Origins: Adam & Eve Genetics

Summary

In this episode of 'Origins', host Ray Heiple discusses the validity of Adam and Eve's existence through the lens of genetics with Dr. Georgia Purdham. They challenge the notion that genetics disproves a first human couple specially created by God. The conversation delves into the differences between human and chimp DNA, mitochondrial DNA analysis, and the implications for Christianity. The program asserts that observational science supports the biblical account of a recent creation of Adam and Eve, contrary to the evolutionary timeline, emphasizing the importance of the biblical narrative for the Christian faith and the Gospel message.

Takeaways

• 😔 The debate over the historical reality of Adam and Eve is ongoing, with some Christian theologians and scientists suggesting that genetics disproves their existence as a specially created couple by God.
• 🔬 Dr. Georgia Purdham, a molecular geneticist, argues that observational science, including DNA comparisons, supports the biblical account of Adam and Eve, contrary to the belief that genetics has disproven their existence.
• 📚 The script discusses the importance of interpretation in understanding the Bible and the role of worldview in interpreting evidence, with the implication that a belief in millions of years of evolution leads some to discard the historicity of Adam and Eve.
• 🧬 The script challenges the idea that humans and chimps share a common ancestor, pointing out that selective counting of DNA differences by evolutionists does not account for the full extent of genetic differences between the two species.
• 🧬📊 Dr. Purdham emphasizes that when all types of genetic differences are considered, the similarity between human and chimp DNA is significantly less than commonly claimed, suggesting a figure closer to 85% similarity rather than 98-99%.
• 👥 The concept of 'Mitochondrial Eve' is presented as being inconsistent with the biblical account of a single Eve created by God, with the script suggesting that mitochondrial DNA evidence supports a recent origin for humanity, aligning with a 6,000-year timescale.
• 🧬👵 The script discusses the mutation rate of mitochondrial DNA and how the observed number of differences in the human population supports a young 'Mitochondrial Eve', contradicting the evolutionary timeline of hundreds of thousands of years.
• 🤔 The script highlights the inconsistency in the dating of 'Mitochondrial Eve' by evolutionists, pointing out the fluctuation in estimates and the methodological issues arising from assuming human-chimp common ancestry.
• 🙏 The importance of Adam and Eve's historicity for Christian theology is underscored, with the argument that without a historical fall, the need for salvation and a savior is undermined.
• 🌳 The script contrasts the biblical 'very good' creation with the evolutionary narrative of death, disease, and suffering being a natural part of life, suggesting that the latter is inconsistent with a benevolent Creator.
• 📖 The script concludes by emphasizing the importance of the Bible as a foundation for truth and the implications of accepting or rejecting its account of creation and the historical Adam and Eve.

Q & A

What is the main debate discussed in the video script regarding Adam and Eve?

The main debate discussed in the video script is whether Adam and Eve were real people or if they were a symbolic representation, and whether genetics has disproven their existence as a specially created couple by God.

What does Dr. Georgia Purdham's educational background include?

Dr. Georgia Purdham has a PhD in molecular genetics from the Ohio State University, has won various honors, and has been a professor of biology.

What are the implications of the belief in millions of years and evolution for the concept of Adam and Eve according to the script?

The belief in millions of years and evolution leads some Christians to discard the idea of Adam and Eve as real people because it doesn't fit within an evolutionary framework, suggesting that humans evolved from ape-like creatures.

What does the script suggest about the views of some Christians who are scientists and believe in evolution?

The script suggests that some Christian scientists who believe in evolution view the biblical accounts of Adam and Eve being created from dust and a rib as non-literal, stating that such processes are not possible for creating human beings.

How does the script address the genetic similarities between humans and chimpanzees?

The script discusses that while there are similarities, the claims of extremely high levels of similarity (98-99%) are misleading because they only consider certain types of genetic differences and ignore others that do not fit the evolutionary narrative.

What is the significance of mitochondrial DNA in the discussion of human ancestry?

Mitochondrial DNA is significant because it is inherited only from the mother and can be used to trace maternal lineages. The script suggests that the analysis of mitochondrial DNA supports the biblical account of a single female ancestor, rather than the evolutionary idea of multiple ancestors.

