Fallout Was Not A Critique Of Capitalism
Summary
TLDRThe video script discusses the misinterpretation of the Fallout game series as a critique of capitalism. Tim Cain, the original co-creator of Fallout, clarifies that the games were not inherently anti-capitalist but focused on the inevitability of war due to human nature. The script explores various themes like consumerism, imperialism, and the ease with which people can lose track of their close relatives. It also touches on the different endings in New Vegas and the author's personal anti-war stance, emphasizing that war should be the absolute last resort.
Takeaways
- 🎮 The Fallout game series has been a subject of debate, with some players interpreting it as a critique of capitalism, while others see it as a commentary on war and human nature.
- 🗣️ Tim Cain, the original co-creator of Fallout, clarified that the series was not inherently about critiquing capitalism but rather focused on the inevitability of war due to basic human nature.
- 🏙️ Fallout's setting, featuring a 1950s retro-futuristic aesthetic, was heavily influenced by the nuclear anxiety of the time, which is reflected in the game's themes and design.
- 💥 The series explores the consequences of nuclear war and the struggle for power among different factions, suggesting that war is often a result of conflicts between nation-states.
- 🤔 The script challenges the idea that the games are purely anti-capitalist, pointing out that the narrative also includes criticism of state actions and the abuse of power.
- 👨💼 Tim Cain mentioned that his games often include a mistrust of power, which is evident in the portrayal of ruling elites and their decisions leading to catastrophic outcomes.
- 🌍 The script discusses the broader implications of war, suggesting that it is used by states as a tool to maintain power and control, often at the expense of the general population.
- 🔥 The debate over the interpretation of Fallout's themes highlights the subjective nature of storytelling, where different players can derive different meanings from the same narrative.
- 🗽 The script also touches on current geopolitical issues, suggesting that the themes of war and power dynamics in Fallout are relevant to real-world events and conflicts.
- ✋ The author of the script expresses a personal anti-war stance, advocating for war to be considered only as an absolute last resort and criticizing the motives behind historical and contemporary conflicts.
Q & A
What is the general opinion on Fallout 4's gameplay and RPG elements?
-The gameplay of Fallout 4 was considered quite good, but the RPG elements were criticized as being terrible, despite the game coming from the same company known for the Elder Scrolls series.
What does the phrase 'War never changes' imply in the context of the Fallout series?
-The phrase 'War never changes' suggests that throughout history, the nature of war and its impact on people remains consistent, reflecting the inevitability of conflict due to basic human nature.
What does Tim Kane, the original co-creator of Fallout, clarify about the series' stance on capitalism?
-Tim Kane clarifies that the Fallout series was never inherently about critiquing capitalism. Instead, it focused on how war is inevitable due to human nature and the actions of nation-states.
How does the script describe the setting and themes of the Fallout series?
-The script describes the Fallout series as being set in a post-apocalyptic world influenced by 1950s nuclear frenzy, with themes of war, consumerism, imperialism, and the ease with which people can lose their humanity.
What is the significance of the argument over who dropped the first bomb in the Fallout series?
-The argument over who dropped the first bomb in the Fallout series reflects the complexity of assigning blame in real-world conflicts and the idea that war is often a result of decisions made by nation-states rather than the will of the people.
What does Tim Kane suggest about the commonality of themes in his games?
-Tim Kane suggests that while he does not necessarily focus on critiquing capitalism, a common theme in his games is mistrust of power, as seen in the Fallout series and his work on The Outer Worlds.
How does the script address the different interpretations of the Fallout series by fans?
-The script acknowledges that fans may have different interpretations of the Fallout series, but it also emphasizes the importance of the creator's original intent, as expressed by Tim Kane.
What is the script's stance on war and its relation to the themes of the Fallout series?
-The script takes a strong anti-war stance, arguing that war should be a last resort and is often driven by the desire to protect the power of the ruling elite rather than noble reasons.
How does the script view the role of corporations in war and conflict?
-The script suggests that certain corporations, particularly those in the defense industry, may have a vested interest in war due to the potential for increased sales and profits.
What is the script's perspective on the future of American hegemony and its foreign policy?
-The script predicts a decline in American hegemony within the next 10 to 15 years, criticizing its foreign policy for actions such as arming terrorists and preemptive bombing, which have led to widespread resentment.
