Katie Johnson's full testimony of 2/11/16

Summary

The transcript recounts a disturbing account of a young girl's alleged encounters with Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, detailing sexual abuse and manipulation at parties. The narrator, who was 13 at the time, describes being coerced into sexual acts, Trump's apparent enjoyment of dominance, and the lasting impact on her mental health and relationships. She speaks out of a sense of duty to expose the character of a man running for the presidency.

Takeaways

• 🚨 The interviewee claims to have met Donald Trump at parties thrown by Jeffrey Epstein when she was 13 years old.
• 🤝 She alleges that Trump requested sexual acts from her, including a hand job with a glove and oral sex with a condom.
• 💸 The interviewee received payment from Epstein for attending these parties.
• 👥 She describes the presence of other young girls, some as young as 13 or 14, at the parties.
• 👀 Trump and Epstein are said to have engaged in banter, with Trump making racist and derogatory comments.
• 😨 The interviewee recounts a traumatic experience where Trump allegedly raped her during a staged fantasy scenario.
• 😢 She expresses fear, a sense of worthlessness, and difficulty in forming healthy relationships as a result of her experiences.
• 🏚️ Epstein is portrayed as manipulative, attempting to force himself on the interviewee during a supposed job interview for modeling.
• 🗣️ The interviewee's decision to come forward is driven by a sense of responsibility to inform the public about Trump's character, especially considering his presidential run.
• 🤔 She mentions a single confidante, a best friend, who is aware of her experiences but chose not to keep any physical evidence of the encounters.
• 💔 The interviewee's psychological impact includes self-sabotaging relationships and a pervasive distrust of men.

Q & A

What was the primary reason the interviewee came to the interview?

The interviewee came to the interview on their free will without any promises made to them, intending to tell the truth about their encounters.

How old was the interviewee when they first met Donald Trump?

The interviewee was 13 years old when they first met Donald Trump at a party at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion.

What unusual request did Donald Trump make during the first encounter according to the interviewee?

Donald Trump requested the interviewee to give him a handjob with a glove, which was an uncomfortable experience for the interviewee.

Who was responsible for throwing the sex parties mentioned by the interviewee?

Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire friend of Donald Trump, was responsible for organizing the sex parties.

What was the initial intention of the interviewee when they moved to New York?

The interviewee initially moved to New York with the intention of becoming a model.

How did the interviewee meet Tiffany, and what was Tiffany's role?

The interviewee met Tiffany through a girl named Tiffany who claimed to help girls get into modeling and was recruiting girls for parties.

What was the age range of the girls that attended these parties according to the interviewee?

Most of the girls at the parties were around the interviewee's age, with some being as young as 13 or 14, and the oldest possibly being 16.

Why did the interviewee decide to come forward with their story now?

The interviewee decided to come forward when they saw Donald Trump running for President, feeling it was their responsibility to reveal the kind of man he is.

What was the nature of the parties that the interviewee was paid to attend?

The parties were sexual in nature, with the interviewee and other girls being paid by Mr. Epstein after each party.

What kind of comments did Donald Trump make that made the interviewee uncomfortable?

Donald Trump made racist comments, derogatory remarks about Hispanic and Arabic people, and used slurs for black people, which made the interviewee very uncomfortable.

How did the interviewee describe the last encounter with Donald Trump?

The last encounter involved a forced sexual act where Donald Trump allegedly raped the interviewee, disregarding her pleas to stop.

What long-term effects has the interviewee experienced as a result of their encounters with Donald Trump?

The interviewee has struggled with self-worth, self-esteem, and trust issues, as well as difficulties in maintaining healthy relationships.

Outlines

00:00

🕊️ Alleged Encounters with Trump and Epstein

The narrator claims to have met Donald Trump at parties organized by Jeffrey Epstein, where she was a 13-year-old recruit for modeling. She describes an uncomfortable encounter with Trump, who allegedly asked her for a hand job with a glove and later, a condom for oral sex. The narrator also mentions Epstein's alleged sexual advances and the manipulative recruitment by a woman named Tiffany, who promised modeling opportunities but led her into sexual situations with powerful men.

