Which Traitor Primarch Could be Redeemed & Which Loyalist Could Fall? | Warhammer 40k Lore
Summary
TLDRIn this Warhammer 40,000 lore discussion, the video explores the complexities of the Primarchs' allegiances during the Horus Heresy. It delves into which loyalist Primarchs were on the brink of falling to Chaos and speculates on the potential for redemption for the traitor Primarchs. Highlighting characters like Sanguinius, who nearly succumbed to Chaos, and Magnus the Red, who might have been redeemed, the video ponders the significant impact these shifts could have had on the Warhammer 40k universe.
Takeaways
- 📚 The complexity of the Primarchs' relationship with Chaos is explored, highlighting the fine line between loyalty and corruption.
- 🧩 The Horus Heresy series delves into the potential for Primarchs to fall to Chaos or be redeemed, with the Emperor's confidence in redemption discussed.
- 🚀 The Kegix Taurus Cyber Dynasty launch is a significant event, featuring over 31 new modular models with customizable parts.
- 🎉 The creator expresses gratitude for the support of the launch, acknowledging the hard work and the humbling response from the community.
- 🛒 There is a lead time with orders due to high demand, but the creator assures everyone will receive their Cyber Dynasty models or armies.
- ❌ Certain Loyalist Primarchs like Guilliman, Lion El'Jonson, and Vulkan are deemed incorruptible due to their strong moral compass and loyalty to the Emperor.
- 🔮 Jaghada Khan's critical thinking and common sense make him unlikely to fall to Chaos, despite being a wildcard in the setting.
- 💔 Sanguinius is identified as the Loyalist Primarch closest to falling to Chaos due to his insecurities and the events at the Battle of Cygnus Prime.
- 🤔 The potential for redemption among the Traitor Primarchs is considered, with Magnus the Great and Mortarion as the most likely candidates for redemption.
- 🔄 The hypothetical scenarios of Sanguinius falling to Chaos and Magnus being redeemed are explored, with significant implications for the Warhammer 40k universe.
- 🎶 The video concludes with a call to action to support the channel and subscribe for more content, ending with a signature musical cue.
Q & A
What is the main topic discussed in the video script?
-The main topic is the complexity of the Primarchs in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, specifically the potential for some Primarchs to fall to Chaos and the possibility of redemption for others.
What is the significance of the Horus Heresy in the context of the video?
-The Horus Heresy is a pivotal event in the Warhammer 40,000 lore where some Primarchs betray the Emperor, and it serves as the backdrop for discussing which Primarchs were close to falling to Chaos and who could potentially be redeemed.
What is the 'kegi Taurus cyber Dynasty' mentioned in the script?
-The 'kegi Taurus cyber Dynasty' is a product launch featuring over 31 new modular models for the Warhammer 40,000 tabletop game, which includes various units and customizable parts.
Why is Guilliman considered to never fall to Chaos?
-Guilliman is considered incorruptible because he is morally strong, secure, and has shown the ability to overcome attempts at corruption, such as when he quickly overcame and removed a corrupting crown.
What is the role of Ferrus Manus in the context of the video?
-Ferrus Manus is mentioned as one of the Primarchs who would never fall to Chaos due to his strong moral compass and understanding of the inherent evil of Chaos.
Why is Jaghatai Khan considered a wildcard in the setting?
-Jaghatai Khan is a wildcard because neither the Loyalists nor the Traitors knew which side he would pick, as the White Scars had deliberately hidden their abilities and attitudes.
What is the significance of the 'Battle of cygnus prime' in the script?
-The Battle of cygnus prime is significant because it is where Sanguinius, a Primarch, almost fell to Chaos by merging with a demon, but was stopped by another Blood Angel taking his place.
Who is the Primarch with the highest chance of being redeemed according to the video?
-Magnus the Red is considered to have the highest chance of being redeemed, as he had been loyal before the Heresy and his current state is a result of mental instability and resentment.
