Austrian Capital Theory | Roger W. Garrison

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Summary

TLDREl script proporciona una discusión detallada sobre la teoría del capital en la escuela austriaca de economía, contrastando sus conceptos con las ideas de otros economistas prominentes como Frank Knight y Milton Friedman. Se explora la importancia de entender la estructura temporal del capital y cómo los cambios en las tasas de interés pueden afectar el ciclo económico, llevando a un crecimiento sostenible o a un cíclico de auge y depresión. La charla destaca la heterogeneidad del capital y su impacto en la producción y distribución de bienes, resaltando la diferencia fundamental entre enfoques estáticos y dinámicos del proceso productivo. Además, se cuestiona la noción de que la producción y el consumo son simultáneos y se aboga por una comprensión más profunda de la teoría del capital para prever y posiblemente evitar crisis económicas.

Takeaways

  • 📚 La teoría del capital austriaca es fundamental para entender el ciclo económico de la escuela austriaca y su importancia en la economía.
  • 🗓️ La estructura temporal del capital, que varía con los cambios en las tasas de interés, es crucial para la teoría económica austriaca.
  • 💡 La distinción entre la teoría del capital de Frank Knight y la de la escuela austriaca se centra en la percepción de la estructura del capital y la importancia del tiempo en la producción.
  • 🧩 La heterogeneidad del capital es un concepto clave en la teoría del capital austriaca, lo que significa que no todos los bienes son intercambiables y cada uno tiene su propio valor y uso.
  • 🌱 La noción de que los árboles crecen en un estado estable y no hay consideración del tiempo en la producción, según Knight y Friedman, es un punto de discusión en la teoría económica.
  • 🔄 La teoría del capital de la escuela austriaca enfatiza la secuencia de etapas en la producción y cómo el tiempo influye en el valor y la producción de bienes.
  • 📉 Las tasas de interés son un factor determinante en la asignación de recursos y en la estructura de producción; una disminución en las tasas de interés puede llevar a un ahorro y reasignación de recursos.
  • 🚀 Un aumento en el ahorro puede resultar en una realocación de recursos hacia etapas tempranas de producción, lo que promueve un crecimiento sostenible si las tasas de interés son verdaderas señales del mercado.
  • 💥 Si las tasas de interés son manipuladas por el banco central, puede resultar en un auge artificial que lleva a un ciclo de burbuja económica.
  • 🤔 La percepción de la teoría del capital varía considerablemente entre economistas, lo que demuestra la complejidad y la diversidad de enfoques en la economía.
  • 🌟 La teoría del capital austriaca proporciona una visión detallada de cómo las decisiones de ahorro y las tasas de interés afectan la planificación de la producción y la asignación de recursos a largo plazo.

Q & A

  • ¿Qué es la teoría del capital austriaco y por qué es esencial para entender el ciclo económico?

    -La teoría del capital austriaco es fundamental para entender el ciclo económico porque proporciona una visión detallada de cómo funciona la economía, particularmente en lo que respecta a la inversión, el ahorro y el papel del banco central en la economía. Ayuda a explicar fenómenos como la inflación, la recesión y el crecimiento económico.

  • ¿Por qué la teoría del capital de la escuela austriaca es crucial para entender el ciclo de negocios?

    -La teoría del capital de la escuela austriaca es crucial porque muestra cómo las decisiones de ahorro y la estructura del capital afectan el crecimiento económico y pueden llevar a ciclos de expansión y recesión. La teoría destaca la importancia de la planificación temporal y cómo las decisiones de inversión pueden afectar el equilibrio económico a largo plazo.

  • ¿Qué es el modelo de etapas de producción de Hayek y cómo se relaciona con la teoría del capital austriaco?

    -El modelo de etapas de producción de Hayek es una representación de cómo los recursos se transforman a través de diferentes etapas antes de convertirse en bienes de consumo finales. Se relaciona con la teoría del capital austriaco al enfatizar la importancia de la estructura temporal del capital y cómo las decisiones de inversión y ahorro afectan esta estructura, lo que a su vez influye en el ciclo económico.

  • ¿Cómo la reducción de las tasas de interés puede afectar la economía según la teoría del capital austriaco?

    -Según la teoría del capital austriaco, una reducción de las tasas de interés puede llevar a una realocación de recursos hacia etapas de producción tempranas, lo que puede resultar en un aumento en la producción de bienes de consumo a lo largo del tiempo. Sin embargo, si las tasas de interés son manipuladas artificialmente por el banco central en lugar de ser una respuesta natural al ahorro, esto podría llevar a un auge artificial seguido por un derrumbe.

  • ¿Por qué la teoría del capital de Frank Knight y la de la escuela austriaca pueden llevar a conclusiones económicas diferentes?