05:01

🗳️ Political Motivation and Party Dynamics

The narrator's decision to come forward is driven by Trump's presidential campaign, feeling a responsibility to reveal his character. She recounts wearing a blonde wig that Trump found reminiscent of his daughter, and details the dynamics of the parties, including Epstein's role and the payment she received. The paragraph also includes allegations of Trump's racist remarks and his specific sexual requests.

10:08

😨 Trump's Alleged Misconduct and Power Dynamics

The narrator describes a disturbing account of sexual misconduct by Trump, including a rape fantasy scenario where she was forced into a non-consensual sexual act. She emphasizes the fear and power imbalance, with Trump allegedly threatening to call immigration on another girl involved. The incident left her traumatized and marked by Trump's display of dominance and control.

15:13

😞 Emotional Aftermath and Personal Impact

The narrator discusses the emotional toll of her experiences, including the loss of self-worth and the inability to maintain healthy relationships. She mentions her fear of having children due to the potential damage they could face. The paragraph highlights her struggle with trust and the lasting effects of the trauma on her emotional well-being.

20:13

🚫 Fear and Avoidance of Trump

The narrator expresses a deep fear of Trump, stating that she would run away if given the chance to speak with him. She recounts a final encounter where she was allegedly raped, and Trump's subsequent dismissive and cruel comments. The paragraph also touches on her decision to leave the parties and never return, as well as the support she received from her friend Tiffany.

25:13

💔 Long-Term Consequences on Relationships and Self-Esteem

The narrator describes the long-term impact of her experiences with Trump on her ability to form and maintain relationships. She discusses her self-sabotaging behavior in relationships and her difficulty in trusting men. The paragraph concludes with her reflections on the irreversible damage to her self-esteem and the counseling she sought to address her trauma.

Keywords

💡Free will

Free will refers to the power of making choices that are neither determined by natural causality nor predestined by fate or divine will. In the context of the video, the narrator claims to have attended the interview of their own volition, emphasizing that no coercion was involved in their decision to share their experiences.

💡Truth

Truth is the state or quality of being in accordance with fact or reality. The narrator asserts that everything they say during the interview will be the truth, indicating their intention to provide an honest account of their encounters, which is central to the video's theme of revealing alleged misconduct.

💡Encounters

Encounters refer to meetings, especially those that are unexpected or brief. The narrator mentions having had several encounters with Donald Trump, which are described as part of a series of events that shaped their narrative, highlighting the significance of these meetings in the overall story.

💡Orgy

An orgy is a sexual activity involving multiple participants. The script describes an orgy taking place at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion, setting the scene for the first encounter with Donald Trump, and illustrating the environment in which the narrator alleges inappropriate behavior occurred.

💡Recruiter

A recruiter is someone who seeks out and tries to persuade others to join a particular organization or cause. In the video, the narrator mentions a recruiter who told them they needed to perform intimate acts, suggesting a role in facilitating the alleged encounters with Trump.

💡Virgin

A virgin is a person who has had no sexual experience or intercourse. The narrator describes themselves as a virgin at the time of the encounters, which is significant as it underscores the alleged exploitative nature of the interactions with Donald Trump.

💡Rape fantasy

A rape fantasy is a scenario imagined or enacted that involves non-consensual sex. The script details a disturbing account of a rape fantasy allegedly involving Donald Trump, which is a critical element of the narrator's story and highlights the severity of the accusations.

💡Self-worth

Self-worth is the value and respect a person holds for themselves. The narrator discusses how their experiences with Donald Trump have negatively impacted their self-worth, indicating the psychological impact of the alleged events on their personal life.

💡Intimidation

Intimidation is the act of making someone fearful or submissive through threats or actions. The video describes the narrator feeling intimidated by Donald Trump, which is relevant to understanding the power dynamic and the emotional state of the narrator during the encounters.

💡Therapy

Therapy is the treatment of physical or mental disorders through various methods, often involving discussion of personal issues. The narrator mentions attending therapy, indicating their attempt to cope with and process the traumatic experiences described in the video.

