Top Objections to Christianity! (Mark Driscoll Uncut) | Louder With Crowder

Summary

The transcript discusses the art of marriage as learning to be selfless and serving others, contrasting it with the modern culture of intolerance. It highlights Christianity's perceived intolerance and how it manifests in various social issues. The conversation also touches on the importance of setting boundaries in relationships and parenting, and the role of love versus tolerance. The speaker emphasizes Jesus as a positive male role model, advocating for a return to traditional values of humility, sacrifice, and service.

Takeaways

• 💑 The essence of marriage is moving from selfishness to servanthood, a skill not taught in colleges.
• 🔍 A research project by GfK revealed that intolerance is the primary objection to Christianity, followed by sexuality, politics, morality, spirituality, gender, scripture, economics, and counseling.
• 🌐 The perception of Christianity as intolerant is widespread and often plays out in various social issues.
• 📚 The traditional definition of tolerance, which was about enduring differences, has shifted to celebrating all perspectives as equally valid.
• ❤️ The speaker emphasizes that love is more important than mere tolerance, as love involves caring for someone's well-being and encouraging positive change.
• 🚫 Christianity is about setting boundaries and promoting change through repentance, unlike the modern notion of acceptance without condition.
• 📉 The speaker argues that society's current approach, which lacks humility, sacrifice, and service, is not working and leads to widespread unhappiness.
• 🤔 There is a cultural interest in exploring transcendent laws and divine guidance as an alternative to the current societal model.
• 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 The speaker suggests that the Bible's teachings on marriage require work and selflessness, challenging the romanticized but unrealistic cultural ethos that love means unconditional acceptance of everything.
• 💪 Jesus is presented as the ultimate role model for young men, embodying strength, truth, and healthy relationships, countering the false machismo often promoted in society.

Q & A

What is described as the art of marriage in the transcript?

The art of marriage is described as learning to stop being selfish and start being a servant.

What was the primary objection found by the research group GFK towards Christianity?

The primary objection found by the research group GFK was that Christianity is perceived as an intolerant religion.

How did the research group GFK conduct their study on perceptions of Christianity?

GFK conducted their study by calling 900,000 people through random digital dial, having 70,000 conversations, and boiling it down to a list of 18 to 44-year-olds from diverse backgrounds.

What are the different arenas in which the issue of intolerance in Christianity is said to play out?

The issue of intolerance in Christianity plays out in arenas such as sexuality, politics, morality or hypocrisy, spirituality, gender, scripture or authority, economics or greed, and counseling or relevance.

How has the definition of tolerance changed according to the transcript?

The definition of tolerance has changed from enduring each other despite disagreements to celebrating each other's viewpoints and agreeing that everyone is right.

What does the transcript suggest about the nature of love versus tolerance?

The transcript suggests that love is more important than tolerance because while tolerance implies acceptance without the need for change, love involves caring enough to desire a positive change in the other person.

What does the God of the Bible feel about judging according to the transcript?

The God of the Bible feels very comfortable judging, as there is a clear distinction between right and wrong, heaven and hell, good and evil.

What is the main issue with the current cultural ethos regarding relationships as mentioned in the transcript?

The main issue is the pervasive belief that love means accepting everything about a person without the need for self-improvement, which is unrealistic and counterproductive.

What is the role of setting boundaries in a relationship according to the transcript?

Setting boundaries is essential in a relationship as it involves drawing lines for what is acceptable and unacceptable, which is a part of love and care for the other person.

How does the transcript differentiate between false machismo and positive masculinity?

The transcript differentiates between false machismo and positive masculinity by advocating for a role model like Jesus, who was strong, truthful, had healthy relationships with women, and was a servant leader.

What advice is given to young men in the transcript regarding role models?

The advice given to young men is to look up to Jesus as a role model, who exemplified strength, truth, healthy relationships, and servant leadership.

Outlines

00:00

🤔 The Art of Marriage and Addressing Intolerance

The speaker discusses the essence of marriage as the transition from selfishness to servanthood, a skill not taught in colleges. They reference a research project conducted by GFK, which surveyed a diverse group and identified intolerance as the primary objection to Christianity. This intolerance manifests in various social issues like sexuality, politics, and morality. The speaker argues that while Christianity may be intolerant of certain behaviors, it is not comparable to other religions and emphasizes the importance of love over tolerance. They suggest that love involves wanting the best for someone, which may include change and growth, contrasting with the modern definition of tolerance that often requires agreement with all perspectives.