What does the script argue about the consistency of the genetic evidence with the biblical account of creation?

The script argues that the genetic evidence, particularly the analysis of mitochondrial DNA, is consistent with the biblical account of a single couple, Adam and Eve, being created around 6,000 years ago, rather than the evolutionary timeline of hundreds of thousands of years.

What is the 'mitochondrial Eve' according to the script?

The 'mitochondrial Eve' is described as a woman from whom all living humans are believed to have inherited their mitochondrial DNA, according to evolutionary theory. However, the script argues that this concept is inconsistent with the biblical account and the actual genetic evidence.

Why is the existence of Adam and Eve important to Christianity according to the video script?

The existence of Adam and Eve is important to Christianity because it establishes the concept of original sin and the need for a savior, Jesus Christ. Without a historical Adam and Eve, the script suggests that the foundational beliefs of Christianity are undermined.

What does the script suggest about the worldview of those who reject the biblical account of Adam and Eve?

The script suggests that those who reject the biblical account of Adam and Eve are influenced by a worldview that prioritizes man's interpretation of the past over God's word, leading to an acceptance of evolutionary theories that do not align with the Bible.

Outlines

00:00

🧬 The Debate on Adam and Eve's Genetic Reality

The script opens with a discussion on the historicity of Adam and Eve, addressing the debate between Christian theologians and scientists on whether genetics disproves their existence as a specially created couple by God. The show 'Origins' introduces Dr. Georgia Purdham, a molecular geneticist, who challenges the idea that genetic evidence supports human evolution from ape-like ancestors. The conversation emphasizes the importance of interpretation through the lens of one's worldview, suggesting that many Christians are influenced by the concept of deep time and evolution, leading them to question the biblical account of creation.

05:01

🔬 DNA Comparison: Humans, Chimps, and the Search for Common Ancestry

This paragraph delves into the genetic comparison between humans and chimpanzees, questioning the claim that they share a common ancestor. It critiques the selective use of genetic data by evolutionists, highlighting that not all DNA differences are accounted for in the comparison. The script points out that when all types of genetic differences are considered, the similarity between human and chimp DNA is significantly less than the often-cited 98-99%, suggesting a figure closer to 85%. The summary underscores the argument that the genetic evidence does not support the idea of a common ancestor and that the evolutionary interpretation of the data is biased.

10:02

👥 Mitochondrial Eve and the Biblical Account of Human Origins

The script discusses the concept of 'Mitochondrial Eve,' contrasting it with the biblical Eve. It explains that mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is inherited solely from the mother and is used to trace maternal lineages. The paragraph challenges the evolutionary timeline that places 'Mitochondrial Eve' at around 100,000 to 300,000 years ago, arguing that the Bible's timeline, which places Eve at approximately 6,000 years ago, is more consistent with the evidence. It also addresses the inconsistencies in the dating of 'Mitochondrial Eve' and the implications of the findings for the belief in a single, recent human origin.

15:02

📊 Mitochondrial DNA Analysis and its Alignment with Biblical Chronology

This section presents an analysis of mitochondrial DNA to support the biblical timeline of human history. It discusses the mutation rate of mtDNA and how the observed number of differences in human mtDNA aligns with a young 'Mitochondrial Eve,' consistent with the biblical account of a recent creation of humanity. The script refutes the high ages proposed by evolutionists by pointing out that their calculations are based on incorrect assumptions about human-chimp ancestry. The evidence from mtDNA databases is said to confirm the biblical dates, suggesting that 'Mitochondrial Eve' lived only a few thousand years ago.

20:02

🛑 The Theological and Philosophical Implications of the Adam and Eve Debate

The script concludes with a discussion on the theological implications of the existence of Adam and Eve. It emphasizes that if Adam and Eve were not real people, then the concept of original sin and the need for salvation through Jesus Christ is undermined. The paragraph highlights the quote from atheist Frank Zindler, who acknowledges that the acceptance of evolution undermines the central tenets of Christianity. The script argues that the belief in evolution leads to a worldview that is inconsistent with the biblical account of a perfect creation and that the evidence, when properly interpreted, supports the biblical narrative.