What would be the potential outcomes if Sanguinius fell to Chaos?
-If Sanguinius fell to Chaos, it could result in either a clear Chaos victory if the Imperium lost one of its greatest champions, or a conflict between Horus and Sanguinius that could lead to the self-destruction of the Traitor forces.
What are the implications if Magnus were to become loyal again?
-If Magnus were to become loyal again, he could share the burden of the Golden Throne, potentially allowing the Emperor to be more active and possibly even regenerate.
Outlines
📚 Speculation on Primarch Loyalty and Redemption
The script discusses the complexity of the Primarchs' relationships with Chaos in the Warhammer 40k universe, focusing on the potential for certain loyalist Primarchs to fall to Chaos and the possibility of redeeming fallen Primarchs. It highlights the upcoming release of the 'Kegi Taurus Cyber Dynasty' miniatures set and the community's response. The narrator proposes to explore which Primarch was closest to falling and which fallen Primarch could potentially be redeemed, starting with eliminating Primarchs known to be incorruptible, such as Guilliman and the Lion, due to their strong moral compass and loyalty to the Emperor. The discussion also touches on the potential for Jaghatai Khan and Rogal Dorn to fall, but ultimately concludes they remained loyal due to their critical thinking and strong will.
🤔 Analyzing Primarch Vulnerabilities and Redemption Paths
This paragraph delves deeper into the vulnerabilities of the loyalist Primarchs, particularly Sanguinius and Russ, and their potential to fall to Chaos. It contrasts this with the possibility of redeeming fallen Primarchs, examining the cases of Fulgrim, Mortarion, and Magnus the Red. The narrator suggests that Sanguinius was the closest to falling due to his insecurities and the incident at the Battle of Cygnus Prime. For the fallen, the script discusses the complexity of their falls and the slim chances of redemption, with Magnus having the highest potential for redemption if his noble shard could be restored and the corruption purged. The paragraph concludes by pondering the significant impact on the Warhammer 40k setting if Sanguinius had fallen to Chaos or Magnus had been redeemed.
🌐 Hypothetical Scenarios of Primarch Side-Switching
The final paragraph presents hypothetical scenarios where Sanguinius falls to Chaos and Magnus is redeemed, exploring the dramatic shifts these events would cause in the Warhammer 40k narrative. It speculates on the potential outcomes of a Chaos-empowered Sanguinius and the implications of a redeemed Magnus on the Imperium and the Emperor's role. The script suggests that Sanguinius' fall could lead to a decisive Chaos victory or internal conflict among the Traitor Primarchs, while Magnus' redemption could alleviate the Emperor's burden and potentially enable his regeneration. The video ends with a call to action for viewers to support the channel by purchasing the 'Kegi Taurus Cyber Dynasty' models before they are discontinued and to engage with the content on social media platforms.
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Keywords
💡Horus Heresy
💡Primarchs
💡Chaos
💡Loyalists
💡Traitor Primarchs
💡Cyber Dynasty
💡Redemption
💡Fallen
💡Gene-seed
💡Warp
💡Legion
Highlights
The complexity of the Primarchs' relationship with Chaos is explored, revealing some were close to rejecting Chaos while others nearly fell to it.
The Emperor's confidence in redeeming fallen Primarchs is discussed, despite his inability to heal himself for over 10,000 years.
The Kegix Taurus Cyber Dynasty launch is announced, featuring 31 new modular models with customizable parts.
A lead time with orders is mentioned due to the overwhelming response to the Cyber Dynasty launch.
The challenge of determining which Primarch could be redeemed and which Loyalist might fall to Chaos is presented.
Gilliman and Lion El'Jonson are confirmed as incorruptible, having never wavered in their loyalty to the Emperor.
Ferrus Manus, Corvus Corax, and Vulkan are identified as morally strong and understanding the evil of Chaos, making them unlikely to fall.
