Prof. Mearsheimer WARNS of the CATASTROPHIC Outcomes of the Ukraine and Middle East Conflicts
Summary
TLDRLe script aborde les conflits en Ukraine et à Gaza, soulignant l'aggravation de la situation et l'absence de preuve d'une résolution imminente. Il critique l'approche du Secrétaire d'État américain, Tony Blinken, et la politique américaine envers ces conflits, y voyant une escalade potentielle plutôt que des solutions. Le texte mentionne également les défis aux politiques étrangères des États-Unis, notamment envers l'Iran et le Hezbollah, et le rôle prédominant du lobby israélien aux États-Unis.
Takeaways
- 🌍 La situation dans les conflits à Gaza et en Ukraine s'est détériorée par rapport à leur début, avec une potentielle escalade significative.
- 🔍 Il n'y a pas de preuve que les conflits israélo-palestinien ou ukraino-russe vont se résoudre prochainement, et l'on craint qu'ils ne s'aggravent avec le temps.
- 🤔 L'auteur considère que les commentaires du Secrétaire d'État des États-Unis, Tony Blinken, sur les conflits sont déconnectés de la réalité, allant jusqu'à les qualifier de délirants.
- 🏹 Le président russe Vladimir Poutine n'a jamais eu l'intention de conquérir l'Ukraine entière, et les commentaires sur les performances des Ukrainiens sur le champ de bataille sont incorrects.
- 🇺🇦 En Ukraine, les Russes sont en train de vaincre sur le champ de bataille, avec un taux de perte beaucoup plus bas que les Ukrainiens.
- ⚡️ Les attaques russes ont endommagé considérablement le réseau énergétique ukrainien, réduisant la fourniture d'électricité à de nombreux endroits.
- 📈 L'Occident, et en particulier les États-Unis, ont renforcé leur soutien à l'Ukraine, avec un engagement de sécurité de 10 ans et une augmentation des sanctions contre la Russie.
- 🚀 La possibilité que l'Ukraine utilise des missiles à longue portée pour des frappes profondes dans le territoire russe est un point de tension et pourrait conduire à une escalade grave.
- 🛡️ Il y a des pressions internes en Russie pour une riposte plus ferme face aux attaques et à la pression des super-aigles américains qui souhaitent monter l'escalier de l'escalade.
- 🕊️ L'auteur suggère que les États-Unis et l'Occident ont peu de marge de manœuvre pour influencer la situation, en particulier en raison du lobby israélien aux États-Unis.
- 🔄 Les conflits actuels menacent de s'interconnecter et d'élargir, mettant en péril la stabilité régionale et internationale, avec des implications potentiellement nucléaires.
Q & A
Quelles sont les principales crises évoquées dans le script ?
-Les principales crises évoquées sont la guerre en Ukraine et le conflit israélo-palestinien à Gaza.
Quelle est la situation actuelle en Ukraine selon le script ?
-La situation en Ukraine s'est détériorée depuis le début du conflit en février 2022, avec des progrès lents mais constants des forces russes et un taux de pertes élevé pour les Ukrainiens.
Quel rôle joue les États-Unis dans le conflit en Ukraine d'après le script ?
-Les États-Unis sont fortement engagés en Ukraine, fournissant un soutien financier et militaire significatif, tout en augmentant les sanctions contre la Russie.
Comment le script décrit-il la situation énergétique en Ukraine ?
-La Russie a ciblé le réseau électrique ukrainien, entraînant des coupures d'électricité majeures dans de nombreuses régions du pays.
Quelle est la position du script sur la possibilité d'escalade des conflits en Ukraine et à Gaza ?
-Le script suggère que les deux conflits ont un potentiel élevé d'escalade et qu'ils risquent de s'aggraver avec le temps.
Comment le script évalue-t-il la performance militaire des Ukrainiens sur le champ de bataille ?
-Le script affirme que les forces ukrainiennes subissent de lourdes pertes et ne parviennent pas à progresser de manière significative contre les forces russes.
Quelle est l'analyse du script concernant l'usage des missiles ATACMS par l'Ukraine ?
-Le script considère que l'utilisation des missiles ATACMS pour des frappes en profondeur en territoire russe pourrait entraîner une grave escalade du conflit.
Quelle est l'attitude de la Russie envers l'escalade du conflit selon le script ?
-La Russie cherche à éviter une escalade qui pourrait entraîner un conflit direct avec l'OTAN ou les États-Unis, bien qu'elle soit sous pression interne pour adopter une approche plus agressive.