25:03

📚 The Importance of Biblical Truth in Understanding Human Origins

In the final paragraph, the script reinforces the importance of accepting the biblical account of human origins as foundational to Christian belief. It argues that the evidence from genetics supports the biblical narrative and that a selective reading of Scripture or scientific data undermines the Christian faith. The script calls for a return to the authority of the Bible and a recognition that the truth of the Gospel message is supported by the evidence of creation, as seen through the lens of a biblical worldview.

Keywords

💡Adam and Eve

Adam and Eve are biblical figures who, according to the script, are believed to be the first man and woman created by God. The video discusses the debate over their existence, with some arguing that genetics disproves their existence while others, like the speaker, believe in their historical reality. The script uses the topic of Adam and Eve to explore the compatibility of creationism with scientific evidence.

💡Genetics

Genetics is the study of genes, heredity, and variation in living organisms. In the context of the video, genetics is used to argue both for and against the existence of Adam and Eve. The script discusses how some scientists use genetic evidence to claim that humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor, while others, like Dr. Georgia Purdham, argue that genetic evidence supports the biblical account of a single human couple.

💡Mitochondrial DNA

Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is genetic material found in mitochondria, the energy-producing structures within cells. The script discusses mtDNA to trace maternal lineages and to argue for a recent human origin, as opposed to the evolutionary timeline that suggests a much older 'Mitochondrial Eve'. The video uses mtDNA evidence to support the biblical timeline of human history.

💡Creationism

Creationism is the religious belief that the universe and life originated from specific acts of divine creation as described in religious texts. The video's theme revolves around creationism, specifically the belief in a literal interpretation of the biblical account of Adam and Eve. The script presents scientific arguments that are intended to validate creationist viewpoints.

💡Evolution

Evolution is the process by which different kinds of living organisms have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth. The script contrasts the creationist view with the evolutionary perspective, which suggests that humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor. The video critiques the evolutionary narrative and argues that it is inconsistent with the biblical account.

💡Original Sin

Original sin is a Christian doctrine that suggests humans inherit a tainted nature and a proclivity to sin through the fact of birth. The video emphasizes the importance of Adam and Eve's existence to the concept of original sin, arguing that without a historical Adam and Eve, the need for salvation and the role of Jesus Christ become unfounded.

💡Scientific Evidence

Scientific evidence refers to empirical data or observations used to support or refute a hypothesis or theory. The script discusses how some interpret scientific evidence, particularly in genetics, as disproving the existence of Adam and Eve, while others, like the speaker, believe it supports a creationist viewpoint.

💡Chimpanzees

Chimpanzees are a species of great ape, often used in discussions of human evolution as a comparison to humans due to their genetic similarities. The video script mentions chimpanzees to highlight the debate over genetic similarities and differences between humans and chimps, which is central to the argument about common ancestry versus separate creation.

💡Mitochondrial Eve

Mitochondrial Eve is the name given to the female ancestor from whom all living humans are descended, according to mitochondrial DNA lineage. The script contrasts the concept of 'Mitochondrial Eve' with the biblical Eve, arguing that the evidence points to a much more recent origin of humanity than evolutionary timelines suggest.

💡DNA Comparison

DNA comparison is the process of analyzing DNA sequences to identify similarities and differences between organisms. The video uses DNA comparison as a method to argue against the evolutionary narrative and for the biblical account of a single human couple, suggesting that the genetic differences between humans and chimpanzees are too great to be explained by common ancestry.

💡Biblical Perspective

Biblical perspective refers to the interpretation of events and history through the lens of the Bible. The video's theme is grounded in a biblical perspective, which asserts that the Bible provides an accurate account of the creation of Adam and Eve and the origins of humanity. The script argues that scientific evidence, when properly interpreted, supports this perspective.

Highlights

Debate on the reality of Adam and Eve's existence is influenced by genetics and creation beliefs.

Dr. Georgia Purdham, with a PhD in molecular genetics, discusses the genetics of Adam and Eve.

The program 'Origins' aims to validate creation and biblical accuracy with scientific evidence.

Evangelical Christians question the literal existence of Adam and Eve due to evolutionary beliefs.

