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Summary

The discussion focuses on the early years of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, starting with its formal organization in 1863. Dr. Kaiser highlights the church's initial efforts to spread their message, the health vision received by Ellen White, and the Civil War's impact. The health reform message, emphasizing lifestyle changes, led to the creation of the Western Health Institute. Dr. John Harvey Kellogg's leadership of the Battle Creek Sanitarium is explored, along with his eventual departure from the church over theological differences and tensions. The establishment of other health institutions follows White’s visions.

Takeaways

• 🗓️ The Seventh-day Adventist Church was officially organized in May 1863 amidst concerns about the American Civil War and the potential drafting of ministers.
• 🌟 Two weeks after the church's organization, Ellen White had a significant vision in June 1863, now known as the 'comprehensive health vision,' outlining principles of healthy living.
• 🍽️ The health vision emphasized lifestyle changes, such as avoiding tobacco, alcohol, and meat, as well as maintaining cleanliness and consuming healthier foods.
• 📉 Adventist leaders and members were experiencing poor health, with many dying young due to diseases like tuberculosis and pneumonia, motivating the need for the health message.
• 🏥 Ellen White's 1865 vision led to the establishment of the Western Health Reform Institute, which later became a key center for promoting health principles and medical missionary work.
• 💸 Financial support for the health institute came from wealthier Adventists, helping establish the foundation of the Adventist health movement.
• 🧑‍⚕️ John Harvey Kellogg, supported by the Whites, became a key figure in the Adventist health movement and transformed the institution into a sanitarium that promoted both healing and preventive health.
• 🌿 Kellogg embraced the health message but later developed pantheistic ideas, which deviated from Adventist theology, causing conflict with church leaders.
• 🚪 Kellogg's separation from the church was driven by his desire to keep the medical work independent from the ministry and his disagreements over theological matters.
• 🏗️ After losing the Battle Creek Sanitarium, the church established three new health centers, including Loma Linda, based on visions Ellen White had of key properties to purchase.

Q & A

What were the main priorities of the Seventh-day Adventist Church after its formal organization in 1863?

The primary focus was on spreading the message more broadly, establishing churches, and sending ministers to different areas. There was also concern about the American Civil War and the potential draft of ministers into the military.

How did the American Civil War impact the early Seventh-day Adventist Church?

The church was concerned about the potential draft of ministers into the military, so efforts were made to raise money to pay fees that would exempt ministers from serving in the military.

What significant event took place two weeks after the church's organization in 1863?

Ellen White had a vision on June 5, 1863, which became known as the comprehensive health vision. This vision introduced principles of healthful living, emphasizing how the church could live healthier lives and work more effectively.

Why was Ellen White's 1863 health vision significant in the context of the time?

The vision was important because many Adventists, including ministers, were not health-conscious, with poor diets and hygiene practices. The vision introduced health principles that were crucial for improving their well-being and spreading the message more effectively.

What were some of the lifestyle changes introduced by Ellen White's health vision?

The vision discouraged the use of tobacco, alcohol, and black tea, encouraged cleanliness, and recommended healthier diets, such as reducing meat consumption. Adventists at the time were heavy meat eaters, and many suffered from health problems.

How did the Adventist health message compare to other American health reform movements of the time?

While many of the principles promoted by Ellen White were similar to those of other health reformers, such as Dr. James C. Jackson, her message differed by focusing on principles that were truly beneficial, avoiding harmful practices common in other movements.

How did Ellen White's second health vision in 1865 influence the establishment of the Western Health Reform Institute?

In her 1865 vision, Ellen White was shown the need to establish a health reform institute. Despite earlier hesitation, this vision prompted the Adventists to act, leading to the creation of the Western Health Reform Institute in 1866 with the help of wealthy Adventists who provided funding.

Who was John Harvey Kellogg, and how did he become involved with the Adventist health work?

