Aafia Siddiqui: 'Victim of all victims' | Part I | Centre Stage
Summary
TLDRClive Stafford Smith, a civil rights lawyer, discusses the case of Aafia Siddiqui, a woman linked to the aftermath of 9/11, who was allegedly subjected to the US rendition and torture program. Siddiqui, once on the FBI's Most Wanted list, is serving an 86-year sentence in Texas for attempted murder. Smith details her ordeal, including the separation and alleged abuse of her children, and her own experience in secret prisons. He challenges the US government's narrative of her case, highlighting the flaws in America's 'war on terror' tactics.
Takeaways
- 😲 Aria Sadiki's case is one of the most shocking examples of the rendition and torture program used by the US after 9/11.
- 🇺🇸 After the September 11 attacks, President George W. Bush initiated the 'Global War on Terror,' which led to new policies targeting suspects, including the use of torture and secret detentions.
- 🧑⚖️ Civil rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smith took on Aria's case in 2023, after learning about her ordeal through her dedicated sister, Fia.
- 👩 Aria Sadiki, a PhD graduate from MIT, was arrested in Pakistan with her three children, and was later sold to the Americans, likely for a bounty of $55,000.
- 🪖 The US rendition and torture program involved transferring prisoners to secret 'black sites' and Guantanamo, where many were held without charges and subjected to severe interrogations.
- 👶 Aria's children were separated from her during the arrest, with one reportedly killed after being dropped, and the others taken to secret locations in Afghanistan.
- 🤥 Aria has never been formally charged with terrorism, despite claims linking her to Al-Qaeda, and many of the accusations stem from erroneous information or forced confessions.
- 🛑 The US government denies that Aria was ever held in a secret prison, but multiple sources, including other prisoners, confirm she was held and tortured in a dark cell in Bagram, Afghanistan.
- 🚸 Aria was subjected to extreme psychological and physical torture, including being raped by guards, while her children were allegedly used as a tool to manipulate her during her imprisonment.
- 💔 The trauma inflicted on Aria and her children has had lasting effects, with her son now a doctor but deeply affected by the ordeal, and her case is a grim reminder of the flawed practices during the war on terror.
Q & A
Who is Aafia Siddiqui and what is her connection to the events following the 9/11 attacks?
-Aafia Siddiqui is a woman who was put through the rendition to torture program by the Americans. Her case is intrinsically linked to the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, where she was accused of being an enemy of the state and is currently serving an 86-year prison sentence in Texas for attempted murder.
What was Aafia Siddiqui's educational background, and how did it play a role in her case?
-Aafia Siddiqui completed her undergraduate degree at MIT and then pursued a PhD at Brandeis. She was an educationalist, not a scientist, contrary to misinformation suggesting she was capable of creating weapons due to her education.
What is the significance of Clive Stafford Smith's role in Aafia Siddiqui's case?
-Clive Stafford Smith is a civil rights lawyer who has represented multiple Guantanamo prisoners. His involvement in Aafia Siddiqui's case is significant as he has been advocating for her release and has been uncovering details about her rendition and the treatment she faced.
What was the impact of the 9/11 attacks on the American psyche according to Clive Stafford Smith?
-Clive Stafford Smith suggests that the 9/11 attacks had a profound impact on the American psyche, leading to a series of actions including the invasion of Afghanistan and the establishment of Guantanamo Bay.
How did the 'war on terror' policies initiated by President George W. Bush affect individuals like Aafia Siddiqui?
-The 'war on terror' policies led to the establishment of extraordinary rendition, where individuals like Aafia Siddiqui were transferred to black sites and Guantanamo Bay without charge, subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques, and often tortured.
What is the 'bounty program' mentioned in the script, and how does it relate to Aafia Siddiqui's case?
-The 'bounty program' was a US initiative offering money to people in Pakistan and Afghanistan to turn in individuals suspected of being terrorists. Aafia Siddiqui was reportedly abducted and sold to the Americans for such a bounty.
What happened to Aafia Siddiqui's children during her abduction?
-During Aafia Siddiqui's abduction, her children were separated from her. One child, a baby, was reportedly dropped on his head and killed. The other two were taken to Afghanistan and subjected to unspeakable things.
What was Aafia Siddiqui's situation in Pakistan prior to her abduction?