    -La teoría del capital de Frank Knight ve al capital como un stock de factores productivos que producen una flujo constante de bienes de consumo, mientras que la escuela austriaca se enfoca en la estructura del capital y cómo cambia con los cambios en las tasas de interés. Estas diferencias fundamentales en la comprensión del capital y su rol en la economía pueden llevar a conclusiones económicas diferentes, especialmente en lo que respecta a la política monetaria y su impacto en el ciclo de negocios.

  • ¿Qué es la estructura del capital y por qué es importante en la teoría económica?

    -La estructura del capital se refiere a la forma en que los recursos se organizan a lo largo del tiempo en diferentes etapas de producción. Es importante en la teoría económica porque determina cómo las decisiones de inversión y ahorro afectan la producción y el consumo a lo largo del tiempo, y cómo las fluctuaciones en las tasas de interés pueden influir en esta estructura, llevando a efectos en el crecimiento económico y el ciclo de negocios.

  • ¿Cómo la noción de 'capital humano' se relaciona con la teoría del capital austriaco?

    -En la teoría del capital austriaco, el 'capital humano' se considera como una forma de capital, que es la habilidad y el conocimiento acumulados de los trabajadores. Aunque algunos economistas austriacos como Rothbard no estaban completamente a favor del término 'capital humano', la idea subyacente es que los recursos humanos son una parte valiosa del capital de una empresa y que su valor puede ser expresado en términos de su capacidad para generar futuros ingresos.

  • ¿Por qué es difícil establecer unidades estándar para el capital según la perspectiva económica?

    -Establecer unidades estándar para el capital es difícil debido a la heterogeneidad radical del capital. Mientras que las unidades de trabajo (horas laboradas) y la tierra (acres) pueden ser relativamente fáciles de definir y medir, el capital abarca una amplia gama de bienes y tecnologías, cada uno con características únicas que lo hacen difícil de medir de manera uniforme.

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  • ¿Cómo la reducción de tasas de interés por parte del banco central puede afectar la economía de acuerdo con la teoría de Milton Friedman?

    -Según Milton Friedman, una reducción de tasas de interés por parte del banco central tiende a aumentar los precios de los recursos en comparación con los precios de los servicios. Esto podría alentar la producción de dichos recursos, pero al mismo tiempo, los precios de los servicios podrían aumentar en relación con los precios de los recursos, trayendo todo de vuelta a su estado inicial y sin cambios en las tasas de interés.

  • ¿Cuál es la diferencia fundamental entre la visión de la estructura del capital de la escuela austriaca y la noción de 'stock y flujo' de Frank Knight?

    -La visión de la estructura del capital de la escuela austriaca se enfoca en la importancia del tiempo y cómo las decisiones de inversión y ahorro afectan la producción a lo largo del tiempo. Mientras tanto, la noción de 'stock y flujo' de Frank Knight ve el capital como un stock de factores productivos que producen una flujo constante de bienes de consumo, sin un enfoque específico en la estructura temporal o en cómo las tasas de interés pueden afectar esta estructura.

  • ¿Cómo la teoría del capital de la escuela austriaca puede predecir ciclos de auge y recesión?

    -La teoría del capital de la escuela austriaca predice ciclos de auge y recesión al analizar cómo las decisiones de inversión y ahorro, influenciadas por las tasas de interés, pueden llevar a una realocación de recursos que no está alineada con las preferencias de tiempo real del consumidor. Si las tasas de interés son artificialmente bajas, esto puede llevar a un auge temporal basado en inversiones mal orientadas, que eventualmente conduce a una recesión cuando las malas inversiones son reconocidas y se corrige el equilibrio económico.

Outlines

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📚 Introducción a la Teoría del Capital Austriaca

El primer párrafo introduce la teoría del capital austriaco, destacando su importancia para entender el ciclo económico de la escuela austriaca. Se menciona que otros escuelas de pensamiento, especialmente Milton Friedman, no comprenden plenamente esta teoría. Se discute la diversidad de usos del término 'capital', desde el capital bancario hasta el capital humano, y se enfatiza la necesidad de entender la estructura del capital y cómo los cambios en las tasas de interés pueden afectar el crecimiento económico y generar ciclos de auge y depresión.

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🧐 Heterogeneidad del Capital y su Comprensión

Este párrafo profundiza en la naturaleza radicalmente heterogénea del capital, contrastándola con la heterogeneidad del trabajo y la tierra. Se explora la dificultad de definir unidades de capital de manera clara y se cuestiona la noción de que el capital, en su forma más amplia, incluye factores como el trabajo y la tierra. Se destaca la importancia de la temporalidad en la teoría del capital austriaco y cómo esta puede cambiar con las tasas de interés.

