ThinkRider X5-Neo Smart Cycle Trainer: Details // Ride Review

Summary

В этом видео обзоре рассматривается первый из четырех моделей стационарных велотренажеров, прошедших тестирование в Llama Lab. Автор детально рассматривает процесс разборки, сборки, настройки и тестирования тренажеров, используя собственный протокол, включающий различные типы нагрузок и сценариев использования. Основное внимание уделяется тренажеру X5 Neo от компании ThinkRider, включая его технические характеристики, конструкцию, опыт вождения и результаты тестов на точность мощности. Автор выявляет преимущества и недостатки, включая тихую работу, хороший ощущение вождения и проблемы с точность мощности, отсутствие данных о кадранге и некорректное поведение при спринтах.

Takeaways

• 🚴‍♂️ Скрипт охватывает первый из четырех видеообзоров стационарных велотренировочных устройств, прошедших тестирование в Llama Lab.
• 🔍 Процесс включает распаковку, сборку, настройку, обновление и тестирование тренажеров с использованием собственного тестового протокола Llama Lab.
• 📏 Технические характеристики тренажера ThinkRider X5 Neo включают прямое приводное взаимодействие, совместимость с быстрой замкой 130 и 135 мм, поддержку нативного осевой упора и беспроводные протоколы ANT+.
• 💡 Отсутствие измерения каденса и FTMS, а также сверхгрупооткатая система вентиляции, которая активируется при высокой нагрузке.
• 💰 Цены на тренажеры могут варьироваться в зависимости от дистрибьютора и объема закупок, что делает их ценовой диапазон от среднего до высокого по сравнению с другими аналогами на рынке.
• 🛠️ Ассемблирование тренажера описано как простое и без проблем, хотя есть замечания о некоторой нехватке прозрачности и уровней для стойки.
• 🔊 Внутри тренажера есть шумные вентиляторы, которые включаются при высоких оборотах, что может быть заметно.
• 🏁 В испытаниях Llama Lab показала хорошую работу тренажера в режиме SIM и ERG, с отличными изменениями уклонов и устойчивым сопротивлением при спринтах.
• 📊 Анализ точности мощности показал некоторую неточность, особенно при спринтах, где мощность могла быть как недостаточной, так и избыточной.
• 🔄 Отсутствие функции калибровки в игре Zwift, требующая использования приложения тренажера для калибровки.
• 💡 Основные недостатки тренажера включают не точную мощность, отсутствие данных о каденсе, необходимость использования внешнего сенсора каденса и непрерывно работающие светодиоды без режима ожидания.

Q & A

Что означает аббревиатура 'LLAMA' в контексте видео?

В данном контексте 'LLAMA' не является аббревиатурой, а скорее название лаборатории, которая проводит тесты и анализы на интеллектуальные тренажеры для велосипедистов.

Какой процесс тестирования проходит каждый тренажер в видео?

Каждый тренажер проходит процесс распаковки, сборки, настройки, обновления и тестирования с использованием собственного тестового протокола LLAMA Lab, который проверяет точность и реакцию тренажера на различные типы сценариев использования.

Какой китайский производитель тренажеров является предметом обзора в видео?

В видео рассматривается продукт компании 'Think Rider', которая производит тренажеры и аксессуары для велосипедистов.

Какой модель тренажера Think Rider рассматривается в видео?

В видео рассматривается модель тренажера 'X5 Neo' от компании Think Rider.

Каковы технические характеристики 'X5 Neo' по поводу совместимости?

Тренажер 'X5 Neo' имеет совместимость с_quick release 130 и 135, поддержку нативного through axle, и поддерживает протоколы ANT+ для передачи данных о силе и скорости, но не имеет измерения кадра.

Какой диапазон мощности宣称 'X5 Neo'?

Тренажер 'X5 Neo'宣称能够 обеспечивать мощность от нуля до 2000 ватт с точностью +/- 2%.

Каковы некоторые недостатки 'X5 Neo', которые были выявлены в видео?