💡Self-sabotage

Self-sabotage is the act of deliberately causing one's own failure or misfortune. The narrator discusses self-sabotaging relationships, which is a psychological consequence of their experiences, and a way to understand the long-term effects of the alleged encounters.

💡Trust

Trust is the firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something. The script reveals the narrator's inability to trust men after their experiences, which is a significant aspect of the emotional aftermath and the impact on their personal relationships.

Highlights

The interviewee claims to have met Donald Trump at parties thrown by Jeffrey Epstein when she was 13 years old.

She alleges that Trump asked her for a handjob, which she provided using a glove as instructed by her recruiter.

The interviewee describes Epstein as a billionaire friend of Trump's who organized sex parties.

She was recruited by a girl named Tiffany to attend parties with the promise of a modeling career.

Epstein allegedly knew the interviewee's age and asked her to strip down to her underwear during an interview.

The interviewee alleges that Trump knew she was 13 and was attracted to her youth and virginity.

She describes a second encounter with Trump where she was forced to perform oral sex while wearing a condom.

Trump is said to have exhibited racist behavior, making derogatory comments about Jewish, Hispanic, and Arab people.

The interviewee was paid by Epstein after each party she attended.

She recounts a disturbing encounter where Trump allegedly acted out a rape fantasy with her.

The interviewee describes feeling violated and traumatized by her experiences with Trump.

She expresses fear of having children due to her traumatic experiences.

The interviewee's self-esteem and ability to form healthy relationships have been negatively impacted by her experiences.

She has sought therapy to address the issues stemming from her encounters with Trump.

The interviewee's decision to come forward is driven by a sense of responsibility to inform the public about Trump's character.

She describes Trump as having a destructive influence on her life and self-worth.

Transcripts

I came to this interview on my free will.  No, there was nothing promised to me for  

doing this interview. Yes, everything that  I say at this interview will be the truth.

I met Donald Trump at some parties that I was  working for Mr. Jeffrey Epstein. There was  

about three or four times that I had encounters  with Donald Trump. I was 13. The first time that  

I met Donald Trump was at a party at Jeffrey  Epstein's mansion. We were he was --- there  

was an orgy going on, and he was kind of watching  off in the distance. And and he basically asked  

if I could come over and give him give him a hand  job. And at first I wasn't very comfortable with  

it this was like my first or second party, and I  I didn't you know I didn't think that that was my  

responsibility, but my recruiter told me that  I needed to do it so I agreed to and then he  

you know I said I said began to uh --- sorry  this is a little difficult ---- but before I  

gave him a hand job he kind of slapped my hand  away and said you need to use a glove. And the  

recruiter ran over and handed me a glove  and said 'no one touches Mr. Trump's penis  

without a glove'. So I needed to use a glove. I  gave him a hand job and then immediately after,  

you know, he he had an orgasm he left,  and I didn't see him again at that party.

Jeffrey Epstein is a billionaire friend of Donald  Trump's that was responsible for throwing the sex  

parties. There was --- I originally came to New  York trying to be a model and in my travels I met  

a girl named Tiffany there who was very interested  in me and said that you know she that's what she  

did is that she helped girls you know get what  they wanted and and she could help me get it and  

get into modeling that she knew a lot of people  that were that were higher ups and that it would  

be no problem. And so that's why you know she  but I would just basically have to come model  

at a couple of events and meet some people. It  would be no sweat. So of course I went you know  

that it sounded like no big deal. And she was  recruiting the girls to come to these parties,  

and they all looked I mean most of them  were near my age there was you know maybe  

a couple girls that were maybe 14 or 15 but it  seemed to me like we were all very young so.

