LINUS TECH TIPS - New PTM7950 Cooling Solution .... Let's TEST IT
Summary
TLDRIn this tech review, the host explores PTM 7950, a phase change material used as a thermal solution for CPUs and GPUs. They compare its performance with traditional thermal paste and other cooling methods, detailing the application process and 'cooking' the PTM to optimize heat transfer. The script includes a comprehensive test, revealing PTM 7950's superior heat dissipation and performance benefits over standard paste, especially in devices with limited cooling capabilities. The Linus Tech Tips' version of PTM 7950 is tested and found to be a legitimate and effective alternative to imported options, offering improved thermal conductivity and longevity.
Takeaways
- 🔧 PTM 7950 is a phase change material used as a thermal solution on heat sinks for CPUs or GPUs, enhancing heat transfer compared to traditional thermal paste.
- 🛠️ There are various thermal management options, including thermal paste, pads, liquid metal, and PTM 7950, each with its pros and cons.
- 💧 PTM 7950 comes as a liquid material that dries and turns into a solid with higher thermal conductivity than paste, improving heat dissipation over time.
- 📦 The script mentions purchasing PTM 7950 from a site called 'eby7' and recommends it on the Legion Discord, highlighting its effectiveness.
- 🚫 Liquid metal is noted as a potentially superior thermal solution but comes with risks due to its conductivity, which could damage the system if mishandled.
- 📦 Linus Media Group offers PTM 7950, eliminating the need for international purchases and providing a more accessible option for consumers.
- 💲 The Linus version of PTM 7950 comes at a price premium due to the convenience of local availability and potential import costs.
- 🔍 The script provides a detailed comparison between different thermal solutions, including thermal paste and PTM 7950, with PTM showing better performance.
- 🔨 The process of applying PTM 7950 is described, emphasizing the need for careful application and 'cooking' the material to ensure it solidifies properly.
- 📈 Benchmark results are presented, showing that PTM 7950 can lead to lower temperatures, higher performance, and potentially less throttling compared to thermal paste.
- 🌍 The script concludes that PTM 7950 is a worthwhile investment for those seeking better thermal performance, especially in devices with limited cooling capabilities.
Q & A
What is PTM 7950 and what does it stand for?
-PTM 7950 is a phase change material, which is a thermal solution used to improve heat transfer from components like CPUs or GPUs to a cooling unit, similar to thermal paste but with enhanced performance after it dries and solidifies.
How is PTM 7950 different from traditional thermal paste?
-Traditional thermal paste dries out over time, reducing its effectiveness. PTM 7950, on the other hand, starts as a liquid but solidifies after multiple heat cycles, increasing its thermal conductivity and maintaining its performance over time.
What are the alternatives to PTM 7950 mentioned in the script?
-The alternatives to PTM 7950 mentioned include thermal paste, thermal pads, liquid metal, and other types of pads designed for specific components like VRMs.
What are the risks associated with using liquid metal as a thermal solution?
-Liquid metal, while potentially offering the best thermal performance, is conductive and can damage the system if not applied properly, posing a risk of frying the components.
How does the application process of PTM 7950 differ from applying thermal paste?
-PTM 7950 is applied in a similar manner to thermal paste, but it requires a process called 'cooking' the PTM, which involves running benchmarks to heat the material and allow it to transition into a solid state for optimal performance.
What is the source of PTM 7950 recommended by the script?
-The script recommends purchasing PTM 7950 from a site called 'e by7', which is where the author has been buying it, and it is identified as Honeywell PTM 7950.
What is the significance of the term 'cooking the PTM' in the context of the script?
-'Cooking the PTM' refers to the process of running the system at high temperatures to allow the PTM 7950 to transition from a liquid-like state to a solid state, which enhances its thermal conductivity.
How does the performance of PTM 7950 compare to thermal paste in terms of CPU temperatures and performance?
-PTM 7950 results in significantly lower CPU temperatures compared to thermal paste, allowing for higher wattages and better performance, as demonstrated by the benchmark scores in the script.
What is the potential impact of using PTM 7950 on the longevity and noise levels of a system?
-PTM 7950 can potentially reduce wear and tear on components due to lower operating temperatures, and it may also reduce fan noise since the system doesn't need to work as hard to dissipate heat.
How does the script evaluate the authenticity and performance of Linus PTM compared to Honeywell PTM 7950?