Quelles sont les perspectives de résolution des conflits selon le script ?
-Il n'y a aucun signe que les conflits en Ukraine ou à Gaza se résoudront bientôt; au contraire, ils risquent de s'intensifier.
Comment le script décrit-il l'implication des États-Unis au Moyen-Orient, notamment concernant l'Iran et le Hezbollah ?
-Le script décrit une situation complexe où les États-Unis sont impliqués dans divers conflits au Moyen-Orient et craignent de s'engager dans une guerre plus large avec l'Iran ou le Hezbollah.
Outlines
🌍 Analyse des conflits ukrainien et gazzien
Le paragraphe 1 aborde les conflits récents en Ukraine et à Gaza, soulignant que la situation s'est détériorée depuis le début des hostilités respectives en février 2022 et en octobre. L'auteur exprime que la potentialité d'escalade est significative dans les deux cas et que les conflits n'ont pas de signes d'apaisement imminent. Il critique l'opinion de Tony Blinken sur la situation en Ukraine et en Gaza, estimant que ses propos sont déconnectés de la réalité des combats, où les Russes ont l'avantage sur les Ukrainiens en termes de perte humaine et de dégâts matériels. La réaction des États-Unis à ces conflits est également examinée, avec un engagement renforcé à l'égard de l'Ukraine, y compris un accord de sécurité de dix ans et des sanctions accrues contre la Russie.
🚀 Escalade potentielle et stratégies militaires
Dans le paragraphe 2, l'auteur discute de l'utilisation des missiles ATACMS par l'Ukraine et la possibilité d'une frappe profonde dans le territoire russe, ce qui constituerait une escalade grave du conflit. Il analyse la pression sur Vladimir Poutine à l'intérieur de la Russie, où certains veulent une riposte plus ferme aux actions américaines et ukrainiennes. L'auteur envisage des mesures de représailles mesurées par la Russie, comme l'abattement de drones ou l'attaque de cibles occidentales en Ukraine, mais suggère que la Russie évitera une escalade vers un conflit avec l'OTAN ou les États-Unis, qui pourrait mener à un affrontement nucléaire.
🕊️ Espoirs et réalités des négociations de paix
Le paragraphe 3 se concentre sur les objectifs américains en Ukraine et les stratégies pour arriver à une table de négociation, malgré la difficulté de revenir aux frontières antérieures. L'auteur critique l'idée d'une victoire militaire définitive pour l'Ukraine et met en garde contre les conséquences d'une escalade, notamment la destruction accrue du territoire ukrainien et la potentielle intervention russe. Il souligne également les risques d'une guerre avec l'Iran et les implications d'une intervention militaire américaine dans la région, insistant sur la nécessité d'éviter une escalade nucléaire.
🤝 Limitations de la politique étrangère américaine
Dans le paragraphe 4, l'auteur traite des défis auxquels les États-Unis sont confrontés dans leurs relations avec Israël et les groupes militants du Moyen-Orient, comme le Hamas et Hezbollah. Il décrit les limites de l'influence américaine envers Israël en raison du pouvoir du lobby israélien aux États-Unis, qui empêche une politique étrangère indépendante. L'auteur exprime ses préoccupations quant à la possibilité d'une invasion israélienne du Liban, qui pourrait entraîner une escalade régionale impliquant la Syrie, la Russie et potentiellement l'Iran.
🔄 Défis et implications de la politique israélienne
Le paragraphe 5 aborde la perception d'entitlement d'Israël vis-à-vis des États-Unis et la politique étrangère israélienne sous le leadership de Netanyahu. L'auteur critique l'absence de volonté politique américaine pour contrer les actions de l'Israël, soulignant que cela limite les options américaines pour résoudre les conflits dans la région. Il envisage également les conséquences d'une éventuelle guerre entre Israël et Hezbollah, et la possibilité d'une intervention russe et iranienne, ce qui pourrait entraîner une escalade internationale.
🏛️ Stratégies et résistance à la politique étrangère
Dans le paragraphe 6, l'auteur suggère que, malgré les bonnes intentions de Trump sur l'Ukraine, l'exécution de sa politique étrangère est incertaine en raison des défis internes et de la résistance à ses politiques. Il met en évidence les obstacles à la mise en œuvre d'une politique étrangère efficace, y compris la pression du lobby israélien et les dynamiques internes aux États-Unis.
