Is this the end of British manufacturing?

PoliticsJOE
26 Jan 202424:22

Summary

TLDRThe video examines the potential closure of Tata Steel's Port Talbot plant in Wales, which would impact 3,000 jobs. It explores reactions from workers who have dedicated careers there and believe Westminster doesn't care about them. The script also analyzes factors like Brexit, climate change policy, and Conservative indifference as contributing to Port Talbot's struggles. Overall, it provides perspectives from multiple stakeholders to illustrate the human impact of closing the historic plant on the community.

Takeaways

  • 😢 Steelworkers in Port Talbot, Wales face potential job losses as Tata Steel plans to shut down blast furnaces.
  • 😟 The closure could impact up to 10,000 jobs in the area and devastate the local community.
  • 🤔 Tata Steel claims it needs to transition to green steel production, but unions argue the technology isn't ready yet.
  • 😠 Workers feel betrayed by broken Brexit promises that steel would thrive outside the EU.
  • 😤 The UK government provided funds to Tata Steel but nothing to protect steelworker jobs.
  • 😒 Workers don't feel supported by the Conservative government and believe they'd do more if the plant was elsewhere.
  • 🙁 Generations of families have worked in the steel industry and would lose their livelihoods.
  • 🤨 The UK would become reliant on importing steel rather than producing its own.
  • 😕 Closure is seen as inevitable but workers want a managed transition to protect jobs.
  • 😐 The government is offering retraining rather than trying to save the plant and its associated jobs.

Q & A

  • What is the current situation at the Port Talbot steelworks?

    -The Port Talbot steelworks is at risk of closure, with Tata Steel planning to shut down the two remaining blast furnaces which would cost up to 2,800 jobs at the site. This despite the UK government providing Tata with half a billion pounds to help with their green transition.

  • What is the potential impact on the local community if the steelworks closes?

    -The unions estimate that closure could affect over 10,000 jobs in total when accounting for knock-on effects. This would devastate Port Talbot and the surrounding area which is already economically struggling, potentially turning it into a ghost town.

  • Why does the UK still need steel production facilities like Port Talbot?

    -UK industries like car manufacturing and food production rely on domestic steel production. Without it they would have to import steel, which increases costs and emissions due to transportation. Retaining some domestic steel production is strategically important.

  • Is this closure driven by climate change policy?

    -No, experts say it is more a consequence of Brexit and unfulfilled promises that the UK steel industry would thrive outside the EU. The Biden administration has also made clear it wants to limit imports of dirty steel.

  • How have the UK government responded to the situation?

    -Poorly according to critics. The PM refused a call from the Welsh First Minister on the day the closure plans were announced. The government has pledged retraining funds but workers want ongoing investment to secure the site's future.

  • What financial support have the opposition proposed?

    -The Labour party have proposed a £3.5 billion fund for clean steel production across the UK. This would support the transition to lower emission virgin steel production at sites like Port Talbot.

  • What transition support do workers want to see?

    -Workers want the blast furnaces kept operating until new electric arc furnaces are built. This would retain jobs during the transition. They also want a pledge of support for the long-term future of Port Talbot.

  • Why might the government be reluctant to provide more support?

    -As a traditionally Labour-voting area, there is a perception the Conservative government cares less about protecting Welsh jobs. Unions feel support would be greater if Port Talbot was located elsewhere.

  • What has happened when major employers have left similar areas before?

    -Former mining areas have never recovered, with ongoing economic decline and destitution. Workers fear the same fate but want to see proactive efforts to avoid it this time.

  • How do steelworkers feel they are viewed by politicians?

    -They feel misunderstood and ignored, with politicians failing to grasp the importance of steelmaking for communities and talking only of retraining rather than solutions to keep the industry going.

Outlines

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🏭 Paragraph 1 introduces Port Talbot steelworks facing closure and job losses.