-The script suggests that the Linus PTM appears to be authentic and performs at least as well as the Honeywell PTM 7950, if not slightly better, based on the benchmark results and temperature comparisons.
Outlines
🔧 Introduction to PTM 7950 Phase Change Material
The speaker discusses PTM 7950, a phase change material used as a thermal solution for CPUs and GPUs. It's applied like thermal paste but eventually hardens to increase thermal conductivity more than paste. The speaker mentions various thermal solutions, including pads and liquid metal, but highlights PTM 7950's benefits, such as longevity and effectiveness. They share their experience with PTM 7950, noting its superior performance to paste and mention purchasing it from a site called 'e by7'. The speaker also addresses the convenience and price premium of purchasing PTM 7950 directly from LT (Linus Tech Tips), which eliminates the need for international shipping.
🛠 Application Process and 'Cooking' PTM 7950
The script details the application process of PTM 7950, which involves cutting it to the shape of the CPU or GPU and carefully peeling off the plastic sheet before applying it. The speaker emphasizes the importance of applying pressure without moving the material to avoid disrupting its placement. They also explain the 'cooking' process, where the material is heated through intensive use to transition from a liquid-like state to a more solid state, which enhances its thermal conductivity. The process involves running benchmarks and games to generate heat, followed by cooling cycles to allow the PTM to set effectively.
📊 Comparative Performance Results of PTM 7950
The speaker presents the results of performance tests using different thermal solutions, including Noctua paste, Honeywell PTM 7950, and Linus Tech Tips' PTM 7950. They note a significant decrease in temperatures and an increase in performance with PTM 7950 compared to traditional paste. The tests include Cinebench and Boulder Gate, showing the PTM 7950 allows for higher CPU wattage, leading to better performance and scores. The Linus Tech Tips' PTM 7950 is found to perform comparably to the Honeywell version, suggesting its authenticity and effectiveness.
🏆 Conclusion on the Efficacy of PTM 7950 and Linus Tech Tips' Offering
The speaker concludes that PTM 7950 is highly effective, especially in devices with limited cooling capabilities like laptops and handhelds. They emphasize the material's ability to lower temperatures, reduce fan noise, and extend the life of components by handling higher wattages more effectively. The speaker also discusses the warranty implications of using PTM 7950 in different countries and praises Linus Tech Tips for making an authentic and easily accessible version of PTM 7950 available in North America. They recommend PTM 7950 for those seeking optimal thermal performance and note its long-lasting nature despite its higher cost compared to thermal paste.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡PTM 7950
💡Thermal paste
💡Heat sink
💡Phase change material
💡Thermal conductivity
💡CPU
💡GPU
💡Thermal cycling
💡Thermal pads
💡Liquid metal
💡Longevity
Highlights
Linus Media Group has released a video on PTM 7950, a phase change material used for thermal solutions.
PTM 7950 is applied like thermal paste and dries to a solid state with higher conductivity, improving heat transfer.
Different thermal solutions are compared, including thermal paste, pads, liquid metal, and PTM 7950.
Liquid metal is considered the best thermal solution but comes with risks due to its conductivity.
PTM 7950 is purchased from eby7 and recommended on the Legion Discord, showcasing its popularity.
Importing PTM 7950 from China can be inconvenient due to shipping times and lack of transparency.
LT (Linus Tech Tips) offers PTM 7950 for sale on their website, providing an easier purchasing option for some.
PTM 7950 is applied by cutting it to the shape of the CPU or GPU and peeling off the protective plastic.
The application process of PTM 7950 is different from thermal paste, requiring careful peeling to avoid displacement.
PTM 7950 needs to be 'cooked' by running benchmarks to turn the material into a solid state for optimal performance.
Benchmark results show PTM 7950 outperforming thermal paste, resulting in lower temperatures and higher scores.
Linus Tech Tips' PTM 7950 is found to be at least as effective as the imported Honeywell PTM 7950.
PTM 7950 is particularly beneficial for devices with limited cooling, such as laptops and handhelds.
PTM 7950 can potentially reduce fan noise and extend the life of CPUs and GPUs by lowering operating temperatures.
The video concludes that Linus Tech Tips' PTM 7950 is a legitimate and effective thermal solution.
PTM 7950 is recommended for those seeking better thermal performance than standard thermal paste.
The cost of PTM 7950 is considered fair given its effectiveness and longevity compared to thermal paste.