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Keywords
💡Gaza
💡Ukraine
Highlights
Comparing the Gaza war and the Ukraine War, the speaker emphasizes the worsening situation and significant potential for escalation in both conflicts.
The lack of evidence supporting the notion that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or the Ukraine-Russia conflict will settle down soon.
Tony Blinken's perspective on the Ukraine and Gaza conflicts is described as delusional rather than deceitful.
Contrary to assertions, Putin was never interested in conquering all of Ukraine, and current battlefield conditions favor Russia.
The Russian military's progress in Ukraine, including the impact on the Ukrainian energy grid and the significant casualties on the Ukrainian side.
The West, particularly the United States, is doubling down on its commitment to Ukraine, with increased financial and military support.
The recent G7 meeting in Italy reinforced support for Ukraine and imposed further sanctions on Russia.
The U.S. consummated a 10-year security agreement with Ukraine, seen as a provocation from a Russian perspective.
The potential for the U.S. to authorize the use of ATACMS for deep strikes into Russian territory, escalating the conflict.
Criticism within Russia
Transcripts
I think that if you look at the Gaza war
and you look at the Ukraine War uh and
by the way we're putting aside the
potential for conflict in the East China
Sea uh which is quite significant these
days but if you look at Ukraine and you
look at Gaza it's quite clear for that
that that we have been in a lot of
trouble uh in in Ukraine since February
2022 when the war started and in uh Gaza
since that conflict started last October
7th but when you think about sort of
where we are today compared to where we
were when both of those conflicts
started it seems quite clear that the
situation has worsened and the potential
for escalation in both cases is quite
significant moreover there's no evidence
that either one of these conflicts uh
the Israeli Palestinian
conflict uh or the
uh Ukraine Russia conflict both of which
we're deeply involved in are going to
settle down anytime soon and indeed it
looks like they're going to get uh worse
over time and that's why I think in good
part uh the potential for escalation is
so great in both cases it's not a lie if
what he is saying is delusional he
really believes this then it's not a lie
it's just delusional and I think that
Tony blinkin on a number of key
dimensions of both the Ukraine conflict
and the Gaza conflict is not lying he's
just delusional and in a very important
way that's probably worse than lying but
the fact is that Putin was never
interested in conquering all of Ukraine
there's no evidence to support that
assertion but more importantly given
where we are today his comment that
Ukraine is doing quite well on the
battlefield and it in effect is di the
Russians is simply wrong if you look at
what's happening on the battlefield and
even even deeper into Ukraine in terms
of the military conflict the Russians
are clobbering the ukrainians they're
killing huge numbers of Ukrainian
soldiers up on the front lines they're
making slow progress on the ground for
sure in terms of capturing territory but
as you and I both know that's not what
really matters here what matters is the
casualty exchange ratio and the casualty
exchange ratio decisively favors the
Russians at this point in time who have
more manpower to begin with furthermore
when you look at what the Russians are
doing with their airow the amount of
Destruction uh that they're creating uh
with regard to for example the Ukrainian
energy Grid it's quite stunning uh
they've brought down enough of that grid
that half of Ukraine's electricity is no
more and in many places in Ukraine they
are not getting any electricity for 10
hours a day and if anything this
situation is going to deteriorate in the
months ahead as the Russians continue to
Target the grid the truth is we meaning
the west and especially the United
States are committed to doubling down
and you saw this the recent G7 meeting
uh that took place in Italy in mid June
uh what we did and again I'm talking
about the west but mainly the United
States was we reinforced we reinforced
our commitment to
Ukraine uh we supplied them with $50
billion doar uh we increased the
sanctions on Russia and very importantly
the United States consummated a 10 year
security agreement with Ukraine and both
ziny president zilinski of Ukraine and
Secretary of State blinkin said that
this was quote unquote a bridge to
Bringing Ukraine into NATO from a
Russian point of view this is you know
completely unacceptable it's like waving
a red flag in front of a bull as we used
to say when I was a kid uh it's just
asking for trouble so all of this is to
say Danny that we are doubling down on
our commitment to Ukraine we are more
invested than ever we have long said
that using atacam uh against Crimea and
that's where this attack this past
Sunday took place is acceptable and the
Administration has now said this is the
Biden Administration has now said that
they can use
attacs uh to attack Ukrainian forces
right across the Russia Ukraine border
so that's a very important threshold
that we've crossed there there we're
saying that the ukrainians can use the
atacam as long as it's just across the
Russo Ukrainian border the really key
issue here is whether at some point we
give the ukrainians the green light to