-Aafia Siddiqui was living in Boston with her husband and had completed her PhD. She was not charged with any terrorism-related crimes at MIT, and her involvement with certain causes was misconstrued to label her as an extremist.
How did Aafia Siddiqui end up in Pakistan, and what happened to her there?
-Aafia Siddiqui went back to Pakistan to be with her family in Karachi. Her marriage fell apart, and she was on her way to the airport with her children when she was abducted by individuals who surrounded their car.
What are the allegations against Aafia Siddiqui, and how do they compare to the actual facts of her case?
-Aafia Siddiqui was accused of having ties to Al-Qaeda and fundraising for the group, which Clive Stafford Smith dismisses as nonsense. The actual facts of her case involve her being an educationalist, not a scientist or physicist as was suggested by misinformation.
What is the significance of the statistic that 99.5% of Guantanamo Bay prisoners have been released, as mentioned by Clive Stafford Smith?
-The statistic is significant as it indicates that the majority of those held in Guantanamo Bay were found to be effectively innocent, suggesting a failure in American intelligence and raising questions about the validity of Aafia Siddiqui's imprisonment.
Outlines
😱 Torture and Rendition Post-9/11
The paragraph discusses the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, where the US initiated a global war on terror, leading to the establishment of detention facilities like Guantanamo Bay and the practice of rendition to torture sites. Aria Sadiki, a woman with a detailed history, was subjected to these practices. Clive Stafford Smith, a civil rights lawyer, shares her case, highlighting her story as an example of the extreme measures taken by the US to prosecute perceived enemies of the state. Aria, once on the FBI's Most Wanted list, is serving an 86-year sentence in Texas for attempted murder. The narrative includes the impact of 9/11 on American policy and the public psyche, the CIA's role in transferring suspects, and the introduction of 'enhanced interrogation techniques.'
🎓 Aria's Academic Background and Misunderstandings
This section delves into Aria Sadiki's life before her imprisonment, focusing on her academic achievements at MIT and her pursuit of a PhD at Brandeis. There's a correction of misconceptions about her field of expertise, clarifying she was an educationalist, not a scientist or physicist as some believed. The paragraph also addresses allegations of her ties to Al-Qaeda, which are refuted by Clive Stafford Smith. The narrative continues with President George W. Bush's response to 9/11, including the declaration of a war on terror and the establishment of policies that led to Aria's eventual rendition.
🚔 The Arrest and its Aftermath
Paragraph 3 recounts Aria's arrest in Pakistan, the separation from her children, and the traumatic events that followed. It describes the US government's use of 'bounty programs' to capture suspected terrorists, often leading to misinformation and wrongful imprisonment. The narrative also touches on the personal lives of those affected, including Aria's divorce and her children's experiences in US custody. The paragraph highlights the US government's denial of Aria's rendition and the discrepancies between official statements and the accounts of those who were there.
👥 Aria's Children and the Consequences of Rendition
This paragraph focuses on the experiences of Aria's children following her arrest and rendition. It details the abuse and imprisonment they endured, including being held in dark rooms and prisons. The narrative also discusses the US government's statistics on Guantanamo Bay detainees, highlighting the majority were eventually found to be innocent. The paragraph emphasizes the lasting impact of these events on Aria's family and the broader implications of the US's rendition program.
🗣️ Testimonies and the Ongoing Struggle for Justice
Paragraph 5 discusses testimonies from other prisoners who confirmed Aria's presence in Bagram and the conditions she faced, including sexual abuse and psychological torture. It also mentions a planned attempt on Aria's life, which she narrowly escaped. The narrative underscores the ongoing fight for justice and the揭露 of the US government's actions, despite their denials and attempts to cover up the truth.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Rendition
💡Torture
💡Guantanamo Bay
💡9/11 Attacks
💡War on Terror
💡Black Sites
💡Al-Qaeda
💡Enhanced Interrogation Techniques
💡Bagram
💡Aafia Siddiqui
💡Clive Stafford Smith
Highlights
Aria sadiki's case is a shocking example of the rendition to torture program post-9/11.
Aria was abducted with her three children, highlighting the personal impact of such programs.
Clive Stafford Smith, a civil rights lawyer, represents Aria and shares her story.
