Ujian Reformasi: Perlawanan Mahasiswa (Part 1) | Mata Najwa

Najwa Shihab
25 Sept 201916:07

Summary

TLDRIn this episode of Mata Najwa, Najwa Shihab hosts a discussion on recent nationwide protests in Indonesia sparked by controversial legislation. The episode highlights the voices of student leaders and experts who express concerns over the weakening of anti-corruption efforts and the lack of transparency in the legislative process. Despite attempts to invite key government figures, some declined to respond. The show emphasizes the students' peaceful protests and their demands for accountability from the government. Najwa facilitates a dialogue between student leaders and political figures, exploring the reform movement's challenges.

Takeaways

  • 🎶 Music and applause open the show, hosted by Najwa Shihab on Mata Najwa.
  • 📜 The focus is on nationwide protests against controversial legislation being rushed through parliament.
  • 🤔 Concerns are raised about the lack of public consultation and the exclusion of citizens from decision-making.
  • 📣 Student movements are pushing back against what they perceive as a weakening of anti-corruption efforts and democracy.
  • 🧑‍🎓 Atiatul Muqtadir, president of UGM's student council, stresses the organic nature of the student movement, fueled by the weakening of the KPK and problematic legal reforms.
  • 👨‍🎓 Royyan Abdullah Z from ITB discusses the diversity of student alliances and the frustration over unfulfilled promises by government officials.
  • 💬 Despite requests for dialogue, students feel their demands, particularly regarding anti-corruption and the RKUHP bill, have been ignored.
  • ❌ A promised meeting between students and the DPR (parliament) failed to materialize, increasing tensions during protests.
  • 🗣️ Fahri Hamzah, deputy speaker of the DPR, downplays the claims, suggesting dialogue is always available in parliament and blaming violent elements for missed opportunities.
  • 🤝 Najwa Shihab emphasizes the importance of keeping promises and facilitating open dialogue between the government and protesting students.

Q & A

  • What is the main theme of the 'Mata Najwa' episode discussed in the transcript?

    -The main theme of the 'Mata Najwa' episode is the 'Ujian Reformasi' (Test of Reform), focusing on the protests against controversial legislation and the perceived corruption and weakening of anti-corruption efforts.

  • What is the context of the demonstrations mentioned in the transcript?

    -The demonstrations are a form of protest against legislation that is seen as arbitrary and against the spirit of reform, particularly concerning the weakening of the Corruption Eradication Commission (KPK) and the controversial Criminal Code Bill (RKUHP).

  • Why does the host, Najwa Shihab, express concern about the legislative process?

    -Najwa Shihab expresses concern because the legislative process seems to be closed off from public scrutiny and is not addressing the aspirations of the people, which she believes is leading to suspicion and a lack of trust in the government's reform agenda.

  • Who are the guests invited to the show to discuss the student movement and the legislative issues?

    -The guests invited include student leaders such as Atiatul Muqtadir from BEM KM UGM and Royyan Abdullah Z from KM ITB, Haris Azhar from Lokataru, Asfinawati from YLBHI, legal expert Bifitri Susanti, and representatives from the government including Pak Moeldoko and Fahri Hamzah, among others.

  • What is the significance of the 'Reformasi Dikorupsi' (Corrupted Reform) statement mentioned in the transcript?

    -The statement 'Reformasi Dikorupsi' signifies the students' and public's disillusionment with the current state of reforms, suggesting that the original ideals of the reform movement, particularly in combating corruption, are being undermined by recent legislative actions.

  • What was the outcome of the students' attempt to meet with legislative representatives as described by Royyan?

    -Royyan describes that despite initial agreements to meet, the students' demands were not directly addressed by the legislative representatives. There was a lack of follow-through on the agreed-upon meeting, leading to continued protests and a sense of unmet aspirations.

  • Why does Fahri Hamzah, the Deputy Speaker of the House of Representatives, believe that the DPR (House of Representatives) is not avoiding dialogue?

    -Fahri Hamzah argues that the DPR is inherently a place for dialogue, with diverse parties, religions, and opinions. He explains that legislation requires debate and input, and that the DPR is not avoiding dialogue but is instead actively engaging in the legislative process.

  • What specific actions did the students take to ensure their voices were heard, as described by Fatur and Royyan?