Jaghada Khan's critical thinking and common sense are highlighted as reasons he would not fall to Chaos.
Rogal Dorn's struggle with the influence of Chaos God Khorne is detailed, showing his potential to fall but ultimate loyalty.
Sanguinius and Russ are considered the most likely Loyalist Primarchs to fall due to their insecurities and temper.
Sanguinius's near-fall during the Battle of Cygnus Prime is discussed, showing his vulnerability to Chaos.
The potential redemption of fallen Primarchs is explored, with Fulgrim and Mortarion being unlikely candidates.
Magnus the Red's fall and potential for redemption are analyzed, considering his shattered mental state and noble shard.
The hypothetical scenarios of Sanguinius falling to Chaos and Magnus the Red being redeemed are theorized to drastically change the Warhammer 40k setting.
The video concludes with a call to action to support the channel and purchase the Kegix Taurus Cyber Dynasty models before they are gone.
Transcripts
g'day guys and girl the more Horus
heresy books I read the more I
understand the complexity of the
primarks sure selling your soul to hell
is incredibly stupid no matter the
reasoning but it has been fascinating
seeing just how close some primarks were
to rejecting chaos whilst also seeing
how close some of the loyalist primarks
were to Falling that gave me an idea who
was actually the closest to falling to
chaos and which Trader could be redeemed
and brought back onto the side of the
Loyalists after all the emperor seemed
pretty confident he could manage it and
he hasn't managed to wipe his own ass in
over 10 000 years before you get started
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link is in description below today we'll
pick out one Trader Primark who could be
redeemed and one loyalist Primark who
could have fallen and then we'll see how
the entire heresy or even setting could
have changed let's get into it
the first thing we need to do is to
eliminate the ones we know for sure
starting with the Loyalists who are
never going to fall straight up gillymen
was and is never going to fall to chaos
the chaos gods and Trader primarks knew
this for a fact hence never even
remotely attempted to corrupt him both
attempts the sour g-man's Soul have
failed miserably call Fair on stabbing
G-Man with the cow's corruption knife
did nothing except get his back blown
out not in a sex way G-Man literally
punched a hole in him the second attempt
was when the newly revived gillymen had
a slingshi corrupting Crown placed on
his head that had never failed to
corrupt someone before it took giliman
only a few seconds to overcome it and
then remove it so no G-Man was never
going to fall he was too sensible secure
and morally good for that [ __ ]
despite malcolor and a few others
misgivings the line is also
incorruptable growing up on a cow's
corrupted World hunting cow's beasts as
a child the line was exposed to cows
like a vaccine he knew what it was and
he knew it sucked a dick all attempts to
corrupt him failed and he never wavered
in his loyalty to the emperor the lions
were 10 confirms this as he is extremely
morally good and just wants to protect
mankind whilst murdering the [ __ ] out of
chaos Ferris corvus and Vulcan would
also never fall hence why they were the
three chosen to be killed on isvan
Ferris was too headstrong and had a good
relationship with the emperor corvus
understood the nature of chaos and its
inherent evil hence why he was able to
access his inner warp power and become a
demon despite being free of corruption
and Vulcan is Vulcan no chance the big
cuddly man is going to drink the
Kool-Aid if he is still able to be a
nice dude after all the [ __ ] Conrad
curse did to him a huge wildcard in the
setting was jagada Khan neither the
Loyalists nor the Traders knew which
side he would pick as a the white scars
had deliberately hidden their abilities
and attitudes and B they were always
overlooked which kind of ties in with a
however the Khan was something not many
others were he was not [ __ ] [ __ ]
his display of critical thinking and
Common Sense was wildly impressive and
if you use both of those then you will
never fall to chaos it's the same reason
why Inquisitor eisenhorn can literally
bump [ __ ] chaos all day use its power
for himself basket in it and still be
more or less totally uncorrupted when
Jack and I learned of the heresy he was
bombarded with thousands of messages
saying different things Layman was a
traitor that had killed Magnus Ferris
had just killed fullgram Horus was a