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🌳 Desarrollo de la Teoría del Capital en el Tiempo

El tercer párrafo aborda la discusión entre diferentes economistas sobre la naturaleza del capital y el tiempo en la producción. Se menciona la visión de Clark y Knight, quienes ven el tiempo de producción como irrelevante en un estado estable, contrastando con la perspectiva de Hayek y otros austriacos para quienes el tiempo de producción es crucial. Se discute la idea de que la producción y el consumo son simultáneos y cómo esto afecta la teoría económica del capital.

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🔍 Teoría del Capital como 'Black Box'

Este párrafo compara la teoría del capital de Knight con una caja negra, un dispositivo que no requiere que el usuario conozca su interior para funcionar. Se discute cómo el capital se mantiene a sí mismo y produce una corriente de bienes de consumo. Se destaca la idea de que todos los factores de producción, incluyendo el capital humano y la tierra, se pueden considerar como formas de capital en una perspectiva más amplia.

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📈 Efectos de las Tasas de Interés en la Teoría del Capital

Se explora cómo las tasas de interés afectan los precios de los factores productivos y los servicios en la teoría económica. Se describe cómo la reducción de las tasas de interés por parte del banco central puede llevar a un aumento en los precios de los factores productivos y, en última instancia, en los servicios. Se discute la idea de que estos cambios pueden deshacer los efectos iniciales de las tasas de interés y cómo la teoría económica de Friedman sugiere que estos cambios ocurren de manera simultánea, sin tiempo para una depresión económica.

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🏭 Estructura del Capital y Proceso de Producción

Este párrafo se enfoca en la estructura del capital y cómo la producción ocurre en secuencias de etapas, donde la salida de una etapa sirve como entrada para la siguiente. Se discute la importancia del tiempo en la secuencia de producción y cómo la teoría del capital de Hayek se enfoca en la estructura temporal del capital y las implicaciones de las tasas de interés diferenciales. Se destaca la diferencia entre la visión de Hayek y otros economistas como Knight y Friedman en cuanto a la importancia del tiempo y la estructura del capital en la producción económica.

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🌱 Aumento de la Estructura de Producción y Crecimiento Económico

El último párrafo aborda cómo un aumento en la ahorro de los individuos puede afectar la estructura de producción y, por tanto, el crecimiento económico. Se discute cómo el ahorro puede llevar a una realocación de recursos hacia etapas tempranas de producción y cómo esto puede resultar en un aumento en la producción de bienes de consumo a lo largo del tiempo. Se destaca la importancia de que las tasas de interés sean verdaderas señales de la disposición de las personas a ahorrar y cómo esto puede llevar a un crecimiento sostenible, en contraste con un auge artificial generado por la manipulación de las tasas por parte del banco central.

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Keywords

💡Teoría del Capital Austriaca

La Teoría del Capital Austriaca es un concepto fundamental en la escuela económica austriaca que se centra en cómo el capital se organiza y se utiliza en la producción. En el video, se discute la importancia de entender esta teoría para comprender los ciclos económicos y cómo los cambios en las tasas de interés afectan la estructura del capital y, en última instancia, la economía en general.

💡Ciclo Económico

El Ciclo Económico hace referencia a las fluctuaciones en la actividad económica que ocurren a lo largo del tiempo. En el video, se argumenta que la Teoría del Capital Austriaca es crucial para entender los ciclos económicos, y cómo las decisiones de ahorro y las tasas de interés pueden influir en el crecimiento económico o en la aparición de burbujas económicas.

💡Tasa de Interés

La Tasa de Interés es el costo de prestar dinero y un factor clave en la economía que influye en la inversión y el ahorro. En el video, se discute cómo las tasas de interés pueden cambiar la estructura del capital y cómo los cambios artificiales en las tasas, como los realizados por un banco central, pueden llevar a un auge y posterior derrumbe económico.

💡Estructura del Capital

La Estructura del Capital se refiere a la organización temporal y heterogénea del capital en la producción. Se destaca en el video que esta estructura puede cambiar con los cambios en las tasas de interés y es esencial para adaptar los planes de producción a las preferencias temporales de los consumidores.

💡Ahorro

El Ahorro es el acto de mantener una parte de los ingresos para futura utilización en lugar de gastarlos inmediatamente. En el video, se argumenta que el ahorro afecta las tasas de interés y, en consecuencia, la estructura del capital y la producción económica, ya que un aumento en el ahorro puede reallocar recursos hacia etapas tempranas de producción.

💡Banco Central

Un Banco Central es la entidad que controla la política monetaria de un país y tiene la responsabilidad de mantener la estabilidad de la moneda. En el video, se menciona que las decisiones del banco central de reducir las tasas de interés pueden tener efectos a corto y largo plazo en la economía, incluyendo el estímulo de un auge artificial.