The first paragraph provides background on Port Talbot steelworks in Wales, which is facing potential closure of its blast furnaces operated by Tata Steel. This could result in thousands of job losses, up to 2,800 at the main site, affecting the livelihoods of steelworkers who have dedicated their careers there across generations. The impacts would ripple through the community and dependent businesses. There are questions over who is to blame - climate policy, Brexit, the government?

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😟 Paragraph 2 explores the wider economic impact on the community and region.

The second paragraph explains the potential closure's devastating impact beyond the direct job losses at the plant. Many related businesses like deliveries, hospitality and shops would suffer across the region. Some estimates suggest over 10,000 jobs could be affected in Port Talbot and beyond if the furnaces close, with communities left struggling.

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😤 Paragraph 3 covers steelworkers lobbying government and lack of support.

Paragraph three focuses on steelworkers bringing their case to Parliament, hoping to lobby politicians to back the industry. But Labour's plans to support steel proved absent, with the Shadow Chancellor unaware of the debate. There is a feeling the government is not providing the needed support, unlike what would happen if the plant was in a Conservative-voting area.

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😡 Paragraph 4 looks at the impact of climate policy and Brexit.

The fourth paragraph examines differing perspectives on the closure. Some see it as climate hysteria, while others point to Brexit fallout and highlight that much dirtier steel will now be imported. There is anger at broken promises that Brexit would boost British steel, with the industry let down.

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😟 Paragraph 5 considers risks of losing major customers like food canning.

The fifth and final paragraph explores the risk of major customers like the food canning factory Tata supplies switching to foreign steel if the blast furnaces close, as electric arc furnace capabilities currently can't replace their needs. This could threaten the viability of interlinked manufacturing.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡jobs

The video focuses heavily on the potential loss of thousands of jobs at the Port Talbot steelworks. This directly threatens the livelihoods of steelworkers and their families. It also threatens related jobs in supporting industries and the wider community.

💡community

The potential closure of the steelworks would devastate the entire Port Talbot community which relies heavily on the plant. Multiple generations of families have worked there for decades.

💡generations

Many steelworkers highlight how their fathers, grandfathers and even great grandfathers worked at the steelworks before them. There is immense pride and history tied to the plant.

💡government

Much blame and criticism is directed at the UK government for not providing enough support to transition the plant to green steel production which would save jobs.

💡green steel

Switching to lower emission steel production using hydrogen rather than coal is presented as an alternative that could save jobs and incomes.

💡blast furnaces

The planned shutdown of blast furnaces at the plant to reduce carbon emissions is directly resulting in job losses.

💡carbon emissions

Decarbonization targets are allegedly being prioritized over saving jobs and communities depending on the steelworks.

💡destitution

Without major industries and employers, former mining and industrial areas of Wales have suffered economic collapse, poverty and lack of opportunities.

💡uncertainty

Steelworkers face immense anxiety and uncertainty over job losses that threaten to upend their lives and community.

💡hope

Despite the mounting challenges, some steelworkers cling to a hope that government intervention or new technologies like green steel could yet save jobs.

Highlights

Steel was marketed as Britain's Diamond, the great Bastion of Brexit and sovereignty

3000 jobs are at risk and a town in Wales is on the brink of collapse due to the steel plant closure

The steel closure could cost up to 2800 direct jobs and over 10,000 additional jobs due to knock-on effects

Other G20 countries are not abandoning virgin steel production like the UK, but are building bigger plants

Labour has a £3.5 billion clean steel production plan to help transition and mitigate job losses

Closing blast furnaces is not the climate-friendly solution as it offshores emissions to less efficient foreign plants

Brexit promises of better global trade for UK steel failed to materialize

Prime Minister refused to take a call with the First Minister of Wales when the closure was announced

The local economy relies heavily on the steel plant, with Hindes bean factory at risk without steel supply

The steel plant once employed 20,000 people locally compared to just 3000 now

Locals have no faith the Conservatives care about their town or would do anything to earn their vote

There's still time for the government to negotiate between unions and Tata Steel

Wales has a history of major manufacturers leaving despite government intervention attempts