Jeffrey Epstein knew that I was 13 years  old. When he interviewed me he asked me  

to get down to my bra my just my panties and  I thought that was weird but I mean modeling  

maybe it was something about my figure and he  asked that I give him a massage so he and then  

he asked me my age he asked me and I told him  you know I've told him that I was 13 I told him  

why I was there and and he basically said well  you'll do you know I'm sure that you'll you'll  

fit pretty nicely here and then he he tried  to basically slip himself inside of me. And I  

pushed him away and I said I'm because ---- at  that point in time I still believed that there  

was models and then there was the girls that did  that like I thought there was a separation. So,  

um yeah I told him that I wasn't interested  in that, but he said that I would do.

And as far as Donald Trump, he knew that I  was 13 and I believe that Tiffany told him.  

He seemed to take a liking to me, because I was  I was so young and I was also a virgin -- so,  

I don't know he's it seemed like he wasn't  really into having having girls that that  

were liked by the other guys he kind of ---  you know the whole glove --- and he kind of  

liked things to be his first you know if  that for lack of you know better term,  

but he was the one who wanted to get to  get to a girl before everyone else did.

Donald's Trump knew that I was 13, because  the first the first night that I was there  

Tiffany actually suggested that, and she  had a whole bunch of different wings than  

I expressed interest in them you know I  always told her that I would love to walk  

around blue hair and so I tried some on  and there was a blonde wig that she said  

that looked great on me so I wore that wig. And  Donald Trump had specifically asked about me,  

because I remind him of his daughter  and she said well she's 13 as well. So,  

he knew the first time that he saw me but he took  a liking to me because I look like his daughter.

The reason I'm coming out now is when  it happened originally I just wanted to  

forget about the whole incident and when I saw  that he was running for President, I felt it  

was my responsibility to come out and tell our  country what kind of man this person is. I don't  

think that he should even be the dog catcher let  alone running the greatest country in the world.

After I met Tiffany at the bus station, she  took me to basically went to her house her  

apartment and got ready I put on a blonde wig,  because it seemed fun to pretend to be someone  

different but we went to the party that I  was basically entering interviewing for.  

And Jeffrey Epstein was the one that was  running the party. He had a quick meeting  

with everyone that was employed there,  and he had a private interview with me.

The first time that I met Jeffrey Epstein he  did try to force himself inside of me without  

getting the go-ahead or anything and then  on the it was probably about the third or  

fourth party is when he basically forced  it was it was another massage and it was  

basically like it wasn't sex but it was there  was penetration and I told him that I didn't  

want that but he kind of got a little irritated  so I don't know there was something about him  

that I guess I kind of held him like I  helped a lot of resentment towards him.

By that time that that happened I I  kind of already started catching on  

that maybe I wasn't there for  modeling and maybe I was just  

getting used for things and I felt  that kind of held him responsible.

Um I did receive money to go to these parties.  After every party I was paid by Mr. Epstein.  

There wasn't --- out of all the girls that  were there with me I never I've most of them  

were 13 14 I think the oldest one might have  been 16 just but just turned 16. I mean she'd  

been there for a while. It was actually ---  it was Tiffany he was it he was he he liked  

to watch but other people have sex I I mean  it was must and he he's the germ doesn't like  

germs so he rather than partaking. He just  watches so Tiffany I informed him that I was  

the virgin and so he was I was basically sorry  I right so it was Tiffany who introduced us.

The second time that I saw Mr. Trump was same  scenario he was on-looking so at an orgy and  

Tiffany came over to me and said that Donald Trump  had requested that I perform oral sex on him. And  

never I'd never done something like that with  anybody so I was a little nervous so I walked  

up to him and he was standing and saying they're  very proud like and I just kind of moved to that  

direction and he's kind of slapped me away and  said what are you doing you know you need to put  

a condom on like I was some like dirty filth or  something without a condom. Tiffany ran over and  

handed him a condom -- me a condom and apologizing  profusely and said that would never happen again  

that and she looked at me and scolded me being  seemed kind of like a child and said that that's  

not how a Donald Trump always you know anytime  you took it touched his penis it needs to have a  

condom on her glove you know you oh and especially  when it comes to performing oral sex. So I'm I  

apologized and then I performed oral sex on him.  And once again once he was done he hopped up and  

but that's the last I saw of him at that party.  It's like when she's down he's out mm-hmm so.