💡Homogeneidad del Capital

La Homogeneidad del Capital se refiere a la noción de que todos los tipos de capital son intercambiables y pueden ser tratados como una sola masa. En el video, se cuestiona esta idea y se argumenta que el capital es radicalmente heterogéneo, lo que significa que diferentes tipos de capital tienen propiedades y usos únicos que no se pueden simplificar en una 'masa' de capital.

💡Tiempo de Producción

El Tiempo de Producción es la cantidad de tiempo que se necesita para transformar los insumos en productos finales. En el video, se discute cómo el tiempo de producción es un variable clave en la economía austriaca y cómo afecta la estructura del capital y la planificación de la producción.

💡Fluenciales y Stock

Fluenciales y Stock son términos que describen la producción económica. Un stock es una cantidad acumulada de un bien o recurso, mientras que un flujo se refiere a la cantidad que fluye o se produce en un período de tiempo. En el video, se discute cómo estos conceptos son importantes para entender la producción y la asignación de recursos en la economía.

💡Recursos

Los Recursos son los insumos necesarios para la producción de bienes y servicios. En el video, se destaca la importancia de la asignación de recursos en la estructura de producción y cómo las decisiones de ahorro y las tasas de interés pueden afectar la distribución y el uso de estos recursos a lo largo del tiempo.

💡Economía de Steady State

Una Economía de Steady State es una economía en la que la producción y el consumo se mantienen en un patrón constante a lo largo del tiempo sin crecimiento económico significativo. En el video, se discute cómo la noción de un estado estable puede ser problemática si no se tiene en cuenta la dinámica y la secuencialidad de la producción y la asignación de recursos.

Highlights

Lecture focuses on Austrian capital theory and its importance to understanding the business cycle.

Contrasts Hayekian stages of production model with Frank Knight's concept of capital as a stock yielding a flow of consumption goods.

Discusses the confusion around the term 'capital' due to its varied use in economic contexts.

Explains the Austrian school's concept of capital structure as a temporal pattern of heterogeneous producers' capital.

Critiques the idea that capital is radically heterogeneous, unlike labor and land, and its implications for economic understanding.

Details how changes in interest rates, whether due to saving or central bank intervention, affect the capital structure.

Differentiates between the views of capital maintenance as a technical detail versus a matter of choice.

Explores the concept of capital as the only factor of production, absorbing human capital, land, and other sources.

Analyzes the impact of central bank actions on interest rates and the subsequent effects on the prices of sources and services.

Discusses the steady-state economy and its relation to production time, a concept that is irrelevant in Knight's view but crucial in Austrian economics.

Presents the idea of capital as a 'black box' that maintains itself and yields a flow of consumable output.

Compares the static view of capital in the 'black box' theory with the dynamic market processes in Austrian economics.

Examines the role of saving in reallocating resources towards early stages of production and its effect on economic growth.

Illustrates the structure of production as a triangle representing the intertemporal structure of an economy experiencing growth.

Clarifies the critical differences between Knight's and Hayek's views on capital, interest rates, and the market mechanism.

Warns of the potential for an artificial boom and bust when interest rates are artificially lowered by a central bank, contrasting with sustainable growth from genuine saving.

Transcripts

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okay y'all quiet down at three o'clock

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it works fine this lecture is on

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Austrian capital theory and that that's

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essential to learning about the business

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cycle of the Austrian school and I'll do

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a lecture on that and another day or so

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but I'm going to lead up to it so that

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you can so see just how crucial it is to

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get the capital Theory straight and to

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recognize that other schools of

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economics just don't see it they don't

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they don't see it at all and especially

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Milton Friedman and so I showed you two

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views here one is a Hayekian stages of

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production model you know what that is

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and the other one is the freeing Banyon

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and actually it's naughty and it comes

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from Frank Knight when both knight and

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freedmen were at the University of

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Chicago and I would claim that freedmen

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got just a little too much night to

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understand how the business cycle works

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we're going to neglect changes animal

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spirits okay we'll just leave that leave

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that aside now start out that one of the

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reasons that people get confused about

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capital in Austrian theory or any other

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theory is that the word capital is used

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in so many contexts and so I'll show you

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a few and then we'll zoom in on the

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couple that are at at issue this

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afternoon

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we can talk about bank capital as assets

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minus liabilities or

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net worth you know we know about that

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liquid capital how liquid is it well

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that's cash held by producers for future

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investment so it's that's the you know

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dollar

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Capital hears fixed capital you know

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what that is plant and equipment fixed

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implies durable working capital

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that's goods in process raw materials

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and semi-finished good capitalized value

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that's present value of net future

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receipts so the word is used to mean a

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lot of different things and human

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capital present value of a skilled

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workers future earnings

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rothbard didn't like the use of the word

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human capital and I'm not sure just why

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I think I know and that's because

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business firms have to hire people and

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the capital that those people have are

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their capital not not the producers

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capital but nonetheless that's still

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another use of the word capital now

