Agile Space Podcast: Programming the Agile Mind with Bradley Foster | Ep.1
Summary
TLDRIn this enlightening discussion, agile expert Bradley Foster shares his journey from a Boeing engineer to a principal consultant, emphasizing the importance of agile as a mindset over a set of tools. He discusses the evolution of agile practices, including DevOps and value stream mapping, and the potential of AI to enhance project management. Foster also draws parallels between Hawaiian culture and agile principles, highlighting the need for adaptability and collaboration in both.
Takeaways
- 🌟 Agile is a mindset that goes beyond just using certain tools or having a team structure; it's about a way of thinking and operating that values collaboration, adaptability, and continuous improvement.
- 🔧 The speaker's journey in agile started with software quality assurance and evolved through various roles like business analyst, project manager, and architect, leading to a deep understanding of agile principles and practices.
- 🛠 The importance of value stream mapping in agile is highlighted, emphasizing the need to consider the entire process from beginning to end, not just individual parts.
- 🏢 Agile is not just for software development; it can be applied across various departments and organizations to foster a culture of efficiency and customer focus.
- 🌐 The integration of AI with agile practices is seen as a significant trend that could enhance analytics, automate routine tasks, and provide deeper insights into project management.
- 🤖 Concerns about the authenticity of AI implementations are raised, with a call for due diligence to ensure that companies are delivering real value and not just leveraging the AI buzzword.
- 🌍 The influence of Hawaiian culture on the speaker's agile philosophy is noted, showing how local context can enrich and inform global practices.
- 📈 The potential for AI to transform the roles of scrum masters and agile coaches by handling mundane tasks and allowing them to focus on more strategic and collaborative aspects of their work.
- 🔄 The necessity for agile transformation to come from the top down, with leadership buy-in being crucial for successful implementation across an organization.
- 📝 The discussion touches on the evolution of software development practices, from traditional waterfall methods to more modern approaches like DevOps and DevSecOps.
- 👥 The importance of considering team dynamics and individual personalities when implementing agile, as well as the potential for AI to assist in creating more effective team interactions and retrospectives.
Q & A
What is Bradley Foster's professional background?
-Bradley Foster is a principal consultant and product owner at Worth Agility. He has a background in agile digital transformation and technology strategies, with experience in roles such as business analyst, project manager, software developer, and architect.
How did Bradley Foster get introduced to Agile methodologies?
-Bradley Foster's introduction to Agile methodologies began at the Boeing Company where he started in software quality assurance. He was sent to Carnegie Mellon for the Capability Maturity Model for Processes, which he incorporated into his toolbox, and later got involved with Agile through Scrum, eventually becoming a Scrum Master.
What is the significance of the Capability Maturity Model for Processes in Bradley Foster's career?
-The Capability Maturity Model for Processes was significant in Bradley Foster's career as it provided him with a structured approach to software development processes, which he later integrated into his Agile practice.
Why did Bradley Foster decide to transition from Scrum to a broader view of Agile?
-Bradley Foster decided to transition from Scrum to a broader view of Agile because he realized there was more to Agile than just the team environment. He wanted to explore and implement Agile at an organizational level, focusing on business agility.
What does Bradley Foster think about the Agile mindset?
-Bradley Foster believes that Agile is a mindset that empowers people and encourages collaboration. He emphasizes that Agile is not just about using certain tools or having a team; it's about the values and principles that drive the way organizations operate.
How does Bradley Foster view the role of AI in Agile project management?
-Bradley Foster sees AI as a tool that can enhance Agile project management by automating mundane tasks, allowing Scrum Masters and Agile coaches to focus on deeper levels of understanding and investigation. He suggests that AI can be used for analytics, creating user stories, and even facilitating better retrospectives.
What are Bradley Foster's thoughts on the current trends in Agile?
-Bradley Foster observes trends such as DevOps, value stream mapping, and the integration of AI in Agile practices. He believes these trends are complementary to Agile and can help transform the way Agile is implemented and understood.
How does Bradley Foster approach the cultural aspect of implementing Agile in organizations?