Sometimes before the some of the things  that I noticed that we're weird with him  

well sometimes before the parties he would come  over and him Jeffrey Epstein and himself would  

kind of banter back and forth and he was very  ---Donald Trump was very racist. He said a lot  

of racist things. Like there was there was a  lot of comments towards Mr. Epstein about you  

know being Jewish and in comments 'you bastard',  you know, so that he was cheap and there was some  

words I didn't even understand --- something  about the shape of his penis being directly  

related to his mole or I'm not too familiar  with did you know the Jewish tradition so but  

I'm pretty sure that whatever he was saying  wasn't very nice. Also referred to, you know,  

people of Hispanic or you know Hispanic me  and he called them spics. That was around  

the first time that the World Trade Center  had gotten the bombing in the 90s and he was  

you know talking about the towelheads and how  you know it would just be better off if we you  

know I didn't let him in or you know basically  got rid of everyone every single one that was  

already here. And I thought I just that was  it made me really uncomfortable really really  

uncomfortable. He also loved to call black people  niggers, and Arabic people he called sand makers.

The only time that that he tried to give me some  money was the last our last encounter together  

where he acted out a rape fantasy. I just I was  forced to I was forced to give that money back,  

because I Jeffrey Epstein paid us after the  party so but he just gave me the money. I  

don't even know why he gave it to me maybe  didn't make me feel more cheap but it was  

um it was a pretty bright I will it was a rape  fantasy to him but I'd if I wasn't playing so.

There was those there was those two times and then  there was after and the next the next thing that  

was that a Tiffany approached me with was that  he had a fantasy where he walked in on his maids  

basically making out and that he it was some  type of fantasy for him. So she asked I mean  

I was at that point I was like I don't want  to be involved with anything that has to do  

with him. But she's like you were just basically  the the other one so there's nothing that you'll  

have to do just don't you know just you want he's  requesting you to be involved. So I reluctantly  

I felt like I didn't have a choice there but it  was basically he's walking in his two maids I  

was one of the main so I was the white maid and  there was a Spanish girl Maria who was Hispanic  

maid and we were making out and he walks in and  he gets really angry and threatens to send call  

immigration on Maria if she doesn't come over  and make things right and give him a blow job.  

So while she is over there giving him a blow job  I am just look trying to you know I'm supposed  

to look scared like oh no you know and cleaning  tried cleaning up things and pretending like I'm  

trying to go back to my job as a maid and then he  his being was so rude to Maria I felt so bad for  

her even though I guess it just didn't seem like a  fantasy and it didn't seem like it's the weirdest  

fantasy as far as that. You know he was threatened  he was threatening to call immigration on her yes  

so that she know how to you know she went to she  wasn't even near going down to give him perform  

oral sex on him before he slapped her away and  said you know you what are you doing you know you  

need to put a condom on and and she's trying to  miss me and I'm so sorry and he's like you can't  

even can't you understand what you're saying  you know and just, you know. 'speak English',  

you know he called her derogatory comments and  then he's like 'you know what, you don't know what  

you're doing. have her come over and show you how  it's done'. And so, I again I said that I didn't  

you know I had to go over there or else he was  going to call immigration on Maria I didn't know  

if it was true or not, but I felt that you know  he said that if I was if I didn't show her how to  

perform oral sex on him then he was going to call  immigration on her and then get rid of us both.

You know it was anything that was in relation  to him getting off or being satisfied or happy  

had to do with him being in power but extreme  power. And it's it's very it's very hard to  

even it was it was always intimidating when he  was like that. It was always you didn't really  

know if it was true or funny. It's like if  you refuse to play along would he really  

call immigration on Maria? Would he really get  rid of us both. And I didn't even want to know  

what that meant. You know I always didn't --- it  wasn't a game. We just felt like it wasn't a game.