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we're going to get serious because I'm

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underlining things okay and one of them

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is Frank Knight his concept of capital

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was as a capital stock so it's a stock

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of productive factors that yield a flow

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of consumption good so you'll hear a lot

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this time about stock inflows and then

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you could guess the other one is capital

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structure that's the Austrian school the

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temporal pattern of heterogeneous

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producers capital okay and it's a

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pattern that can change and can change

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by changes in the interest rate and the

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changes based on the interest rates do

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one thing if the rates come down because

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people start saving more

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and it does another thing if it's a

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central bank that pulls them down one

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gets you increasing growth the other one

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gives you boom and bust so that's what

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you want to look for in this lecture so

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trawl the rest of them out and those are

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the ideas of capital that we're going to

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work with now there's a problem of major

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in capital and sometimes it's hard to

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get a handle on this what's what's the

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problem okay

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and one way of saying it is capital as

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heterogenous doesn't get very far a lot

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of things are heterogeneous okay so that

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can't be it

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exclusively another one the C but aren't

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labor and land heterogeneous - well yeah

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yeah so what's so strange about capitals

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let's go on capital is radically

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heterogeneous now that sounds like

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something Ludwig Lachman would say okay

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and that's fine but we need to see what

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it means okay

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so just how radical is capital

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heterogeneity so capital is

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dimensionally capable there are every

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genius it's dimensionally heterogeneous

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all right now let's look at our labor

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land and capital and I've put in some

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units here for you to figure out what

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they are not all units of labor are

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alike well of course not all units of

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land are alike and not all units of

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capital airline well so what's so good

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and what's so strange about capital

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and I'll show you what and you'll be

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able to see just what let's start with

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was labor worker hours that's that's the

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working unit now okay we could talk

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about unskilled labor semi skilled labor

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or

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skilled labor okay but there's still

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heterogeneous but at least we have an

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idea of what the units are and then you

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could guess what it is in land we'd call

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it acres if you're talking farmland and

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of course it can be different grades of

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fertility it can be terrain it could be

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location and so on but we can talk about

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acres if it's residential then of course

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look with the other way if it's

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residential then you know that's another

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way of looking at it now I'll ask you

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what what are the units of capital

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what are those units and you kind of

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hard-pressed to say something and I've

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scoured through a number of well say

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intermediate level macro books to see

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what they say about it right so and so

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here are a few of them they just put

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units on it's they have their

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parentheses there are units of capital

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yeah what are they well let's look at

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even some worse intermediate macro what

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you get doses are counted

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it's not gonna work okay

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chunks and honks I'm not a differential

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no I'm you know I went to the computer

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and just looked up and see what these

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things are and and if that can work okay

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so you know there you got gallons and

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you got pounds and said no that's not

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gonna work

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there's a dose of capital okay there's a

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chunk is it a standard chunk could be in

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a home that's human capital beef broth

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barrage against that - okay now what our

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focus is on is the Austrians and Frank

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Knight and later Friedman right so you

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can see what the the divisions are

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temporal pattern that's that's the

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Austrians and it's not just Hayek it's

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minger Mises shoe Pater bomba burger all

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right it's all about the temporal

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pattern you have to have a time element

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in there and it it can change with the

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interest rate and it's important what

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about what it is that changed the

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interest rate as I've already indicated

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and then stock and flow has a pretty

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antiseptic look it doesn't it doesn't

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have any pattern at all just a stock of

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it and the flow from it right

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now it turns out that that same clash

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came much earlier with of course now

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bomba Varick looking at the temporal

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pattern and John Bates Clark was stock

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and flow okay and I don't I don't see

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much of stock and flow that he had as

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opposed to some of the others and

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Friedman for instance although I have to

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say I have good feelings with Clark but

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that's only because he looks just like

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my grandfather

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well-spotted mad so what about

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production time in the Clark night

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vision and it goes like this you see a

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bunch of trees that have been set out

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and some of them are growing because

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they've been there more time than others

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and Clark would argue and so would night

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and so would freedom them okay that once

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the steady state is reached and I

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underline that then production time is

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irrelevant to relevance and right now

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clue you in that you may not have read

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enough night but night puts quotation

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marks around verbs that make you wonder

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why to do and to me it seems like it

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when he puts quotation marks you just

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sort of crossing his finger like hope

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you'll go for that you know

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so we'll see more of them I'll let you

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look for the quotation marks point them

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out if you don't see him okay

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so trees have a linear maturity

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structure actually log glean here you

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can see the curve a little bit okay each

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period of sampling is set out and a

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mature tree is harvested well okay look

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they're over on the Left we'll start now

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with year one these already got set it

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out okay and so there we've got another

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one okay and then look over at the right

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and you can harvest that true okay and

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so you've got a new tree and yet you've

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got left what you had to start with all

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right because it's a steady state as