traitor the alpha Legion was both
traitor and Loyalists at the same time
which my new was somewhat the case
Jacoby had no idea what was going on so
he decided to investigate to determine
who was loyal and who wasn't who was a
liar and who was a truther he avoided
conflicts traveled to Prospero spoke to
mortarion and came to the conclusion
that Horus was a bold little traitorous
[ __ ] that could go to hell an opinion
based on common sense and critical
thinking hence he declared himself loyal
and was a steadfast defender of the
Imperium so no jagada would never have
fallen you would also think rogal to be
totally Incorruptible after all the walk
literally bends around him due to his
will he was also the praetorian of
Terror and accepted that he was the
empress tool to be used until blunt and
then discarded however corn took a big
interest in him due to rogal's extreme
ability to get wildly angry I won't
spoil the most recent Horus heresy book
but corn really goes for it and it looks
like rogle is genuinely drinking that
cow's Kool-Aid it's not a willing happy
way to drink it but there does seem to
be some cracks and rogal's will as we
know rogel overcomes this test and
remains loyal in the end so I don't
think he could fall but interesting to
see that there were cracks that leaves
us with sanguineous and Rus you would
think that these two would be the least
corruptable a literal [ __ ] angel and
the empress personal attack dog but with
Lehman's unstable temper and
sanguinisa's deep insecurities there was
a lot to exploit here despite the
Council of Nakia ruling in Russia's
favor and the emperor always been there
for him Russ was angry and feral enough
to attack Magnus in violation of The
Emperor's orders and nearly get his
Legion wiped out during the heresy
multiple times due to his poor
decision-making imagine if Nokia had
ruled against Russ maybe his temper and
bitterness would have become
overwhelming after all the space rules
dealt with the powers of the warp but
were ignorant about it ignorance and
[ __ ] with the walk is a great combo
for getting railed by a demon I believe
that if a few things had gone against
Russ he may have fallen but that is
still a long shot no the only loyalists
who genuinely could have fallen without
changing the law too much was
sanguineous I mean it quite literally
almost happened during the Battle of
cygnus prime sengonius was promised that
if he stepped into a hell casket and
merge with a demon thus falling to chaos
the blood angels would be free of the
black rage and red thirst he was so
desperate and insecure about his Legions
Gene flaws that he was actually going to
do it only stopping because a legendary
blood Angel called meros did it in his
stead sanguinis never would have gladly
Fallen but his benevolent love of his
sons combined with his insecurities
created a huge [ __ ] in his armor for
cats to exploit so sanguinis was the
closest to fall into chaos out of the
Loyalists now let's look at which Trader
could be redeemed well this one is a bit
more complicated as most Traders 4 was
based on a few moments that were more or
less a toss of a coin could have really
gone either way the ones that were
doomed to be Traders were Horus since
it's the Horus heresy and the empress
said that whoever he chose's War Master
would fall Lagos since he was fanatical
and had to believe in a god even if he
didn't like The God angron Who admitted
he would have turned against the emperor
eventually regardless of chaos and
Conrad who was batshit insane and
likewise would have ended up needing to
be put down as his brains shattered
further and further fulgrim is an
interesting one his fall was probably
the easiest to prevent all he had to do
was tell him not to play with the
penis-shaped demon sword and he almost
broke out of his corruption a few times
but once he was Fallen he was done he
was one of the only Trader primarks that
actively chose to become a demon Prince
and is a complete irredeemable piece of
[ __ ] you could argue that clone Grimm is
his path to Redemption but that is
lesser Redemption and more sorrow
replacement I also won't count how far
is omegon as they technically didn't
fall our forest is just a [ __ ] and a
Megan is still loyal or maybe it's the
other way around that leaves us with
potarabo mortarion and Magnus what
Tyrion had a weird fall he hated the
warp yet decided to join the side that
was getting railed by it he also didn't
want to become a demon and while he has
embraced his current situation he also