-Bradley Foster approaches the cultural aspect of implementing Agile by considering the unique characteristics of each organization. He emphasizes the importance of understanding and nurturing the organization's culture to successfully integrate Agile practices.
What is Bradley Foster's perspective on the future of Agile with the integration of AI?
-Bradley Foster is excited about the future of Agile with the integration of AI. He sees AI as a tool that can help Agile practitioners by automating repetitive tasks and providing valuable insights through data analysis, thus enhancing the Agile process.
How does Bradley Foster incorporate Hawaiian culture into his Agile practice?
-Bradley Foster incorporates Hawaiian culture into his Agile practice by drawing similarities between the adaptability and collaborative nature of Agile and the traditional Hawaiian culture. He aims to nurture the Hawaiian culture in a way that aligns with Agile principles.
What is Bradley Foster's approach to addressing the challenges of implementing Agile in a traditional environment?
-Bradley Foster's approach to implementing Agile in a traditional environment involves starting with individuals, using Agile terminology cautiously to avoid resistance, and gradually introducing Agile practices to encourage a shift in mindset and empower team members.
Outlines
🌐 Introduction and Agile Transformation
The interview begins with a warm welcome to the guest, Bradley Foster, a principal consultant and product owner at Worth Agility. The conversation quickly delves into Bradley's background in agile digital transformation and technology strategies. He shares his journey from software quality assurance at Boeing to various roles including business analyst, project manager, and architect. Bradley's interest in adding value to processes led him to explore the agile mindset beyond just tools and teams, emphasizing the importance of a collaborative approach and business agility.
🛠 Agile Mindset and Its Evolution
This paragraph explores the evolution of the agile mindset, starting with Bradley's initial exposure to Scrum and his realization of the need to look beyond the tool itself to the underlying principles. The discussion touches on the Agile Manifesto and the importance of interpreting and implementing agile values correctly. Bradley highlights the need for organizations to move away from traditional project management to a more agile approach that empowers individuals and promotes collaboration.
🔍 Trends in Agile and the Impact of AI
The conversation shifts to current trends in agile, including the integration of AI and its potential to transform project management. Bradley discusses the importance of value stream mapping and the need to consider the entire value chain in agile practices. He also addresses the hype around AI tools, emphasizing the need for genuine AI integration rather than just using the term to market non-AI features.
🌟 Agile Leadership and the Role of Scrum Masters
In this section, the focus is on the role of agile leaders, particularly Scrum Masters, and how AI might impact their responsibilities. Bradley talks about the potential for AI to handle routine tasks, allowing Scrum Masters to focus on deeper levels of understanding and investigation. He also discusses the importance of asking the right questions to get the most out of AI tools and the potential for AI to assist in creating user stories and facilitating retrospectives.
🌴 Hawaiian Culture and Agile Implementation
Bradley shares his experiences with implementing agile in the unique cultural context of Hawaii. He discusses the importance of understanding and respecting Hawaiian culture while integrating agile principles. The conversation highlights the need for a nuanced approach to selling and implementing agile in diverse organizational cultures, using Hawaii as an example of the challenges and opportunities in such an endeavor.
🤝 Conclusion and Reflections on Agile
The final paragraph wraps up the interview with a reflection on the insights shared by Bradley. He expresses gratitude for the opportunity to discuss his experiences and thoughts on agile and AI. The conversation concludes with a mutual appreciation for the dialogue and a recognition of the value of continuous learning and adaptation in the field of agile project management.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Agile
💡Digital Transformation
💡Scrum
💡Business Agility
💡DevOps
💡Value Stream Mapping
💡AI (Artificial Intelligence)
💡NLP (Natural Language Processing)
💡Hawaiian Culture
💡Empowerment
💡Collaboration
💡Innovation
Highlights
Introduction of guest Bradley Foster, principal consultant and product owner at Worth Agility.
Bradley's background in agile digital transformation and technology strategies.
Symphony Solutions' direction in the agile world and its accomplishments.
Bradley's journey from software quality assurance to project management and agile methodologies.
The importance of adding value and the role of the Capability Maturity Model in Bradley's early career.
Transition from traditional project management to agile practices and the mindset shift involved.
The concept of business agility and its application across organizations.
