how
you are improving or not improving so
you need to have third party test to be
sure about this just the
feeling is usually not
reliable
so yeah I encourage everybody to get
tested independently this is very
cool right uh Niki do you have
questions no I don't
okay
okay so I'll
probably what I'm going to
do is uh stop the recording
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