Некоторые недостатки 'X5 Neo' включают нехватку точности мощности в режиме усталости и при спринтах, отсутствие данных о кадре, необходимость калибровки через приложение, отсутствие уровня для ножек и отсутствие режима сна для подсветки.

Какие функции теста 'Llama Lab' не прошли 'X5 Neo'?

Функции теста 'Llama Lab', которые 'X5 Neo' не смог пройти, включают точную реакцию на мощность при спринтах и точную работу с частотой вращения волока в различных тестах.

Какие преимущества 'X5 Neo' были отмечены в видео?

Преимущества 'X5 Neo' включают тихую работу, хороший ощущение вождения, быстрые изменения градиента в режиме симуляции, и хорошую устойчивость мощности в режиме эргометра.

Какие цены на тренажер 'X5 Neo' упоминаются в видео?

Цены на 'X5 Neo' в видео варьируются от 500 долларов США, от 460 до 599 евро, от 387 фунтов стерлингов и в Австралии от 686 до 1100 австралийских долларов.

Что предполагает процедура калибровки тренажера 'X5 Neo'?

Процедура калибровки тренажера 'X5 Neo' предполагает использование их приложения, и рекомендуется выполнять калибровку каждые 30 часов работы тренажера.

Outlines

00:00

🚴‍♂️ Тестирование тренажеров от ThinkRider X5 Neo

В видео ревью автор освещает первый из четырех тренажеров, прошедших тесты в Llama Lab. Процесс включает распаковку, сборку, настройку, обновление и тестирование тренажеров с использованием собственного протокола Llama Lab. Тестируются различные режимы работы, такие как симуляция, эрго-режим, постоянная скорость, разгоны и тесты наклонов. Для сравнения используются доверенные источники мощности на велосипеде. Обсуждается первый тренажер от китайской компании ThinkRider, конкретно модель X5 Neo, с техническими характеристиками, такими как прямой привод, совместимость с различными осями, поддержкой протоколов ANT+ и Bluetooth Smart, но без измерения каденса. Автор также затрагивает уровень шума, мощность, точность мощности, максимальные углы наклона и стоимость, которая может варьироваться в зависимости от региона.

05:00

📊 Анализ точности мощности тренажера X5 Neo

Второй параграф сосредоточен на анализе точности мощности тренажера X5 Neo с использованием DC Raindrop Analyzer Tool для сравнения данных с другими источниками мощности. В ходе тестов на постоянную работу, разгоны и другие упражнения, тренажер показал некоторые отклонения в мощности, особенно при максимальных нагрузках, где не удалось достичь установленной мощности. Также обсуждается поведение тренажера при изменении скорости вала, где при высокой скорости мощность была несколько ниже, чем на踏板ах. Автор заметил, что тренажер иногда некорректно показывает мощность во время активных наклонов, что может привести к неточности в симуляциях.

10:01

🔧 Про и против тренажера ThinkRider X5 Neo

В заключительном параграфе автор резюмирует свои впечатления о тренажере, выявляя его преимущества и недостатки. Среди преимуществ - тихая работа, хороший ощущение вождения, быстрое реагирование на изменения угла наклона в симуляциях и стабильность в эрго-режиме. Недостатками являются неполная точность мощности, отсутствие калибровки в игре, проблемы с измерением мощности при разгонах, отсутствие данных о каденсе и отсутствие уровня для стоянки. Автор также затрагивает вопросы дизайна, таких как отсутствие уровня для подножки и непрерывное свечение огней. В заключение рекомендует покупать тренажер у местного дилера с гарантией и поддержкой.

Keywords

💡велотренажер

Велотренажер - это устройство, используемое для тренировки на велосипеде без необходимости выходить на улицу. В контексте видео, это ключевой предмет, который проходит серию тестов для оценки его эффективности и точности. В видео речь идет о проверке тренажеров от компании ThinkRider.

💡Llama Lab

Llama Lab - это, вероятно, название лаборатории или бренд, который проводит тесты на тренажеры. В видео это место или методология, используемая для проведения комплексного теста тренажеров, включая различные сценарии использования.