Agile as a mindset rather than just a set of tools or team structures.
The prevalence of the misunderstanding of agile principles and the importance of the Agile Manifesto.
Unlocking agility in transformation and the challenges of changing traditional project management mindsets.
The role of leadership in implementing agile methodologies from the top down.
Current trends in agile, including DevOps, DevSecOps, and value stream mapping.
The integration of AI in agile practices and its potential to transform project management.
Concerns about the misuse of the term 'AI' and the importance of delivering real value.
The future duties of Scrum Masters and Agile Coaches with the integration of AI tools.
Bradley's experience with blending Hawaiian culture with agile methodologies.
The importance of organizational culture in the successful implementation of agile.
Final thoughts on the conversation and the value of the insights shared by Bradley Foster.
Transcripts
to everybody good afternoon to everybody
good evening to everybody that's 7 a.m.
in L Ukraine and in hululu it's 6 PM
where our guest is from Hello Bradley
helloha Aloha so uh Bradley Foster is
our today's guest he is principal ja
consultant and product owner at worth
agility and I'm so happy to have you
here today thank you so much for joining
thank you kriana I I so much appreciate
it and um you know we had a little bit
of uh meeting beforehand so um you know
I think we're both uh very enthusiastic
and um you know Symphony Solutions is
definitely um going in the right
direction from all I can tell um but as
you said um you know I've been a
background and agile digital
transformation um and Technology
strategies with companies so um I was
really interested to join this
discussion um especially after looking
at all the accomplishments of uh um uh
Symphony Solutions yeah oh great to hear
thank you so much so you have already
overcome a little bit my question I've
been wondering uh you are in agile um
communities in agile world for so long
how did it come to you that you decided
to go into that way what made yeah no
thank you for asking so I I I'm
realizing that um you know I'm I'm an
engineer by U by education so um you
know I'm always trying to solve problems
um good or bad but uh looking for the
next best um uh solution so um I started
off uh at the Boeing Company where um I
started off in software quality
assurance and inspecting quality into
product um and I don't mind saying that
because theyve they've completely
changed their processes by now but um
you know that was my first introduction
to say oh I'm not really adding value
what can I do to add value um they sent
me to Carnegie melon for the capability
maturity model for processes so oh okay
I'll put this in my toolbox um you know
and went on in in various roles of
business analysts um project manager
software developer um database
development um architect um you know
applying these different ways like like
many of the the great um thinkers in in
the agile space Have you know there's so
many of those individuals but um and I'm
I'm just aspiring to be one at some
point but um yeah so through really
looking at um organizations and how
they're operating and how they could
operate differently um I I got my
project management certification so I I
had that toolbox you know as as framed
as it is but then um I I started
Consulting with an organization that
they were um organizationally agile so
from the from the ground up so um I
didn't have the skills that only read
about it so I started with a scrum
Master ser and then then um got some
practice and then I realized after about
three projects there's still so much
more so I I'm actually taking a step
back along with many others to say
there's scrum you know there's things
that work in in team environments but
there's so much more so you know from
from um several teams in software
development to organizational and then
I'm using that in uh across
organizations um business agility is
what we call it right so um yeah so just
decided to make the transition um and it
just seemed like the the next best step
so um getting into um agile through
scrum but now I'm taking a step back
because I think a lot of people are lost
um in the in the definition of agile
they think because we're using this tool
we're agile or because we have a team
we're agile but as you and I both know
agile is a mindset so it's like oh I
really have to get my head around this
yeah yeah I I do understand your path
just because I when I started that was
me when I started with scrum first
rather than a j first which would be
more logical more far bad way but well
okay it happens to some people when they
start with scrum and then cross back to
Agile and start getting all those values
and changing their mindset uh wi worse
rather than it was supposed to be cool
interesting approach but it fls me so I
do understand what you're talking about
yeah I think it's probably more common
than not and um but you know it's
interesting katrian is that um I gave a
presentation to a um project management
chapter um not too long ago and the
title was um unlocking um agility
basically in transformation so it wasn't
like this is an introduction to Agile
and I did a pre- survey and the majority
of the people said that they oh yeah we