The one night that I had the blonde wig on,  he mentioned that I looked like, you know,  

I looked like to you know that I reminded him  of his daughter. And actually the the the maid  

fantasy I didn't have a blonde wig on. And  I was trying to stay away from blond wigs  

at the time. But he actually requested -- told  Tiffany that that's when he wanted me to wear  

like he wanted in these and anytime I put it  on anytime I had it on and he'd see me would  

say oh man you look just and it wasn't like a  oh you remind me of my daughter it was a sick  

evil like mmm you remind me of my daughter. It was  just this weird pleasure sick smile like I don't  

even want to know what he was thinking about.  I could imagine what he was thinking about.

After the parties would end, we were to a  report to Mr. Epstein and basically tell  

him everything that happened with who  what they liked what they disliked if  

there was any requests if there was any  talk about anything. That's what when  

we told Mr. Epstein everything and then  he paid us and then we got to go home.

And with me you know I would either  you know I normally got taken taken  

to the airport you know so to go back home.

The fact that Trump has a chance to be the next  president makes me feel disgusting inside. I've  

always been proud to be an American, and I think  we live in a beautiful country. But I just see  

him ruining everything. He's a horrible what he  portrays on the outside isn't even that great,  

but people don't even know the half of it --  how evil help sick and twisted that man is.

I have a friend that's been my friend ever since  the school year that I stopped going, you know,  

the the eighth grade. I confided in her and  she knows all about it. She knows everything  

I mean I I destroyed everything like you know  any planes - I didn't I couldn't risk it my my  

dad finding out. And now I think I'm old enough  to where I think I don't think you know I at  

that point I didn't want to not be his little  girl, you know, I didn't want to lose my dad.

Basically I I any I would never as far as  keeping proof of any of the trips and the  

only person.... I never told my parents you  know I there would be no happy you know there  

would be no good outcome of telling my parents,  you know, they would have grounded me I would  

have never been allowed of the house, you know,  my father would have come unglued. I did tell a  

friend my best she's still my best friend of  this day. She knows everything. She knows it  

all. I'm prepared to do whatever it takes to  save the country that I believe that we have.

I know when he does behind pub-like  closed doors like if that's all I'm  

willing to sacrifice my life to put our  country back - and they're right like  

going maybe in some type of positive  direction not even there's no right  

or wrong but a positive direction. This  guy's not gonna take us anywhere positive.

You know as far as my life changing by coming  out of his information I've thought long and  

hard about whether or not I should. And I've gone  back and forth, but I think that I can't I think  

that the American people need to know what kind  of man this person is. And if my life changes  

because of that. then so be it but the American  people need to know what they're dealing with.

If I had the chance to talk to Donald  Trump I would run the other way. I'm  

scared of him like I've never been  scared of him anything else in my  

entire life. I can't I can't explain  it to you, but I just the fear of him  

even being in the next room may I have a  panic I would have had a panic attacks.

The last encounter that I had with Donald Trump  --- Tiffany approached me about a rape scene that  

was he's supposed to be played out and I didn't  like I didn't like the sound of that at all,  

but Tiffany promised ensured me that it wasn't  going to be if I if it was anything I wasn't  

comfortable with we could stop. That she would  be right there and that and would it wouldn't get  

out of it wouldn't get out of hand and that it was  just it was a fantasy like it wasn't really gonna  

happen. And so she I told her that I would she  she basically I mean she Tiffany was always nice  

to me. I felt I trusted her else I will you know  and I wouldn't always trusted her or done what  

she asked me to but she was there. And he came in  and I was basically tied to a bed with pantyhose,  

and he tied him I knew they were so tied I could  it hurt to even like lay there and I tried to you  

know try to say something it was like and  he's just 'shut up' and 'shut up bitch',  

you know, this is it was basically like he  was he was being really really rough, and  

I understand that I don't I mean it just didn't  seem like a fantasy, and I started to get scared,  

and and he was you know basically like ripping  my clothes off, and and I was actually real I  

started I got freaked out I I told him that  I don't want to do this. I was, you know,  