Outlines
🎮 Fallout Series: Beyond Capitalism Critique
The paragraph discusses the misconceptions about the Fallout video game series, particularly the belief that it is a critique of capitalism. The original co-creator, Tim Cain, clarifies that the series was not inherently anti-capitalist but rather focused on the inevitability of war due to human nature. He points out that the games do not solely criticize capitalism but also explore themes like consumerism, imperialism, and the ease with which people can lose touch with their relatives. The paragraph also touches on the rich narrative of the series, allowing for various interpretations, and the creator's view that war is a more pressing concern than capitalism.
🌍 Power, States, and the Fallout Universe
This paragraph delves into the theme of mistrust of power within the Fallout games, a sentiment shared by the speaker. It discusses how the games portray the actions of those in power, who are willing to sacrifice the masses to protect their own interests, leading to devastating consequences like nuclear war. The speaker uses this as a critique of real-world politics, suggesting that wars are often fought not for noble reasons but to maintain the power of the ruling elite. The paragraph also touches on the speaker's personal political stance and their interpretation of other works of fiction, like Fight Club, and how they believe the original creators' intentions should be respected but are not always the only valid interpretation.
✋ Anti-War Sentiments in Gaming and Real Life
The final paragraph emphasizes the anti-war message present in the Fallout series and the speaker's personal agreement with it. It argues that war should only be considered as a last resort and criticizes the foreign policy of certain nations, including the United States, for its role in creating global resentment. The speaker predicts the decline of American hegemony and connects it to economic issues faced by the population. The paragraph concludes with a strong anti-war stance, suggesting that wars are rarely just and are often driven by the desire to protect the power of a small percentage of the population.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Fallout
💡Capitalism
💡RPG Elements
💡War
💡Human Nature
💡Nuclear Frenzy
💡Art Deco Punk
💡Globalism
💡New Vegas
💡Anti-Capitalism
💡Mistrust of Power
Highlights
Discussion on the reception of Fallout games on Twitter, particularly the critique of Fallout 4.
Acknowledgment that Fallout 4's gameplay was good, but the RPG elements were lacking.
Misinterpretations of Fallout's themes as a critique of capitalism by some fans.
Tim Cain, original Fallout co-creator, clarifies that the games were not a critique of capitalism.
Fallout's themes are more focused on the inevitability of war due to human nature.
The phrase 'War never changes' is explained to reflect how war affects people, not a critique of capitalism.
Critique of globalism and the idea that cultures should live in harmony, suggesting it's not natural.
Fallout's rich narrative allows for various interpretations, including anti-capitalism, but it's not the central theme.
Tim Cain's comments on the role of nation-states in causing war, not just capitalism.
Fallout's setting and themes are influenced by the 1950s nuclear frenzy and not specifically anti-capitalist.
The original Fallout games depict the US as a dystopia, but it's not unique to capitalism.
China's role in the Fallout universe as a potential first nuclear aggressor in Kane's original vision.
Discussion on the interpretation of Fight Club, suggesting it's about masculinity vs. femininity.
The speaker's personal stance as a capitalist and their view on war as a last resort.
Critique of American foreign policy and its impact on global perception of the US.
Final thoughts on the inevitability of war and the speaker's anti-war sentiment.