💡тест прочности

Тест прочности - это метод проверки максимальной выносливости или мощности устройства. В видео это описывает один из этапов испытания тренажеров, когда проверяется их способность работать на предельной нагрузке.

💡эрг-режим

Эрг-режим (от англ. 'erg mode') - это режим работы тренажера, при котором тренажер устанавливает фиксированный уровни мощности, которые должен поддерживать велосипедист. В видео это один из типовых сценариев использования, который проверяется для оценки точности и стабильности тренажера.

💡SIM-режим

SIM-режим (от англ. 'sim mode') - это режим, при котором тренажер имитирует реальные условия велосипедного движения, включая уклоны и скольжения. В видео это используется для проверки реакции тренажера на изменения в уклонах во время тренировки.

💡мощность

Мощность - это мера, показывающая, сколько энергии тратится на работу тренажера или велосипедиста. В видео мощность используется для измерения производительности тренажера и сравнения с другими источниками мощности.

💡точность мощности

Точность мощности - это способность тренажера точно измерять и показывать мощность, которую вырабатывает велосипедист. В видео это один из основных параметров, которые проверяются при тестировании тренажеров.

💡уровень наклона

Уровень наклона - это угол, на который наклонена поверхность тренажера,允许自行车模拟上坡或下坡骑行。В видео это используется для проверки, как тренажер реагирует на изменение угла наклона во время тренировки.

💡беспроводная протоколы

Беспроводная протоколы - это стандарты связи, позволяющие устройству взаимодействовать с другими устройствами без кабелей. В видео это относится к способности тренажера подключаться к другим устройствам, таким как компьютеры или смартфоны, для передачи данных о тренировке.

💡Bluetooth Smart

Bluetooth Smart - это протокол беспроводной передачи данных, который используется для подключения тренажера к другим устройствам. В видео это один из протоколов, поддерживаемый тренажером для взаимодействия с другими устройствами.

💡FMS

FMS (от англ. 'Firmware Management System') - это система управления прошивкой устройств. В видео это упоминается в контексте возможности обновления прошивки тренажера для улучшения его функциональности.

Highlights

The video covers a comprehensive test of indoor cycling trainers, including unboxing, building, configuration, updating, and testing using the Llama Lab test protocol.

The first trainer reviewed is the ThinkRider X5 Neo, a smart trainer from a Chinese company with global distribution.

The X5 Neo is a direct drive interactive smart trainer with compatibility for quick release 130 and 135, and native through axle support.

The trainer supports wireless protocols AT Plus Power and Speed but lacks cadence measurement.

Power accuracy is claimed to be within plus or minus two percent, and calibration can be done via the ThinkRider app.

The X5 Neo has a maximum gradient of 15% and a flywheel size of 5.1 kilos, offering a quiet operation.

The price of the X5 Neo varies significantly across different regions, placing it in a mid to high range bracket compared to other trainers.

The physical construction of the X5 Neo is straightforward, but it has some issues with clearance and lacks leveling options for the feet.

The trainer's internal cooling fans can be noisy at high RPMs, which is a minor drawback.

The X5 Neo performed well in sim mode with responsive gradient changes and smooth erg mode setpoint holding.

Power changes in erg mode were prompt and stable, and the trainer did not spin out the flywheel during sprint tests.

The DC Rainier Analyzer tool was used to compare the X5 Neo's power accuracy with other trusted power meters.

The X5 Neo reported slightly lower power readings compared to the power meters on the bike during steady state tests.

The trainer struggled with sprint accuracy, either missing or overshooting the power targets.

The flywheel speed test revealed that the X5 Neo read lower than the actual power output during high-speed spinning.

In the slow ramp test, the X5 Neo was slower to respond and over-read the power, potentially affecting performance in esports racing.

The X5 Neo's physical ride experience was praised, but its power accuracy and lack of cadence data were noted as cons.

