This Is The End Of Netanyahu’s Era In Israeli Politics: Former Israeli FM | Dawn News English
Summary
TLDRFormer Israeli Foreign Minister Zippy Livni discusses the ongoing conflict with Hamas in Gaza, criticizing Netanyahu for divisive rhetoric and unwillingness to pursue diplomatic solutions. She argues Netanyahu is focused on political self-interest rather than Israel's security needs or allies like the U.S., predicting his political downfall. Livni advocates working with regional partners on an interim security framework and transition plan for Gaza involving elements of the Palestinian Authority, believing the conflict's resolution will shape Israel's future security and relations with Palestinians.
Takeaways
- 😀 Livi says she's not surprised the Gaza war is taking so long due to the asymmetrical nature of the conflict.
- 😟 There is division in Israeli society again due to Netanyahu's statements and unwillingness to consider plans, including from the US.
- 😠 Eisenkot called for elections soon, saying Netanyahu has not been truthful about the war's progress.
- 😡 Netanyahu is trying to divide Israelis over Palestinian statehood when unity is needed.
- 🤔 Israel needs to work with regional partners like Saudi Arabia to find security solutions and opportunities.
- 😩 Netanyahu is missing the chance to create a better future by rejecting the two state solution and PA.
- 😖 The PA or some Palestinian entity is needed to control Gaza - the only other options are Hamas or Israel.
- 😣 Netanyahu is losing support while his opponents gain - this may be the end of his political career.
- 😕 Israel needs a leader who can work with the US and allies on security, unlike Netanyahu now.
- 😢 Releasing the hostages is crucial for Israel's security and solidarity.
Q & A
Why does Livi say it takes time to resolve the war with Hamas?
-Livi says it takes time because it is an asymmetrical war between Israel, a country, and Hamas, a terrorist organization. Israel is looking for victory while Hamas is looking for survival.
What does Livi say is the message if Eisenkot and Bigards quit the Israeli war cabinet?
-Livi says that would signal they are no longer able to influence the course of events.
What does Livi say should be the focus regarding Hamas and Gaza?
-Livi says the focus should be on finding an alternative to Hamas to ensure Israel's security while working with allies, especially the United States.
Why does Livi say Netanyahu is not using the opportunities before him?
-Livi says Netanyahu is not using the opportunities to create a better future, like the potential for normalization with Saudi Arabia. Instead, he is dividing Israeli society.
What does Livi say should happen in Gaza?
-Livi says there should be a Palestinian regime in place in Gaza, whether the PA or another entity that will work with Israel on security and be responsible for Gazans.
What kind of interim arrangement does Livi propose for Gaza?
-Livi proposes entering an interim period to work with regional partners and the U.S. to take steps towards putting a Palestinian authority in place that would ensure security.
Why does Livi think this is the end of Netanyahu's political career?
-Livi says Netanyahu has been losing in polls to his opponent Gantz for many years, signaling the end of his time in Israeli politics.
How does Livi characterize the difference between Biden and Netanyahu's leadership?
-Livi says Biden is rightly supporting Israel without regard for U.S. politics, while Netanyahu is only thinking of his own political interests instead of Israel's security.
Why does Livi say Israel needs the U.S. as an ally?
-Livi says the U.S. is critical for Israel's strategic security needs in areas like deterrence against threats like Iran.
What approach does Livi recommend towards the U.S.?
-Livi recommends having a leader who knows how to work together with the U.S. and allies to define Israel's security needs.
Outlines
🗣️ Livy Discusses Netanyahu's Leadership and Relations with Hamas
Livy says she's not surprised the Israel-Hamas war is taking long due to its asymmetrical nature. She notes Netanyahu's unwillingness to accept US-backed ceasefire plans has divided Israeli society. She agrees with criticism that Netanyahu hasn't been truthful about the war's progress and thinks elections are needed.
😕 Livy Recommends Replacing Hamas' Control of Gaza
Livy says Israel shouldn't occupy Gaza but needs to enable a different Palestinian regime there as the long-term alternative to Hamas' rule. She argues the decision on Gaza's future is urgent and interim steps should be taken with regional and US support.
