[ English ] Who Created GOD ??? [ اللہ کو کس نے پیدا کیا ] Intellectual ANSWER By Engr. Muhammad Ali

Summary

The video script presents a debate on the existence of God, contrasting atheist and religious viewpoints. The religious speaker refutes the argument that God was created, emphasizing that God has always existed, citing mathematical and scientific principles, such as the Big Bang and the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The speaker argues that creation implies a Creator and addresses the fallacy of infinite regress, stressing that God is uncreated and eternal. He also explains the concept of 'Mini-God' in Heaven, where human wishes are fulfilled by God's will. The discussion touches on theological concepts like pantheism and the attributes of God.

Takeaways

• 📜 The concept that God has always existed and never came into existence is emphasized, contradicting the atheist argument of 'Who created God?'
• 🔬 Scientific theories, like the Big Bang, are discussed as evidence for the universe's creation, countering older theories that the universe has always existed.
• 🌌 The idea of 'Creation Ex-Nihilo' (something created out of nothing) is introduced, pointing to the universe's origin from a state of infinite density and zero volume.
• 🚀 Hubble’s discovery that celestial bodies are moving away from each other supports the idea of a starting point for the universe.
• 🔍 Fine-tuning of the universe and life on Earth is presented as evidence for an intelligent designer behind the existence of complex structures, like DNA.
• 🧠 The Second Law of Thermodynamics (entropy) is used to argue that order cannot come from disorder without the intervention of an intelligent mind.
• 🧬 The complexity of life is compared to a Boeing 747, arguing that just as a plane can't be built from scraps by chance, life can't exist without a creator.
• 📚 Richard Dawkins' response to the complexity argument is critiqued, highlighting the fallacy of infinite regress and pointing to the necessity of an uncreated creator.
• 🕋 The Qur’anic verse from Surah Ikhlas (112:3) is cited to emphasize the belief that God is eternal, uncreated, and self-sufficient.
• 💡 The video concludes with the idea that God's eternal nature and existence beyond human understanding foster deep belief and love for Him, while promising eternal life for believers in the hereafter.

Q & A

What is the central argument of the religious response to the question 'Who created God?'?

The religious response is that God is eternal and was never created. He has always existed and there is no period when God didn't exist. This concept is supported by the idea that God is self-existent and does not require a creator.

How does the speaker refute the idea that the universe could have always existed?

The speaker refers to scientific discoveries, such as the Big Bang Theory and Hubble’s observation of stars moving away from each other, to prove that the universe had a beginning. He explains that the concept of a 'steady-state universe,' which proposed the universe always existed, has been disproven.

What is the 'Creation Ex-Nihilo' concept mentioned in the script?

'Creation Ex-Nihilo' refers to the idea that the universe and everything in it were created from nothing. This concept is supported by the Big Bang Theory, which suggests that the universe began from a point of infinite density and zero volume.

What does the speaker mean by the 'fallacy of infinite regress'?

The 'fallacy of infinite regress' refers to the endless loop that would result if we kept asking 'Who created the creator?' The speaker argues that this cycle must end with a self-existent being, who is uncreated and eternal, as described in religious texts.

How does the speaker use the Second Law of Thermodynamics to support his argument for a creator?

The speaker explains that the Second Law of Thermodynamics states that entropy (disorder) either remains constant or increases. He uses this to argue that the order in the universe cannot arise spontaneously from disorder without the intervention of a mind or intelligence, implying the need for a creator.

How does the speaker address the complexity of life, such as DNA, in relation to the existence of a creator?

The speaker argues that the complexity of life, particularly the structure of DNA, cannot be explained by chance or randomness. He claims that this level of complexity indicates the presence of a 'mighty brain' or intelligence behind the design of life.

What is the significance of the statement 'He neither begets nor is born' from Surah Ikhlas in this context?