Transcripts
so LT or lonus Tech tips or lonus Media
Group has put out PTM
7950 I think they've done one video on
this stuff before I've touched on this
stuff many times I've done it in many
videos for handhelds and I promote it on
lots of different devices so I have a
lot of experience with PTM 7950 PTM 7950
is a phase change material it's a
thermal solution that you can put on a
heat sink for example put your cooler on
it for a CPU or a GPU and in theory just
like a thermal
paste it's going to help transfer heat
off of the chip into the cooling unit
and then basically get that heat out of
the system we have a few different
options out there we have thermal paste
obviously we have thermal pads uh
there's like different types of pads you
can buy there's liquid metal and then of
course there's PTM 7950 paste comes as
generally as a liquid type material kind
of like a paste you put it on there and
it just stays as a paste basically until
it dries out essentially and it gets the
heat out and it's kind of the de facto
it works but it you know there's better
stuff out there uh there's like pads in
that typically like this is for like
vrms and that but you can get them for
CPUs as well and uh they apparently work
okay but they're not fantastic they're
just kind of easy of course then there's
liquid metal which liquid metal probably
is the best solution right now but
however it does carry risks you can it's
conductive so you can fry your system
PTM 7950 I've covered many times on my
channel uh basically what is a phase
change material so it comes kind of like
a pad of sorts but it's also a lot more
liquid kind of you can see it there it's
between two
plastic sheets there and inside is
basically a past like material it's a
little bit thicker than paste you put it
onto your CPU or your GPU then you
basically do a bunch of heat Cycles cold
heat cold heat cold heat get those
temperatures up and over time what this
is going to do is it's going to actually
turn into a solid material and that
solid material has much more
conductivity than thermal paste in
theory so basically what's going to
happen is it's going to be more
effective than thermal paste should have
really good longevity as well so I've
been buying my PTM you can get it on a
site called e by7 that's where I've been
buying it if you go on the legion
Discord I think they recommend it there
but that's where I recommend it and it's
Honeywell PTM 7950 you can see that
there and it works it works amazingly
well much better than paste and it
appears to be authentic anytime I've
ordered it from them uh that's what that
is there this giant sheet is from them
as well but you have to order it from
China it's imported um and it takes a
little bit of time and it's just not the
most transparent selection I've had no
issues with it I've ordered it many
times but uh for some people they may
not be comfortable doing that so uh LT
has their I guess solution to that and
they're just basically selling it
themselves I'm sure they're bringing it
in it could even be from that company
I'm not sure like the reseller bringing
it in of course it does come at a huge
price premium but they do sell and it's
easy you just go to the LT website you
give them to your American
dollars which I guess they then convert
into Canadian dollars and ship from
Canada and then ship it back to me in
Canada so I'm giving them Canadian
dollars which are converted into
American then it goes back into Canadian
dollars to them and then they ship me
the Canadian product in can Canada
figure that out uh I don't know why they
don't just offer Canadian probably
because American dollars are worth more
and it's a business idea uh but anyways
this is going to be for a lot of people
an easier way noctua I can just throw
some noctua or like Arctic Silver um I
might because people don't necessarily
know what tf8 is necessarily thermore I
might just use the nocta stuff the
nth1 just cuz people know what it is and
they're like comfortable with it so I
might use that uh so I'm going to do a
test with thermal paste I'm going to do
a test with the uh honey well stuff that
I know is honey well I'm going to do a
test also with
the Linus stuff here but realistically
if the line is stuff so my results here
that I expect to be is the paste works
fine whatever then I expect that the
actual uh PTM is going to be much better
significantly better it should result in
lower temperatures potentially better
scores uh like if we're doing like Cent
or something like that you should get
better scores uh but generally speaking
just better temperatures overall so I
expect this stuff to work fantastic
because I pretty much know that it does
uh however I haven't used it on that
chip specifically and then I expect
hopefully the line of stuff to be equal
so what would happen in an ideal
scenario here is the stuff that I
imported that I know is authentic
Honeywell PTM 7950 is going to work just
as good as the lionist stuff which then
speaks good to the lonus stuff for LTT
this stuff performs as good or better
I'm just hoping for as good as the
official honey well and if it performs
as well as the honey well I can see that
they've carved out a very important
market for people who don't want to
necessarily import this stuff from a
random site overseas okay here's a look
at the internal cooling system on the
laptop again RTX 4090 and 13950 HX so
very hot CPU very hot GPU has pretty
good cooling two fan setup nice thick