Aria's case is linked to the global war on terror declared by President George W. Bush.
Enhanced interrogation techniques were used, affecting many like Aria.
Aria was a student at MIT, contrary to misconceptions about her being a physicist.
The 'war on terror' led to policies like extraordinary rendition, affecting Aria's life.
The US offered bounties for suspected terrorists, leading to false accusations.
Aria's husband's innocent purchases were misconstrued due to post-9/11 prejudice.
Aria's return to Pakistan led to a bitter divorce and her eventual abduction.
Aria's children were separated from her and subjected to abuse.
The US government's statistics on Guantanamo Bay prisoners are called into question.
Aria's case stands out due to the involvement of her children and the severity of her ordeal.
Aria was reportedly sold to the US for $55,000 by people allied with Pakistan's president.
Aria's children were taken to Afghanistan and treated inhumanely.
Aria was held in a secret prison in Afghanistan, contrary to US denials.
Aria's experience in Bagram prison was corroborated by multiple independent witnesses.
Aria was subjected to severe abuse, including rape, while in captivity.
Aria's children were used in second-degree torture to make her confess.
Aria's case reveals the extent of the US government's misinformation and denial.
Aria was almost turned into a suicide bomber in a plot orchestrated against her.
Transcripts
when I met Aria um and I started
learning about her case really is the
one that shocks me more than anything
else she's the only person we have a
detailed history of who was put through
the whole rendition to torture program
by the Americans who was a
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woman in the wake of the September 11
attacks in 2001 the US president at the
time George W bush launched what he
called the global war on terror in the
process Bush authorized new policies and
programs to hunt down and punish those
who the Americans accused of being
responsible that included the CIA
transferring suspects to Black sites
around the world and to the US military
prison in Guantanamo Bay Cuba many
people were held without charge without
evidence and subjected to what became
known as enhanced interrogation
techniques
taking Center Stage today is Clive
Stafford Smith a civil rights lawyer and
Council for multiple Guantanamo
prisoners His Highest profile case and
most notorious is that of AIA sadiki AIA
sadiki was once one of the FBI's Most
Wanted suspects today serving an 86-year
prison sentence in Texas her story is
intrinsically linked to the aftermath of
the 9/11 attacks but more than 20 years
later Aria's ordeal is far from Over Our
Guest Clive Stafford Smith shares the
details of her case and explains why he
believes her story is an example of some
of the shadiest dealings and shocking
methods that the Americans used to find
and prosecute someone perceived as An
Enemy of the State cly Stafford Smith
thank you for joining us on Center Stage
that's great to be here in January 2023
you took on the case of Aria sadiki a
52y old woman serving an 86-year prison
sentence in Fort Worth Texas for
attempted murder tell me why you decided
to represent her well I was in Pakistan
actually and I just got three of my
pakistanis out of
Guantanamo and um aia's older sister FIA
who if you're ever in trouble you want
to have fer as your sister she CED me
and said would I go see afia
and stupidly I thought oh I just got rid
of three of my clients so now I must
have time so I went to see AIA in Texas
because I was going there on a death
penalty case and uh oh boy when you meet
her it's very hard to say no you've had
a great deal of experience with guantan
Bay you have seen many prisoners the
traumatizing effect it's had on them
what makes Aria's case different from
those others you've represented well
you're right I mean I've had 87 people
I've represented in GMO and various
others elsewhere and I will say speaking
as an American if you transported me
back to 2000 it would never occur to me
that I would spend so much of my life
talking to people about how America has
tortured them but when I met Aria um and
I started learning about her case really
really it's the one that shocks me more
than anything else when she was first
abducted and sold for a bounty to the
Americans by the pakistanis wasn't just
her she had her three children along and
the very first thing that happened was
apparently they dropped one child on his
head the baby month and apparently
killed him although no one's ever
admitted that and they took the other
two kids age three and six took them a
thousand kilometers up to
Afghanistan uh and did pretty
unspeakable things to them too and I
think and you don't have to be a parent
to realize that that's something that's
about as shocking as anything you could
do so maybe we set the scene on
September 11th 2001 you have the
deadliest attack on us soil that came to
be known as 9/11 that this event shakes
the country to its core it has such an
effect on the American psyche and that's
important because it sort of explains
the series of um and with that events
that then unfolded right I mean you
probably remember as I remember where
you were on 911 everyone remembers I
