Tesla Is Already Losing the Robotaxi Wars

Asymmetric Investing by Travis Hoium
4 Sept 202409:49

Summary

TLDRThe video discusses the future of autonomous vehicle robo-taxis, comparing Tesla’s ambitious yet untested plans with the current market leaders, Cruise (owned by GM) and Waymo (owned by Alphabet). These companies already have operational robo-taxis in several U.S. cities and are expanding rapidly, while Tesla lags behind with no fully autonomous vehicles in testing. The video emphasizes that Cruise and Waymo are safer, proven, and more practical investment options compared to Tesla, which faces regulatory challenges and delayed progress in the robo-taxi industry.

Takeaways

  • 🚕 Tesla is expected to announce an autonomous Robo taxi product on October 10th, but competitors are already ahead in the market.
  • 🤖 Uber has partnerships with Cruise (a GM subsidiary) and Waymo (owned by Alphabet), both of which have operational autonomous vehicles today.
  • 🌍 Waymo has the most autonomous miles driven and is operational in cities like Phoenix, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Austin.
  • 🛣️ Waymo's autonomous service covers a large area in Phoenix, including 315 square miles of the metro area, and is expanding in other major cities.
  • 🚗 Cruise, owned by General Motors, is also operational with modified Chevy Bolt vehicles and is expanding to more cities like Phoenix, Dallas, and Houston.
  • 🛠️ Tesla’s autonomous driving system (FSD) is only at Level 2, while competitors are deploying higher-level systems that don’t require drivers.
  • 🚨 Cruise faced setbacks in San Francisco due to an incident in 2023, but it’s relaunching and testing safety measures in key cities.
  • 📱 Both Waymo and Cruise have partnerships with Uber, allowing customers to book rides through the Uber app in cities where they operate.
  • ⏳ Tesla has not begun testing fully autonomous driving systems in key states like California and Texas, which means they are years behind competitors.
  • 💡 Investors might find better opportunities in General Motors (Cruise) and Alphabet (Waymo) compared to Tesla, as those companies are further along in the Robo taxi business.

Q & A

  • What is Tesla expected to announce on October 10th?

    -Tesla is expected to announce a Robo-taxi product, which is an autonomous vehicle concept, on October 10th.

  • How are competitors like Cruise and Waymo ahead of Tesla in the Robo-taxi market?

    -Cruise and Waymo are already deploying fully autonomous vehicles (Robo-taxis) in multiple cities in the U.S., while Tesla's autonomous driving technology is still in development and hasn't been tested in public markets at the same level.

  • What level of autonomous driving is Tesla currently working on?

    -Tesla is attempting to move from a Level 2 autonomous driving system (which requires driver supervision) to a Level 5 system, which would be fully autonomous and capable of driving anywhere without human intervention.

  • Which companies are currently partnering with Uber for Robo-taxi services?

    -Uber is partnering with both Cruise (owned by General Motors) and Waymo (owned by Alphabet) to provide autonomous vehicle services on their platform.

  • What cities are Waymo’s Robo-taxis currently operational in?

    -Waymo's Robo-taxis are operational in Phoenix, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Austin.

  • Why is Cruise considered a strong competitor in the Robo-taxi space?

    -Cruise is owned by General Motors and is actively deploying autonomous vehicles in multiple cities. They have partnered with Uber, which expands their potential customer base significantly.

  • What challenges is Tesla facing in its Robo-taxi development?

    -Tesla is not currently testing fully autonomous vehicles in key states like California and Texas, which are critical for deploying its Robo-taxi network. Tesla also faces regulatory hurdles and hasn't yet proven its 'vision-only' autonomous driving model.

  • What incident caused Cruise to temporarily pull its vehicles off the road?

    -In October 2023, an incident in San Francisco led Cruise to temporarily halt its autonomous vehicle operations to reassess safety protocols and ensure compliance with regulations.

  • What is the regulatory status of Tesla's autonomous vehicle testing?

    -Tesla is not testing fully autonomous vehicles (Level 3, 4, or 5) in key U.S. states like California or Texas, where other companies like Waymo and Cruise are actively testing and deploying their Robo-taxis.

  • Why might Waymo and Cruise be better investments than Tesla in the autonomous vehicle space?

    -Waymo and Cruise are already operational, collecting data, and scaling their autonomous vehicle networks in major U.S. cities. Tesla, meanwhile, is years away from deploying a fully autonomous Robo-taxi service, making Waymo and Cruise less risky and more proven options.

Outlines

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🚗 Tesla Faces Robo-Taxi Competition

Tesla is expected to announce a Robo-taxi product soon, but competitors like Cruz (owned by General Motors) and Whmo (owned by Alphabet) are already ahead, deploying autonomous vehicles today. These companies are scaling their Robo-taxi businesses across multiple U.S. cities, including Phoenix, Los Angeles, and Austin. While Tesla aims to jump from a level two to level five autonomous system, they are not actively testing these systems in areas where they plan to operate. The speaker, Travis, explains why Cruz and Whmo are more reliable bets in the autonomous vehicle space due to their proven records and real-world deployments.