Some Christians reconcile evolution with creation by suggesting Adam and Eve were created from dust and a rib.

Dr. Purdham argues that selective data presentation in genetic studies supports evolutionary narratives.

Comparing human and chimp DNA reveals significant differences, contrary to common ancestry claims.

Non-aligned DNA and other genetic differences are often overlooked in evolutionary studies.

Dr. Jeffrey Tompkins' research shows a higher genetic difference between humans and chimps than commonly reported.

Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is used to trace maternal lineages and challenge evolutionary timelines.

MtDNA evidence supports a young 'Mitochondrial Eve', aligning with biblical timelines.

The concept of 'Mitochondrial Eve' is inconsistent with the idea of multiple women contributing to the gene pool.

Dr. Nathaniel Jennison's research on mtDNA mutation rates supports a recent human origin.

The existence of Adam and Eve is fundamental to understanding the need for salvation in Christianity.

Atheist Frank Zindler acknowledges the impact of biological evolution on the foundation of Christianity.

The program concludes that genetic evidence supports the biblical account of Adam and Eve's recent creation.

Transcripts

a big debate today is whether Adam and

Eve were real people sadly many

Christian theologians and scientists

believe that genetics has disproven the

existence of an original couple

specially created by God however looking

at the many differences between human

and chimp DNA and by comparing the

mitochondrial DNA of people worldwide

observational science shows just the

opposite coming up on today's edition of

origins Adam and Eve genetics with dr.

Georgia Purdham

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hello and welcome to origins I'm ray