    -The students organized peaceful demonstrations, long marches, and attempted to deliver their demands to the DPR. They also tried to schedule meetings with legislative representatives and sought public attention through media to ensure their voices were heard.

  • What was the response from the government representatives regarding the students' demands and the incidents of unrest?

    -The response from government representatives was mixed. While some acknowledged the need for dialogue, like Fahri Hamzah, others, such as Pak Moeldoko, did not directly address the specific incidents of unrest or the failure to meet the students' demands as promised.

  • What is the significance of the 'Ujian Reformasi' title in the context of the episode?

    -The title 'Ujian Reformasi' signifies a critical examination of the reform process in Indonesia, particularly in light of the recent protests and legislative actions. It implies a test of the commitment to the principles of reformasi, such as transparency, democracy, and anti-corruption efforts.

Outlines

00:00

🎙️ Introduction and Overview of the Demonstration

Najwa Shihab introduces the show 'Mata Najwa' and sets the context for the episode, which focuses on the widespread demonstrations across various cities protesting controversial legislation. She questions whether the voices of the people are truly being heard and highlights the importance of addressing public concerns. Najwa also introduces key guests, including student activists, legal experts, and government representatives, who will discuss the issues surrounding the protests and legislative actions.

05:00

🎓 Student Leaders Address the Concerns Behind the Protests

Student leader Atiatul Muqtadir expresses frustration over the accusations that the student movement is being manipulated or is politically motivated. He clarifies that the movement is rooted in genuine concern over the weakening of the KPK (Corruption Eradication Commission) and the rollback of anti-corruption reforms. Muqtadir emphasizes that the movement's aim is to restore the spirit of reform, particularly in combating corruption. The discussion also touches on the problematic articles in the RKUHP and the importance of addressing these issues. Another student leader, Royyan Abdullah Z, recounts the chronology of the protests and the challenges of organizing such a diverse group of students.

10:03

🔍 Challenges in Dialogue and the Frustration of the Protesters

The conversation shifts to the difficulties faced by the protesters in engaging with the government and legislative representatives. Despite attempts to initiate dialogue, the student leaders express disappointment over the lack of meaningful response from the authorities, particularly regarding the commitments made during previous meetings. Royyan explains the frustrations that led to the escalation of the protests, noting that the students had hoped for a productive dialogue but were met with indifference, which only fueled their determination.

15:04

🔥 Escalation of Protests and Missed Opportunities for Dialogue

The discussion highlights the escalation of the protests on September 24th, where tensions rose, leading to confrontations with the authorities. Fahri Hamzah, a former student activist and current Deputy Speaker of the DPR, defends the role of the DPR as a place for dialogue and debate, acknowledging the complexity of legislative processes. However, the student leaders counter by emphasizing the unmet promises and the lack of genuine engagement from the authorities, which contributed to the unrest. Najwa Shihab concludes the segment by announcing a continuation of the dialogue, aiming to address the issues further in the show.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Reformasi

Reformasi, or 'Reformation' in English, refers to a series of political, economic, and social reforms that took place in Indonesia following the fall of the New Order regime in 1998. In the context of the video, Reformasi is used to highlight the ongoing struggle for democratic principles and the fight against corruption, which are central themes of the student protests being discussed.

💡Demonstrasi

Demonstrasi, meaning 'demonstration' in English, is a term used throughout the script to describe the mass gatherings and protests that occurred in various cities. These demonstrations were a response to controversial legislation and served as a form of public dissent, illustrating the citizens' desire for transparency and accountability from their government.

💡Legislatif

Legislatif, or 'legislative' in English, pertains to the process of making laws and the branch of government responsible for this task. In the video, the legislative process is a point of contention, as the students and public are concerned about the transparency and democratic integrity of the laws being proposed and passed.

💡Korupsi

Korupsi translates to 'corruption' in English. The video discusses the weakening of anti-corruption measures, such as the revision of the KPK (Corruption Eradication Commission) law, which has sparked public outrage and is a driving force behind the student protests. The term is central to the video's theme of upholding the ideals of Reformasi.

💡RKUHP

RKUHP stands for 'Rancangan Undang-Undang Hubungan Pers' or 'Bill on Press Relations' in English. It is a controversial piece of legislation mentioned in the script that has been criticized for potentially undermining press freedom and democratic principles. The protests are partly a response to this bill and others like it.