Labour MP laments the indifference and lack of seriousness from the Conservative government

Locals feel the Conservatives have failed them for over a decade

Transcripts

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steel was marketed as Britain's Diamond

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product the great Bastion of brexit

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sovereignty so why now are there 3,000

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jobs at risk and why is a town in Wales

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on the brink of collapse welcome to Port

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Albert the steel town of Port talba is

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braced for the same devastating decline

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suffered by a string of once thriving

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South Wales Valley communities TARTA

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steel have said it will shut down the

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two remaining blast furnaces costing up

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to 2,800 jobs at its main UK site

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despite half a billion pounds of

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government funding to help the Indian

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company with its green transition no

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deal was attempted to keep workers in

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their roles people are facing the worst

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case scenario but who's to blame is it

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climate hysteria is it brexit or is it

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the current conservative Administration

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and what happens when 3,000 people and

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their dependents are forced onto the

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doll hi when I started here in 1979 I

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had my Apprentice interview and in the

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red brick building you see were there

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that's where I actually had my interview

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for my first year appren SHP in as I say

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1979 all this land going back about a

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mile down there used to be British steel

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land as well so was a lot of change all

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along here right the way as far as you

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can see down there this is my 45th year

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now in the steel works there's been a

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lot of change in that time and I never

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thought I'd be alive to see the day

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where we were massively under threat of

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closure uh because that what they

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announced with a heavy end really

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speaking could be the the final na in

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the car thing talk to me then about the

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local area so headline is 2,800 jobs

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could go but what what is that actually

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mean in real terms if you go Downstream

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as well you got the deliveries um lry

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drivers who deliver in raw materials the

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boats and everything com in in the

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community the shops Cinemas uh the

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corner shop The Petal station everything

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everything the knock on yeah the pubs

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everything is a knock on and it's say

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the community is not just a local

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community no more but I Saturday in 1979

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you could put the blanket over the area

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of people where they came from to join

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this company now it's way way further

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the field people are traveling 30 m 40

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mil to get to work here so it'll knock

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on into their hometowns as well so it

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it's far out reaching we we're looking

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at tataa and the reducing of the two

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plus furnaces bearing in mind are

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building new furnaces in their Homeland

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so for it to go green I mean I

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understand we we we produce 2% of the

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carbon that's contributed into the UK

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and 2% too much but we seem to be one of

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the few countries that are playing by

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the Queensbury rules everyone else has

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seem to be building the new bigger uh

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Coke furnaces where we are shutting ours

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and it's even green pieces say in the

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electric AR is not the way forward at

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this pleasure Moment In Time so we're

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hoping now to have get green peace down

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you and have a chat with them and

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explain to them their thoughts on it as

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well we need to try and do this and do

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this properly if we're going to play a

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part in what's going on globally uh

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rather than actually uh relegating

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ourselves to something of a Backwater

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because uh none other of the G20 Nations

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uh to my knowledge is abandoning virgin

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steel production but Labor's green

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Prosperity plan does have provision in

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there

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saying that they would provide three and

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a half billion pounds for clean steel

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production across the UK uh that would

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be welcome uh because if we're

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manufacturing virgin steel uh with much

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lower emissions through clean hydrogen

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then we think globally that means a

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better outcome for the climate obviously

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we're delighted if it can have a a good

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outcome for workers who have been uh who

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are exiting from the old steel industry

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as well because it's very important that

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this uh the transition to low emissions

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and zero emissions is done barely as

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possible to the to the workers at the

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sharp end so that's why we think that a

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plan that does include provision for

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Virgin steel production in the UK uh is

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something that a government of any shade

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should be looking at what we need really

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is is something more like a vision for

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Port Tolbert and we think that clean

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steel production absolutely fits that

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and I hope would uh allow some of those

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job losses to be mitigated or avoided

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can you talk to me a little bit about

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what it's like to work inside the

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plant well I got to be honest I think

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it's tremendous you know what I mean

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I've always you know I've done a bit in