05:01

💑 The Challenge of Marriage and the Role of Men

This paragraph delves into the challenges faced by young couples, particularly the unrealistic expectation that a spouse should love and accept everything about their partner without the need for self-improvement. The speaker uses the biblical concept of two becoming one to illustrate the work required to merge lives in marriage. They also touch on societal values that do not prioritize humility, sacrifice, or service, leading to widespread dissatisfaction. The conversation shifts to the role of men, with the speaker advocating for a return to traditional masculine virtues, emphasizing that leadership and protection are forms of service. They encourage young men to look to Jesus as a role model, highlighting his strength, truthfulness, and healthy relationships with women, as well as his ability to stand up against injustice, as exemplified by the cleansing of the temple.

10:02

😅 The Internet: A Space for Diverse Opinions

In a lighter tone, the speaker acknowledges that the internet, including their content, is designed for a wide range of individuals, even those who may not agree with the views expressed. They humorously suggest that the platform welcomes 'hate-watching,' implying that even those with opposing opinions are part of the diverse audience that the internet serves.

Keywords

💡Marriage

Marriage in the context of the video is discussed as an art that involves moving away from selfishness towards becoming a servant to one's partner. It is presented as a transformative journey where individuals learn to put their partner's needs before their own, which is not a skill typically taught in educational institutions. The video emphasizes that true marriage requires work and a commitment to change and growth, as opposed to the romanticized but unrealistic notion that love means accepting everything about a person without the need for improvement.

💡Intolerance

Intolerance is a central theme in the video, where it is discussed as the primary objection people have towards Christianity. The video suggests that Christianity is perceived as intolerant due to its stance on certain behaviors and practices, which is seen as conflicting with the modern definition of tolerance that demands acceptance of all behaviors. The script contrasts this with the biblical concept of love, which involves caring enough to desire change and improvement, not just acceptance.

💡Authenticity

Authenticity in the video refers to the need for Christians to be genuine in their beliefs and practices, even when they are at odds with societal norms. It is discussed in the context of balancing the criticism of intolerance with the necessity of being true to one's faith. The video suggests that Christians should be open about their beliefs while also explaining the distinction between closed-handed (unchangeable) and open-handed (grace-filled) rules.

💡Love

Love is presented as a concept that goes beyond mere tolerance. The video explains that while tolerance might imply acceptance without the need for change, love involves caring for someone enough to desire a transformative relationship. This is applied to the context of marriage, where love means wanting the best for one's partner and being willing to work on oneself and the relationship.

💡Repentance

Repentance is discussed as a key aspect of the Christian faith, signifying a change in behavior and mindset due to a recognition of one's shortcomings. The video contrasts this with the idea of tolerance, suggesting that while tolerance might accept all behaviors as valid, repentance acknowledges the need for change towards betterment, aligning with the loving nature of God.

💡Gender

Gender is mentioned as one of the arenas in which the issue of intolerance is perceived to play out. The video discusses how traditional Christian views on gender roles and sexuality are often at odds with contemporary societal norms, leading to accusations of intolerance. However, the video argues for the importance of maintaining boundaries and parameters for healthy relationships.

💡Political Correctness

Political correctness is touched upon in the video as a societal force that demands acceptance of all viewpoints and behaviors without criticism. It is contrasted with the Christian concept of love, which allows for the setting of moral boundaries. The video suggests that an overemphasis on political correctness can lead to a suppression of valid moral discussions and an avoidance of necessary confrontations for the sake of improvement.

💡Role Model

A role model, specifically Jesus, is presented in the video as the ideal example for young men to follow. The video emphasizes the importance of looking to Jesus' life for guidance on masculinity, leadership, and service, as opposed to the often distorted views of masculinity presented in modern culture.

💡Selflessness

Selflessness is a key concept in the discussion of marriage and relationships. The video suggests that true love and successful marriages require individuals to move away from a self-centered approach to a selfless one, where one is willing to serve and prioritize the needs of their partner.

💡Parenting

Parenting is used as an analogy in the video to explain the concept of setting boundaries and saying 'no' out of love. It illustrates how love involves not just acceptance but also guidance and discipline, which can be applied to the broader concept of love and tolerance in a Christian context.

💡Masculinity

Masculinity is discussed in the video with a critique of the false machismo often portrayed in media and society. The video argues for a redefinition of masculinity that includes traits such as service, leadership, and protection, drawing a contrast between this and the negative stereotypes sometimes associated with male behavior.

Highlights

The art of marriage involves learning to stop being selfish and start being a servant.

Intolerance is the main objection against Christianity, followed by issues like sexuality, politics, and morality.

The definition of tolerance has shifted from enduring differences to celebrating all viewpoints as equally valid.

Christianity is about change, repentance, and God's love, which aims for personal growth rather than mere tolerance.

God's love is differentiated from tolerance; God loves enough to not leave individuals unchanged.

There is a societal debate on who has the authority to draw moral lines and where they should be drawn.