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🚖 Whmo and Cruz's Autonomous Operations

Whmo, owned by Alphabet, has the most autonomous miles driven and is operational in Phoenix, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Austin. Their Robo-taxi service covers large areas such as 315 square miles in Phoenix. They offer a real product that customers can access through their app or Uber. Cruz, owned by General Motors, uses modified Chevy Bolts for their Robo-taxi service. They are operational in cities like Phoenix, Dallas, and Houston but faced setbacks in 2023. After reorganizing, they are back on the road and expanding through a partnership with Uber, allowing customers to book Cruz vehicles via the Uber app.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Robo taxi

A Robo taxi refers to an autonomous vehicle that operates as a taxi without the need for a human driver. In the video, it is discussed in the context of companies like Tesla, Cruise, and Waymo (referred to as 'whmo'), which are competing to deploy fully autonomous Robo taxis. The video argues that while Tesla is expected to announce such a product, competitors like Waymo and Cruise already have functioning Robo taxis on the road in several U.S. cities.

💡Autonomous vehicle

An autonomous vehicle is a self-driving car that operates without human intervention, relying on sensors, cameras, and AI to navigate. In the video, the speaker highlights that companies like Waymo and Cruise are actively deploying autonomous vehicles, whereas Tesla has yet to test its fully autonomous systems in key markets. Autonomous vehicles are the core technology enabling the Robo taxi business model.

💡Level 5 autonomous system

Level 5 refers to full automation, where a vehicle can drive anywhere under any conditions without human input. Tesla's goal is to reach this level, but the video notes that Tesla is currently only at Level 2, which still requires driver supervision. The video contrasts this with Waymo and Cruise, which are further along in deploying higher-level autonomous vehicles, potentially putting Tesla at a competitive disadvantage.

💡Waymo

Waymo (referred to as 'whmo' in the video) is an autonomous driving technology company owned by Alphabet (Google's parent company). Waymo is leading the Robo taxi market, with operational autonomous taxis in cities like Phoenix, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. The video emphasizes Waymo’s extensive testing and the fact that it has the most autonomous miles driven, positioning it as a frontrunner over Tesla in this industry.

💡Cruise

Cruise is a subsidiary of General Motors that is also involved in the deployment of autonomous vehicles. The video highlights Cruise’s operational Robo taxis in cities such as Phoenix, Dallas, and Houston. The company faced a setback in 2023 due to a safety incident in San Francisco but is now regaining momentum, especially through its partnership with Uber to scale its autonomous taxi business.

💡Tesla

Tesla is mentioned as a major player in the autonomous vehicle market, although the video critiques Tesla’s slow progress compared to Waymo and Cruise. Tesla aims to build a Level 5 autonomous system but is still at Level 2, and its vehicles are not being tested in key markets like California or Texas. The video questions Tesla's ability to catch up with competitors already operating Robo taxis.

💡Uber

Uber is a ride-hailing company that has partnered with both Waymo and Cruise to integrate autonomous vehicles into its platform. The video discusses how Uber benefits from these partnerships, as it can offer autonomous ride-hailing services without developing its own autonomous technology. This partnership is described as a 'win-win,' helping Uber compete in the evolving transportation market.

💡FSD (Full Self-Driving)

Full Self-Driving (FSD) is Tesla’s advanced driver-assistance system, which is currently only at a Level 2 stage, meaning drivers must still supervise and be ready to take control. The video points out that Tesla has rebranded its FSD system as 'supervised FSD' in its documentation, indicating it is not yet fully autonomous. This rebranding suggests that Tesla is far from delivering a true Robo taxi solution.

💡Partnership

Partnership refers to the collaborations between companies to achieve business goals. In the video, partnerships are crucial in the autonomous vehicle industry. Uber's partnerships with Waymo and Cruise are examples of how companies are leveraging each other’s strengths. These partnerships allow Uber to introduce autonomous ride-hailing services, while Waymo and Cruise benefit from Uber's large customer base.

💡Safety

Safety is a central concern in the deployment of autonomous vehicles. The video notes that Cruise faced safety issues in 2023, leading to a temporary suspension of its operations in San Francisco. Tesla’s autonomous systems are also critiqued for not being fully tested in states like California or Texas, raising questions about the readiness of its technology. Companies must prioritize safety to gain regulatory approval and customer trust in the Robo taxi market.

Highlights

Tesla is expected to announce an autonomous Robo taxi product on October 10th, but competitors are already ahead in the market.

Uber has partnerships with autonomous vehicle companies like Cruise (owned by General Motors) and Waymo (owned by Alphabet).