really know what agile
is but they post on the reviews well
well very um successful uh
presentation most of them were going oh
yeah I guess I don't know agile because
you were talking about things that I
didn't even know of and this was a a
lunch and learn so it wasn't a lot of
time but I but based on the response
people were saying oh I'm agile okay
well let's talk agile then yeah and
that's where I was like oh you know I I
love that aha moment when people
Oh you mean I have to give up that
command and control I have to
collaborate I don't just create a plan
in a vacuum yeah yeah and that's all
because agile Manifesto is pretty
limited and agile principles are just 12
of them it's not like 600 pages long
book where you can read and know
everything about agile and become agile
but it's exactly because of different
interpretations and I remember well uh
at least in Ukrainian environment people
usually speaking about project
management they say traditional one and
agile is not traditional one uh but well
yeah comparing waterful and agile but it
has been so long ago uh when people have
been trying to understand and Implement
and uh get all that agile Vision when
when can we start talking about agile as
traditional what do you think yeah no
exactly and and that's what's funny
because um you know and and you know you
and I talked a little bit about kind of
the course of this conversation and and
you know there's there's people doing it
from the ground up I I personally
because I'm passionate about efficiency
and and have have worked environments
early on where oh man this is taking way
too long and we're building quality into
it versus uh or inspecting quality into
it versus building quality so um so you
know where to start um it it really does
come from within it's a mindset and and
and it empowers people so you and I are
thinkers Symphony Solutions are think
outside the box and and it's it's
creating uh it's funny because I'm
actually spending some time um you know
with with uh some podcasts look you know
uh understanding Neuroscience how people
are programmed and knowing that and and
this is a great presentation you know
Symphony probably even uses this but you
know when when people get programmed one
way they think okay you can't teach a
dog uh New Tricks I don't know if you
use that in Ukraine but um but you can
no you totally can especially human you
know oh you you've been doing it this
way but let's let's convince you or show
you the most positive ways of actually
and I I'm showing this but actually
branching out where you're using the
knowledge that you have but you're
building on it with this new way of
thinking you know where you're thinking
of your customer you're thinking of uh
the development you're thinking of the
efficiencies in between you know um
you're you're living the um the the
painful projects that took forever or
that were became dustar and were never
delivered right so it really comes from
here and here where it's not like the
pin mock or safe where oh okay I need to
do this at this point you know I mean
that's all well and good and it applies
to certain organizations there's no
right way or wrong way of doing oh there
is a wrong way of doing agile anything
that's the scope of a mindset but yeah
does that kind of get you you know what
do you think about that uh well uh I
would actually agree with you it's
always interesting to uh communicate
about that matter with more experienced
one just because when I'm asking this I
feel that I'm way too behind the persons
I'm talking to and it's always
interesting to observe your vision so
that's why thank you so much for sharing
it and thank you so much for um making
me richer in understanding of edel so
thanks a lot AB absolutely and I mean
just to just to use my experience you
know coming so in Hawaii we say Hawaii
but um everything continental United
States is a Mainland so um coming to
Hawaii um Hawaii tends to do things um
more conservatively and more traditional
waterfall and that gets back to the
conversation I had last week where oh
that there's still a lot of room for
growth here um but getting people's head
around you know where do you start you
know you can start with an individual
and then not even use the terminology to
create you know an an agile motivation
you know but but more importantly um I
the most successful um implementations
are going to come from the top down and
there's there's great thought leaders
out there that have the experience that
are branching out and just you know um
kind of prophesizing about not not like
a uh a big big five uh Consulting
organization but some of the individuals
that are tried and true saying you know
what as as a um business leader as a
technology leader this is really where
you need to start we need to get our
heads around it so we can um set set the
the uh the goals the the scope the the
intentions the value for for the entire
organization yeah cool so uh coming back
to our preliminary agenda uh so you have
already shared about some trends that
you observe in agile nowadays um could
you summarize a little bit more what are
the ones absolutely and and thank you
for asking because again coming from
traditional um project management for
example and if you're strictly
developing software let's just look at