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there and uh I enjoy my job I do enjoy

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it and it's about meeting people and

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it's the banther in there as well

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because I go to different areas and not

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stuck in one place so it's brilliant for

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me how long did you say you'd been here

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18 years

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years when did you start then oh Christ

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18 years

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ago what made you start what made me

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start uh I come in I come in as a brick

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leer in the works then we was outsourced

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the

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department but uh I've really enjoyed it

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if this closes it'll be a massive blow

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to the community full stop I mean the

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town is not very good at the moment

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anyway what I mean with shops and

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everything else for this area it'll be a

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massive blow not for this area for the

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rest of South Wales know what I mean cuz

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it's an knock on effect though they

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saying it's like uh 2,800 jobs or

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whatever it'll be a massive a lot more

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than that it'll be about 12,000 jobs if

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Tata steel are to close their furnace

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buyers of Port Talbert steel such as

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nissen's Sunderland car factory and

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canning producers like baked bean maker

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hindes would have to begin importing

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steel to keep their British factories

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open thousands of businesses would be

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affected and not just in manufacturing

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Lorry drivers and Hospitality would all

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be put out of work in Port talber alone

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unions estimate the number of workers

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affected could top

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10,000 my name's Mandy Mandy what do you

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do um I own I'm owner of this sper van

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I've been here for 35 years what's going

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to happen when the steel if gosh if if

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the steel Works were to close I don't

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think there' be much much use of us then

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really a job for us so not on effect for

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everybody everybody in every aspect of

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life there be a knock on effect for

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everybody devastating

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really is that the feeling around around

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town yeah it's quite apocalyptic at the

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moment everybody's in a a bit of a days

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like I don't think they thought that it

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was going to happen ever and now that it

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has come to light I think a lot of

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people people

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are well they

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really they're not happy about it but

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they can't do nothing about it so if

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there you go you go pretty much uh this

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it's just a knock on effect from the

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smallest people up to the bigger ones

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and it's just everything it be

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devastating around here it'll be like a

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ghost town it's become a National

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Emergency I mean do you do you feel it

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like I mean it's all over the news do

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you feel the sort of support that you

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want from I think everybody in in around

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you should stand with them and fight

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with them so you know everybody get

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involved because it involves everybody

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and it's like families uh like third

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fourth Generations cuz there's nothing

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else you it's all everybody ever known

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is the still works my father my

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grandfather my two one of my brothers

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worked there my husband works there my

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son works there

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us so it's a big knock on effect all

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together like never look at anything

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half empty because you'll get never get

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anywhere aul always a full but these

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people have been out to work before this

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and they've got struggles in their lives

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and that and they come up here for a

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jack of coffee and uh you know try to

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talk to them and things got to be done

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sometimes

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[Music]

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of on Tuesday Port Talbert workers

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brought their case to Parliament in

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hopes of lobbying politicians to take

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their plight seriously I I do also want

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to acknowledge that in the public

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Gallery we have many Steel Workers

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who've made the journey here today men

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like Alan who have worked at Port

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Talbert for 40 years as did his father

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and did both his grandfathers or Gary

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who's worked there for 37 years and his

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son now works in the hot Mill we have

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men and women from Port Tolbert from

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skunthorp and from trra who started as

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apprentices and I want to say thank you

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to them thank you for the contribution

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that they and their families have made

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to the UK over many many generations

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last year I went several times to to

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Steel sites across Wales and I met the

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workforce at Port Talbert when these

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plans were first announced I think they

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deserve a lot better than what they're

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being offered right now but at a minimum

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they deserve this place to take their

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case seriously and to engage with these

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issues with the respect and

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consideration they require I'm Jess I'm

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electrical engineer in pot to Steel

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works in the hot Mill what you doing

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today um trying to put some uh pressure

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on the government on the politicians

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inside to um get behind step up and

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support the steel industry um it's

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devastating um it's the first time I've

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been in a position like this in my

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career I started in the steel industry

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in 1999 um in my 25th year now um yeah