John Harvey Kellogg, the son of a businessman who supported the Adventist work, was identified by James and Ellen White as a bright, innovative young man. He was encouraged to pursue a medical degree, which the Whites helped fund. He later became the leader of the Western Health Reform Institute, which he renamed the Battle Creek Sanitarium.

What role did Battle Creek Sanitarium play in promoting health within and outside the Adventist Church?

Under Kellogg's leadership, the sanitarium treated sick patients and promoted healthy living practices. It also became a center for training nurses and doctors, many of whom went on to serve as medical missionaries around the world.

Why did tensions arise between John Harvey Kellogg and the Seventh-day Adventist Church, leading to his eventual separation?

Kellogg's views on separating the medical work from the church and his evolving theological beliefs, such as pantheism (the idea that God is present in everything), caused friction. His decision to rebuild Battle Creek Sanitarium after a fire and disagreements with church leaders further strained relations, eventually leading to his departure from the church.

Outlines

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⛪ The Priorities of Early Adventist Pioneers

After the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1863, the pioneers focused on spreading their message, establishing churches, and sending ministers to various areas. They were also concerned about the impact of the American Civil War, particularly regarding the possibility of a military draft. They raised funds to pay fees so ministers could avoid military service. Just two weeks after the church's organization, Ellen White had a vision emphasizing healthful living, which introduced a focus on lifestyle and health principles to aid in spreading their message more effectively.

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🩺 Early Adventists and the Health Message

Adventist church members, though health-conscious in some ways, such as avoiding tobacco and alcohol, were still heavy meat eaters and faced significant health challenges, including tuberculosis and pneumonia. Ellen White's health reform vision in 1863 introduced principles that were not entirely new but selected effective health practices from the broader health reform movement of the time. She emphasized the importance of choosing beneficial practices and discarding harmful ones, which helped promote a healthier lifestyle for the church and contributed to its mission.

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🏥 Founding the Western Health Reform Institute

After Ellen White's 1863 health reform vision, there was no immediate push to establish a health institute. However, when James White fell ill, Ellen White took him and other church leaders to a health institute led by Dr. James C. Jackson. While there were disagreements about certain treatments, such as salt consumption, Ellen White's 1865 vision led to the creation of the Western Health Reform Institute, funded by wealthier Adventists. Though it faced financial struggles in later years, the institute played a key role in advancing health principles aligned with the Adventist mission.

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🚉 John Harvey Kellogg's Beginnings in Adventism

John Harvey Kellogg, born in 1852, grew up in Battle Creek, Michigan, where a small group of Adventists resided. The Whites, impressed by his intelligence and potential, encouraged him to pursue a medical degree, which he completed with their financial support. By his early twenties, Kellogg took over leadership of the Health Reform Institute, renaming it the Battle Creek Sanitarium. He embraced Ellen White's health message, viewing health not only as treatment for the sick but also as a path to promoting optimal well-being.

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🩹 Kellogg’s Evolving Vision and Separation from the Church

Kellogg's understanding of Ellen White's health vision aligned with promoting both healing and preventive health. He expanded the Battle Creek Sanitarium into a multi-functional institution that treated the sick and promoted health, incorporating spa-like elements. However, by the 1890s, Kellogg's philosophy diverged from the church, as he sought to separate the medical work from the church's ministry. His belief in pantheism, the idea that God exists in all things, further distanced him from Adventist theology. This theological and organizational rift culminated in his eventual separation from the church.

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🌳 Relocating and Expanding Adventist Health Institutions

After the Battle Creek Sanitarium's fire in 1902, Ellen White recommended rebuilding elsewhere, but Kellogg insisted on staying in Battle Creek and expanding the facility, despite financial struggles. The church ultimately distanced itself from Kellogg's efforts, and the institution fell out of church control. However, Ellen White's earlier visions had called for the establishment of new institutions. As a result, several new sanitariums were built, including Loma Linda and Glendale, ensuring that Adventist health work continued to grow beyond the Battle Creek Sanitarium.