use the attack atacam for deep strikes
into Russian
territory uh and if we do that that will
be a true serious escalation uh the
Russians have not retaliated given the
limited strikes into the Russian
territory that lies just on the other
side of the Ukrainian border and uh the
attacks in Crimea the only reason they
have caused such a calal uh is because
civilians were killed and uh uh so you
have to be very careful to discriminate
between the different kinds of attacks
with these atacam missiles which which
are clearly American supplied weapons I
just preface my comments by saying that
it's important to understand that there
is a lot of criticism inside of Russia
uh of Vladimir Putin for not being tough
enough in terms of waging this war so
there is pressure on him to uh to
Counterattack to go back at the United
States for what happened from all sorts
of people respected people in the
Russian blogosphere and also a number of
established figures in the Russian
foreign policy Elite uh Putin has really
not as I like to say turned the dogs
loose yet and there are a number of
people who would like to do that uh and
at some point he may be forced to do
that it's hard to say exactly what he
will do in terms of retaliation the way
I think of this Danny is you never want
to lose sight of what your principal
goal is when you wage your war and your
principal goal here is to defeat the
ukrainians uh on the battlefield and to
get some sort of Peace settlement that
you find
satisfactory and at the same time if
you're the Russians you want to avoid
escalation you do not want to end up in
a war with NATO uh and you especially
don't want to end up in a war with the
United States so you have to be very
careful that you pursue the right policy
uh so that you can achieve both of those
goals and I think that given the way
Putin has waged the war they are doing
very well on the battlefield and they
have done an excellent job from a
Russian perspective of not causing
escalation despite the fact that it's
clear that the ukrainians would like to
drag NATO and especially the Americans
into the fight uh there's no question
about that and we have to be aware of
that all the time zinski wants us to
come into the fight and again the
Russians don't want us to come into the
fight and the Russians are doing very
well on the battlefield so I think if
they do retaliate it will be a measured
retaliation they may shoot down some
drones of ours out over the Black
Sea uh or something like that they may
go after some Western targets inside of
Ukraine in ways they haven't in the past
but I think it will be limited response
uh in large part because it would not
make sense to do anything that would
possibly bring uh NATO into the fight I
think he's simply wrong uh he he's a war
hawk par excellance and he understands
full well that the ukrainians are losing
and he's desperate to find some sort of
magic way uh to fix this problem and to
help the ukrainians win and he thinks
that using tack coms for longdistance
strikes into the Russian Homeland is
going to fix the problem on the
battlefield uh there's no reason to
think that that's going to happen I
think it's going to have hardly any
effect if any effect on what happens on
the battlefield and we could get into
why that's the case but this is just
evidence of the pressure that's going to
be brought to bear on the Biden
Administration to up the antie uh as the
ukrainians continue to lose on the
battle field and if we up the ante if we
do what Keane wants to do the question
you have to ask yourself is what are the
Russians going to do and at some point
the Russians are going to retaliate in a
really big way as I said I don't think
they're going to retaliate in a really
big way because of what happened this
past Sunday uh with the attack on the uh
people on the beach in Sesto I I think
the Russian response will be uh limited
but I think once you be begin to pound
away at the Russian Homeland deep into
the Russian Homeland uh the Russians are
going to feel compelled to respond in a
big way and then the question what are
we gonna do and then the question after
that is what are the Russians going to
do I think that the key people in the
administration are sophisticated enough
to understand that going back to the
1991 Borders or even the 20202 borders
is not going to happen and I think the
best they hope for at this point is what
Sullivan described which is to basically
sty the Russian offensive Force the
Russians to come to the negotiating
table and get the best possible deal for
Ukraine and that's the justification all
sorts of people not just Soloman but
people outside the Administration use
for continuing to support Ukraine for
doing what we did at the G7 meeting but
they're dead wrong because what's going
happen here is if the war continues
which is what will happen given
Sullivan's
policies uh if the war continues Ukraine
is going to lose more territory more
people are going to be killed and
furthermore the Russians are going to
have an even greater incentive to wreck
what's left of Ukraine to have a truly
dysfunctional rum State let's say that
the Russians were to Target uh you know
a weapon Depot in the eastern part of
Poland or in the eastern part of
Romania actually up the ante in a really
serious way the question you have to ask
yourself is what are we gonna do and I
don't think there's much we can do what
are we gonna do launch uh American
missiles at the Russian
Homeland uh we're not talking about