The statement 'He neither begets nor is born' emphasizes God's eternal nature, meaning that He was not created by anyone, nor does He create other gods. This supports the idea that God is self-existent and the ultimate source of all creation.

How does the speaker explain the idea of creation in relation to scientific discoveries?

The speaker states that scientific discoveries, such as the Big Bang, show that the universe had a beginning. This supports the idea of creation, which necessitates a creator. He also points out that science explores the physical phenomena of nature but cannot explain the origin of these phenomena.

Why does the speaker mention Richard Dawkins and Fred Hoyle in his argument?

The speaker mentions Richard Dawkins and Fred Hoyle to address the atheist perspective on creation. He critiques Dawkins' argument in 'The God Delusion,' where Dawkins claims that if complex beings need a creator, then God, who is even more complex, would also need a creator. The speaker refutes this by emphasizing that God is self-existent and not subject to the same rules as created beings.

How does the speaker view the relationship between science and religion in understanding creation?

The speaker believes that science and religion are not in conflict but rather complement each other in understanding creation. He argues that while science can explain physical phenomena, it cannot account for the origin of existence, which requires belief in a creator. Religious teachings, like those in the Qur'an, provide the answers to these ultimate questions.

Outlines

00:00

🤔 Questioning the Creation and Existence of God

This paragraph introduces the common argument between atheists and religious believers about the existence of God. The atheist asks, 'Who created God?' in response to believers arguing that the universe cannot come into existence by itself. The speaker, EMAM, refutes the notion that God 'came into existence' by asserting that God has always existed. He emphasizes that God's existence is eternal and proven by established scientific truths, using the Big Bang Theory as evidence to support the creation of the universe from nothing. This establishes the idea of 'Creation Ex-Nihilo.'

05:05

🧠 Discovering Phenomena vs. Creation

This section delves into the difference between discovering natural phenomena and creating them. The speaker explains that while humans can observe and understand how certain processes work, such as the hatching of a chick or the rising of the sun, this knowledge does not make humans the creators of those phenomena. He argues that the presence of intricate designs, such as DNA and natural laws, points to an intelligent mind behind it all. The speaker reinforces the Second Law of Thermodynamics (entropy) to argue that disorder increases unless a mind intervenes to bring order, implying the necessity of a creator to design the universe.

10:05

🔄 The Fallacy of Infinite Regression

Here, the speaker continues the discussion on the logical fallacy of infinite regression in creation. If every creator must have a creator, this chain would extend endlessly. The speaker argues that there must be a point where the chain stops, and that point is with a self-existent, uncreated Creator—God. He refers to the Qur'an (Surah Ikhlas 112:3) to support the idea that God 'neither begets nor is born.' This eternal nature of God is explained as a unique quality, with no beginning or end, and is contrasted with human existence, which is finite.

15:06

✨ The Concept of Godhood in Heaven

The final paragraph explores the idea of individuals experiencing a form of 'godhood' in Heaven, where their wishes will come true without effort. The speaker criticizes those who attribute divine powers to religious figures in this world, but reject the idea of having such abilities in the afterlife. He argues that in Heaven, by God's will, humans will be granted their wishes as a form of mini-godhood. This perspective is seen as a fulfillment of the ultimate blessings promised by God, with the speaker expressing frustration over contradictory beliefs held by some religious sects.

Keywords

💡God's Eternity

The concept of God's eternal existence is emphasized in the video, arguing that God has always existed and was never created. This is central to countering the atheist argument that everything needs a creator, as believers assert that God is uncreated and eternal. The script references this in discussing how God's existence is beyond time and space.

💡Big Bang Theory

The Big Bang Theory is used as evidence for the universe's creation, showing that it had a beginning. The video contrasts this with outdated theories of a steady-state universe and presents the Big Bang as proof of the need for a Creator, connecting scientific discovery to theological arguments.

💡Creation Ex Nihilo

This Latin term means 'creation out of nothing' and is used to describe how the universe came into existence. The speaker argues that both science and religion support the idea that the universe was created from nothing, further implying the need for a divine Creator to initiate this process.