Keywords

💡Adventist Church

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is the primary religious organization being discussed in the video. The church officially organized in 1863, during the American Civil War. The early pioneers focused on spreading their religious message, establishing churches, and sending ministers to various regions. The church's response to the war and its internal developments, such as health reforms, are central to the video's narrative.

💡American Civil War

The American Civil War (1861-1865) posed significant challenges to the early Adventist Church, as it threatened their existence. The church was concerned about the potential drafting of ministers into the military, and they raised money to pay fees to avoid military service. The war context shaped the early church's priorities and concerns.

💡Health Reform

Health reform was a crucial element introduced to the Adventist Church in the mid-1860s, following a vision by Ellen White. It emphasized principles of healthy living, such as avoiding tobacco, alcohol, and excessive meat consumption. This reform helped the church realize the importance of lifestyle changes alongside doctrinal teachings, adding a new dimension to their mission.

💡Ellen White

Ellen White was a co-founder and prophet of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Her visions were pivotal in shaping the church's doctrines and practices. In 1863, she had a 'comprehensive health vision' that outlined principles of healthful living, which influenced the church's approach to health and wellness. She played a central role in promoting health reforms and establishing health institutions.

💡Health Reform Institute

The Health Reform Institute was an institution established by the Adventist Church in 1866, inspired by Ellen White's vision of health reform. It was founded to promote healthy living and provide treatment based on the health principles introduced by White. The institute later evolved into a significant center for health education and medical training within the church.

💡John Harvey Kellogg

John Harvey Kellogg was a prominent figure in the Adventist Church's health movement and the director of the Battle Creek Sanitarium. Initially supported by the church, Kellogg was an innovative medical doctor who promoted health principles aligned with Ellen White's visions. However, over time, his ideas diverged from the church, particularly with his views on pantheism and the separation of medical work from the church.

💡Pantheism

Pantheism is a belief that God is present in everything, both animate and inanimate. This belief became a point of contention between John Harvey Kellogg and the Adventist Church. Kellogg’s pantheistic views conflicted with the church’s theology, particularly concerning the nature of God’s presence and the role of divine intervention, which led to a separation between Kellogg and the church.

💡Battle Creek Sanitarium

The Battle Creek Sanitarium was a health institution managed by John Harvey Kellogg, which became a prominent center for health reform and wellness. It was not only a place for treating sick people but also a spa-like facility where wealthy individuals could learn about healthy living. The sanitarium played a significant role in the church's health work but became the subject of controversy due to Kellogg’s differing views.

💡Ellen White's Visions

Ellen White's visions were a driving force behind the development of the Adventist Church's doctrines and health reforms. Her 1863 vision on health reform emphasized lifestyle changes for better health and efficiency in spreading the church's message. Later, her visions guided the establishment of health institutions and helped the church make important decisions regarding their mission and expansion.

💡Sanitarium Movement

The Sanitarium Movement refers to the establishment of health institutions like the Battle Creek Sanitarium, which were part of the Adventist Church's broader mission to promote health reform. These sanitariums were not just hospitals but also centers for health education and preventive care, aimed at teaching people healthy living habits in accordance with the church's health principles.

Highlights

The Seventh-day Adventist Church formally organized in May 1863, with a focus on spreading its message, establishing churches, and sending ministers, amidst the backdrop of the American Civil War.

Concerns over a military draft during the Civil War led the church to raise funds to prevent ministers from being drafted into service.

On June 5, 1863, Ellen White received a vision outlining principles of healthful living, which shifted the church’s focus from purely doctrinal teachings to also promoting lifestyle changes for optimal health.

The health vision included avoiding harmful substances like tobacco and alcohol, as well as promoting cleanliness and discouraging heavy meat consumption.

Health challenges in the mid-1800s were significant for Adventist leaders, with many suffering from illnesses like tuberculosis and pneumonia.

Ellen White’s vision in 1863 also introduced the concept of health reform to improve both individual health and the efficiency of church workers.