🤝 Livy Emphasizes Aligning Security Interests with US
Livy criticizes Netanyahu for prioritizing his political interests over Israel's security needs. She argues Israel needs a leader who can work with the US and allies on security while pursuing a regional peace vision. She believes Netanyahu is losing public support.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Hamas
💡hostages
💡Netanyahu
💡Gaza
💡two-state solution
💡Palestinian Authority
💡War cabinet
💡deterrence
💡Regional security
💡indiscriminate bombing
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Transcripts
joining me now is veteran Israeli
politician former foreign minister Cil
Livi she's known Netanyahu for years
having worked both in opposition to him
and in Coalition with him Zippy Livy
welcome back to the program um can I
start by asking you are you surprised at
this stage 108 days since the massacre
and then the war on Hamas that all of a
sudden this anger these divisions within
the Israeli uh system are spilling out
into the
open well I'm not surprised that the war
takes so long because this is an
asymmetrical war between a country uh
and the terrorist organization we are
looking for victory they are looking for
survival so it takes time uh but the
fact that we have more than 100 hostages
uh that were taken uh and the statements
of uh prime minister netan
about the day after or his unwillingness
uh to deal with the uh different plans
that are on the table including by the
United States create now uh the division
again amongst the Israeli Society so
were you surprised like a lot of people
were that gadd Eisen Cott who's
generally very well respected in your
country is a member of the war cabinet
and observer member uh made that rather
you know quite blunt
intervention on Israeli television
firstly calling for elections
immediately or as soon as possible uh
saying that the Prime Minister had not
been telling the people the truth about
what was happening on the ground let me
just play a small sound bite and have
you
react we need within a few months to
return to the Israeli voter and go to
elections in order to renew trust
because at the moment there is no
trust so why is is there no trust do you
agree with him that there is no
trust uh firstly I am glad that uh Eisen
cot and bigards are part of the Israeli
War cabinet because I trust them more
than I trust the others there and the
moment in which they decide to quit this
is for me a message saying that saying
that they are not influencing anymore uh
the cause of things uh but I think that
in these are dramatic moments not only
only in terms of Israeli politics but
this will Define the future Israel
security the future of Israel and the
Palestinians in Gaza and therefore uh I
think that we should all focus on what
is the alternative for Hamas how can we
keep Israel's security and how to work
with and not against our allies and the
first and foremost the United States
that stands with Israel since day one
and offer some ideas about Regional uh
security matters uh the Saudis are
speaking about normalization and of
course they cannot abandon the
Palestinians but this can create uh new
opportunities for the future and I'm so
sorry that uh the Israeli Prime Minister
that netan is not uh using this
opportunity to create a better future
okay can you explain why I mean look
people have known that he has been
essentially against a two-state solution
from the beginning of his mandate when
he first got in power in 1996 but now
he's coming out and saying it publicly
and saying it in response to as you say
his biggest back of the United States
not to mention the entire uh uh you know
allies and and Western Community and as
you said some of the Arab states which
want to normalize with uh with Israel
for Israel security and and and the
like why is he saying this and and is it
what why why do you think he's saying
this netan now is netan tries to divide
the Israel Society on the same old
campaign who is for or against the
Palestinian state is also saying that
the pa the Palestinian Authority is like
Hamas they are all the same so we
shouldn't first uh Aid or help or uh
accept the presence of the PA in Gaza
STP and related to the establishment of
a Palestinian State now I do believe
that there's a need to take care of
Israel security uh this is crucial these
days but the real question how can we
for we form a different uh security
structure uh regionally and frankly when
we uh need to choose uh who will control
Gaza so the option the real options are
Hamas no way Israel Israel doesn't and
shouldn't take care of of two millions
of Palestinians that are there we don't
want to reoccupy Gaza we just need to
take care of our security so the third
option is a Palestinian regime uh
whether it's the PA or others but we
need to deal with it we need to give an
answer to this now because otherwise the
Hamas will continue they can you know
try to survive the next day to uh be the
regime in Gaza again and threatens not
only Israel but also uh the Palestinians
in Gaza and therefore this is truly
urgent to make this decision now it's
not the day after in the future it's
here and now so you just said that uh he
and many of his supporters equate the
Palestinian Authority with Hamas I mean
do you believe that to be the case given
the fact that it is the entity the
Palestinian entity that has recognized
Israel that works with Israel uh by and
large for the for the most part do you I
mean is that is that a smart thing to