think they were I was in Louisiana and
suddenly the whole place was a ghost
town and I have to say since I was born
and raised in Britain I totally
underestimated the impact of 911 on
americ at the time or now at the time
okay um and so when all of this started
happening and they were talking about
invading Afghanistan and then Guantanamo
and all these things I thought you know
this is mad this is a terrible idea and
the first thing I was going to do was
sue them over it and I could find no one
among my liberal defense lawyers during
death penalty because that was the
magnitude it was aming of what had
happened it had totally shapen America
up well 5 days later on September 16th
2001 President George W Bush declares
The Crusade the war on terror against
Al-Qaeda and terrorist
groups where is Aria sadiki at this
point where is she living and what is
she doing Aria was doing just finishing
off her PhD so she had done an undergrad
degree at MIT uh and then a PhD at
brandise and you know this is actually
the first place that everything goes
wrong for her because everyone has
always thought that she was some sort of
neuroscientist scientist person who
could do all these things she was really
an educationalist this is the basic
facts of the case that even her her
profession and her expertise there is
misinformation about this they honestly
thought that she was because she went to
MIT some sort of physicist who could
make a nuclear bomb whereas I've had
really interesting chats with her about
her PhD thesis and it's about how to
teach your children but the terrorism
charges were never actually brought
against her she's never been charged
with anything at MIT when she was
studying she who were her friends who
were her colleagues she was um you know
she was young she was a student she was
already you know she's a sincere Muslim
she's not the extremist that some people
make out but you know she was passionate
about certain causes she was passionate
for example about how there shouldn't be
a genocide against Muslims in Bosnia um
but I seem to recall so as President
Clinton um and so she was involved in
some of those causes but she was most
involved in trying to get her education
degree so she could be an educationalist
because there are allegations that she
had ties to al-qaed here and that that
uh she might have been involved in
fundraising for the group yeah yeah
that's total nonsense I mean if anyone
has ties to Al-Qaeda as me I represented
dozens of them but but um but nothing
old
statement on September
17th President Bush issued a secret memo
that empowers the CIA to to move against
groups that might be planning terrorist
activities and this bit is maybe
relevant to to Aria and many others that
you've represented one day later he
signs into law the authorization for the
use of military force what does that
allow the government to do well it's a
very good question what it really allows
the government to do what unfortunately
it let the government do was Institute a
whole process of rendition to torture
now they call it extraordinary rendition
although I really don't know what
ordinary rendition is it's called
kidnapping in normal language and when I
first went to Guantanamo Bay um I
thought I was going to have a lot of
explaining to do for a lot of people who
really were captured on the battle
fields of Afghanistan and I got down
there and I had a devil of time finding
people who had actually ever been on the
battlefield of Afghanistan and honestly
I couldn't understand it for a long time
until I learned about the Bounty program
and it turns out that the US was
offering a lot of money to people in
Pakistan particularly but also
Afghanistan to turn in people who
supposedly were Fighters and one thing I
always like to ask my students is um you
know I'm offering you a quarter of a
million dollars here to turn one of your
colleagues in for being in Torah Bora uh
in 2002 are you going to take it I mean
I like to think that I wouldn't but hey
if my circumstances were different got
to pay that mortgage off um I'm afraid
that's a huge amount of money to people
in certain parts of the world and it
it's actually marari president Sheriff
who boasts in his book that more than
half of the Guantanamo prisoners were
literally sold to the US for these
bounties um and this and they weren't in
Afghanistan you know a lot of the people
including someone like Muhammad El gani
aged 14 was in Karachi had never been to
Afghanistan um but they were turned in
for all this money along with a story
about how they were Al-Qaeda and thereby
Begins the Vicious Cycle right because
if I were to say to you maram are you a
member of
al-Qaeda what are you going to
say absolutely not okay now I'm going to
slap you I'm afraid yeah are you a
member of al-Qaeda well it depends how
many times you
slap yeah yeah so they were tortured
into confessions and the people who are
doing that torturing and not doing it
because they think you're innocent
they're doing it because they think
you're lying and when you finally admit
you are a member of al-Qaeda they think
aha we were right all along and this is
what was going on and I think it's a big
mistake to think that these are all evil
torturers who are trying to take
innocent people and put them in prison
it's much more dangerous than that