it from that um perspective um you know
I I've worked several programs where um
information you know it was infos now
it's devops and now it's Dev SEC Ops
right so um with that being said those
are just you know extended parts of the
family and and given my background in
business intelligence I'll Segway
slightly but um in business intelligence
you're always reaching out to the
customer you're understanding you know
what the needs are and you're bringing
that back to the team or integrating the
team but the team is you know is the
entire you know it let's let's say so um
you know uh my my first exposure to you
know um infosec was you know a large
company where um they basically came to
the table but they said well you guys
develop your software and give it to us
and we'll we'll um we'll critique it for
you and I go no no no no we're going to
do this agile and we're very
collaborative so we want you on up front
so you can tell us but it's but it was
interesting because it was a analogy of
who Moved My Cheese because oh no no no
we just wait so it was kind of like what
I was introduced to telling you earlier
where I was inspecting quality in um we
would give them software and I and I
said no no I i' I've lived this I've
watched this movie before and it's not a
good
so um please work with us up front even
if we're working incrementally to
understand what your requirements are
going to be as part of that devic op
steam so so yeah so expanding that um
beyond that and then again you know
really big right now is the value stream
mapping you know what does that entire
value stream look like we're not just
looking at a product in a in a in a
bubble or in a a silo you know we're
looking at you know that the whole value
stream from you know what the customer's
looking for or what we're looking to
Market so agile is just you know it
really is once you you know once you've
drank the Kool-Aid and maybe that's an
old term but and not a very good one at
that but um um once once you become
passionate about the possibilities you
know you can work with HR and marketing
and and the various other organizations
to say Hey you know you you've got your
own internal teams you know so we'll
touch upon that you know kind of
throughout here I bet you know on our
conversation
if uh if to speak about devops I do I do
really like how it is complementary to
Agile when with all their principles
like uh people over process over
Tools in agile Manifesto we have a
little bit different connotation on this
one but here it sounds even more
advances for me so that's why I do
understand what you're talking about
regarding uh DC Ops uh but speaking
about value stram
mapping uh hasn't it always been with
agile being followed like on the same
path isn't that supposed to be so well
you know what and it's funny I'm glad
you ended with it supposed to be because
it's like hey you know when you say
reasonable sense or common sense you
know I think uh Mark Twain said there's
no such thing as common sense there's
reasonable sense so yeah you and I think
um is isn't that always part of it but
if you're a develop Vel oper I've met
any number of developers that just say
give me the requirements or you know
what I know what they want so I'm going
to code it here give this to them you
know so yeah value stream is something
that um you know it's it's not new um
it's not new at all but it's not uh
conceptualized necessarily across the
whole team so if you as an agile leader
coach scrum Master uh business analyst
product owner um you know in whatever
role you're playing you know you're
you're being inclusive to the team to
say look let's let's you know because
right we're all playing on the same
field we want to know what the opponent
looks like we want to know how we work
as a team and this is this is what we're
doing as a team right so um yeah value
stream yeah you would think it would it
was always part of the organization's um
intention but um I'm not sure that it's
always um completely looked at from from
uh Soup To Nuts from beginning to end
right
M okay so as far as I understand um we
may assume that Dev corops Valu stream
mapping uh all those values combined
with agile will continue transforming
agile and what might it look like in the
future with all these current trends
going on yeah and and and you know you
see current trends um with with me um
I've I've been um pretty uh diligent
about AI you know I mean I haven't done
any true engineering forever so it's
maybe taking a little while for my brain
to adapt but um but AI is is really um
going going to change things for the for
the better assuming you know the
intentions are good obviously there's
there's uh um things that could go wrong
and and then there's there's ways of
underutilizing it um I've been in conf U
events where um the speaker is talking
about look you can create a project
Charter look you can create a statement
of work and I'm
going yeah that's that's fine but you
could do that with a template you know
from Google or from your um company's
you know um standard practices right so
um the thing is you you dump That Into
You Know You digitize all that and then
all of a sudden you're doing you know as
an individual you know in various forms
you're you're doing analytics on you
know on those templates for example or
on that information that you're