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it's devastating it it is it's it's yeah

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it's it's really difficult for a guy

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like me I provided for my family my

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whole career um I got a wife I got two

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kids I pay on the main bread we I pay

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for everything um yeah it's it's a hard

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position to find yourself in how

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important is it to the area it's

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massively important to the area um so

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the steel industry is the biggest

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employer in the area but it's the

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biggest contributor to the economy in

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the area um it is critical that that

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industry survives I'm from The southw

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Valleys um born and breed in AV area U

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and brought up there um ex- mining

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Community I've seen the devastation

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that's come when new pole Industries

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like this out of the community eil was

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the next Valley over from where I lived

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um when that went in 2002 um or 2001

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it's resulted in the area of Brent

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slipping further and further down the

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SAU economic scale it's left now in

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destitution and there's no answer to it

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the government um haven't put any

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support into those areas there's nothing

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to say that they'd put the support into

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Port Albert if that was to fail they've

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pledged um uh retraining funds and this

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but the industry hasn't gone yet I'm not

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interested in retraining fans I'm not

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interested in an article in the Wales

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online yesterday saying what are we

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going to do with the land um we're still

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there we we need a business going

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forward we need to keep the blast

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furnace going until the electric AR

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furnace is built we need a 3 million T

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Elric AR forness we need support from

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these guys here to pledge their support

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for the long-term future of Port Albert

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the industries in the wrong area in the

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country with regards to support from a

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Tori government um we're unlikely to see

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it in South Wales we're not Tori voters

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historically um we're from a sort of

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industrial Heartland we're from that

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that ex-mining Community we we're lab

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born and breed in that respect um so

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yeah we we need to see the support um I

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think if the steel Works was in a

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different part of the country then yeah

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we may have seen more support from aori

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government but you may not have had the

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same Workforce then so yeah it's it's a

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little difficult so you're going to go

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into Parliament today and you're going

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to sit through the debate and they are

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going to tell you that they're going to

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retrain the area that they're going to

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repurpose the area I mean what are you

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going to think it's not good enough it

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it's it's not the answer um this is all

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stuff that has happened in my area where

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I was born and bred it has never

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recovered the area is still today in

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destitution massive Reliance on benefits

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massive Reliance on food F Banks it is

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at the top of every League table nobody

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wants to be near as an economic area

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there's no opportunity there for people

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like me the jobs for qualified people

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like me don't exist in those localities

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you've got to travel for them or move

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away not to be I don't to upset you with

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this question but what was it like when

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you had to go home and tell your family

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that this was happening um I didn't it

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was all over the news as well um but

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yeah it is devastating this wor and I've

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had um my mother fing me saying don't

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worry about things we can s out I've had

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my wife asking me what we're going to do

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are we going to have to move back to

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where I'm from um I've had my little boy

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19 years old in college designing me um

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and my own electrical company as a sort

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of opportunity going forward wored that

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um we'd have to move from the area if I

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lost my job yeah it it's devastating for

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the family did you say the people in

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there understand that no not at all they

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from a different elk the majority of

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them workers had been hoping for renewed

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promises from labor to push government

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government into renewed negotiations

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with tataa steel however their hopes

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were scuppered when one Union boss ran

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into Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves who

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had no idea their key debate was about

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to be discussed in Parliament that day

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that there are parts of this which are

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very difficult decarbonizing industry is

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an urgent priority but in some cases the

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technology is uncertain or it is

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expensive but it is my contention that

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getting this right is more important

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than doing it quickly or necessarily at

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the cheapest cost to State the obvious

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we could decarbonize anything by

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shutting it down and the cheapest path

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will likely always involve Outsourcing

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most of our industrial production to

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other places but if we do that and this

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is what the government's plan for Port

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tber is we will spend millions of pounds

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we will see huge job losses and actually

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we will see global emissions rise as we

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effectively offshore our emissions and

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then we claim that is progress and this

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would be be a fundamental political

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mistake with potentially enormous