The concept of love in romantic relationships is often misunderstood as accepting everything about a person without the need for self-improvement.

Marriage requires work to overcome selfishness and become a servant to one's partner.

The cultural ethos currently does not value humility, sacrifice, or service, leading to widespread unhappiness.

There is a search for transcendent law and a better way than the current cultural approach.

The concept of masculinity should be redefined to include being a servant and a protector.

Jesus is presented as the ultimate role model for young men, embodying strength, truth, and healthy relationships.

Jesus' life provides a practical example of how to navigate manhood, leadership, and relationships.

The discussion challenges the false machismo archetype and promotes a positive view of masculinity.

The conversation suggests that the current societal model is not working and encourages considering alternative perspectives.

The importance of drawing lines in relationships and society is emphasized, with a call for a return to moral authority and clarity.

Transcripts

and that really is the art of marriage

is learning to stop being selfish and

start being a servant and that's not a

degree you can get in college that's not

a major you can take but you can't take

underwater basket-weaving

as well as professional protesting to

make sure that people do not come on

campus with whom you disagree so there's

a balancing act this was a little

research project we did some years ago I

sort of figure out one of the primary

objections of the unchurched those that

have never been the D Church that have

left and so we hired I've got a written

down GfK this research group they called

900,000 people random digital dial had

70,000 conversations boiled it down to a

list of 18 to 44 year olds a thousand

people and male female young white black

old rich young you can take your pick

there's infinite gendered places now

yeah yeah yeah etc bucket everybody

number one same thing the main objection

was intolerance okay that Christianity

is an intolerant religion and then I

wrote it down it then plays itself out

in aid arena so the number two issue as

sexuality number three was politics

number four was morality or hypocrisy

number five with spirituality number six

was gender number seven was scripture or

authority number eight is economics or

greed and number nine is counseling or

relevant to know relevance and what our

research showed massive project there is

only one objection

and that's Christianity's intolerant and

then it plays itself out in different

arenas right and you'll see that blowing

up and trending on social media and such

where it's a political issue or a moral

issue or a spiritual issue or a gender

issue or sexuality issue but ultimately

those are just like eight octagons that

the same fight keeps happening

over the issue of intolerance and that's

the primary objection and from everyone

is that Christian belief structures just

simply intolerant therefore it's

unacceptable and how do you deal with

that criticism because the reality is it

is intolerant of some behaviors of some

practices that are self-destructive but

that doesn't it's it's first up it's not

even comparable to let's say some

religions like Islam which we talked

about a lot you're not laughing hands

off but how do you how do you balance

that again with being authentic saying

well okay this is true these these are

closed Hey

rules these are open-handed rules and

explaining that someone who just

blankets you with intolerant well and I

would say first of all the intolerant is

on the left and the right getting its it

doesn't matter you know who you check

for your political persuasion that it

exists on the left on the right and what

we found is actually the dictionary

definition of tolerance has changed it

used to be you think I'm wrong I think

you're wrong we sort of endure with one

another the dictionary definition is now

changed to we're both right and we

celebrate one another which is what you

see in social media unless I waive every

flag and March and every parade I'm

intolerant right and so you know really

what we have now is a change to where

unless you agree with everyone that

everyone is right and everything is okay

you're a taller and the truth is the God

of the Bible is loving and loving is

more important than tolerating because

tolerance says there's nothing wrong or

needs to change with you love says I

care about you and I want a relationship

but I want my love to exchange you and

the God of the Bible loves you know he

tolerates you he'll take you as you are

but he loves you too much to let you

stay as you are so Christianity is about

change in repentance and God is binary

there's heaven there's hell there's

right there's wrong there's God there's

the devil there's truth there's lies and

God doesn't just look at it all and say

Who am I to judge God feels very

comfortable judging and then the

question becomes does God does a parent

does anyone have the right to say no

right that's wrong right you know and if

you do if your parent you're got kids no

I do not I do not have children all

right I've got five so I got us both

covered a fulsome moment but one of the

first things you learn as a parent is if

you love your kids at some point you

gotta say no right exactly well it

everyone has a line of no I mean we even

said right now with the hashtag blue

right the hashtag we're going everyone

we're going on of course everyone agrees

that sexual abuse is wrong now the

traditionalist Christians have a line

long before that saying here are certain

sexual parameters that we believe to be

appropriate for any relationship for

which you get roundly mocked like Mike

Pence even saying I'm not gonna go out

to dinner alone with a woman everyone

has a no line whether it's I don't go

out to dinner alone with a woman or or

sexually free but take a bit take the

marriage issue right right I mean is it

to people is it three people

they have to be over 18 can they be

under 18 the question is not is there a

line the question is where is it drawn

right and anybody who gets morally

outraged has a line somewhere that they