providing so um I've created and and
I'll share it with you afterwards um but
um I created a um kind of an infographic
for how agile project managers can use
um AI because I was a little bit
frustrated with an event where um the
person was just talking about doing this
but the first thing I'm thinking is
those are all just templates you're
you're completely underutilizing right
you know you can create user stories you
know assuming that you know you you've
you've prompted it correctly and I and I
don't want to get into all that I'm not
sure how far you've come but those are
things that you know maybe symphony is
going to be looking at or or does
already you know saying this is our tool
suite and ai's part of it you know
whether it's um the the the machine
learning or the generative AI or the um
the the natural language processing but
so many aspects and it's exciting you
know I mean I feel like a kid again
where um it's really inspiring me um
know between agile um between agile Ai
and and what is my last it seems like
I've got another thing but you know
pretty much that's my go-to um you know
kind of just saying how well they work
together agile and AI yeah yeah and uh
actually speaking I feel really with the
lots of anticipation of what might come
with us using a AI tools on our everyday
work like I can understand that we May
delegate some trivial tasks to that one
uh but what then we will focus on what
would be deeper uh level of some
understanding and of some kind of
Investigations of our piece of work as
crme Masters as as agile coaches uh so I
would uh happily delegate a AI
preparation of some reports or some on
uh but instead of that time what uh
might be the your duties for uh scrum
Masters for agile coaches when all the
trivial tasks might be partially or
fully done by AI
tools um you know as far as scrum
Masters go you know it's it's funny um
because you know I'm I'm speaking to
another group on uh business analysts
and I've done the same thing for them to
create an infographic to say you know
how you know how their job will change
via AI if you utilize it so you know
from from the beginning you know you um
you know uh you can again for for me
it's about an analytics so you know you
you you can strike um Baseline data you
know based on U you know information
that maybe you would have had to done
before and that's not to say that uh the
the tools uh in the bi space you know as
they were calling it Tableau and click
and some of the other um visualization
tools that they weren't doing it before
but how many project managers or scrum
were doing that I mean I was like one a
few that I knew of that was you know I
you know okay this is my data set so I'm
going to set up these queries but
through AI you know I mean it's it's
it's much quicker than I'm going to do
it and um you know given the you
appropriate prompts you know you can you
can use it to uh anticipate you know
through NLP you can anticipate you can
give it parameters for personas of your
team uh kathana is is this this and this
Brad is this this and this how how to
accomplish the best retrospective for
example um you know okay uh uh you know
we've got uh uh Pavel you know
introduced as a developer um and he's
been very difficult so how can we get
him to engage in um the Sprint planning
you know to be a little bit more vocal
so so again there's any there's so many
slices I'm just kind of looking through
my notes but um yeah that you know again
there's there's just so many ways and
again you you want to look at um ways to
things that were kind of mundane um I
I've shared the role of a product owner
and a scrum master and some engagements
um so I'm you know scratching my head to
create um user stories or you know kind
of the vision but most recently um a
contract I'm on um where I'm acting in
the same role um I'm using AI to help
create you know um uh user stories and
and again it'll it's there's a lot of
repetition in the data so so it's only
as valuable as the question that you're
asking it it'll tell you what you want
to hear but is it telling you what you
need to hear right yeah right right and
uh speaking on AI tools there are lots
of them nowadays but uh what concerns me
most is uh for some of the tools there
is no AI in it even though they say or
name it whatever do AI uh there is no AI
component in it uh what kind of concerns
have you got about
Ai and
agile well you know and it's funny
because you and I have experienced that
and I'm sure Symphony has as well where
um a company will say Hey you know we
want to implement agile we're we're
almost there but um let's do it you know
and then you come aboard and you're
using we'll just say jira for example
yeah okay how are you using jira well
you know we we use it to you know plug
in you know whatever but we've we've
programmed in these Gates and whatnot
well you're kind of dismissing the value
of agile when you're empowering people
encouraging people to make decisions and
and um you know um explore so um yeah so
so it kind it's it's kind of the same
question the way I'm thinking about it
is um you know people were are saying
one thing oh it's
AI but are are they selling are they
selling a name or they selling value and
and that's again you know um some of the
of the drawbacks I see with agile is