they're going to put you in prison and
then you've now confessed that you're
Al-Qaeda and at that point how are you
going to prove you're not why did the
Americans
accept accept what those stories well
because said they had paid good money
yeah someone said that Mariam is a
member of al-Qaeda I've now got you to
admit you are so the Americans have got
yeah them to admit yeah but we we
thought you were to begin with because
some informant told us normally from the
Pakistan military I think the
intelligence people have been
unbelievably naive one of my guys benam
Muhammad who some people will be
familiar with confessed when he was
being abused that he knew how to build a
nuclear weapon now the Americans were
obsessed with this understandably you
know they're really paranoid about
Al-Qaeda getting nuclear weapons um but
it wasn't until I got in as his lawyer
that we were able to get the real story
out which was that he had said that you
get uranium you put it in a bucket you
swing it around your head for 45 minutes
that divides uranium 235 from uranium
239 Bob's your uncle that's your weapons
great he was tortured into saying this
he was tortured into saying that but
then this filters back through Chinese
Whispers to the White House and John
Ashcroft Attorney General of the United
States interrupts his visit to Moscow to
say we've just solved a nuclear bomb
plot it's just shocking but that's one
example of literally hundreds of things
that I've come across over the last few
years we go now from 2001 to 2003 you
have 9 11 you have uh various changes
that the Bush Administration puts into
place in order to prosecute this war on
terror you have the invasion of
Afghanistan where is Aria now in 2002
Aria was in Boston and she was living
with her husband there was an incident
where amjad the husband had bought
various things on the internet which
included night vision goggles now he's
Muslim and I speak again as an American
when I say and I'm sorry about this I
really think it's awful the Prejudice we
had against Muslims after 911 was awful
the FBI went by amjad and afia's
apartment confronted amjad with the
stuff he' bought he says oh well I'm a
Hunter and uh you know this is why I get
him and they took that at face value I'm
Amazed by that I'm amazed he wasn't
arrested on the spot actually under
those circumstances but all of that went
into the files that would later get
reviewed by you know some intelligence
person you know somewhere in Washington
and all of this begins to add up to a
portrait allegedly of AIA and her
husband she has three children at this
point she had two at that point she had
two at that point so then how does she
go from living there to being back in
Pakistan she wanted to go back to her
family in Karachi amjad hadn't finished
his medical degree so he wasn't quite so
Keen he wanted to finish it but they
went back to
Karachi uh and that's where their
marriage really fell apart they got into
a very bitter divorce she was then
pregnant with the third child sulaman
who was born in September 2002 she's
taking a taxi to Karachi
Airport they're going to fly to Islam
Abad because she has plans now for her
career
as they're going to the airport and Aria
really blames herself for getting the
taxi to take a back route but it's then
that these cars surround their car and
um what happens is this so there are all
these goons pull first the two older
kids out there's Ahmed age six maram age
three and they put them in another car
Ahmed recalls but he was a very
traumatized six-year-old he recalls
looking out through the back window and
seeing sulan the
six-month-old on the ground with blood
surrounding him thinking that he'd
fallen on his head that's actually the
only source we have for the fact that
sulaman may be dead and we don't know
for sure but at the same time apia is
dragged out of the car herself and put
in another car she's the only person we
have a detailed history of who was put
through the whole rendition atour
program by the Americans who was a woman
and I thought originally you know
there's going to be a lot of explaining
to do about what happened to these
people but this is
ultimately the reality and these are the
figures of the United States government
not me there have been 780 prisoners in
Guantanamo if you set aside the nine
people who sadly died there that's
771 there are only uh 13 of them who
haven't been cleared as being
effectively innocent so
99.5% of the people in Guantanamo Bay
have been released for which you need a
finding by the six top intelligence
agencies of America that they're no
threat to anyone they're not the worst
of the worst terrorists in the world
these are the American statistics the
catastrophe of our intelligence in
Guantanamo and I've seen a lot of this
over the last 20 years is just unbeliev
believably bad Americans were offering
as you said huge amounts of money for
people and with air I think it was
$55,000 reportedly paid to people allied
with then Pakistan president mashara to
abduct her and turn her over to the
Americans but as you've said the thing
that distinguishes her case from the
others is the children she had three
small children with her the children is
really something so ahed who I've talked
to about this he Now 26 and he's a