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ramifications for the future of the

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transition to Ned zero and we should

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know this from our own past like my

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honorable friend just mentioned when I

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was a child growing up in the Northeast

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in the 1980s there was a major

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transition and we saw the end of coal

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mining and ship building and the end of

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the old nationalized Industries as we

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knew them then and many colleagues

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across the UK have similar personal

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experiences some people believe the

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closure is climate change hysteric and

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speculate this is the first of many

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manufacturing losses we'll see on the

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road to Net Zero that actually to keep

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blast furnaces going was inconsistent

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with our Net Zero targets and therefore

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what we were doing was happy to see the

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steel industry closed down moved to

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India and China for still to produced

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under lower environmental standards then

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the product shipped back and I I feel

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Furious well I learned the news today

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that 3,000 jobs are to go in South Wales

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at P to but as the blast furnaces are to

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close is this not strategic Madness for

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a country it might make a good headline

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to suggest that climate hysteria is

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responsible for 3,000 jobs in Port

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talber but the energy minister of Wales

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Ving had a completely different

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interpretation of events reality has had

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to Dawn on a number of the brexit

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promises so the idea that we'll be able

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to make more steal and sell it all

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around the world at a better rate has

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not materialized

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and I don't think anyone who has been

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knowledgeable of the steel sector is

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surprised by that so at the time Donald

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Trump took a very protectionist approach

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put extra tariffs on steel uh to prevent

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Imports coming in uh the Biden

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Administration has been very clear that

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it doesn't want dirty steel produced so

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actually when you think about this the

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steel that is produced in other parts of

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the world you're now going to find

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additional costs on moving some of that

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around and blast furnace Steel in Wales

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has actually got less carbon emissions

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and blastous steel produced in other

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parts of the world so this has actually

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been a really bad deal for steel and

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your finding tariffs on Imports into the

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European union now all those are the

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consequence of brexit and the former

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brexit chosen so anyone who pledged to

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Steel Workers they would have a better

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future outside the European Union needs

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to look those people in the eyes again

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and recognize they weren't telling the

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truth it isn't what's happened and a

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different future is over only going to

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be possible if we reinvest in our steel

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sector and we have a much more grownup

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trading relationship with Europe and the

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wider world the Prime Minister refused

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to take a call from the first Minister

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on Friday on the day that these

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proposals were being made

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public the first Minister wrote on the

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Thursday afternoon the Prime Minister

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confirmed on Monday morning he would not

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be free to take a call now this is an

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enormous event for Wales and the

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UK when Ford closed their fact Factory

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in

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briend the Prime Minister the day

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Theresa May took a call from the first

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minister of Wales recognizing the huge

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significance and the economic importance

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of the choice that was being made I

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think the least that the first minister

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of Wales and the people of Wales does

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there with some courtesy from the prime

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minister of course he went out of his

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way while sat in a seat in Southampton

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football club to attack the Welsh

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government it's not what Steel Workers

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want to hear I don't think it takes

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seriously the real issues with the UK

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Sovereign asset in this type of Steal

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making and it doesn't take seriously the

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reality that there are thousands of

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families who are anxious for their

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future and angry at the indifference of

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the current UK government on Thursday of

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last week when it became clear that the

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company were to make their announcement

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on the Friday I wrote immediately to the

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Prime Minister uh asking for uh a

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telephone call with him on Friday so

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that we could junly discuss how we could

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best respond to the uh emerging pict

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picture uh and by 8:00 Half 8 in the

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morning on Friday I'd had a reply from

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the Prime Minister saying that he

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couldn't find time to meet me uh or talk

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to me that day uh and I I I do think

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that is genuinely shocking uh contrasts

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very much contrast very

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much I I hope you I do hope you're not

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defending that I do hope no I well so

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nobody in outside this room will hear

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members of the conservative party

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shouting at me but let me make sure the

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people do know that they're shouting at

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me to defend the fact that their prime

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minister was unprepared to talk to the

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first minister of Wales on that day and