Waymo has the most autonomous miles on the road and is currently operational in cities like Phoenix, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Austin.

Cruise is deploying modified Chevy Bolts as Robo taxis and is operational in cities like Phoenix, Dallas, and Houston.

Waymo's Phoenix network covers 315 square miles, including the airport and major areas like Scottsdale and Chandler.

Both Cruise and Waymo are available through Uber, enhancing Uber's autonomous ride-sharing options.

Tesla is still in the early stages, working on a Level 2 vision-only system and is not yet testing fully autonomous vehicles on U.S. roads.

Waymo plans to release a custom Robo taxi vehicle, expected next year, that could further increase its market dominance.

Cruise's plans for a custom Robo taxi without a steering wheel are delayed due to regulatory issues, and it will continue using modified Chevy Bolts.

Cruise faced a setback in San Francisco in October 2023 but has resumed operations with improved safety measures and partnerships with first responders.

Tesla has not yet received permits for fully autonomous vehicle testing in key states like California and Texas.

Waymo and Cruise are currently the only companies with deployment permits for fully driverless operations in various U.S. cities.

Tesla's Full-Self Driving (FSD) system has been rebranded as 'Supervised FSD,' indicating the need for driver supervision, unlike the fully autonomous systems from competitors.

Investors are advised to consider General Motors (Cruise) and Alphabet (Waymo) as better options for autonomous vehicle investments over Tesla.

Both Cruise and Waymo are expected to have thousands of Robo taxis operational before Tesla is able to fully enter the market with autonomous vehicles.

Transcripts

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Tesla is expected to announce some sort

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of autonomous vehicle Robo taxi product

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on the 10th of October but the reality

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is the market is already moving forward

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without Tesla Uber already has

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Partnerships with Cruz a subsidiary of

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General Motors and whmo a company that

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is owned by alphabet both of these

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companies are deploying autonomous

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vehicles today or Robo taxies so no

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driver and they're scaling these

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business businesses across a number of

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cities across the United States now of

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course the vision for Tesla is very

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different they are attempting to go from

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a level two autonomous driving system

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that is Vision only to basically a level

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five autonomous system that can take you

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essentially anywhere in the country or

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around the world what Tesla is not doing

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is testing any of those systems in the

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states where they would be theoretically

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operating so I want to go through what

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we know today and why I think Cruz and

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weo are actually the better bets in the

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robo taxi business than Tesla because

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they're actually on the road we have

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data behind them and we're not talking

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about a theoretical product we're

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talking about something that's proven

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and safe today my name's Travis ham

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to who these two competitors are the

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first that I want to highlight is wh

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whmo is owned by alphabet they have the

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most autonomous miles on the road of any

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company today and they are currently

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launching wh 1 this is their Robo taxi

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product they're actually going to make a

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custom vehicle that Zer is going to make

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that should be out potentially next year

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but they are operational in Phoenix San

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Francisco Los Angeles and Austin if you

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just look at their map in the Phoenix

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area you can see that this covers a

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tremendous amount of space 315 square

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miles in Metro Phoenix so basically

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everywhere you want to go from the

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airport all the way up through Scottdale

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and down to Chandler in Los Angeles

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there's obviously a lot more space to

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expand to but they're going all the way

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from Santa Monica up to West Hollywood

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so a huge amount of area that weo is

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operating and this is something that you

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can see on the road today there are

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hundreds of vehicles in operation so

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this is a real Robo taxi that you can

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call through the weo app or you can get

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a wh Mo through Uber as well I'll cover

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that in just a second the other company

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deploying Robo taxis today is crw this

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is a Chevy bolt so a modified Chevy bolt

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what Cru is going to be doing they are

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owned by General Motors but what they're

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going to be doing is next year they're

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going to be launching a Chevy bolt that

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will be custom made for cruise they

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originally wanted to do this kind of

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Mini Bus design that had doors that

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opened a little bit like a bus you could

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fit four people in there would be very

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custom made for specifically a robo taxi

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but that's not technically legal to

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drive on the road without a steering

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wheel right now so what they're going to

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do is they're going to leverage their

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new bolt bring a little bit more scale

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to that business and modify that so it

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will look a little bit better

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theoretically but Cruz is now doing what

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they call manual driving and supervised

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driving in Phoenix Dallas and Houston

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I'll go over where I think they have

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some operations in Austin as well but

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there are at least those three cities

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where they are bringing their vehicles

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back to the road if you're familiar with

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Cru there was an incident in San

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Francisco area in October 2023 that

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actually pulled the company's vehicles

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from the road their CEO left they kind

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of reconfigured everything that they're

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doing and they're kind of starting from

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scratch from a robo taxi deployment

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perspective so making sure that all

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their safety measures are in order

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they're working with First Responders

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all that kind of background stuff that

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isn't sexy but you have to do if you're