Though not unique at the time, Ellen White's health principles were notable for their accuracy in promoting practices that are now recognized as healthy.

In 1866, following Ellen White’s 1865 vision, the church established the Western Health Reform Institute, marking a significant step in integrating health reform into church activities.

The institute’s funding was supported by wealthier Adventist members, reflecting the collaborative effort within the church.

John Harvey Kellogg, a young man mentored by Ellen and James White, was instrumental in expanding the church’s health work, later leading the Battle Creek Sanitarium.

Kellogg renamed the institution a 'sanitarium' to emphasize both treatment of the sick and the promotion of optimal health through preventive care.

Eventually, theological differences and organizational tensions led to Kellogg’s separation from the Adventist Church, especially due to his promotion of pantheistic ideas.

Kellogg’s departure and the burning of the Battle Creek Sanitarium in 1902 marked a turning point, leading to the creation of new Adventist health institutions in other locations.

Ellen White had visions of multiple health institutions, which guided the establishment of facilities like Loma Linda Sanitarium and Glendale Sanitarium.

John Burden played a key role in acquiring properties for new health institutions, which were funded through private donations and loans, eventually being transferred to the church.

Transcripts

yeah all right thanks for having us um

Dr Kaiser um after the organization of

the church what were the priorities of

the

Pioneers well the evst church

organized forly as ger conference in May

1863 and so the beginning it was mostly

just about 's say sharing the a message

more broadly um establishing churches um

sending ministers into different areas

um

but one thing that was on their mind

during that time was the American Civil

War which started in 1861 went until

1865 and basically that war threatened

the existence of the church so because

um there was the question would there be

a draft so the ministers have drafted

into the military the church tried to

come up with money um so that they could

P to pay a fee that they don't have to

be um serving in the

military um so those were the things

that were on their

mind but about two weeks after they

organized or they organized the general

conference they um El White had a vision

um so on June 5 the evening um 1863 was

a Friday evening and so she had the

vision that we' today refer to as the

compreh through vision because it

outlined a number of different

principles of healthful living and how

the church um could they themselves

could live more healthy lives uh be more

efficient uh in their work for God as

well as um yeah in that sense how this

could also further the the spread of the

message and so in that sense this helped

Adventist to see another aspect of

sharing the message which they didn't

see before before it's all about

doctrines but now they realized oh

there's also there is something has to

do with

lifestyle that Vision might have

um have shaken them a little because

they were worry about other things and

then God showed them that um why was it

so relevant at that time in that context

well there were I would say a number of

different uh reasons why it was relevant

one was that

um that Adventists even though they

tried to share the message they didn't

realize that

one why why was that Mage

relevant so there were a number of

reasons why this message

was

uh

ready okay go ahead there were a number

of different reasons why it was relevant

on the one hand um could say 7 Adventist

Church members as well as ministers were

not very health conscious um of course

they they tried to avoid for example

tobaco or they had a vision in

1848 that highlighted the need to stop

using tobacco chewing tobacco at the

time or

alcohol um also

to like to be more cleanly like to wash

themselves more regularly and so on as

well as to to stop drinking black

tea and so those things have been

emphasized before

but uh in general Adventists for example

they were heavy meat eaters you they ate

pork and other things and so when you

look at the situation in the early 1850s

mid 1850s we see for example the center

of atis like was Rochester New York we

have all these young people that are

there working to publish a periodical to

share the message and one after another

was dying so James they hadal helped

they passed away of tuberculosis

pneumonia and so on um we see that IAH

Smith he had a sister very

talented um Annie Smith she passed and

so we have a number of young people that

die um and even those that survived

their health wasn't the

best so when we get into the early 1860s

we see that um health issues was um a

traveling problem so many pastors

let say the nutrition wasn't good um was

the one not the best one but also then

not enough not enough food and so um and

so in that sense when this health

message came it was something to them

completely new it wasn't necessarily new

for people at the time there were other

American Health

reformers um but there were some

differences as well do you think that in

the way that was or maybe

organized the eight remedies for example

was it someh