The video concludes with a summary of the X5 Neo's performance, highlighting its quiet operation and good ride feel, but also its power accuracy issues.

Transcripts

in this video i cover the first of four

indoor cycling trainers put through the

llama lab last week now for each indoor

trainer this process involves the

unboxing the building the configuration

the updating and test writing these

trainers using my own llama lab test

protocol that puts the trainer or power

meter through its paces under a number

of typical use case scenarios those

being sim mode erg mode steady state

riding over and unders sprints and ramp

tests

all of these tests are typically done

with two other trusted sources of power

on the bike to see how accurate the

trainer is and how it responds to all of

those scenarios the first cab off the

rank is from think rider think right at

a chinese company who produce indoor

cycling trainers and accessories they do

have a global distribution you may or

may not have heard of them but today

obviously we're going to go through one

of their products that isn't quite their

flagship product it's the x5 neo which

is one or two down the list depending on

how you classify their offerings okay

let's get straight to the technical

details or technical specifications of

this smart trainer before we jump on the

bike and have a look it is a direct

drive interactive smart trainer

compatibility is quick release 130 and

135 those adapters are supplied also has

support for native through axle although

those adapters may or may not be

included depending on where you

purchased the unit from the freehub as

we've come to expect shimano or sram

hyperglide compatible no cassette is

supplied with that other free hub

options are available it does have a

pivoting rear axle meaning it is

compatible with things like the elite

riser and the wahoo kicker climb the

wireless protocols are at plus power and

speed and also at plus fec but you get

no cadence with any of those there's no

cadence measurement with this trainer

it's also bluetooth smart compatible but

it is not ftms at this point in time

power between zero and 2000 watts power

accuracy claims plus or minus two

percent calibration spin down via their

app however it doesn't appear to have a

little icon for calibration in zwift max

gradient 15 flywheel size is 5.1 kilos

i've seen it listed as six kilos

elsewhere that's really neither here nor

there because the ride feel of a train

depends on the gearing and the belt and

the uh the big drive wheel size as well

and obviously the gear that you select

on your bike however it does have quite

a beefy flywheel noise level is quiet

which is what we've come to expect from

direct drive trainers these days the

power source is mains power it's

firmware upgradable and i also state it

has an eight degree tilt both ways i

didn't quite feel that but it is on the

spec sheet so i will include it there

now price wise it's kind of interesting

coming out of china these trainers don't

really have a set price that that's the

price it really depends on what the

local distributor wants to charge and i

guess the volumes that they buy in the

prices that i have seen for this trainer

has been u.s 500

euro between 460 and 599. 387 pounds or

in australia it gets really weird

between 686 dollars australian and up to

1100 australian so i give this a price

bracket of mid to high range compared to

other trainer offerings on the market as

for the construction of this trainer out

of the box think writer themselves have

this all covered over on their youtube i

found it straightforward and had no

issues a few notes from me though on the

physical side of things the non-drive

side does have issues with clearance of

through axle levers you'll need to have

a through axle that screws in with an

allen key there's no leveling options

for the feet so if your floor isn't

quite level you'll need to get creative

yourself it has lights that just do not

quit those things are always on and the

x5 neo has some very noisy internal

cooling vans that will kick in at high

rpms when things get very very hot these

didn't start up very often but when they

did you could definitely hear them

now onto the ride experience and the

llama lab test now this trainer was

received back in november 2021 which was

five months ago and i've been waiting

for a new firmware update to come out

which was promised to have cadence and

maybe squeeze a little bit more out of

that maximum resistance of 15 i think it

was going to push it to 20. i haven't

seen that firmware it wasn't available

when i did these tests it's been five

months so i just rolled with what i had

the adopted benchmark for simo testing

is of course titan's grove with its

rolling heels i found the gradients to

be responsive using bluetooth kicking in

and out as i was seeing on the screen

this was quite well handled by the x5

neo in erg mode it held the setpoint

watts very very well nice and smooth as

you can see here in 200 watts and also