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long as you maintain this steady state

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there's no time element involved at all

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according to Knight and Freeman in that

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sense maybe so the next period presents

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us with the same maturity profile all

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right let's see yeah see there grows it

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grows again so that's that's what you

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had before and you don't have to worry

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about time at all okay so here's a look

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at look at the quotation marks okay it's

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the setting out that enables the

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harvesting really is that what enables

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the harvesting and what that means of

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course is that somehow if you're just

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dead set on having a steady-state

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economy with no increase or no decrease

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if you just have to have that then this

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is what you do okay

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now this

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this one just got Hayek he couldn't

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stand it setting out the sapling now

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producers looking close the harvestable

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free now okay and of course Hayek says

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that's just an absurd use of words

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that's all there is to it

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it can't be true and there you go so

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production and consumption are

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simultaneous so don't why kayak why

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you're worried about the time element

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it's the same every every time so this

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is what what night and then Friedman are

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thinking about okay now here's George

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Stigler and stickler courses most of you

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know was at Chicago at the time that

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Friedman was and night was so George

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Stigler defends Clark and dismisses

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bomba Varick on the basis of the

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simultaneous simultaneity of production

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and consumption we can say that any one

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row of trees takes fifty years to mature

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but since there is a constant output of

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timber forever

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there's simply no point in saying and

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then a strange thing that's George

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Stigler and this price is in production

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no that's not it

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it's production production and

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distribution theories in 1941 and that's

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stigler's dissertation under guess who

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Frank not that's the story and we'll get

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one more thing about about stings we

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look at this

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I wrote my dissertation in the history

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of economic thought under Frank ty he

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was so strong minded and so critical a

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student of the literature that it was a

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good many years before I could read

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economic classics through my own eyes

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instead of his I have never brought

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myself to read through my doctoral

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dissertation and that's production and

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distribution theories again because I

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knew I would be embarrassed by both the

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knighting excesses and its immaturity

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that's a stickler who said it at a at a

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talk in the 1984 that and that's it all

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right now we got when I call it black

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box capital fear watch but black box

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capital Theory is it it's like a flight

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recorder on airline that's the black box

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is it really black you know it's orange

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okay it's a joint but the blackness is

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that you don't get to see inside that's

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it you don't just don't look at it okay

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don't open it up so it's any complex

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piece of equipment typically a

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plug-and-play unit in an electronic

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system the specific context about which

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the user has no need to know all right

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now this is a complete analog to the

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capital stock all we need do now though

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so that's the idea that you don't mess

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what's in the box that's that's the

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capital in there see what we can do with

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it

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yeah so you have maintenance of capital

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it sort of maintains itself as you can

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see and a flow of consumption so oh oh I

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want to leave the maintenance of capital

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there because that is just a

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technicality because what that's what

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you're looking at with the capital stock

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the capital stock includes maintenance

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as a there it is technically detail well

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of course this it's not a technical

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detail I mean some people would do more

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maintenance than others you might do it

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once a week or once every ten days once

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every five days whatever you choose to

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do okay and worries about this if it

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goes wrong maybe you should do a little

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more maintenance all right so it it's if

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not a technical detail at all so hence

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the capital stock is permanent it it

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maintains itself it's permanent and they

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say you know I'm saying he puts

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quotation marks every time you turn

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around and that that's actually not

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always because he has another way of

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saying it

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capitals the Gerald O'Driscoll put me

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onto this years ago and I keep

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underlining it in my book on night here

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it is the capital stock is permanent

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well it is safer

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and then a page or two later

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now capital stock is permanent as it

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were what else with a cold capital stock

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is permanent so to speak what can you do

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it's not permanent we're sorry okay so

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the permanent capital stock yields a

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perpetual flow and you think about what

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the quality shion's are in a sense as

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the work so to speak okay so if you go

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for night and that's that's what you've

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got to get into so here we are the

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capital stock we've got maintenance of

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capital we've got flow of consumption

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okay so we have a system of capital

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yielding consumable output all right

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and then he says but really there's only

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one factor of production you thought

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there were three there were only one it

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is capital okay

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so human capital everything everything

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becomes capital land becomes capital and

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so on in the broad sense of sources so

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now we've gone to the idea of sources

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okay good sources much more inclusive

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than just capital as you thought it was

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before you realize there really there's

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only one factor of production

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and sources now look at her maintenance

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of capital well land labor and capital

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are all capital in the broader sense

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right so maintain main maintenance of

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sources is what we look at and look at

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the flow of consumption it's the flow of

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services because Knight doesn't want to

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mess with people who aren't producers

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that nonetheless have things like houses

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that yield a return over time okay he

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wants it he wants it all be services so

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you have to think that everybody's a

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renter or something everybody has a

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service book cause they own a home all

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right now don't try to read this what