💡Dialog

Dialog, meaning 'dialogue' in English, is a recurring theme in the script. It represents the need for open communication between the government, legislative bodies, and the public. The lack of dialogue is seen as a failure to address the concerns of the people, particularly the students who are protesting for their voices to be heard.

💡Masyarakat

Masyarakat translates to 'society' or 'community' in English. The term is used to emphasize the collective voice and concerns of the Indonesian people, especially in the context of the protests. It highlights the role of the public in holding the government accountable and participating in the democratic process.

💡Pemantauan

Pemantauan, meaning 'monitoring' or 'oversight' in English, is mentioned in relation to the need for transparency in government actions and legislation. The script suggests that a lack of oversight can lead to corruption and a disregard for the public's interests, which is a key concern for the protesters.

💡Presiden Mahasiswa

Presiden Mahasiswa refers to the 'Student President' or the leader of a student body. In the script, the Student Presidents of various universities play a significant role in organizing and leading the protests, reflecting the student community's active engagement in advocating for their rights and societal reforms.

💡Aspirasi

Aspirasi, meaning 'aspirations' or 'hopes' in English, is a term used to describe the desires and goals of the student protesters. The script discusses how these aspirations, such as anti-corruption measures and democratic principles, are not being met by the current legislative actions, leading to the protests.

💡Pengesahan

Pengesahan translates to 'ratification' or 'approval' in English. In the context of the video, it refers to the process by which laws and legislation are officially accepted or confirmed. The script raises concerns about the ratification of certain controversial bills, which the protesters believe do not align with democratic values.

Highlights

Introduction by Najwa Shihab, addressing ongoing protests against controversial legislation.

Najwa emphasizes the urgency and suspicious nature of rushed legislative actions.

Students voice concerns over the weakening of anti-corruption efforts, particularly the controversial KPK law revisions.

Atiatul Muqtadir highlights the organic, academic-based origins of the student movement and rejects accusations of external influence.

The student movement is rooted in the fear of regressive steps in fighting corruption, calling it a test of reform.

Royyan Abdullah explains the diversity of student alliances from various regions, which led to a large protest.

Students express frustration over the absence of a meaningful dialogue with the legislative body, despite prior agreements.

Royyan recounts how a prior agreement with DPR officials was dismissed, leading to further disillusionment.

Despite peaceful intentions, students were met with unfulfilled promises and unanswered demands, deepening mistrust.

Fahri Hamzah, Deputy Speaker of DPR, acknowledges that the parliament is meant to be a space for dialogue and debate.

Fahri highlights the complexity of legislative processes and stresses that public input is essential, but often slow.

Najwa challenges Fahri on the failure to meet students as promised, questioning the credibility of the parliamentary process.

Fahri defends DPR's process, mentioning a scheduled meeting with Baleg (Legislative Body) but acknowledges the protests' escalation.

Fahri suggests creating a designated protest area outside DPR to better manage demonstrations.

The discussion ends with a promise of continued dialogue on the reform movement's challenges, highlighting a gap in communication between lawmakers and students.

Transcripts

play00:01

[Suara musik]

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[Suara piano]

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Selamat malam. Selamat datang di Mata Najwa.

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Saya Najwa Shihab, tuan rumah Mata Najwa.

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Rangkaian demonstrasi terjadi di berbagai kota,

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bentuk protes atas legislasi yang semena-mena.

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Undang-Undang yang dikebut di akhir masa jabatan,

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wajar jika memantik banyak sekali kecurigaan.

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Apalagi menjelang pengesahan, seperti tuli,

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para penyusunnya seperti ogah mendengar aspirasi.

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Menutup diri dari pemantauan masyarakat,

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menimbulkan syahwat sangka terjadi pat gulipat.

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Sudahkah aspirasi rakyat benar-benar didengarkan?

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Ataukah para elit menganggap kita layak dipinggirkan?

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Inilah Mata Najwa, “Ujian Reformasi”.

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[Gemuruh tepuk tangan]

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Setelah 2 dekade, kini Reformasi Dikorupsi disuarakan.