feel has been crossed right and that can

be political left and all right so the

question is not is a line draw and the

question is who has authority to draw

the line and number two where is the

line to be drawn right that's always the

issue and culturally we keep having this

war that wants to have every line being

pencil yes exactly then you made you

touch in a really good point we've

talked about this it's almost sort of

the female rom-com equivalent to

pornography this myth that well love

means that you love everything about me

and accept me exactly for who I am

completely right now that's just not

reality no one is perfect this moment we

hear that although you're perfect the

way you are which is antithetical to

what we believe is Christians but it's

also just non practical if we actually

believe that no one would ever have a

reason for self-improvement and that's a

big thing I think when young people get

married I see that with a lot of friends

who get married this struggle of women

particularly saying well my husband

would love everything abut just for who

I am and a guy going I love my wife but

this really grates me a little bit um

why do you think that's been allowed to

permeate that this sort of cultural

ethos and it's just accepted well you

know the Bible says something radical

and that's that two people become one

and I'll tell you that takes a bit of

work yes I mean if your life is just

train tracks parallel you have your life

I have my life and I'll see you on

vacation and date night that's you know

that's a little easier but if you're

actually gonna be one you're gonna share

one bed one last name one bank account

worship one God you know start one

family leave one legacy for two people

that are innately selfish and that's

what you find in marriage you think boy

this person I married is selfish and

they're thinking the exact same thing

and you're both right yeah and so it

takes a lot of work to become a servant

and that really is the art of marriage

is learning to stop being selfish and

start being a servant and that's not a

degree you can get in college that's not

a major you can take that's not a minor

you can take you know how to be humble

and serve people

now we don't live in the world that that

holds it up is any sort of value but you

can take underwater basket-weaving as

well as professional protesting to make

sure that people do not come on campus

with whom you disagree

balancing act it is yeah yeah yeah and

so that I mean that's but that's the

world we live in and we live in a world

where you know it is not about humility

it's not about sacrifice it's not about

service and everybody's miserable and my

point is it's not working right which

then creates an interest in is there

transcendent law is there a god who's

behind all of this does God have a way

that's better than our way is it a good

idea to draw some lines and say no

somewhere because if your thing isn't

working maybe your thing isn't right the

final question for and then we have to

go we have a lot of young male viewed a

lot of young female viewers but

particularly a lot of young male viewers

who write us a lot who who feel lost one

thing you've touched on and like you

talked about the media totally fault

this is this is not the mark driscoll

that a lot of people would read about on

the internet um you've really touched on

this false idea of machismo and actual

positive traits of masculinity that we

should reinforce and the difference

there and can you explain that some

people who are watching I I do my best

as a ham and Egger

but I've always when I talk about listen

being a man when I talk about being a

good leader when I talk about being a

good husband that is all inclusive of

being a servant being somebody I mean to

lead to protect is to serve and I feel

like a lot of Christians yourself

included haven't misrepresented here's

the false machismo sort of archetype and

then what a positive male role model

would be what would you say to young men

out there well that's a lay up his name

is Jesus man I mean the most influential

person in the history of the world more

books written about more songs sung to

more lifes devoted toward anyone who has

lived in the history of the world and so

you're looking at the most significant

person is a young male who was a virgin

I mean just that in and of itself I mean

he's in his early 30s and he's a virgin

so today we'd add that to the list of

miracles you know but if you're a dude

who's looking for a role model God

became a man he went through the puberty

years he went through the teen years he

went through the 20-something years all

of his friends were getting married he

stayed single and he wasn't wasting his

time he wasn't a was Jesus strong

absolutely strongest person who's lived

in the history of the world was he

truthful most truthful person who's

lived in history the world did he have

healthy relationships with women some of

his closest friends

Mary and Martha were single women that

he had very close friendly relationships

with but they were not immoral they were

not sexual they were not inappropriate

and jesus knows how to give a punch he

knows how to take a punch and so you

know for me it's like if a young guy

can't just sort of see the obvious that

the Bible is about Jesus and if you're

looking for a role model use the same

one who's been working for thousands of

years there is no better there is no

better option there is no better plan

and and so I think I think Jesus makes

sense for everyone but especially for a

young man that's where you got to start

yeah I think that's a good executor sout

there if you just considered an Aesop

fable as the first step all right that's

let's let's go with that that's a good

jumping-off point also wasn't a big fan

of the temples turned over some tables

so not a weak man I bet you he did his

deadlift sir at least rectals I was told

Pat Robertson was the strongest man in

the world so not good say you could

dress 1,400 pounds but I know that those

numbers can be confused as weird and

there's a pulley involved all right if

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