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what I read this it just wasn't wouldn't

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work

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let's put the sources up and the

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maintenance of sources and the services

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so that's what we got and I'm gonna try

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to read it for you I may not make it but

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to help me and maybe you are color coded

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so you know where the services are and

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you know where the sources are now

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before I go through this just a wild

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girl is all that's given so this is this

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one is Freeman it goes over to the next

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slide and I'll show you where it comes

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from Freedman so this is Freeman and so

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he's locked into tonight on on capital

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theory okay well I have one blue thing

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up there just to let you know what it's

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about the key feature that's Freeman and

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then I write of the process in which

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interest rates have

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been lowered and has put it that way

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because what they're talking about has

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been lowered by the central bank but

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there's nothing just not that she

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decided that to change her saving habits

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okay it's been lowered okay so and so

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the key feature is that it tends to

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raise the prices of sources okay that

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this student Hornstein of both producer

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and consumer services and those consumer

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services I have to do with houses that

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are rented okay relative to the prices

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of services themselves there really are

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services like the maid or something like

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that if therefore encourages the

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production of such sources and at the

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same time the everything happens here at

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the same time so you don't have any any

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problems during a bust right because the

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whole happens at the same time the

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direct acquisition of the services

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rather than of the sources but these

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reactions in their turn tend to raise

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the price of services relative to the

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prices of sources that is to undo the

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initial effects of the interest rate

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okay so nothing really has happened

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because though time has been allowed for

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anything to happen and it goes on it's

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pretty busy okay the final result may be

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arise in expenditures all directions

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without any change in interest rates at

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all interest rates and asset prices may

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simply be the conduct through which the

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effect of the monetary change is

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transmitted to expenditures without

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being altered at all so everything just

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happens at once essentially and this is

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there's no time for

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a depression or a downturn and this

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comes from Friedman's optimum quantity

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of money and other essays you could look

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it up that's the strange thing so

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essentially he could have said he could

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have said okay so much for that

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Mises you know so it's for that Hayek

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because nothing actually happens all

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right now despite the fact that they're

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talking talking about steady state do

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you realize that things can go awry and

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you can actually grow or you can

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actually train right and so that they

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show how this works do let's see if we

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can do it okay there's a capital stock

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doesn't get much output but everything

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comes back to the capital stock

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it's gone

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alright now this let's just look at

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night and hayek and modulus a Friedman

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and Hayek alright it goes like this

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maintenance is a technical detail Oh

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hiya Quinn degree maintenance is a

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matter of choice capital is permanent no

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capital depreciates but is aldeman able

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capital is the only factor capital is

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heterogeneous and multi specific

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production time is irrelevant in

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production time is a key variable in boy

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is that true in Austrian economics its

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key variable it's all about sources and

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services it's all about temporal capital

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structure it's about stocks and flow

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according to night and it's about

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dynamic market processes according to hi

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hi you can't think of two economists

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that would be that far apart on these

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basic issues but there they are and to

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me it's I don't get it

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with Friedman I don't get it the

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Friedman would pick up on that and the

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only thing I can think of is that he was

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there with Frank Knight and you heard

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what always said what Stiegler said

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about how how he just couldn't read it

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on his own had to read it through 9 as

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reported in March thousand in his vienna

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and chicago very webern and early 1950s

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PhD candidate at the University of

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Chicago reports that Austrian capital

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theory

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was one of those subjects were potent

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verboten in Chicago right he says one of

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those what were some of the others I all

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right now let's look at minger and so

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what's going on here he uses two term

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goods of different quarters goods of the

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seventh order goods of the first order

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the goods of the first order are

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consumption goods so we'll change that

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to consumption good and you have

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higher-order goods and that always

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struck me as strange higher what makes

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up higher and all I can think of it's up

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there at the top of the screen you know

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that's higher you call that higher order

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good put the highest order Goods near

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the top of the screen and Hayek followed

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suit as you'll see shortly so there's a

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higher word goods now what we see here

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is production proceeds top to bottom

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well how could it not you can't start at

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the bottom and go to the top all right

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but value imputation goes from bottom to

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top okay

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some of those parallels what dr. Salerno

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talked about this morning

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you can see what I've done is just

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superimposed high-hat structural

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production that's

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page 56 or whatever in the structure of

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production orders of goods and this this

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thing hood of strange

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took me a long time to wonderful what

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does that mean birthing in another Hayek

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hangers strange and what strange is is

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that you have time coming down the

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horizontal axis well okay but there's

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nowhere else in this world of economics

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where time goes downward always goes

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upward but they've got it goes down with

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you you might think that it crashes at

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the origin or something

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and at the bottom you have consumer

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goods that are flushed out okay

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and that's that's sort of on to clean it

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up a little bit that's that's just

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higher now okay yep I work on this to

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sort of fix it because I didn't like