💡Infinite Regress

Infinite regress refers to the logical fallacy of endlessly asking 'who created the creator?' The video refutes this by stating that there must be a starting point, an uncreated Creator (God), to avoid an endless cycle of creators, which is logically unsustainable.

💡Second Law of Thermodynamics

The second law of thermodynamics, particularly the concept of entropy, is invoked to show that natural processes lead to disorder, not order. The video uses this to argue that the order seen in the universe, like the complexity of life, requires a conscious 'brain' or Creator to organize it.

💡Fine-Tuning

The fine-tuning argument is presented as evidence of deliberate design in the universe. It points to the precise conditions necessary for life, such as the distance of the Earth from the sun, and argues that such fine-tuning suggests the involvement of a divine Creator.

💡DNA Complexity

DNA is mentioned to illustrate the incredible complexity of life, which, according to the video, cannot be explained by chance or randomness. The speaker uses this as an example of why a Creator must be responsible for designing such intricate biological systems.

💡Surah Ikhlas

Surah Ikhlas (Qur'an 112:3) is quoted to support the idea that God is uncreated and eternal. The verse 'He neither begets nor is born' is central to the argument that God does not need a creator, addressing the atheist question of 'who created God?'

💡Fred Hoyle's Boeing 747 Analogy

Fred Hoyle's analogy compares the likelihood of life arising without a creator to the improbability of a Boeing 747 being assembled from scrap metal by chance. This analogy is used in the video to argue that the complexity of life necessitates a Creator, just as the complexity of a plane requires a designer.

💡Pantheism

Pantheism, the belief that the universe and God are identical, is briefly mentioned in the video. The speaker distinguishes between this belief and the Islamic understanding of God, while acknowledging the complexity of existence and creation without equating everything with God.

Highlights

Religious believers argue that the universe couldn't have come into existence by chance, while atheists question who created God.

The religious view counters that God is eternal and has always existed, avoiding the concept of God being created.

The Big Bang Theory is discussed as scientific proof that the universe had a starting point, debunking earlier steady-state universe theories.

The discovery of the universe's expansion, observed by Hubble in the 1920s, supports the notion of the universe originating from a singular point.

The argument is made that the complexity of life and the universe requires a guiding intellect or 'mighty brain' to have created order from chaos.

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is referenced, noting that disorder increases without a guiding force, implying a need for a Creator.

The speaker highlights that even if all physical phenomena are understood, it doesn’t explain the creation of the universe itself.

Richard Dawkins' argument from 'The God Delusion' is mentioned, where Dawkins refers to God as the 'Ultimate Boeing 747' in terms of complexity.

The fallacy of infinite regress is discussed, where an endless chain of creators would make no logical sense, pointing to the need for an uncreated Creator.

The speaker refers to Surah Ikhlas from the Qur'an, explaining that God is 'He neither begets nor is born,' implying God's eternal existence.

The speaker points out that scientific discoveries about the universe support the existence of a Creator, but science alone can’t fully explain God.

The concept of entropy is used to argue that only an intellect or divine being could create order in the universe after the Big Bang.

The speaker suggests that understanding the universe’s fine-tuning points to the necessity of a Creator with intent and purpose.

In response to pantheism, the speaker distinguishes between creation and the Creator, rejecting the idea that the universe is part of God.

The concept of eternal life in Heaven is discussed, with the speaker noting that God shares the attribute of eternity with His creations, but not self-existence.

Transcripts

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Questioner: When a denier of God says,

"Everything has been created by chance,

by itself,

or how they use the concept of corollaries

to describe the existence of chances."

In response to this, people who believe in religions

argue that naturally or scientifically, it's impossible.

When the atheist responds,

"Who created God then?"

Then religious side reply,

"God came to existence by Himself, we do not know

or He has been created automatically."