regularly tries to rebel against nurgle
and is currently in the naughty corner
for doing so when the emperor [ __ ]
slapped tearing in recent law he
literally said that given enough time
and power the emperor could probably
undo the corruption and redeem him so
Morty is a potential candidate per
tarabo's fall wasn't fun for perty he
was manipulated when he was vulnerable
and honestly would have stayed loyal if
the emperor showed him a bit more
respect even when the heresy started
kirti wanted to avoid corruption and was
disgusted with full groomer the dude
even abandoned the siege of Terror
because he realized he wasn't on the
right side and all these traitor
brothers were [ __ ] he has become a
demon but spends most of his time
playing video games and eating Doritos
so if the emperor was to lure him out
give him a hug then banish the
corruption from him we could have a
redeemed perturubo but with more Tyrion
and perty that's a huge if and a massive
long shot no the traitor Primark with
the highest chance of being redeemed is
Magnus Magnus has serious issues when he
was shattered his personality and mental
state ate [ __ ] he lost his ability to
critically think and whilst he has
regained most of his shards his Noble
Shard was lost from him instead being
given to the gray Knights even without
it Bang this isn't that bad sure he
keeps attacking Fenris but you can kind
of understand why at the moment he's
literally just rebuilding Prospero and
calling out to psychists to join him in
a safe haven psych has been arguably the
most prosecuted minority in the Galaxy
thus making Magnus a red Martin Luther
King if the emperor was able to reunite
Magnus with his Noble Shard whilst
purging the corruption from him
something Magnus might not even be
opposed to he could be brought back into
his original form during the heresy
Magnus was almost redeemed a couple
times only being stopped by his own
insanity and impulsiveness due to his
shattering also having tit snitch as his
Patron God a God who is known to
occasionally [ __ ] himself over for the
memes means that anything could happen
to further reinforce this Magnus was one
of the most loyal Sons prior to the
heresy he actually tried to stop Horus
from falling and then try to warn the
emperor when he did he was just bad at
listening and Incredibly arrogant it
also didn't help that multiple powerful
forces were conspiring to [ __ ] him over
his current bad guy state is a result of
extreme mental instability resentment a
added Consciousness and overall just
feeling trapped so Magnus and sanguinius
I always knew the color red was
problematic now let's see what would
change if they ended up swapping sides
let's say sanguineers Falls at cygnus
Prime Horus was scared that sanguinis
would supplant him as War Master which
was a big reason why he tried to get
sanguineous killed chaos sanguinius
would be retardedly overpowered he was
already a beast but a half demon Beast
gets real spicy one of two things would
occur either the impure would be Mega
doomed losing one of its greatest stunts
to the other side resulting in a clear
chaos Victory and maybe even the ending
the cabal was hoping for or the conflict
between Horus and sanguineous partially
fueled by the noble soul of synchronia
still existing deep within his new form
will result in a Horus Horus heresy
where the Traders turn in each other and
Destroy themselves allowing the Imperium
to mop up with the emperor even
surviving literally one extreme or the
other no in between if Magnus was to go
loyal in the current setting let's say
he was captured instead of banished on
Luna when he fought giliman let's also
say they found out where the noble card
was as it is currently lost and then
slapped it into him while the emperor
was come blasting him redeeming him in
all honesty the initial effects wouldn't
be too much Magnus would have no Legion
and would also be deeply traumatized the
emperor would also hide him from the
public due to the complexities of the
politics involved however long term
Magnus would be able to share the burden
of The Golden Throne allowing the
emperor to be more active in the galaxy
and maybe even actually regenerate after
all it's been clearly stated that the
only other person in the Galaxy that can
last on The Golden Throne other than the
emperor is Magnus so the fall of
sanguine saw the Redemption of Magnus
would both massively change the setting
as we know it either giving it a chance
of becoming Noble bright or destroying
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