Heiple it's an honor to be your host

today during this program we showcase

interesting guests who present evidence

from science along with other important

facts validating the truth of creation

and the accuracy of the Bible

today's guest dr. Georgia Purdham

received a PhD in molecular genetics

from the Ohio State University she has

won a variety of honors and been a

professor of biology dr. Purdum has also

published research papers in both

secular and creation peer-reviewed

technical journals she now serves as

ministry content administrator speaker

author and researcher for Answers in

Genesis in Kentucky welcome dr. Purdham

thank you to be here it's good to have

you on the show today we're going to be

talking about Adam and Eve genetics can

you tell us what we're going to be

looking at well you know when people see

that title they probably think well how

do we know anything about the DNA of

Adam and Eve and we're gonna be talking

about it kind of in a different sense

because one of the biggest debates an

evangelical Christian today is whether

or not Adam and Eve are real people and

so that's why it's important to talk

about their genetics so to speak and I

mean this is just a few headlines that

I've grabbed on this issue over the last

several years um things like

evangelicals question the existence of

Adam and Eve did they really exist are

they just an allegory are they a

symbolic representation you know over

and over again and and these come from

both Christian sources as well as

secular sources so really it's a big

question I'm Christian today had this as

the cover of their magazine a few years

ago this search for the historical Adam

the state of the debate wow it is very

much debate yeah it's kind of sad when

you think about the Bible seems to be

pretty clear but I understand matters of

interpretation but still it seems like

the lot depends upon whether or not

there really was an Adam and Eve right

and it really comes down to and when you

said interpretation it comes down to a

lot of people a lot of Christians

unfortunately are buying into the idea

of

millions of years and so they would say

well if we evolved from some sort of

ape-like creature then where's Adam and

Eve in that you know and so it doesn't

fit an evolutionary knew and so they've

had to discard it as a as a result so to

speak of that so I want to share with

you just what a couple of Christians who

are both scientists but they're

Christians but they do believe in

evolution in millions of years and what

they have to say about Adam and Eve and

they said this I think it's very telling

they said Adam was created from dust in

God's breath Eve was created from Adam's

rib none of these explanations can

possibly be actual descriptions human

beings are mainly water not dust and

there is no process by which an adult

person can made quickly from a rib now I

have to kind of yeah that's kind of

laughable it is laughable right because

they're talking about we're talking

about one time supernatural and then in

which guys especially created Adam and

Eve okay and so and so it's not a

natural explanation you know and that's

what people need to understand I agree

it's not a natural one but we're not

talking about natural one well and even

ultimately they say everything came from

the space dust anyway so you know their

criticism here could apply to what they

say right and the thing is as far as

they know these two individuals doctor

Giberson and dr. Colin sue dr. Collins

is a head of the National Institutes of

Health so these are very you know he's

very highly respectable scientist as far

as they know they don't question the

virgin birth or the resurrection of

Jesus Christ but science crooler shows

virgins don't give birth and don't come

back to life so it's a real

inconsistency in their belief system

they go on to say in their book

literalist readings of Genesis imply

that God specially created Adam and Eve

and that all humans are descended from

these original parents such readings

unfortunately do not fit the evidence

right for several reason okay that's a

big claim let's see if they can back

down so they're saying you know well

this is what the Bible seems to say but

we can't believe it because the evidence

and you know when we talk about the

evidence it really comes down to

especially as it relates to the past

obviously Adam and Eve were created in

the past this is not a current thing and

it really depends on our interpretation

of that evidence in light of our

worldview

what are the glasses so to speak that we

used to look at the world and look at

the evidence are we starting with man's

word and and that man knows the truth

about the past millions and billions of

years of evolution or are we starting

with God's word that he knows the truth

about the past that he was an eyewitness

to creation and he has inspired man to

write that down so we're gonna kind of

look at this in two ways we're gonna

look at the genetic evidence and say is

it consistent with what God's Word said

and then we're gonna look at why does it

matter I mean why do we care so much the

Adam and Eve are real people why is that

important to Christianity I know some

Christians who probably would question

that but I think you know the

ramifications and the repercussions of

that could be huge and that's what we

need to talk about so the first thing

that we're gonna do in this is we're

really going to address the question did

humans and chimps share a common

ancestor so basically answering the

question of who right who did we all

descend from and so the first thing we

do as Christians is we always go to

God's Word wait what does God's Word say

and it says that God created animals

according to their kind okay and so we

see that over and over again talking

about the birds and the beasts and the

cattle and everything according to its

kind

obviously birds and or swimming and

flying creatures one day five all the

land animals on day six and so after

he's done creating all of that then he

creates man my man is clearly a separate

creation from the animals and he's

different because he's made in God's

image

we are we're not an animal and so we we

are truly created separate different

individuals from the animals so that's

an important distinction so clearly from