at 250

over and under also no problems for the

x5 neo the power changes were prompts

and stabilized very very quickly

the sprinting resistance was also

excellent i was unable to spin out the

flywheel

so the limiter there was of course my

legs not the trainer

so the physical ride experience with the

x5 neo was pretty good to be honest

those thing gradient changes were nice

and fast it packed a punch up those

steeper gradients erg mode nice and

smooth held that set point beautifully

and also changed set point nice and fast

and i couldn't spin it out in a sprint

but that's only most of the picture

let's look at the other half the power

accuracy reported from this trainer and

for that it's over here to my favorite

website on the internet the dcr analyzer

tool where we can compare multiple data

recordings as an overlay and see how

they stack up unlike this chair which

keeps stacking down okay so we have the

x5 neo up against the powdermax ngco and

the asiyoma duos those last two on the

bike being a pretty well trusted source

of the truth of power accuracy

standard llama lab test here

warm up for 10 minutes then a spin down

performed on the trainer and also a zero

offset performed on both power meters

jumping into the 200 watt steady state

here for 10 minutes we have the think

rider reporting set point wattage so it

has erg mode smoothing on there which

will report 200 watts regardless of

really what i'm doing plus or minus a

little bit so the average from the x5

neo 199 powdermax in g co 206 and the

astromedia 205. so the thinkwriter x5 at

200 reporting just a little bit lower

than the other two meters on the bike

into the 250 watt steady state for 10

minutes and a similar story there with

the numbers

249.59 from the think rider neo x5

holding a nice set point there with its

fake watts

the power meters on the bike 256 and 250

4.3 so very very close there on the

bikes but they think about it being a

little bit lower i'd take a guess that

think rider aren't factoring in any

drivetrain losses whatsoever with their

power calculations which we know some

other training companies do

on to the sprint

and this particular sprint

well didn't quite get there with the x5

neo the other two meters on the bike

looking pretty good for what is a

maximal sprint test and the x5 neo

not even cracking the thousand watts for

two data points there so not quite

getting it right for the sprints

hmm on the overs and numbers as i said

nice and prompt for the over and under

changes

of uh

resistance we can see that it's very

squared off from the thinkwriter neo in

purple that's because it's reporting the

set point which is always going to be

almost perfect but the other two meters

on the bike they'd play along and show

that the experience was quite good as

i've reported 259 263 262 again i think

radio being a little bit under

but no big overs and unders no massive

lag in changing from low to high or high

to low that's all looking pretty good

just the power side of things just a

little bit off though i am being very

very nitpicky it's only a few watts

there now to the flywheel speed test of

the llama lab test this is always an

interesting little experiment to perform

on trainers now what this does is i set

the trainer to 225 watts in erg mode so

steady state for four and a half minutes

and every 90 seconds i change the

flywheel speed starting off with a very

very slow flywheel speed so small ring

at the front big cog on the back 90

seconds i changed that up and then the

last test i changed up to 53 11 or 53 12

on the back and really spin things up

and most trainers failed that last 90

seconds as we can see right here this

doesn't do too bad but not quite close

as we expect starting off with the

slower flywheel speed they're all

looking pretty good holding nice steady

state holding nice power i put it up

into a higher flywheel speed things

start separating just a little bit still

holding quite well and then where most

things fall apart which is the last 90

seconds where i really spin that

flywheel up in the 5311 and as i get on

top of the gear here and things start

stabilizing look it stabilizes quite

well but it does read a little low for

the power that i'm actually doing on the

bike so the set point reporting there

224 or 225 plus or minus again but what

i'm actually doing on the pedals there

247 259 you can see that it's around 250

watts plus on the pedals so not quite

passing the llama lab test for that

little section there but

not many trainers do and then right at

the end as i go back into sim mode from

erg mode and the resistance clamps on to

the trainer and the flywheel's still

going quite high you can see the power

artificially go through the roof

so a bit of a quirk there with the

flywheel speed and the power reporting

from the x5

the final section of this llama lab test

was a slow ramp test and a slow hill jam

i'll call it so just riding along just

riding along under 100 watts things look