himars here or atacam we're talking
about you know uh missiles you know
based in Western Europe or based on
submarines or uh flown by American
aircraft are we going to do that I don't
think so uh so I think if you go up the
escalation ladder as a lot of people
want to do I mean this is getting back
to General kean's comments he like many
super Hawks in the United States
relished the idea of going up the
escalation ladder because they think
that we will dominate the Russians uh I
don't think you can tell a plausible
story about how we win going up the
escalation ladder and when you take into
account that that escalation ladder has
nuclear weapons on certain rungs you're
playing with fire and who's ever in the
White House is at some point going to
back off very quickly for fear that that
person is going to get us all
incinerated I I'm not arguing for one
second that there's no danger here uh
once you go up the escalation ladder uh
as I've said on many occasions we
fortunately have uh no experience with a
major conventional war between two great
Powers armed to the teeth with nuclear
weapons so we're not exactly sure what
the escalation Dynamics look like and if
one nuclear weapon was used you know how
that then leads to further nuclear
escalation and where it all ends up is
very hard to say in large part because
again we have thankfully never had a
nuclear war between two nuclear armed
great Powers so where we're out there in
Virgin Territory and nobody knows for
sure how this will play itself out but
that gives both sides very powerful
incentives uh to stay off the escalation
ladder and if they get on the escalation
ladder not to go up very quickly we are
basically involved in a war very
lowlevel war with the
houthis in the Red Sea uh and we're not
doing very well there and you also want
to remember that we fought against the
Iranians on April 14th when Iran
attacked Israel on April 14th in
retaliation for the Israeli attack on
the Iranian Embassy in Damascus on April
1st on that April
14th day we were involved in the fight
against Iran so it's very important to
understand we've been involved on two
occasions in fighting in the Middle East
and what we worry about is getting
sucked into a war with
Hezbollah and we also worry about
getting involved in a major war with the
Iranians uh the uh Minister of Defense
in Israel yav Galant uh has been in
Washington over the past few days and
he's been putting pressure on the
Americans to deal with the Iranian
nuclear issue and by and large that
means using American military force
maybe in conjunction with the Israeli
military force force uh to uh quote
unquote solve that problem uh so the the
pressure here for us uh to do something
militarily with Iran is going to grow
with the passage of time and there's a
danger will get sucked into this war
with Hezbollah and we're already in a
fight with the houthis so you then ask
the question which of course is the
appropriate one is what we can do uh to
avoid a war with Iran to avoid a war
with Hezbollah to shut down the war with
the houthis and to shut down the war
with Hamas we canot put any meaningful
pressure on the Israelis in large part
because of the power of the Israel Lobby
in the United States all of this is a
way of saying we're screwed you want to
understand this is very important that
when the fighting first broke out after
October 7th between uh the IDF and uh
Hamas that uh prime minister Netanyahu
said
unequivocally that they were going to
decisively defeat Hamas this was the end
of Hamas that has not happened Hamas is
uh still in the fight there's no
evidence it's going to disappear from
the fight and it's still a potent
military force and there's no way the
Israelis are going to defeat
Hamas what this tells you is that the
problem problem in Gaza that led to what
happened on October 7th has not gone
away and the israelies are going to
continue to use military force they're
going to continue to mow the grass as a
way of dealing with this problem this
means that not only the Israelis but we
the United States have no way of getting
out of this they have not won the war
against
tamas uh the Israeli military is exhaust
Ed they're having significant problems
with regard to calling up reservist for
a second and third term time uh there
are all sorts of articles in places like
the Jerusalem Post that talk about uh
problems the commanders are having
getting reservists to appear for their
second and third tour in Gaza this is an
army that has been
stretched uh thin in uh uh in Gaza and
is in a lot of ways at the end of its
rope and again they haven't won in Gaza
so now you're telling me that they're
going to take this Army and they're
going to invade Southern
Lebanon and they're going to defeat
Hezbollah and put an end to the problems
up in the North of Israel this is
extremely unlikely the Israelis went
into Lebanon in 1982 and they went into
Lebanon in 2006 and both were colossal
failures uh there's no plan that I see
that tells me that the IDF has the
capability to defeat and erase asbah as
a problem Hezbollah is a much more
formidable fighting force than Hamas and
again they have not defeated Hamas and
they have exhausted the IDF in the
process they're now going to go into
Southern Lebanon and went there I don't
think that that's a plausible argument
doing all they can to
discourage uh uh the IDF from going into
Lebanon we do not want Israel to attack
uh hisbah one of our great fears is that
Iran will come in and we'll be in a