tell the people of
Israel of of course it's not the same
but I would say the following I'll speak
about our interest it's not for me to
choose the Palestinian leadership but
yet it need to be clear by the in entire
International Community that it's not
going to to be Hamas or any terrorist
organization and we need the regime that
is willing to work with Israel on
security and give legitimacy to Israel
when we need to Fight Against Terror
also within Gaza Strip and to uh to be
responsible to the life of of the
Palestinians that are there so uh uh
whether it's a new PA renewed PA
Palestinian Authority or others it's
less important but these are the
parameters these are the conditions and
for now uh well the Palestinian
Authority is not uh um cannot um work or
fight Terror within Gaza Street that's
for sure it's too weak but I think that
we need to enter into an interim period
of time and try and work together with
regional stakeholders with the United
States to make to to begin these steps
uh toward the future and uh without any
hesitation and how do you think that's
going to happen if the prime minister is
just saying no who's going to make that
happen and as I said you know the
pollsters say that he apparently if it
was hisley could party going to
elections he's got like 16% compared
which is like you know less than less
than half of what Betty gance has at
about 37% who's going to create and
enable what you're just saying the need
to work with your partners uh to create
a final you know
peace well it's clear that for many
years I'm Nan's opponent is now losing
in uh polls and I do believe that this
is the end of Natan in Israel politics
and I do hope that those that will
replace him from a a center part of
Israel politics will adapt uh these uh
views that is a combination of Israel
security needs with a vision uh for the
future and hopefully a new Regional
structure and can I ask you about the
United States I mean what is the cost to
an Israeli leader or is there no cost of
dissing uh uh you know rejecting your
closest Ally particularly a president
who got up and showed the world that he
supported Israel in its hour of
desperate need uh embraced the Prime
Minister himself despite policy
differences supported uh the the the
right to self-defense and frankly the
way the war is being conducted very
worried about it now even calling to
stop quote indiscriminate bombing is
there a cost to a an Israeli leader who
publicly disses the president of the
United
States uh I I do believe that all that
the Israel public and most of the
Israeli politician I truly
appreciate uh uh the uh American
Administration who stands with Israel
since day one trying to help uh share or
show uh uh deterrence to others
including Iran and kisala that at first
uh we all all uh were um worried that
this can turn into a regional Ro uh and
this is the right thing when these
Horrors uh this uh uh Hamas as a terror
terrorist organization did these Horrors
and we are grateful and in a most um
appalling way it looks like uh the
American president is doing the right
thing without taking care of his own
internal politics while the Israeli
Prime Minister minister is just thinking
about his own politics without taking
care of of Israel's security needs as he
should and therefore it's not just about
being polite uh but it is also about
Israel security needs we need the United
States it's part of Israel uh strategic
uh security needs and uh therefore you
know Nan's campaign is I'm the only one
who can say no know to the International
Community including the United States
and I believe that we need a leader who
knows how to work with the United States
and our allies in defining Israel's
security needs and working together with
them and this is missing these days so
Zippy Livy you just questioned
netanyahu's self-described role as Mr
security and many Israelis question it
um and we know that and we've seen the
polls but I want to ask ask you this Gad
Eisen Cott said it is time to tell the
people the truth about a the war on
Hamas that that there's still two-thirds
of them at least by your own
calculations still are surviving but
most or maybe more importantly for the
people is the fact that you know the
military might as we are told has not
brought back your hostages most people
believe that it was a negotiation it was
a deal it was you know there was a pause
and you got back half the hostages half
of them
remain what do you think is I mean it
looks like Israelis believe that too I
mean they went into the knesset
today no I think that we there is no
Israeli who is not thinking now about uh
one-year-old uh hostage that was taken
with his parents and his brother and or
about the hostages and this is the most
important goal goal of of this war but
it's also clear that we can't afford
Hamas as a regime the next day and
therefore what I'm suggesting and we all
support uh the war against Hamas but I
do believe that since we don't want to
see them and nobody wants as a regime uh
the idea of working together with uh
deciding now who's going to replace them
can uh uh lead to uh a deal on the a
and also another regime at the end of
this war the sooner the better but the
war is being supported as the need to
release these hostes
because uh on one hand you have Israel's
Security on the other it's about
Israel's solidarity which is part of our
strength and we need to do it we need to
to have
both
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