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going to build a big Robo taxi business

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so Cruz has been doing that over the

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last almost a year now and they are now

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back on the road the big item for Cru

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recently was they announced a partner

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ship with Uber where you're going to be

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able to call for a vehicle in Uber and

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then get a cruise in the cities where

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they're available this is basically the

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exact same partnership that weo has so

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for cruise it builds out your ride

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sharing Network or the demand side of

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what you're building you could go

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through the cruise app just like you

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could go through the whmo app but Uber

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has an established customer base so I

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think that's a great way to get into the

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market and for Uber it brings autonomous

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vehicles to their platform with ever

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without ever having to develop or build

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build those autonomous vehicles

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themselves so probably a win-win for

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both of these companies but when I say

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Cruz and wh are way ahead of Tesla in

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Robo taxis what I mean is that Tesla is

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not even testing these products in the

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market this is from the state of

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California they're autonomous vehicle

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testing permit holders you can see that

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there are a ton of companies that have a

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permit to test autonomous vehicles this

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is with a safety driver so Apple has one

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of these Cruz is here Mercedes-Benz

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mobile eye Tesla is on this list but

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then if you go down here to permit

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holders for driverless testing the

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number of permits Falls dramatically weo

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is here and they have a ton of cities

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where they they're able to operate and

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Cruz actually left the California area

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so it doesn't appear that they're going

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to be launching in California at least

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in the near future so we'll see what

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happens over the next few months and

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then if you go to deployment without a

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driver there are only three companies on

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this list Mercedes-Benz that may

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surprise you but they actually have a

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level three autonomous driving system

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there is nuro nuro this is a relatively

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small company and then wh wh can operate

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not just in all of these cities they

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actually have some areas where they are

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able to operate on the highway that I

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don't believe is available to customers

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yet but employees are using it so that

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is the next step is not just to be able

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to go on public roads but also on

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highways at speeds of 60 70 M an hour so

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that that's a huge step forward for wh

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the other big state to watch from an

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autonomous driving perspective is Texas

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this is where Tesla is headquartered so

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you would think if Tesla is going to be

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testing anything they're going to be

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doing that in Texas but let's look at

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some of the operators and what I want to

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look at here is these little car symbols

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so this is up in the Dallas area you can

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see that Cruz is operating in Dallas

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here's another one here for Cruz if you

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go down to Austin you you have whmo

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Volkswagen actually has some testing

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going on that would be likely through

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mobile ey zuk which is owned by Amazon

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AV ride and then Cru again if you go

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down to Houston this is another one of

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those areas that Cruz has said that

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they're going to be expanding who do you

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not see on this list you don't see Tesla

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on this list because they are not

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testing any level three level four or

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level five autonomous driving in the

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what we know today is that Uber Cru and

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wh are all working together in one form

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or another to launch autonomous vehicles

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to launch Robo taxis into the market to

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actually have real people riding in

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those Robo taxis the one company that

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does not have any of those products is

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Tesla and even from a regulatory

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perspective testing autonomous driving

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features Tesla is not on this list that

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means that it's likely going to be 2 3 4

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years before Tesla will be allowed to

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drive fully autonomously on the road

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without some sort of a safety driver

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there is nowhere in the US today that

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you're able to get a permit to have a

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completely autonomous vehicle without

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doing any sort of testing so we need to

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go through that phase completely before

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Tesla would ever have some sort of

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robotaxi on the road and we don't know

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exactly what the business model for T

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Tesla is going to be even if they figure

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out autonomous driving which they

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haven't done with the current versions

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of FSD you may have noticed that they

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have now replaced FSD with supervised

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FSD with FSD supervised in all of their

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documentation that means that they're

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really saying so after a number of

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lawsuits they are explicitly saying that

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this is a pro product that has to be

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supervised they have not gotten to the

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point where you're able to go completely

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hands-free now musk has said in the past

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that they're going to at least build

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some sort of Fleet themselves to start

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this Robo taxi business that may not be

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for a couple of years by that time will

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likely have thousands maybe even tens of

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thousands of wio and cruise vehicles on

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the road building this autonomous

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vehicle Network this Robo taxi Network

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they will be potentially years ahead of

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Tesla and that's if Tesla ever gets to

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the road with a vision only Robo taxi I

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am skeptical that they were will ever be

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able to do that I'm certainly willing to

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be proven wrong but I haven't seen any

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data to show that they will be able to

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drive Tesla vehicles with only only

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Vision Without a driver and do that

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safely so I think if you're interested

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in autonomous driving two companies to

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watch is actually General Motors trading

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about five times earnings you basically

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get Cru for free and wh so alphabet so

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you get the search engine all of that

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and you get the upside from whmo don't

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think you're paying a lot for that

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either I think those are much better

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risk reward benefits from an investor

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perspective than Tesla is today but let

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