unprecedent uh yes and no so on the one

hand we see that U when we look at these

other American Health reformers that

many of the principles that El white

then promoted were already promoted by

other health reforms but usually as part

of a bigger package of advice that these

people gave so we have people like J C

Jackson out in danille New York he was a

health reformer and then there were

others as well but when you look at the

health principles you have from today's

perspective good things and bad things

things that are helpful and things that

are injurious to health and so when you

look at elen White's health health

message

interestingly those things that she

promoted are things where today we would

say those are healthy they are good so

should somehow

she knew I would say knew what to choose

and what to

discard and so from today's perspective

he would say well she chose those things

that are really conducive to Good Health

Optimal Health and to discard those that

are actually dangerous and

harmful so and um so that's that's what

I would say as a historian as a Believer

I would say I think she was divinely

guided because she only had about years

of formal

education like how would she

know um without modern medical knowledge

um like what to choose what it

SC yeah so I would say in that sense

that the contribution that came through

the health uh reform vision and message

was not so much to present something

that was completely new and unique but

to identify what is good and what isn't

and it shows the good ones

now let's move to the uh

organization of the members the Pioneers

towards to um inaugurate the West Health

Institute how do they manage to get the

resources to do

that so once again there are different

aspects here one was that uh even though

um Alan White had received the health

reform Vision in

1863 and it promoted these Health

principles

to her own family as well than to others

um they didn't necessarily see the need

to establish an Institute now James

White's Health wasn't very good so um

Ellen White took him and also some other

effen like J Andrews to this health

reform Institute of Dr James C

Jackson um James White he had

experienced a like stroke yeah and

therefore was partially

and so she took him there and basically

the said well he needs complete rest not

even thinking about serious things

complete rest and she felt well I'm not

sure that this is hopefully I think he

needs some exercise based on what she

had been

showing um the other thing is that they

said well for example we should not eat

any salt um there's an incident uh that

I find somewhat funny uh they were

eating at the table

was Jan Andrews and he saw how elid

pulled something out of her Pucket and

put it on her boot and it was some salt

and so Jan Andel said um but sister

white don't you know that salt is a

mineral that should go into our bodies

and her reply dry humor is simply well

my violence says Sal is good so in that

sense um there were certain things that

were shown to her that conflict with the

things that she had seen at this Health

Institute but then on December 25th 1865

Ellen White had another Vision which we

call the um Health reform Institute

vision and it was uh in that Vision that

she was shown that aen should establish

a health reform Institute according to

the principles that she had been shown

and so afterwards she told people what

she had been shown and what she should

what a

um what helped here in this regard was

that there were several atists that were

more wealthy that could provide funding

as well and so in 1866 basically just

some months later they started the

Western Health perform Institute

of um it experienced its own struggles

in the last couple years especially of a

financial nature um but this is a

different story so in this sense um we

can see that the ear principles as well

as then the starting Institute was

triggered by the vision had but of

course it needed people that um accepted

the vision provided funding and so okay

now um let's let's go over

the how the wife met um

John well they met him first was

so um as I said previously the a work

started or had its first centerest New

York um but when you look at America at

the time people moved towards moved in

the west Direction and so a lot of

people moved for example to Michigan and

so Michigan there was a hub of like

people from the East so there were train

stations built and so on and so there

was also a small group of 7 atists that

lived there by 1854

1855 and so they said to the to El James

come to B Creek this is a place here a

lot of like train tracks going through

this is the the the gate to the West

basically and um like we have the like

the ideal conditions for the work to be

furthered here more so that

Ines and so they said we would be

willing to provide the fing the m

um to start the work here to buy a press

and these kind of things and so then the

whites moved over to to bqu started the

work there one of the members um who was

uh had more let's say a business

acum was John Preston Kell the father of

John Harvey Kell he was a broom maker

and so he provided also money funding

for them to help so that's where James

El might his children the first time now

in the late 1860s we see that John ja