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that contrasts for me very vividly with

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uh the actions of his predecessor

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Theresa May on the day that Ford

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announced that they were leaving

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Bridgend uh uh my office contacted the

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office of the Prime Minister that day

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and before the end of that day I was in

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a conversation with the prime min

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Minister about what we could do together

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to help people who were affected that's

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what I was looking for from the Prime

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Minister and I am genuinely baffled that

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he did not feel it was a priority for

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him to find the small amount of time he

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would have needed that day to have that

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conversation over the years Wales has

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seen many major companies come and go

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some have stayed but with dramatically

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smaller workforces Hoover Bosch BP and

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LG are just some of the companies that

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used to have a big standing in Wales

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even a few years ago the steel works

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here at Port talber had a dramatically

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larger Workforce of around 20,000 which

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has now been reduced to around just

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under 3,000 here the local area is still

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thriving the economy is still going but

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for how long apparently Hines makes all

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of its beans for the UK up the road do

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you know about this and it uses this

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steel yeah so trust our sister plant lle

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all the skill for that comes from Port

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Albert and and that is then used by H

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and tin in for the food industry so um

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without this obviously a question mark

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over um trra and with electric Arc

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currently with the the technology of

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electric Arc we couldn't Supply trra so

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what say not part of the announcement at

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the moment long-term future for them is

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not looking good with it and that's

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because you need virgin steel to make

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those tin cans right yes you need virgin

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steel of an a quality now if we lose

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that there is a strong possibility we

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will lose the order books for trra the

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technology does move on and I and I get

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that uh so it might be a few years where

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they might be able to use refurbished

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steel but at this present moment we need

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to be feeding tra and maintain the order

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books for you because once we shut down

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our blast

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furnaces companies are not going to be

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wait in for us to spark up and an

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electric Arc furnace they're going to

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move elsewhere where are we going to get

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orders from in 4 years time they're not

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going to hang around and wait for us the

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concern is as well that they'll start

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planning that so if they know that the

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furnaces are going to be shut off they

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start sourcing new steel or they start

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moving their Factory those are the other

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concerns absolutely it could end up

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going to Holland CU they have a plant

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out there now that CES the same way as

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froster does and I think that's why at

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this present moment T are looking to

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bring in slab or coil so we could feed

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truster in this in the short term I was

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there 42

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years um times have

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changed and just when I started work

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first US was 20,000 when I was on well

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was going to be I don't know so things

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are looking Grim how did you take the

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news when you first

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heard well to tell the truth love it's

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been um for the last 10 years theyve

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always W about importing coils from

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abroad done this for 10 years we all

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been threatened with closing the oend

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and the blast and all that uh but now

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it's finally happening it and I know

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it's all this

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electric blast is coming in and all

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right it's good but you know the

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contractors and everything's going any

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so it's been roughly can I ask you I

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mean so the Tories have given half a

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billion pounds to the company and now

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that's going to go towards renewable

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steel rather than the blast furnaces but

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do you think the conservatives can care

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about the town no no way whatsoever

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whatsoever what I mean what would it

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take to change your mind my mind yeah

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but for

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no for the the government say no

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yeah I don't know labor coming in they

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haven't got too many ideas of they so I

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don't know it's just politics and

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politics you don't know what the hell is

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happening you're not hopeful about no no

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they screwed us for the last 13 years 14

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years so they're just over themselves

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that's it full stop it's all for

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themselves they don't give a town of

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placees like this they don't give

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a how do you think that Westminster

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treats Wales in general particular

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terrible terrible it's just the same as

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and they just all the money they go to

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cities big cities the same as the

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councils here they're all the same

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they're all well corrupt full stop

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um so the council is came around here

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they're all corrupt so what could you

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say you just can't trust anyone what

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would it take for someone to convince

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you to give them your

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vote million

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pound it's important to remember that no

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decision has been made on T Steel there

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is still time for the conservative

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government to strike a negotiation

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between the unions and the Indian

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company

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