a biblical perspective we did not evolve

from some sort of common ancestor with

the Apes so the question really comes

down to the DNA and one of the things

that's really interesting is we have

sequence DNA for both humans and chimps

okay so we have that information we can

compare them and so what do we find out

when we compare the DNA and dr. Jeffrey

Tompkins who's a geneticist at the

Institute for Creation Creation Research

has done a lot of study on

he's not only looked at what are the

evolutionists have done and what how are

they doing this but he's done a lot of

his own original research and one of the

things he found when he looked at what

the evolutionist is done is that they

have a lot of preferential and selective

treatment on the data data is data

depending on how you what you present

and how you present it you can make a

say what you want it and what you don't

talk about right what you leave out

exactly exactly and so one of the things

is they a lot of times when they do

these comparisons of the DNA they just

use sequences they expect to be similar

okay so for example they just use the

genes the genes are what gives rise to

the proteins now I would expect the

genes to be pretty similar because from

it from a biological perspective chimps

or mammals soar we okay so our DNA

should actually be on that level should

be pretty similar our bodies have to do

similar things so it's not a good place

to look for the differences okay if

we're trying to evaluate what's

different cuz obviously we're very

different from a chimp so what makes us

different and even when they do count

all of the DNA let's say they look at

everything all the bases there are

certain differences they don't count so

they don't count what's called

non-aligned DNA gaps copy number

variations and size differences now you

don't need to know what all of these

things are that's gonna take more

diamond we have all those things are

legitimate differences between human and

chimp DNA but they're not counted okay

and so they are part of the genetic code

or whatever the question here that

they're sequence differences but they

don't count them why because they don't

fit their evolutionary story there's way

if you count all these differences

there's way too many differences to

account for in their evolutionary time

frames and they don't want different

yeah and they're not going to change

what they think about the past so they

have to make it fit so how do they make

it fit well they only count one type of

difference and that's how they make it

fit and that's what we need to

understand is that when you see you know

you probably heard chimp and human DNA

is 98 99 so that's a one to two percent

difference mm-hmm

well you need to realize they're only

looking at one type

this is it they don't tell you that

isn't that fun whenever we write DNA we

write it with four letters representing

the four bases a C T and G and we're

gonna say this top line is human and the

bottom line is chimp here okay so when

you compare the DNA there will be areas

that line up pretty good that are pretty

much you know they're pretty similar now

there's still some differences you can

see that but they're they're very

similar so the only difference the

evolutionists count is differences in

DNA which are called substitutions in

aligned regions

that's all they count so for example

here you have a T right in a human give

a G in the chump you have an A in the

human you have a G in the jump that's

the only difference as they count now

you can see just by looking at this

there's other difference oh yes right

here we have chimp T or human DNA but no

matching Jim there would be a gap that's

called a gap or an endo here's another

one okay so you have chimp but no human

to match it then there's millions of

bases outside of this which is

represented by this

they don't even line up at all they're

not alone so those are legitimate

differences but they're not counted in

to their evolutionary in because it

doesn't fit their evolutionary story

they've even went so far sometimes is to

say oh it's in part of the DNA that

doesn't matter this is all junk DNA out

here so it doesn't matter and so that's

a problem because as we were as we know

through more studies junk DNA really

isn't junk it's really important is

important there's none event that isn't

important so you can't just say oh it's

in part of the DNA that doesn't matter

hmm so so these are legitimate

differences and to say anything other

than that is just downright deceptive

well it looks like I mean if that

representative sequence that you have

there is you know telling for the whole

organism it looks like it would be a lot

higher than 1 to 2% it would be and so

dr. Tompkins has done some more studies

to really look at this what are the

legitimate differences what if you count

them all right then you're looking at an

85 percent similarity overall well

that's a lot less than 99 or not right

that's a 15 percent difference now some

people might think well that's don't on

a lot that's 15 percent of 3 billion

remember

we have three billion base pairs in our

DNA that means that equates to four

hundred and fifty million differences

between humans and chimps that's a lot

that's a lot of difference you can't

account for that in evolutionary time

and it only affects some of the

differences and I don't have time to get

into this but there's what we call non

sequence differences there's layers and

layers of information in DNA and and so

when you start to look at some of these

other differences like structure and

things like that there's even more

difference so this is a highly

conservative number now and this is just

my thought all right at the top would we

see similar pretty high similarities you

know in other mammals like a human and a

rhinoceros or and we haven't really done

that per se because the they want to

look at the closest evolutionary

ancestor so they look at chimps

according to their right according to

their their scheme about the past so

that hasn't been done right but even if

you look at things like I know they've

done it more for like dogs and cats and

things like that you're still talking

pretty high similarity like around this

number we would think that right because