Transcripts
we've all had to deal with those people
on Twitter whenever we make any Fallout
references or memes or even just talk
about how much we like the Fallout games
except for four for four was terrible I
mean the game play was actually quite
good the city building still very janky
but you know it kind of worked uh the
RPG elements were terrible though you
know this from the same company that
brought you like Elder Scrolls the RPG
was just terrible but as soon as you
talk how much you like or make memes you
get those usual idiot like pH it's
actually a critique of capitalism by the
way you know like the big the only good
communist is a dead communist robot
that's actually a parody of all of you
guys and nothing like that well here you
have the original Creator original
Fallout co- Creator Tim Kane says
critique of capitalism was never the
point never the point of the games and
if anything they're about how war is
inevitable given basic human nature and
that is an element that is very of
explored you know the famous phrase war
never changes and then a lot of people
don't know a lot of people don't know
about like the last part but it changes
people right like that's that's that's
just the way it is like basically
Mankind we grew up in the tribal ugab
Booga days and everything and we didn't
like anyone that was not part of our
tribe and we are still doing that to
this day and it's ingrained in human
nature except you've got all the
globalist going all the cultures should
just live together in harmony and we'll
all hold hands and sing Kumbaya and
guess what it's not working out
because it's not in our nature but
anyway uh what's Fallout about war nukes
consumerism imperialism how easy is it
to misplace close relatives all of the
above it's a debate that's raged for
ages and no wonder Fallout is a pretty
rich text as video game series go and
there's all sorts of messages you can
read into the likes of fo1 fo12 and New
Vegas New Vegas was the best one I'm
sorry New Vegas was the best Fallout
game that ever get
uh 14 years later you can still click
into any Forum on the internet and find
people arguing about which ending is
best for the Mojave and New Vegas it's
yes man no it's
not no it's
not I take over I I always take over the
strip every game I mean I've done every
ending I've done it I've handed it over
to kaisar I've handed it over to the
[ __ ] new California Republic I've
I've done I've done all of that stuff
but the best ending is is where you take
over the script H but here's what it's
not about or at least what it's not
inherently about anti- capitalism that's
according to Tim Kane one of the series
original co-creators over on his YouTube
channel more specifically Kane spoke
about it in the comments of one of his
recent uploads a video prosaically
titled capitalism in response to a fan
asking about Kane's view on Fallout as a
critique on capitalist corporative greed
I mean it was never really about that
yeah you had all like the 1950s like
adverse everywhere you know come and buy
your sugar bombs and like all this type
of stuff as well and everything was
themed around nukes cuz obviously
Fallout is massively based on like the
nuclear frenzy that was like the 1950s
which is why you know that's what how
it's themed it's like I forget the term
for
it what's it called again is it called
Art Deco Punk or something like that
where everything's sort of like all
better that in find No Art Deco as well
before the 50s actually ignore me but
you know what I mean you know what I'm
talking about
uh Kane's response was unequivocal
critique of capitalism was never the
point of Fallout how can you tell
because the game went out of its way to
mention that other countries like China
were also behaving terribly sounds like
it was a critique of nation
states nation states who decided not to
like each other and make it their entire
population's problem and then the bombs
fell it sounds like lots of people were
dragged into the apocalypse when they
didn't want to be because the states
made that decision for them
at least that's what I'm taking from it
because of course I would that serves my
narrative are you seeing how this works
now H which is true of course in the
original isometric fallouts that Kane
worked worked as a lead on the US was a
horrifying dystopia a chauvinist
capitalist hellscape a shut up PC Gamer
that imposed its will on the world and
shot anyone who disagreed that is just
nation states in general H but it wasn't
Unique fallouts China which never
dropped the smash the old world and for
the new world ideology of the Maad dong
thought era was also plenty violent in
fact in kan's original Vision it was
China who dropped the bomb first huge
huge argument in the Fallout series who
who shot first who dropped the first
bomb like that I know that that's like a
massive argument in the Fallout series H
if anything says C Fallout is a comment
that war is inevitable given basic human
nature and the mode of production
doesn't necessarily have all that that
much to do with it that doesn't mean
Kane disapproves of an anti- capitalist
read mind you I don't think I have any
themes that run in common in all of my
games maybe mistrust of power which I
absolutely would agree because the
overwhelming majority of people who are
now in the Wasteland
probably didn't want the bombs to fall
they probably didn't want that but all
the people that are in power in the
state didn't like all the people in
power in the other state and they went
oh my God we're they're coming for all
of our power our little 1% oh the 1% ooh
they're they're coming for all of our
power drop the bombs and let's [ __ ] over
the other 99% who now have to live in
radiation with [ __ ] death claw and
everything running around for centuries
because I liked the little bit of power
I had so I'm going to kill millions and
billions of people because that's how
States
work that's what it'll do you like you