okay i slowly ramp up the x5 is a little

slower to respond

start to play ball with the two other

meters through here to 400 then

overreads it then under reads and then

overreads so well it's got all bases

covered i guess but

not that impressive through here pushing

600 plus

through this little ramp test here so if

you were racing on zwift or any other

esports racing platform you're going to

be robbed of a few watts

under that scenario there then it was

just riding along just riding along

where it wasn't too bad at around 200

watts probably reading just a little low

and then into a hill jam where i'm on

the pedals really really quickly not an

all-out sprint just uh i guess the

acceleration of a small climb

didn't quite get the peak power

of one or two pedal strokes there took a

little while to come up to meet the

other two parameters okay through here

and then yeah back to what it was before

with that slower drop off in watts

the following day i performed a second

llama lab test i'll be at a shorter one

this time with some just riding along

coco cadence a bunch right here

and 192 202 201 again being consistently

lower than the other two meters and i

think it's because that drivetrain loss

isn't being factored in that is uh 10

watts or so not quite within the plus or

minus two with that section there

another short section of 200 and 250

watt steady state performed

224 231.5 to 30.5 again the two

parameters on the bike proving that they

are pretty close well very close uh and

the x5 neo just reading a little under

in that erg the sprint on day number two

was a different story the day before

this time it waited and then overshot

now i'm not quite capable of 1405

indoors however today the thinkrider x5

thought i was so

sprints yesterday it missed the sprints

and missed those peaks today got a

little bit too excited and overshot them

onto the overs and unders and same story

as the day before again just doing a

two-up test for this to make sure

everything is right again the graph's

looking pretty good change is nice and

fast

able to hold within 20 seconds plus or

minus a few what's there given this is

unsmooth so 258 266 266 again proving

the powder max in gco and asia major are

friendly with each other and the thick

writer neo is a little bit lower

okay with the physical write experience

and the data analysis out of the way

let's jump into some pros and cons to

summarize my experience with the trainer

overall in the llama lab under the pros

it has a quiet operation it has a good

to excellent ride feel prompt gradient

changes in sim mode using titan's grove

on zwift with its rolling hills erg mode

set point holds very very well and i had

a good ride feel in ergo i wasn't

feeling fatigued having to push that

pedal stroke over that flywheel was

ticking along it was really really good

the sprint held the resistance very very

well up to 1200 watts it wasn't a

limiter my legs were which is usually

the case with those sprint tests on the

cons

power accuracy steady state and in

sprints just wasn't quite in the

ballpark that i'd like to see there was

no in-game calibration on zwift you have

to use their app for the calibration and

they recommend doing that i believe

every 30 hours or so the x5 neo didn't

know what to do with that sprint

accuracy either it either missed them or

overshot them so not a unit for the

serious sprinter no cadence data i think

cadence is a must these days on a train

of this level even lower level you

should have cadence reported rather than

have to use an external cadence sensor

erg mode does do that data smoothing so

we weren't seeing the real picture of

what i was doing we were seeing what i

told it to do

rather than what i was actually doing

some trainers have an option to turn

that on or off as discussed there was no

leveling for the feet on this so you

have to get creative if you have

flooring that's a little bit off and

there's also no sleep mode for the

lights so it is always disco other

trainers do have a sleep mode for their

lights so during inactivity of about 15

minutes they'll switch everything off

come back on again when you start

pedaling that's an upgrade that this

trainer does need those lights were very

very bright okay on to the summary and

to wrap this one up look overall it's a

great trainer that's let down a little

bit by that power accuracy if they could

factor in maybe a little bit of

drivetrain loss if that's what i'm

seeing that'll correct that and those

sprints they really need to be fixed

they were over and under but this is not

uncommon for a trainer at this price

point resistance is easy to do power is

as we've seen in many cases very very

hard to get right if you're going to be

purchasing this trainer i would go local

or go through a retailer who has your

back with after sale support should

anything go wrong and with that we'll

leave it there because i have another

delivery reaching the door right about

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