At one side of the table, they are saying, "Nothing can come to existence by itself."

And on the other hand when we ask the question, "Who created God?"

They say God was created automatically.

They dodge their own reasoning.

EMAM: Which ignorant says God came into existence itself?

God never came.

There is no period when God didn't exist.

God didn't come, God has been there for eternity.

First of all, make this very clear to yourself that God has always been there.

We prove this mathematically!

Look, the universal truths that have been established already,

no one should challenge them again.

For instance, 2+2=4 is a universal truth.

If someone tries to make it 5 or 3

then he's doing something absolutely wrong.

If you invent the wheel again,

yet this mathematical equation would remain the same.

Just like that, it has been established

that our universe didn't exist before, It came into existence later.

Do you know, there was this theory

in the 17th or 18th century,

that the universe has always been steady and stationary.

Its been like this forever!

But this theory died.

In the era in which we are living today, no one believes this theory anymore.

not from today but right after Big Bang Theory

when Hubble saw something from a telescope in the 1920s.

Hubble was a giant scientist of America.

He saw the movement of stars from his telescope.

There's a detailed video of mine on this,

also about black holes,

Watch "From Creation to Creator." I have explained in it.

"Who is God" I have explained in it as well

Brother who runs "Hidayah Victory" YouTube Channel

has put valuable addition into all those videos

Hubble saw all the celestial bodies of the universe,

meaning all the stars or planets you see in the sky

have a common aspect, all of them are moving away from each other.

When he drew a spectrum for that:

When the spectrum of light gradually shifts towards red light

it means they are moving away from you.

So, this is logical if these celestial bodies are moving apart from each other

then if we reverse time, there must've been a point when all of it started.

For example, if I hold some balls in my hand

and throw them all together

then all of them will move away from each other.

and this is a Universal Truth

that if these balls are moving away from each other,

then they must have been together at some point.

It is a natural thing.

well,

He said: If we reverse the time

and reach a point when a certain thing started

then scientists explain it was such point

which had an infinite density and zero volume.

volume zero and density infinite

It means "Creation Ex-Nihilo."

"Existence of something out of Nothing."

Then they say when this Big Bang occurred

after this Big Bang

"if there was a disturbance in the trillionth part of a second

then this universe wouldn't exist."

this only is related to its existence

further billions of fine tunings that are on planet earth;

respected to every planet,

distance of earth from sun,

their gravitational force,

its movement, speed, etc

this is a field in which

a man dives and never makes it to the surface. [gets mesmerized]

After considering all these things,

the theory of a steady stationary universe got terminated

and Big Bang got established.

Now "Creation Ex-Nihilo" has been proven.

Which means Humans and Universe got created.

problem was if you would've believed that these have always been here.

If you would've proved humanity is from always and there is no end.

Science has solved this problem of yours!

No, science proves there is creation.

Now if there's a Creator or not, they give their argument for this.

In order to understand these fine tunings, it would take many brains

and intellect to process the perfect structure of DNA.

To understand this harmony,

only to understand; not to create

after all this intellect yet we are only discovering the things.

All of the things which we discover are actually

are only discovery of the physical phenomenon of nature.

Likewise, we have explored that

the sun rises from east and sets in west with respect to the movements of the earth,

[actually sun never sets or rises]

so this a physical phenomenon which we have discovered

This phenomenon didn't create the sun.

If you know the phenomenon, it doesn't mean it is creator of sun.

A chick hatches from an egg.

You keep the egg at a warm temperature

for 22 days under a hen or some machine.

This information didn't create the chick

rather it's just a piece of information about the birth of a chick.

You can dig deep as you want,

ultimately bundles of information would add

but you won't discover anything about Creator.

Even the hen doesn't know which gave birth to it.

Crocodiles or Elephants etc don't know about their qualities.

Who does not know what qualities I'm built-in with

Even a man doesn't fully understand what he's capable of.