fans there heat pipe heat pipe with a
vapor chamber so overall it it actually
is a very uh well cooled system overall
it doesn't run at full wattage though
the GPU is not going to be you know like
170 watt variant but again it's still
hot components here so that's what that
looks like I'm going to take these off
here and you can see what it looks like
inside and then we'll basically show you
then I'm going to basically show you
what it is like to apply PTM 7950 it's
different than thermal paste you know
just spread it on it's a little bit
different but let's take this off and
have a look okay and here's the thermal
paste application you can see there it's
just a nice spread you can see the
difference in thermal paste it's just
kind of like a like it's paste right uh
and when it stays in until it dries out
like which is a bad thing on thermal
past you don't want it to dry out it'll
stay with this type of semi kind of
thick consistency and then eventually
it'll dry out and become less effective
but realistically this is kind of how
the paste should stay like basically as
a paste with the PTM obviously it's
going to harden into a hard material
like a solid so that's the application
there pretty good I'll just make sure
that I didn't miss anything let's open
this up here and I'll show you how to do
it so what you do basically is you cut
it so I need to get my little slice see
this is a huge a massive sheet of the
stuff here so uh basically what you do
is you cut it to the shape of your uh
chips you don't really want to go over
much it's not conductive so it's not
going to cause damage but you don't want
to go just like way over uh for one it's
pretty expensive but also it just makes
it a bit of a pain when you're peeling
it off so the way I do it is I kind of
get it just slightly over make a little
Mark there and then I'll make a little
Mark there the actual plastic on this is
a different m material than the official
honey well or so I can tell official
honey well uh it can be a little bit of
a pain now because you have to actually
peel it off at least the other stuff is
I don't know if this is easier the
plastic on the outside appears to be a
different
material so you basically peel it off
like that like that there of course when
it gets on your hands it never comes off
doesn't exactly stain it it just like
literally gets into your clothing I'll
cut a little piece piece of it off later
and we'll do a comparison Head to Head
put it on like that uh you want to give
it some pressure so it sticks to the
chip you don't have to like press super
hard just a little bit of pressure uh
and then you peel it off which can be
this is the hard part because you don't
want to peel it right back off of the
actual chip that a terrible this is why
I go a little bit over and that's the
side that I pull from and then you have
to be careful because it will be prone
to basically peeling off of the
chip okay not bad that's actually a
pretty good application there yeah so
other than the blue hue on the LTT
plastic like physically the plastic you
can see there it's got a blue hue to it
can't really probably see on camera the
actual little pad is the same color
appears to
be
and this is the honey
well again it's a different type plastic
underneath that's the LTT they do feel
the same and the thickness to my eye
it's very very very thin
right luckily I'm
nearsighted so I have good up close
Vision but I do not have the best far
Vision they seem to be the same to be
honest okay and there we go it's applied
nice and flat goes over a little bit
doesn't matter it's not uh it's not
thermally conductive so it doesn't
matter that it goes over slightly you
don't really want to touch it when you
put the uh actual thermal solution back
on you don't want to move it around a
lot because it's going to mess it up
basically you want to put your thermal
back on just basically set it on push it
down screw it in you don't want to move
it around it's not like a past that can
squeeze out or anything like that so you
really want to kind of oneshot this on
you want to tear it and mess it up uh so
there you go that's how it's going to
look there and we'll put this back
together and we'll start uh cooking it
and I'll show you kind of the process of
that as well this is the LTT stuff so
when you first apply the PTM 7950 you
may actually find your benchmark scores
go down what you need to do is
essentially turn that liquidlike
material into a solid and I call that
basically cooking the PTM so what you do
is you're going to run a bunch of
benchmarks what I typically do if it's
just you know an APU you can just run C
bench if it's a CPU and GPU system what
you want to do is basically slam it with
a bunch of heat so I loaded up cin bench
a bit and also Boulder's Gate and just
basically let it sit there at full load
getting that PTM nice and hot so I do a
cycle of that for about 10 minutes then
I cool it down let the game kind of just
shut off let the chip cool down then I
do it again I heat it up cool it down
heat it up cool it down I do that
usually five six times maybe seven times
and then typically what I do is I just
play a game for a little while like
maybe half an hour or something like
that then when I'm done I shut down the
system and I leave it overnight when I
come back in the morning typically what
happens is those scores are going to go
way up because the PTM has turned into a
more solid material and you may find