Kell he was born in

1852 um like he was a

teenager he wanted to learn and So

eventually he finished high school um

his high school degree

basically and um the whites realized he

is a young man he is bright he is

creative Innovative he has

ideas uh he could be useful um to this

work and so they said uh we would

encourage you to pursue a medical degree

and we would help you financially to do

this and so that's what happen so he

basically started medical course and in

the next two years he finished it U

supported by the whites and so then at

the age of I think he was 22 or so he

was was a little bit older but it was in

the late 1870s he was asked to take over

lead ship of the what was called Health

reform Institute and he

named and how was um his understanding

of alen White's Health

Vision well that's a good question yeah

so when we look at it um it seems that

he understood that Alm had received

these principles through vision he felt

they were really important um to a point

where sometimes you wonder he had

understanding of those

principles but uh it seems that he

really had also this this perspective

this is something that has to be

promoted it's not just about healing

people healing sick people it's also

about U promoting um Optimal Health and

so therefore when

he took over leadership of the bank

cerium that's what he named it it was

not just what we would call a hospital

it was not just aatori

um we treat like sick people but he

called it a sanitarium so he changed the

name because the idea was to treat sick

sick people as well as to promote health

and so therefore eventually more and

more it also became something like a um

like a spa where people could come stay

for weeks or months often wealthy people

um and in that sense U could just learn

how to life another aspect that was

included uh by John ja Kell but also by

Dr Kate linday so in that sense Kell was

not just by himself there were other

doctors also female doctors which was

quite unusual at the time and so um they

also promoted the training of nurses and

so that those nurses eventually when

after they have been trained could leave

and become

missionaries and so um there were lots

of a nurses eventually missionaries in

different parts of the world they also

um trained doctors Physicians to do

surgeries and so on so in that sense

Battle Creek

catarium became um a multi-purpose

institution and Kell I would say for the

first couple decades had this

perspective of this is important to the

mission of the church eventually it

seems that um uh that his perspective

slightly changed and so he felt that

well the health work should be separate

from the work of the

ministers and also his perspective of um

how people are healed changed as well so

um I could go more to details but maybe

that's I think I think it's great um

let's move on to um

that no he did that but let's talk

about we want to close that subject on C

okay so what was his last moment as with

the Adventist Church something like that

okay but I have to I have to ask the

question

right um Dr kaer could you commment what

was um how was the last moments of Dr

K's with in the Seventh Adventist

Church well Dr J in a way um so he left

the 07 or left his too active he was

this

fellow after a seven

hour um that that he would go separate

ways from the ADV church is something

that

grown on his mind already for a number

of years at least since the early 1890s

and so that this actually happened just

materialized what he himself had already

kind of felt

before um and there are different

aspects on the one hand um he felt that

um the medical work should be completely

separate from the ministerial work in

the church and so he prepared the way

that he could separate it all

organization

uh the the charter of the sanitarium or

the medical association had to be redone

and so he did it in a way that it was no

longer

sectarian no longer religious and he

prepared certain things that um that

basically the medical W would eventually

will s so that's one aspect that

happened already in 1890s and other

thing is that in his mind there were

certain develop

how God works for example so I would say

theologic philosophical Dem now he

himself was not a theologian you might

say he didn't use technical theological

language um therefore some of the

statements are maybe not new on to

have but for example while Ellen White

had emphasized that God's creative power

is active in all

things he said that God is active in all

things and say what's the difference it

sounds like it's the same thing um and

it almost looks like the same thing but

it isn't and we see it when we look at

the

ramifications so he said um God is

present in everything animate inanimate

in animals humans regardless whether

they're Wicked or good God is already in

them and so that's what we today would

call

pantheism pantheism it's pantheism they

called it pantheism back then but it's

actually

pantheism and so um pantheism promotes

the idea that God is in

everything it sounds like an

exaggeration of the imminence of

God so God of course yeah his creative

power is present in

everything or the only presence of God

but it becomes clear what the difference

is

if God is already present in everything