Science is exploring it bit by bit.

So, we are not the creators of these qualities.

Perhaps, there is a mighty brain behind which has well-organized all the phenomenon.

Also, this is fully established in mathematics

that behind all of our well-organized affairs, there is a brain.

Without brain no one can design all this

In physics, the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics states

that either entropy remains constant or it increases (disorder).

God forbid if a bomb blasts here

then everything will disperse into pieces.

After this no force on earth

which can arrange it back into this form

This is called Entropy.

That if there is a disturbance somewhere, it increases.

It could be that if you bring more people

then this disturbance will increase or will remain the same.

It won't return back to its original form.

Unless some mind do not intervene

Like terrorists destroyed "Ziyarat Residency of Muhammad Ali Jinnah"

then they built it once again.

It didn't rebuild by itself.

Everything was damaged after the explosion,

but it took budget, brain, and effort to rebuild it.

Then it was organized.

It means, "To form an order, we need a brain.

To create disorder, it takes nothing."

And after the disorder, it takes intellect and brain to form an order again.

Sir, which disorder or Big Bang is this?

A small explosion never organizes things rather it makes everything worse

and such huge explosion (Big Bang) formed such an order

that there are 2 million species on Planet Earth.

Even if you spend your whole life studying just one specie,

you wouldn't be able to cover all of its habits

leave this discussion behind how it was created!

This is a never-ending series!

So, the mighty brain is established

now next step about the brain

Richard Dawkins says in God Delusion

when a statement from Fred Hoyle was quoted to him;

[Fred Hoyle was a great philosopher and a scientist]

He said,

"The Creation of a Man without a creator

is a more complex phenomenon

than claiming that Boeing 747 was made from scrap."

Not even a madman would believe this!

Even such a thing about a Ballpoint Pen, no one would believe it.

He said a man is more complex than these things.

Do you think it has been created without any brain?

Do you know how Richard Dawkins answered this?

He named a chapter with the heading "The Ultimate Boeing 747."

He said, "If such is the case then the biggest Boeing 747 is God Himself!

You are saying that a human is such complex being that it can't come into existence.

Spontaneously.

So the Creator of it is ultimate complex

"The Ultimate Boeing 747"

If such complex creation with having DNA Structure

you guys say can't be spontaneous but some Brain has created him.

So Who has created (human) must be more complex

In a result, He (God) must have a Creator

So, what did we say?

Stop here! Be Patient :)

For the sake of argument, let's agree with you!

But LET'S MOVE FORWARD! Yes.

The Creator who would have made our creator

would obviously be more complex than our creator.

Then he must also have a Creator!

Now you'll be calculating it till Apocalypse, this equation has no end.

UNTIL There's that One Creator

Who is uncreated; self-existent!

So He is, "He neither begets nor is born." [Qur'an 112:3]

"Surah Ikhlas" has the definition. [112th Chapter of Qur'an]

[Arabic] لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ

Sir, Surah Ikhlaas can teach you Mathematics and Physics.

such huge definition it is

We casually memorise it in childhood

that "He doesn't have any father or son."

We're doing an literal translation here,

The actual translation is; "He Himself has not come out of anyone,

nor has anyone come out of Him."

He is eternal.

There is a Hadith in Bukhari that "Satan comes to one of you

he asks 'Who created mountains?"

You say, "God."

He asks, "Who created trees?"

You say, "God."

You reply this to him as an answer when he asks

He asks you different questions and you aswer with "God."

'till he says, 'Who has created your Lord?'

Now you should say on this

[Recites Surah Ikhlas] 112th Chapter of Qur'an

Our Prophet [PBUH] taught us.

God made him [PBUH] our leader for our guidance.

Now with these mathematical equations,

scientific discoveries,

and all the universal truths which God has revealed to human beings,

so now, we can easily explain further about God's existence with the help of those things.

That if there's a Creator of the creator then it should also have its creator.