do you do not understand the [ __ ]
depths that states will sink to whenever
they feel themselves going into death
throws and they feel that their power is
genuinely under threat I mean look at
you UK crine they're dragging
14-year-old boys off the street that are
just nipping down to the shops for a
pint of milk and dragging them straight
to the front like that is the levels
that states will sink to to for the
sorry the ruling Elite at the top of the
states hierarchy will sink to in order
to protect their power [ __ ] your
14-year-old son he gets to go up there
and take a motor shell to the teeth so
that I get to sit in my nice mahogany
office and eat caviar like that's that's
what war is for States it's never been
they'll give you they'll feed you some
[ __ ] [ __ ] reason like this is
about protecting democracy no no it's
not no it's not Afghanistan Iraq all the
others was not about protecting
democracy Iran's next just so you know
Iran is the next one Iran will happen
they have been champing at the bit for
Iran for [ __ ] decades now they've
been desperate for
it isn't it weird how a lot of the
places we go to war with always have a
problem with a certain Other Nation but
anyway that's a discussion for another
time H but people will interpret my
games in all kinds of ways and that's
okay everyone brings their own
perspective and a story can mean
different things to different people
which is absolutely true however when
the when the actual author comes out and
goes no this is what I meant then you
know that's it that that is what he
meant however you know people will
always take their own interpretations as
way like a lot of people I argue with
people all the time over Fight
Club the interpretation of Fight Club I
think it was a man deciding to deciding
between his masculinity and his
femininity I think the narrator had been
diagnosed with testicular cancer he was
the one with the ball cancer because for
one thing that's quite funny is Mara
singer everyone's like oh Tyler DED
wasn't real we all know that one
neither's Mara why does she walk into
traffic and none of the cars hitter do
you ever see any character interacting
with Mara apart from the narrator and
apart from
Tyler and the whole choice at the end is
the narrator basically deciding between
his unhen masculinity or his impending
femininity which is Mara singer the
jaded angry [ __ ] [ __ ] woman and at
the end he realizes he is going to lose
his balls the masculinity isn't going to
save him so in the end he holds he holds
Mala singer's hand as the giant phallic
buildings come crashing down and he
Embraces his femininity at the end
that's my take on it argue about that in
the comments but anyway honestly pinkle
that I am I've always taken an anti-
capitalist read on the original Fallout
games but I'm not too surprised that
Kane wasn't necessarily trying to make
an isometric RPG version of the of the
grundr back in the '90s when I consider
his work like the outer worlds which was
intensely satirical of corporate life
without really making much criticism of
capitalism or private property as a
whole it makes sense that critique of
capital just isn't something that
interests him much which is fine like I
mean no no one can have an opinion on
every single subject and I do think like
as far as things to be bothered about I
think I think War should be higher on
the totem B than capitalism I do
genuinely think that however I I am a
very very staunch capitalist and one
thing that I an olive branch that I will
hand out is the mic now capitalists
especially ones like BAE Systems and
lock heed Martin and stuff like that
they love a good War they love a good
war and one thing that companies always
try and do is drive sales
I don't need to explain further you know
what I mean uh fair enough I suppose
look how disappointed the little Lefty
writer is I mean yeah okay whatever
Kane's still been responsible for some
of my favorite games I love how he's
punishing him oh he wasn't pushing the
message I hoped he was oh well I suppose
I still like him sh H if he doesn't
share my read of them share my read of
them he directly told you that your read
of them is wrong he that's not what I
meant like he told you that is not your
interpretation is incorrect but anyway h
plus if there's one thing the marks
adjacent Among Us doesn't need help with
it's reading anti- capitalism into
literally God
damn okay okay all right then all right
then I take that back I take that back
for the author that wrote this all right
that was that was good I enjoyed that
however yeah game stories can inspire
you for like different things and
everything like that and anti and
anti-war message is something I will
always agree with [ __ ] War unless is an
absolute Last Resort absolute utter Last
Resort right none of this you know
American foreign policy where it's
[ __ ] arm the terrorists and bomb
first and then ask questions later and
stuff like that which is what resulted
in the entire [ __ ] world hating
America to the point where American
hemony is gone in the next like 10 15
years I've said this many many times
American hemony in the next 10 15 years
is gone people can't even afford like
the vast major majority of the American
population can't even afford their
[ __ ] groceries let alone a [ __ ]
house because black Rock's buying all of
them right it's it's yeah American
hemony is going to go but War yeah war
never changes but like it should be as a
last resort and very very anti-war [ __ ]
War it's [ __ ] horrible it's [ __ ]
terrible and it's almost never for Noble
reasons it's usually always just to
protect the power of the current 1% of
whatever Nation you happen to be in
that's that's what all war essentially
is and I I hate it and I'm pissed off
with it never there's never basically in
the last good few hundred years there's
never been like a good reason to
actually go to war
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