that slowly over the next few days as
well you might find that you're getting
a little bit better results overall as
that PTM turns liquid into a solid okay
so now let's look at some results here
so first runs I did cinch I did two runs
of cin bench logged it in Hardware info
you can see here that the noctua pace
the average temperature throughout run
was about 100° on the two ptms it was
considerably lower the honey well was
93.8 so basically 94 and the Linus was
94.1 so basically 94 so interchangeable
and a considerable drop from the average
on the nocta paste you can see here that
the average that the actual temperature
max is a little bit lower as well 100
105 dropped down about 100 or so so a
little bit of a temperature drop on the
max basically you're getting Peaks here
and that it's throttling and I can say
that because the average Watts on the
past is only about 80 where it's 93 on
the PTM and 100 on the Linus so I mean
regardless of which Pace you use and
regardless of which PTM you use it looks
like the PTM is going to have a profound
effect on cooling where the CPU is able
to just basically boost more and run at
a higher wattage which would give you
higher scores obviously because you're
basically getting higher Watts overall
because of lower temperatures so you can
see here that the pace is having a
really hard time of keeping the CPU cool
which is then just resulting in
throttling and you can also see that
here in the clock so
2685 average clocks on the nocta pace
versus 29 and 3,000 on the lineus PTM so
these ptms are making a big difference
on clocks and they're pretty close to
one another uh it could just come down
to you know how good of a job I did
applying them and that so I would call
these relatively interchangeable
although the average watts is quite nice
there a little bit more on the line of
stuff there uh noise levels were a
little bit louder on the uh paste but
not much it basically was just
throttling rather than the fan getting
noisier it's probably Peak fan
realistically on this laptop so it just
went up and then it just throttled down
on the pace because it wasn't able to
keep it
cool and that did result in higher
scores so the first run on the paste and
the second run on the pace and I gave
these a few minutes to cool down between
around 20 21,000 22,000 so it's okay but
you can see a pretty big jump there when
we went to the PTM we went to 24.5 and
around 24.3 so big jump in performance
there overall and the line of stuff was
around the same the first run was
slightly higher you can see here uh and
then the second run was more normal so
basically the same as that so relatively
interchangeable between these two ptms
here showing that the line of stuff is
doing the same as the honeywall that I
had to import which is good and both of
them are making a huge difference over
standard pace and this is good Pace this
knct door paste then I did some Boulders
gate I just left the game to run for
about 10 minutes or so and I just wanted
to compare the paste to the uh PTM
because I mean obviously the honey well
is doing the same stuff as the line of
stuff here so you can see here that the
average temperature on the CPU was 81 on
the pace almost 82 and then it was about
76 on the uh line of stuff so that's
going to be about 6° cooler on the line
of stuff if not 7 degre cooler so that's
good that's what you'd expect uh
temperature max is the same so it's just
throttling basically average watts are
also higher on the line of stuff so it's
running cooler despite the fact that it
has more watts going in interesting The
Clocks Were averaging higher on the uh
uh paste but it didn't really make a big
difference you'll see the FPS are
basically the same uh GPU now the
average watts are also the same 130 on
the knct pace 130 on the line of stuff
now one thing is this is not the highest
watt version of this system it's you
know has highend components 13950 HX RTX
490 but they're both set to a relatively
low temperature threshold uh you know
this and watt threshold so you can see
here you know this GPU is actually not
really ready to even go that high let
alone you supposed to be about 115 Watts
let alone 130 watt so that's definitely
just a power Peak on this system here if
you had a hotter system a thicker system
something like you know a Lenovo Legion
or an MSI larger laptop or an Asus
larger laptop that was allowing more
watts to go into the GPU let's say 150
watts 160 Watts 170 Watts you'd probably
see even a more pronounced effect
between the two of them here but I just
wanted to clear that up slightly that
this is just basically a wattage
limitation here and you would see
probably increasing the Watts even more
even a more pronounced effect GP
temperature was higher on the paste here
lower on the line of stuff here remember
Junction temperature was higher on the
paste lower on the line of stuff here
hotspot temperature was higher on the on
the paste lower on the PTM GPU clocks
were close to one another uh memory
clocks were close to one another and
video clocks were relatively close to
one another and uh basically FPS was
interchangeable so what you're basically
seeing here is that the PTM works so PTM
in general will see a fairly profound
effect especially on CPU uh the GPU here
is just not the hottest iteration of a
4090 uh but on the CPU here you can
really notice that PTM in general is
going to lower CPU temperatures which
allows more watts to go into it which