qualified doctor really delightful young
man but deeply traumatized and he
recounts how he was taken to a dark room
really dirty Place held there for a
little bit then he's a US national right
because he was born in the US um then
he's taken by the US a thousand
kilometers from where he was in Karachi
to cabal and put in a prison and he's in
a prison for the next 5 years you know
what are you doing I I just think this
is so deranged that America would do
that to him then you've got Mariam who
was three and she was taken again to a
dark room a separate dark room from
Ahmed and then she was taken up to cabul
where she was forcibly adopted into a
family of American white PE Christian
people uh Josh and Natalie uh who had to
have been in intelligence agents there
in Afghanistan and she's held by them in
adoption but she's called Fatima and
she's held there for seven years they
were taken from Pakistan to
Afghanistan AIA is
imprisoned Ahmed who's five or six years
old is put in a juvenile prison he's
told his name is Ali and to never speak
of any of this again and Mariam becomes
Fatima and is adopted by a white
American couple living in kble on the
apparent theory that you know you're
better off being a white Christian
American and a Pakistani Muslim of a
certain color Mafia now is in
prison and well you say that right but
the Americans deny it the Americans deny
it the Americans deny to this day that
Aria was in a secret prison in
Afghanistan where was she in ording to
the US they have all these different
things is all nonsense but they say she
was wandering around Pakistan with her
children and in fact was living in a
place called
nazimabad in uh Karachi for 5 years
which just a hops given a jump from
where her family lives total nonsense so
the Americans are making false claims
about her there's a version where
they're saying she was just wandering
around aimlessly and you know but she is
during this time in in Bagram well the
only reason we know that is because I've
been there several times and found a
bunch of prisoners who were in baground
with them the first one was a guy called
Saleem cuch um Saleem came forward
because he's been itching to tell
someone this for the last 15 years so he
told me the whole story about how he was
in the isolation place and apia was
being held in this little wooden box how
did you know it was her well this was
obviously my question and I started
talking to all sorts of other people who
claimed the same thing so first she was
Pakistani spoke ear everyone recognized
that second what happened was that and
I've been to Bagram and I've talked to
lots of people who were there at the
time that there were no showers and
toilets in the iso area and so they had
to take this woman from there to the
showers they would put a towel over her
head but a lot of the time that came off
and they will s and so they were really
upset about this the male prisoners were
upset that uh when this when this woman
were that she was there or that they
were able to ident that she was there
and then what happened is when they got
out they saw pictures of her and a whole
series of independent people recognized
her as the woman they had seen them
there's no question she was abducted
with the children we have a recording of
one of the officers who did it he didn't
know he was being recorded at the time
but he boasted about everything they did
so then for the Americans to be telling
the truth they have to have let her go
that never happened she's told me what
happened to her and she was later then
taken to a women's prison a women's
place it was some dark side where she
was in a room with two Afghan women and
you know this is where it gets really
really awful um she was raped by the
gods they were Afghan Gods uh she
describes getting with the other women
tying their hands together so when this
guard came in the next day they took him
down and beat him up um you know more
power to her frankly but then she was
put in an isolation cell and the abuse
got worse while she was in those prisons
the US had a one-way gloss and they were
you know seemingly abusing children on
the other side of the last that she was
meant to think were her children the
Spanish Inquisition 500 years ago knew
that second degree torture was worse
than first degree you know you can
torture me I'm not happy about it but if
you do something to my son in front of
me my
child you know that's far worse and Aria
told me about this she said I had to
stop them doing this and in the end the
only thing I could think to do was
pretend I didn't care um because I
thought that was the only way to stop
them abusing those children in front of
me and what a place to be in to to have
that thought going through to your head
in part two of this episode civil rights
lawyer Clive Stafford Smith talks more
about the injustices around the
imprisonment of his client Aria sadiki
and how he says that through sheer luck
she barely escaped an attempt on her
life this is a very important element is
it a discovery you've made recently that
could be very important in this case she
was going to go to GNE on this bus she
was going to be tired as a suicide
bomber and she was going to be killed
there to watch the conclusion of this
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