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this time coming down in that and I

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worked on it quite a while

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Walter block told me I did a good job

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okay so let's see how it works

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[Laughter]

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okay so though the time goes left to

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ride as you would think and the

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consumption comes out of right as you

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would guess okay you know there's a more

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stylized trying well it does not a

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styler that's the triangle

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so we talk about the - triangle it's

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just really the blue part there or

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purple whatever whatever that is

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hi I think triangle yeah production time

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is the sequence of stages we get that

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right now you might all be thinking if

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we're dealing with a capital structure

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isn't that really a simple thing thing

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is simple to way looking at G's but at

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least you have the time element there

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and if you really think that's just too

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simple for you to play with then go to

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pure theory of capital instead of prices

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in production and here's what you'll

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find so you'll be better off with with

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the purple triangle okay okay here we go

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the structure production I think they've

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got time capital base macroeconomics

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disaggregates capital to enter

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temporally consumable output is produced

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by sequence of stages of production the

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output of one stage feeding in to the

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input of the next the temporal

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temporally defined stages or array

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graphically from left to right the

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output of the final stage constituting

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consumable output so there's the

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triangle in stages at least we put the

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stages back in and there's somebody at

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the early stage it looks like he's on

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the ball goes what he's doing

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late stage now that guy's kind of

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loafing and entering customers but show

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up yeah late stage investment activities

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is simple exemplified by inventory

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management

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now I put this and this is a factory it

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says main gate down here and you see the

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main gate over there and you'll see a

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sign that says you are here if you've

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ever gone to look at you you are here

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now what's missing is that one that says

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we are here and the point the point is

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that that almost any factory would be

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producing things that some go one stage

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and some go another and you're not quite

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sure because you haven't read prices and

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production you don't know what is where

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alright so they wouldn't be able to tell

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you where it goes it might be ball

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bearings that are that go to that go to

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mining mining equipment and also go to

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stage board is that early stage your

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late stage so it's really you can't sort

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it out at the industry level for

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pedagogical convenience the initial

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capital structure is shown as having

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five stages with growth the number of

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stages will increase well okay so while

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all five of these stages are in

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operation during each period resources

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can be tracked to the structure of

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production over time let's see this what

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what's that what's the goods in process

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there is oh this is a note here Henry I

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see I can reduce the triangle in 1931

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when Henry Ford was still producing a

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Model A if only Hayek had had PowerPoint

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he could have shown how the abstract

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triangle aligns with real-world output

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we can do that here and that's just to

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show you that the output doesn't fall

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out of the bottom okay you comes to the

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right together the sequence of stages

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format hijacking triangle of summary

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depiction of the economies intertemporal

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structure of production in an economy

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experiencing secular growth the triangle

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increases in size but not or not

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necessarily in shape and that is an

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increase in size if people are saving

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right you know it'll change in shape if

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they decide to save more or save less

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that's what a man watch to the watch the

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structure of production to expand here

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you can see it expands as people must be

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saving but it's the same general shape

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as to triangle when people choose to

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save more the change in their preferred

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temporal pattern of consumption is

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registered by the market the first and

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foremost by reduction in interest rates

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and this see reduced current consumption

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frees up resources in the late stages

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which then can be employed in the early

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stages I should say which some can

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become employed in the early stages so

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it looks like it looks different let's

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see

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so what's the structure production

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respond to an increase in save so sure

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enough see when cane so they he didn't

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have a triangle so when he saw that

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people saved that means they're not

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consuming well if they're not consuming

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why would we be producing and Hayek says

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realizes that notes if they're saving

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that changes the interest rate and it

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makes it makes production better more

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profitable so in Hayek in theory

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increase saving results in a

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reallocation of resources towards the

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early stages of production there the

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differential interest rates that

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sensitivities or the xix theory in

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nineteen theory increasing saving beyond

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capital mainland maintenance requires a

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requirements result in an increase in

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the capital stock but with no

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implications about capital's temporal

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structure that's that's what's lame

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about this you can get a big capital

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stock but it's not spread out just right

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an increase in output of consumer goods

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emerges over time as their as the early

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and intermediate products move through

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the more time-consuming structure of

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production so now now that you have

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saving you can increase faster

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we can see clearly the critical

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difference between night and high if you

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burn through the casing of the high of

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the night in black box we see the hayek

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Hayekian temporal structure of capital

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that allows for differential interest

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rate sensitivities and hence reveals the

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market mechanism that tailors production

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plans to the inner temporal preferences

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if the interest rates are telling you

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the truth about people's willingness to

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save it gets genuine sign a sustainable

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growth if interest rates are being held

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down by the central bank's we get an

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artificial boom followed by a bust so

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that's the end of this one in the start

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of boom bust cycle when I do another you

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okay they're there they are

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thank you

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[Applause]

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you

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