allows a better score okay so what do I
think of the Linus paste or Linus PTM uh
it works it seems to be authentic when
compared to the stuff that I imported
the you know most likely authentic PTM
7950 honey well that I imported overseas
and I've been using on and off for years
basically and a lot of people have
bought off these same buyers uh I mean
it seems to be performing identically
basically potentially better but it's
hard to say you know it's probably just
margin of user a how well I applied it
in the first place but it performs at
least as well as the stuff that I'm
bringing in from overseas which is
fantastic because PTM 7950 if you've
watched any my videos and I've shown it
in many different devices it works
considerably better than thermal paste
even really good thermal paste I have
different types of pastes here you can
see all these here and paste can be good
and it's easy to use it's really really
cheap but when it comes down to it the
PTM stuff works better I especially find
this true on devices that have limited
cooling so laptops handheld devices
because there's only so much heat sink
that you can get in there only so much
fan you can get in there you know if you
have some desktop with a giant massive
fan on it and 17 heat pipes coming off
of it and liquid cooling and I mean it's
probably still going to be fine with
past realistically Because the actual
cooling solution is massive however when
you have limited space you're looking at
something like a laptop something like a
handheld PTM 7950 does work better than
paste you're going to basically get
lower temperatures which is going to
potentially reduce fan noise it's going
to reduce wear and tear on those devices
and most importantly by having lower
temperatures you may experience higher
wattages going into those gpus into
those CPUs which gives better
performance that's especially true if
you have thinner chassis like say you
know if you're looking at a thin and
light laptop with a lot of beefed up
components inside you're going to be
able to get that heat out a little bit
better on those devices that are a
little bit thermally constrained or if
you just have some Behemoth that has you
know an I9 processor that's just going
to be an absolute hot box in there and
then 4090 and unlike my 4090 that you
know really just is supposed to be at
about 115 but boost up to 130 maybe your
4090 is at 150 and boost up to 170 or
something like that that's a lot more
Heat going to that GPU and a lot more
overhead for watts and therefore for
performance so if you're able to keep
that GPU cool and that CPU cool you're
going to get better performance on those
parts you're going to potentially get
less fan noise which is good because
then it's less annoying you're also
going to potentially reduce wear and
tear on those GPU and CPU if you're
putting money into your device and you
want to be getting the best performance
out of it and you're comfortable taking
off that Cooling solution and putting on
something like this and it's not in your
country every country is different it's
not going to avoid your warranty here in
Canada it will not avoid the warranty
but in some countries it could so just
be aware of that PTM 7950 Works amazing
I do also recommend I mean if you can
pick this stuff up so easily now from LT
from lonus uh I mean why not throw it in
your desktop I probably will honestly
it's just so easy to get and you get
nice big sheets there it will outperform
a paste in a desktop as well it's just
that I typically find that's more
pronounced in smaller devices but I mean
if I can get Giant sheets of this stuff
like that for I mean I wouldn't call it
cheap right this stuff is not cheap by
any means uh but for the number of
applications you get out of it right
this stuff lasts for a long time unlike
paste so I mean put in your bunch of CPU
dieses in here unless you're like an
like a benchmarker or something you're
swapping out devices all the time you
know something like this could last you
for years just one of them I of course
picked up three of them because I just
wanted to get the free shipping but I
mean you could buy some other stuff off
of them whatever uh but realistically I
mean just one of these is going to last
me for quite a long time I I do laptop
reviews and benchmarks so I'm going to
be swapping this stuff a lot so for me
you know it's not going to last that
long but for you something like this
would actually last a really long time
realistically so yeah I mean if you're
looking to pick this stuff up it seems
to be good uh so good job to lionist and
team I mean they're not making this
stuff but they're bringing it in they
obviously found a source for this stuff
that is legit uh the price I would
consider Fair considering it's coming
from you know North America they're
importing it from whatever country
getting it in here packaging it up
wherever they package it up uh it's in
North America and you know this stuff's
a little bit hard to buy overseas and so
now we have access to it and it's going
to last you for a long time I think it's
pretty fair and the most important thing
is it works just as well if not slightly
better but I would say at least as well
as the authentic honey well PTM 7950 and
that means that it's going to work a lot
better than thermal paste so yeah good
job guys it works well and it seems to
be authentic that's the test
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