that it's it's been oversold in some
areas by name but U but undersold in in
the value and um depending on I'm I'm
spending so much time online and if
there were you know it's it's funny you
know I value free speech so it's
interesting to see oh these people are
going their naysayers saying you know is
agile dead you know um why do why do
standups why do this why do that well if
you're if you're you know implementing
continuous learning and some of those
other aspects that help you um come
closer as a team and collaborate as a
team you you want to do some of these
but but again I think uh a lot of it
gets lost and and I'm sorry to get too
far off track here but I think a lot of
it gets lost in you know this is agile
well no no agile is is more about the
values and principles if you're just
doing these things and then the mindset
a company that's um marketing Ai and not
TR
delivering AI you know maybe it's a
spell checker because um to tell you the
truth I was on a call this morning um
and um sometimes there's a language
barrier but this wasn't in so much um
the platform was in um East uh maybe
Denmark and
um the first question I asked because
they were talking about chatbots I was
telling them I was asking them about
their their data and whatnot they said
oh oh chat bot's only you know a small
aspect of our entire platform so so even
how they were messaging their platform
versus what they were doing with it I've
got to go back and do some reading going
well so are you actually using AI or are
you just using chat Bots which you know
can be learning models but um it it it
there there's a lot of uh smok and
mirrors and um a lot of due diligence
right to be done to to really understand
um you know how people are uh branding
or using AI you know and selling AI yeah
yeah um finishing with the ey thank you
so much for sharing your experience I
think uh we need to move on to the last
question for now H it's been so
interesting to talk to you and I even
can't understand how time goes that fast
yeah our conversation uh I am enjoying
reading your post on LinkedIn and I see
how much uh you are uh engaging Hawaii
culture and haai
traditions and mixing them all with your
experience with your observations and uh
for example those uh series of posts
about three pillars of change
empowerment collaboration and Innovation
including Hawaii context has been
impressing for me it's just so amazing
and I would recommend everybody to read
it uh So speaking on uh
Hawaii um
as a context as the environment you
working in uh how much it helps you how
much enriches you as a agile
expert uh you you mean
um there there's a lot of there's a lot
of ground to still cover in Hawaii and
that's really why I've I've kind of
created that pivot um uh uh and and
thank you for pointing that out um I'm
glad it's not going for not but um yeah
I'm hoping again I'm considered howly so
I'm not native Hawaiian but uh they call
it a brown heart so I have a deep
appreciation for the Hawaiian culture
which is so unique um I I geographically
I'm still a little bit lost with Ukraine
as far as you know the the the most
remot remote places but um Hawaii's got
a very unique um culture um and and it
needs to be nurtured into the kind of
the agile way of thinking and that so
I'm trying to draw the similarities
between um how agile is very much
adaptable to what Hawaii
culture once was and and is and can be
without being too intrusive or being too
presumptive of um you know U using agile
it's it's kind of a different angle um
as I mentioned um there's a lot of
there's a lot of room for growth so I'm
I'm going to learn something um I think
probably next month I'll be presenting
this to another project management group
but it'll be interesting because I'll be
making myself very vulnerable to say
this is how I understand Hawaii culture
this is how I'm uh seeing it what I know
of agile you know please you know feel
free to uh you know release the dogs and
tell me you know I don't know what I'm
talking about but I'm doing the best
because it's such it's such a rich
culture and and and again you can use
the Hawaiian culture as an
organizational culture every
organization is different and that truly
is an honest statement as you know you
know um Educational Systems say we're
unique but well if you're an education
system you're there's slight degrees of
of U difference but you're primarily in
this space but when we look at
organizations and that that's what makes
us um either successful in our um
selling or or implementation of agile is
is considering all of those factors the
the culture the the the motives the the
the outcom of an organization so again
going back to actually I just kind of
that's an aha moment for me looking at
Hawaii as an organization that's very
diverse you know so it's going to take
um a certain finesse and technique to be
able to sell it that way um but yeah no
thank you for noticing that cool yeah
thank you so much H so I think uh we may
finish here so thank you so much for
coming at Ola Hawaii uh and uh thank you
for this experience and joining us as a
guest thanks a lot absolutely and I'm
happy to join anytime um you're you're
so pleasant to talk to and and I love
what symphony is doing and um again
thank you for having me thanks a
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