even in Wicked people regardless whether

it's the father or the Holy

Spirit then the question arises is there

need for

converion is there need for the out

praying of the Holy Spirit if even

Wicked people already have the Holy

Spirit why for the out of the Holy

Spirit and so that's where you see the

fine difference between a right's

perspective it's God's creative power

not God himself active

but for Kell that was important um

because he said well when when we hurt

ourselves it heals so what is it that

heals the body he would say it's he

would say

cons so that's what we see some

differences that have practical

ramifications but um

ultimately so while these issues are I

could say boiling under the

we surface on the surface yeah we see

that in 1902 the B

inter and of course the question is it

should be rebuilt but somewhere Ellen

White suggested to build it outside of

the city somewhere else not in B can

look at the same view but um the sarian

also had

debts the question is how do we pay the

de and then the city of B Creek offered

um to cut taxes so that they don't pay

taxes for well uh the insurance said if

they rebuild it there they provide money

wethy uh people of the city they said if

you rebuild it in M Creek we will

provide funding as well and so he said

okay let's do it in Creek bigger than

ever

before well that was against all Council

but um he said well all of this money

would only help to remove the debt have

not to re it so the church needs to help

unfortunately for from his perspective

the church said well we we don't have

the money either we can't pay and so

then Kell said well okay if that doesn't

work I will write a book uh you publish

it I provide the manuscript and the

church members will sell it and then

even come close to the cemetarian to

build it good idea so he writes the book

and when people start reading the

manuscript they're like

his ideas of God's uh presence in

everything per the

book

everywhere and so the church decides not

to accept the not to punish it for Kell

it's like another

attempt that didn't come to what do we

do now well the person who said that we

can't accept this and we don't have a

funding as the GC president AJ

say well we have to get this person we

have to replace it by somebody else and

so he starts intrigues and strategize

how we can remove the general conference

president and replace it by somebody

else this turns out futile as well

because at that General Conference

session when they make the decision it

was decided to change the way how the

confence Pres elected that also did and

so basically at each

and so that created more and more

tensions for the church and the end

result eventually was that basically his

local church said we need to talk and so

they had a seven hour interview and

basically he said I haven't paid for 12

years and I was already

thinking and so in the end they just

said okay we have to go

story but there multiple aspects that

show um what LS to the decision and in

the

Church of building a new place as well

right that L for them how was that

organized Yeah so basically we see that

the B senium was already lost to some

extent before Kell left but when he left

like sealed for sure so but it was clear

that it's no longer Church property

years

before um elen White had uh again um

Visions yeah that shter the

establishment of various

institutions years before she said we

shouldn't just pour all the money into

one institution but have several

institutions and so she had Visions

where she was apped to the need to have

SS 1901 for example she was shown a

place that we should purchase um and how

the place looked like with trees that go

over um like a

certain place and how it looked like it

was very beautiful but she had no clue

what this is so this was already 191

before all the

struggles B

over

um but then eventually talking about

this there was a young Adventist

Minister uh John buron and he was now

and then looking around is there a place

like this that she was

shown and eventually he found a place

that fit the

description um but it was too expensive

it was initially I think

$110,000 um but it was far too expensive

hav eventually prices dropped went down

further and further and So eventually it

went down to

$40,000 and so white said why from what

money so in the end the church said we

can't um so he came up with private

money his own money as well as from

other people he was borrowing money and

So eventually they could make a down

payment and then over the next three

years they were able to make additional

payments to buy it eventually he then

donated the property to the church but

this was what we call today Linda Linda

sarum eventually Hospital University so

this was one but Ellen White was shown

that they should purchase more and there

were specific places um where properties

were identified that fit well once again

El white saw certain things and then

they went there they found this is

actually true so uh glendel in AAR is

one of these places as well um Paradise

Valley sarian is another one so within a

short time of like one or two years a

bit more than a year they purchased

three properties it became three scarium

so they had lost one now they had three

more than before