we're ma'am yeah absolutely so there's

no plausible way to account for this in

an evolutionary timing it just doesn't

it simply doesn't work

so in summary humans and chimps do have

DNA similarity no one doubts that but

claims of extremely high levels of

similarity they're just it's just

patently false

there's no way so methods typically are

highly prejudiced to favor that

similarity like they only look at the

genes or they don't count all the

differences so they're just doing it to

try to make it tell the story they

wanted to tell therefore human genetic

comparison human chimp genetic

comparisons do not support common

ancestry there's just no way to get from

point A and that's what they believe

they believe there's a common ancestor

right for humans and chimps and so we

have to have this incredible amount of

similarity to get back there alright now

let's talk about another facet of how we

compare human and chimp DNA and that's

looking at did mitochondrial Eve lived

more than a hundred thousand years ago

okay who is this mitochondrial Eve right

we understand that one

now this is not the eve of the Bible

okay so this is the evolutionary Eve I

guess you could call her she is one

woman of at least 10,000 people that

were alive about a hundred and two

hundred thousand years ago and we're

gonna talk specifically in a little bit

what her mitochondrial DNA is okay it's

a little bit different than what we just

talked about okay so I'll get to that

this is not the biblical Eve right she

was one woman only one woman 6000 years

ago okay so this is one of many women a

hundred thousand years ago okay very

different all right so now again we know

from Scripture that's where we always

start god created one woman that was it

there was not ten thousand people alive

there was only one and we also know

there was one woman that as far as how

long ago this was we know the age of the

earth and universe from Scripture we can

calculate that we know there's about two

thousand years between Adam and Abraham

two thousand years between Abraham and

Jesus and two thousand years between

Jesus and today which gives us a grand

total of six thousand years so they

don't have there's no hundreds of

thousands of years okay it's just not in

Scripture at all

so one woman we know six thousand years

ago so again if the if the Bible is true

then science should confirm that and

support that and we'll see that indeed

does so let me talk about what

mitochondrial DNA is all right this is a

cross-section of a cell and what we

talked about before we were talking when

we compared human and chimp DNA where

time had the DNA in the nucleus of the

cell that's where you get the 3 billion

base pairs but we also have DNA in

another part of our cell and that's the

mitochondria okay mitochondria are kind

of bean shaped and they produce energy

okay that we need they're the

powerhouses of this out there energy

factories and they have their own little

piece of DNA okay it's small it's only

about 16,000 basis and it's circular

yeah so it's not like your typical you

know we usually think of that as a

chromosome that's linear this isn't a

circle actually so it's very very

different now what's interesting is you

only and

from your mother you do not inherit it

from your father like you do with the

nuclear DNA so it's different so I just

show this diagram this is going to

represent the mitochondrial DNA okay

so if this couple has a daughter she'll

pass that to her it's in the egg the

sperm does not contribute any

mitochondrial DNA okay so it's only

coming from mom so you can use this DNA

to actually trace maternal lineages okay

so just like you could use Y chromosome

because that's only in guys for paternal

lineages okay so that's just the

difference now not everyone has the same

mitochondrial DNA

we're not clones okay it's not identical

but it's very very very similar there's

only a few differences and so what the

evolutionists believe even they believe

that there's only one line today in

people there's only one basic

mitochondrial DNA that everybody has and

it's very very similar from an

evolutionary perspective this is kind of

hard to understand because if a hundred

thousand years ago there was ten

thousand people let's say half of them

are women okay so let's say there's five

thousand that are women that would be

five potentially five thousand different

lines okay of mitochondrial DNA and

we're only down to one today I mean how

you go from five thousand to one huh I

mean that the odds on that are pretty

pretty remote but if you start with the

biblical account

there was only one one that makes sense

so there's generally every one today

right it's hard to it's really hard to

explain this from an evolutionary

perspective anyone that tries well they

might say that maybe a lot of the women

didn't reproduce or they had they had

sons you know they can come up with all

kinds of explanations but they're just

rescuing at my rescue and make this

world worse fit the data again right

when it's when it's really hard and so

we would expect this from a biblical

perspective there should only be one and

there shouldn't be that many differences

but even the evolutionists can't seem to

figure out how old she is okay even if

they do believe there's one and they

have a heart

time with that so in 2009 she was a

hundred and eight thousand years old in

2012 she was between 250 and 300

thousand years old and in 2013 she was

157 okay so which is it

I don't know they can't decide but each

of these ages they have assumed human

chimp ancestry to do the calculation so

that at some point they've compared

human DNA human mitochondrial DNA to

chimp mitochondrial DNA now what's the

problem with that we're not related

right so there are gonna be a lot of

differences so if you put that in here

to get more differences you have to have

more time right so it elevates it

exaggerate these numbers they're not

what they're supposed to be because

they're doing an incorrect comparison so

once again their results are colored by

the fact that their starting point is

wrong right right now what's interesting

is in 1997 some evolutionists produced a

paper in which they said mitochondrial

Eve was 65 hundred years old Wow

and you're like whoa wait a minute