I screamed over for Tiffany and she was like Mr.  Trump she's only you know she's not she this is  

scaring her and he's like 'oh, you shut up, too' -  he just turned in this animal. It was a completely  

different completely different person. It was like  everyone in the room was scared of him and -- I  

was --- it was like a I couldn't do anything  about it. And he ripped off all my clothes and  

he started to basically have sex with me and I was  screaming, because I never had sex before was my  

first time and Tiffany was yelling at him too she  she was saying I was a virgin and he's told us to  

'just shut the fuck up' and just basically took  my virginity while I was crying and telling him  

to stop and that's basically begging for him to  just stop. And Tiffany didn't know what else to  

do either she no one was there to help us --  or me. And so so after the fact and he he he  

basically finishes it and didn't it didn't take  that long at all I mean but it was just it felt  

like it was like five and a half hours well it was  an eternity like I don't even know how long it was  

but he was done and I was crying and Tiffany was  consulting me. And she was you know apologizing.  

She told me that she would never she didn't she  just never put me in that situation again. But  

he comes over mad because I was crying -- he said  that I should be thankful that someone like Donald  

Trump took my virginity. Well he didn't say took  my virginity he said I should be glad that someone  

like Donald Trump pop my cherry and not some  pimply little 14 year old. And I just was like  

what if I yeah I said what if I get pregnant not  even talking to him. I didn't want to talk to him.  

I was talking to Tiffany. And he said well you'll  get an abortion then bitch and then just walked  

away and I I asked I went to I had told Tiffany  I needed to go home. I never went back again.

I guess I guess it's for you to decide. You know  I mean if I don't have any kids myself because  

I'm afraid to have kids because and who knows what  kind of damage they can get into. But if you have  

a 13 year old daughter and you're I mean would  you be okay with the person who's running our  

country doing that to your little girl? And I just  I don't know I just want people to know. I think  

that I I haven't I know I have a faith in our  in our society that will make the right choice.

He seemed to be taking great pleasure  and like dominance and control and just  

the more I screamed the more I got  scared the more he was enraged and  

like power enraged with power. And it was  like he was just charged with it was scary.

My experience with Donald Trump and has made it  to where I I can't be in a healthy relationship  

much less I can't be in a relationship without  without my self sabotaging it. I don't I don't  

do well --- I mean I've been in I've been in a  couple of relationships I mean they're never of  

interest to me normally but one in particular  that was a wonderful --- he was a wonderful  

man --- and I completely knowing I I had like  subconsciously I couldn't even control myself  

it was like I had to get him out of my life  because you know I don't I don't know why. It  

was like anytime anyone loves me I don't feel  worth it or you know I've I mean I've I don't  

even know how to explain it. Like I can't friends  I can have acquaintances that you guys that are  

acquaintances but I just you know anytime it's  maybe someone expressed anything else besides  

that I can't --- I take some type of pleasure and  not some type of I don't take pleasure in it but  

subconsciously whether I mean to or not sometimes  I've meant to it's like I hurt their feelings just  

so they'll never talk to me again. Like and  make sure that it's not ever a possibility.

Donald Trump, Donald Trump destroyed my  feeling of self-worth and my self-esteem when  

it was still --- I like when it just bloomed. It  hadn't even had a chance to experience anything.

I have I have only spoken to to one therapist  about this just recently actually I for a long  

time I just really just tried to forget about it.  Just tried very hard. But I've been to counseling  

for other things, and I went to counseling  for the previous the previous relationship  

that I was sabotaging. And my counselor said  something has happened to you that were you  

or just you need to deal with that. That's  actually what kind of was like hmm. He knew  

that there was something that had happened where  I was self sabotaging or you know sabotaging these  

relationships. But, you know, he said that it  was my responsibility to deal with it, of course.

This the situation with Donald Trump has  left it just destroyed my self-esteem and  

it's made it to where I feel  like it's destroyed part of  

my life. I haven't --- the only healthy  relationship I've completely demolished.  

And I love to choose the dysfunctional  ones that I know I can just push away.

After what happened with him I can't trust a  

man ever again. I --- thinking about  it just makes me sick to my stomach.

So when when something so traumatic  happens to someone that's so young,  

you never ever really get over it