Therefore a never-ending cycle will start with this. [The fallacy of infinite regress].

Now if you're thinking why we should believe

in the existence of that One Supreme Being?

Because I already have a physical equation that proves my existence.

Creation is there.

If it was a theory that neither there's a creation nor its Creator

then nothing would've forced us into believing this.

But we see this universe around us,

we are alive beings,

we're seeing everything,

and created things are present here.

With all this, we have to look at things from a different angle

and ultimately stop on the existence of a single Creator.

Who is self-existent.

That's why I repeat this in my videos frequently,

"If you ask me

which quality of God is beyond our imagination,

which you can't even explain with an example?"

Look, if God says I hear and see

then we can have a blurred image of how He hears or sees

although mine is granted by God. God has His own.

Mine is limited, God has unlimited.

Mine is dependent, God has independent.

You can imagine everything to a certain extent.

But the quality of God "Eternal Being"

that there has been no point in time when He didn't exist,

is like a blind belief or concept

in which you can't reach a certain conclusion by diving into it.

So this the quality of God we can't share

But the quality of being there for eternity,

He has shared it with you!

With the difference between Creator and Creation,

He will give you eternal life in Heaven!

The attribute of Self-Existence can never be shared

but the attribute of being for eternity,

He has promised you [If you make it for Heaven]

This is the concept that fetches the love of God inside your heart.

That He was alone but He shared this quality

with the difference of Creator and Creation

followed by enormous gifts of Heaven.

You will wish and you'll be granted it.

That's why I devised the term "Mini-GOD"

with the difference of Creator and Creation. [For the sake of explanation]

They have created this concept of Pantheism

although there is an existence other than God

but we never called them disbelievers because of it.

They explain it by saying

pantheism means the actual existence is unique

and all of the rest is His creation though this isn't what they actually believe.

They say "Rest of all is also a part of Him [God]."

We say a'ight, we won't assume badly.

We didn't believe "Wahdatul Wujood" [Pantheism] as a shirk belief on their plead.

We could give a verdict against them

when someone clarifies himself, then no verdict needs to be done.

But these people gave rulings against us.

[bla bla bla]

And see Mufti Saeed Sahib also said,

"Everyone will have their own little godhood."

Mufti Saeed: Will there be any WiFi in Heaven?

Everything will be there.

The things which are out of the imagination of a man will be in Heaven.

"Everyone will have their own godhood, what else do you want?" (×3)

"There will be our own state of godhood, right? So-and-so should happen and so-and-so shouldn't." (×3)

EMAM: Yes! Isn't that it?

The biggest thing,

they say in Heaven you'll make a supplication and then your wish will come true.

There will be no similar ability to [KunFaya Kun] “Be, and it is”

Sir, it is a wish.

And please, you shouldn't even say a thing.

You have some beliefs about your elders

that they used to do a certain thing by just giving it a stare.

You do all of this by a stare in this World.

Did you ever say, "Abdul Qadir Jellani made a supplicationand a deceased came to life?"

They say, "He just used to say GET UP."

You attribute the quality of [Kun Faya Kun] "Be and it is" in this world with your elders

and criticize our belief about having this quality in Heaven that this is "Polytheism"?

Whereas, you believe all of this for your elders even in this world

which is a blatant lie.

We are talking about Hereafter.

[Kun Faya Kun] “Be, and it is” in the sense that after your wish, that thing will come to you.

**Quotes their famous proverb* "If they wanted, they would turn the world upside down with their gestures."

**Quotes their famous proverb* "This is the situation, what will happen to the servants of the beloved?"

With gestures, not supplications.

And they tell us in Heaven nothing would be granted without supplication?

You have earned your own hell in the world by having such beliefs.

And the actual thing, it is there. [ By God's willing ]

Maybe not for you and not for those you believe in.

That's why you're not ready to accept.

It will be for us. [ By God's willing ]

By God's willing