that's really close to the biblical

timeframe yes it is and when I looked at

the paper I'm like how did they get an

age in a correct age basically for yeah

well even though they believe humans and

chimps are related and have this shared

ancestry they did not take that into

account when they did their calculation

they just compared humans to humans and

what did they get the biblical timeframe

Wow that is fastened it is because

humans are all related that's why

they're getting the correct number and

dr. Nathaniel Jennison who's at Answers

in Genesis he's his geneticist there

he's been doing some of his own studies

on this he said you know we know the

mutation rate of mitochondrial DNA we

know how fast it mutates so she's what

the evolutionists say 157 thousand years

old we should see about a thousand

differences in the human population if

she's only six thousand years old not

much time we should only see about 20 to

79 differences in the human population

so we can look there's mitochondrial DNA

databases it can look at all this what

did he find

77 differences in humans what is that

confirm right she's young right that

mitochondrial DNA is

young mitochondrial Eve has to be young

if she was really this old if she was

really 157 thousand years old we should

see it should be somewhere up here right

and it's not there's so few of

differences so she has to be really

young so the evidence again supports

what the Bible says so

in summary here the male and female

ancestor of us all we know the biblical

Adam Eve the true biblical Adam Eve live

very recently we know that according to

the biblical chronology that it was only

6,000 years ago and we know that

mitochondrial DNA analysis confirms the

biblical dates very fascinating we're

going to come back to this in just a few

moments I want you to stay with us we're

looking at Adam and Eve were they real

come back with us

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welcome back to origins we're talking to

dr. Georgia Purdham who's been sharing

some fascinating things about Adam and

Eve have illusionists claimed that there

could have been no Adam and Eve from the

studies that they've done in DNA but you

presented evidence that shows the exact

opposite right and many times they're

not being totally truthful with the

information unfortunately selecting

certain parts to show so that it can fit

the evolutionary story that they want a

towel because you know if you think

about it Adam and Eve were created by

God they were perfect but they sinned

they sell and as a result of that and

because we all dissed them from them we

all have a sin nature which is why we

need Jesus Christ

I mean if Adam and Eve aren't real

people and there is no fall then why do

we need Jesus I mean that's what this

issue really really comes down to and

what's interesting to me is that the

people that understand this wall are the

atheist and so I want to share with just

a quote from one of them Frank Zindler

he said the most devastating thing

though that biology did to Christianity

was a discovery of biological evolution

now that we know that Adam and Eve never

were real people the central myth of

Christianity is destroyed if there never

was an Adam and Eve there never was an

original sin right this is important

there was never an original sin there's

no need a salvation if there is no need

of salvation there is no need of a

savior that's right on I completely

agree with that conclusion that's why I

say with the Atheist I don't normally

agree but I agree a hundred percent with

him there he's absolutely right and and

that's that's what the Bible says right

there for just just do one man sin

entered the world and death they said

and thus death spread to all men because

all sinned and again in first

Corinthians right for it's an Adam all

die even so in Christ all shall be made

alive but that link between the first

Adam and the last Adam Jesus Christ and

it and it really does matter because of

man's actions because man's sin that's

when death entered this world right

evolutionists believe it's been here oh

wow yeah that's part of life it's

natural right it was never perfect and

it's doing perfect according to them but

here's the problem for Christians though

to believe that right to believe in

death and

suffering and disease before Adam's sin

because if because what do you God say

after he created everything he said this

very good very good but if he used

evolution then that means death disease

and suffering aren't very good animals

preying on one another killing one

another fear and terror and brutality

totally inconsistent with the God of the

Bible it's really a heart issue it

really is a worldview issue and a heart

issue ultimately who do we believe is

the authority we're knowing about the

past is it God or is it man as we see in

the science supports God's Word is truth

and it's important for the Gospel

message itself you know it reminds me

where Jesus said that he came to bear

witness of the truth and everyone who is

of the truth hears his voice and at one

point he says to his opponents you do

not believe in me because I tell you the

truth and man has this this sin nature

that doesn't want to bow the knee to God

and and we see that in science and we

see that in you know unfortunately in

the church when when Christians don't

want to listen to what the Bible says or

when you know scientists don't want to

go where the evidence actually goes well

I really thank you for being with us on

this program it was very fascinating and

very important I hope you enjoyed the

program today it really is foundational

we have to know that the Bible is true

and if we just sort of pick and choose

what we think might be there we're gonna

be left without a foundation but

thankfully as we look at Scripture and

as we look at the world around us we see

that there really was an Adam and Eve

we've seen that from science today we've

seen that from DNA our genetics the most

smallest component of the cell shows us

that there had to have been an Adam and

Eve about the time the Bible says when

it was well it just goes to show us that

we know that what the Bible says is true

and the proof is all around you thanks

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