major war with Iran but even putting
that aside we do not want another War uh
the Gaza war is enough we do not want a
war involving Israel and Hezbollah that
we might get dragged into but what we
have said uh and I think this was
foolish uh but it was done for domestic
politics reasons we have said to um
people in the region that if Israel does
get involved in a war with Hezbollah we
will back them and of course we will
back them because we back Israel no
matter what it does that's the way this
relationship Works Israel is the tail
that Wags The Dog there's no question
about that so when we said that right we
were telling the truth but the problem
is we're in effect alerting the Israelis
that even if they start a war and it
doesn't look like a smart thing to do
we'll support them full scale no matter
what which of course we will and Biden
has to do that and whoever was sitting
in the White House would have to do that
because the Israel Lobby would leave
that president in this case President
Biden no choice but the end result is
the Israelis are free uh to do reckless
things like
invade um uh Lebanon and given
netanyahu's track record at doing
foolish things this is very worrisome
the sense of
entitlement on netanyahu's part is
really quite stunning uh just listening
to him talk uh it's it's really quite
amazing that he just feels that Israel
is entitled to this Weaponry period and
the United States has no choice but to
give him that Weaponry no sense that you
know he's dealing with a superpower here
uh that he's beholden to the United
States in any way just a really profound
sense of entitlement uh and as an
American it bothers me enormously but
with regard to your comment I think the
fact is that Netanyahu understands full
well that he can do pretty much anything
he wants and he will get all the aid he
wants from the United States uh he
understands full well uh that the lobby
is incredibly powerful in the United
States no American
politician uh is going to cross Israel
in a meaningful way no American
politician is going to stand up for the
American national interest if that
President thinks the American national
interest is at odds with Israel's
National interest the American president
will do what Netanyahu wants Netanyahu
fully understands that and that's why he
treats us with contempt because he
understands that when it comes to Israel
American politicians or American leaders
have zero backbone and everything we've
seen since October 7th including Tony
blinken's performance a minute ago uh on
your show uh makes it clear that
Netanyahu is right he should treat the
Americans with contempt because they are
deserving of that contempt if the
Israelis go into
Lebanon that war is likely to spill over
into Syria as it has in the the past
because Syria and uh Lebanon are
neighbors uh and you want to remember
the Russians are in Syria in a big way
and it could be the case that the
Russians get involved with the Israelis
in Syria I'm not saying that's likely
but it is a possible outcome of a war
between Israel and Hezbollah
furthermore if Iran gets involved in a
war involving Hezbollah and Israel that
would be a huge problem for the United
States because we undoubtedly get sucked
in at that point uh and then the
question is what would the Russians do
and in fact in
1973 uh I remember when American nuclear
forces were put on alert uh during the
uh y kapor war and people were fearing
us Soviet conflict so what you're seeing
here is that the two scenarios that we
worry about the Ukraine scenario and the
Gaza scenario look like they're more and
more uh interconnected the Russians can
look the other way if the Iranians
decide to go down the nuclear Road in
the past we have depended heavily on
both the Russians and the Chinese and of
course the major European powers to help
us Corral the Iranians when it comes to
developing nuclear weapons I think in
the case of um the Middle East the case
of the Gaza War we're desperate to shut
down the Gaza war and we're desperate
not to let it escalate to include a war
against Hezbollah or War involving Iran
but we have zero maneuver room in large
part because of the Israel Lobby here in
the United States whatever president uh
crosses the lobby will pay an enormous
price uh as many politicians are finding
out these days uh in the United States
no president's going to cross Lobby uh
and if you look at uh president Trump uh
uh he he cow toow to the lobby every bit
as much as President Biden does and as
their predecessors did and that will be
true you know uh moving forward just to
go over to the Ukraine war it's actually
a different situation there there we're
actually upping the anti on our own
we're behaving in remarkably foolish
ways uh in Ukraine I think again to go
back to the Middle East East there we
have our hands tied behind our back I
think we have a good sense of what needs
to be done in the Middle East we just
can't do it I think all the evidence is
that Trump uh has the right instincts on
Ukraine that he understands it's time to
cut a deal and that would be best for
Ukraine and best for the United States
but his Forte is not the execution of
foreign policy as we know well and it's
not clear that he will bring in people
uh who can uh execute that basic
strategy that he has in mind furthermore
even if he brings in really smart people
uh and they go to work in smart ways the
fact is there will be tremendous
resistance
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