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Dengan digolkan Undang-Undang penuh kontroversi, inikah ujian reformasi?

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Karena Senayan menjadi sasaran mahasiswa menyerukan tuntutan,

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maka Mata Najwa memandang perlu memberikan kesempatan

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kepada Yang Terhormat Ketua DPR untuk menjelaskan sikap DPR selama 3 minggu terakhir ini.

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Saya dan tim Mata Najwa menghubungi Pak Bambang Susatyo melalui semua jalur

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tapi tidak ada respon.

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Karena itu, kami kirimkan undangan secara terbuka lewat media sosial.

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Tapi hingga saat ini, undangan kami pun tidak direspon.

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Tapi saya ingin memperkenalkan siapa saja yang sudah hadir,

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dan berani menjawab pertanyaan-pertanyaan mahasiswa di Mata Najwa.

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Terutama pelaku aksi gerakan mahasiswa,

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ada presiden mahasiswa BEM KM UGM Atiatul Muqtadir.

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Selamat malam, Fatur!

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[tepuk tangan]

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Ada juga presiden KM ITB, Royyan Abdullah Z, selamat malam Royyan!

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[tepuk tangan]

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Hadir juga direktur eksekutif Lokataru, Haris Azhar. Selamat malam Mas Haris!

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[tepuk tangan]

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Ada ketua umum YLBHI, teman saya, Asfinawati. Asfin, selamat malam!

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Asfina: Selamat malam. [tepuk tangan]

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[tepuk tangan]

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Dan pakar hukum Tata Negara, pengajar Sekolah Tinggi Ilmu Hukum Jentera, Bifitri Susanti.

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Selamat malam, Bivit! Bivit: Malam!

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[tepuk tangan]

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Saya sudah perkenalkan yang di sebelah kanan.

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Saya akan perkenalkan di sebelah kiri, perwakilan orang-orang yang kemarin di demo.

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Telah hadir Kepala Staff Kepresidenan, Pak Moeldoko. Selamat malam, Pak Moeldoko!

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Moeldoko: Malam! [tepuk tangan]

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[tepuk tangan] Terima kasih sudah hadir!

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[tepuk tangan]

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Walaupun tidak ada ketuanya, wakil ketuanya berani datang malam ini.

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Ada Fahri Hamzah, wakil Ketua DPR. Selamat malam, Bang Fahri!

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[tepuk tangan]

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Dan ada anggota Komisi 3 DPR yang juga anggota Baleg, Bang Arsul Sani. Selamat malam, Bang Arsul!

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Arsul: Malam! [tepuk tangan]

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[tepuk tangan]

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Saya juga mengundang tim perumus RUUKHP, yang juga Guru Besar Hukum UGM.

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Profesor Edward H. Prof. Edi, selamat malam!

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Terima kasih sudah hadir! [tepuk tangan]

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[tepuk tangan]

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Baik.

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Sudah lengkap semua.

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Tapi saya ingin memulai dengan mahasiswa, dengan Fatur dan Royyan.

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Emm.. gerakan masif yang terjadi beberapa hari terakhir ini, di berbagai kota.

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Tolong diingatkan lagi,

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buat mereka yang mungkin lupa, atau pura-pura lupa.

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Apa tujuan utamanya?

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Baik, dari saya nih ya? Najwa: Silakan

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Selamat malam, salam sejahtera, shalom, om swastiastu,

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namo buddhaya, assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

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mm, Mbak Nana, saya ingin

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mengingatkan kepada para dewan yang terhormat di sini

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kepada pemerintah juga, bahwasanya gerakan mahasiswa ini

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lahir dari keresahan yang organik.

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Lahir dari satu keresahan yang organik dan dari kajian - kajian akademis

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Sehingga mungkin saya sangat terganggu ketika dikatakan

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gerakan ini ditunggangi lah, gerakan ini

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ingin menjatuhkan dan sebagainya.

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Saya tegaskan bahwasanya gerakan ini adalah

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berawal dari keresahan kita,

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KPK yang dilemahkan, dan juga

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kemunduran dalam pemberantasan korupsi.

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Paket kemunduran itu, bisa kita lihat dari

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pemilihan Capim

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yang dari prosedurnya mulai bermasalah hingga

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terpilihnya pun adalah orang yang diduga bermasalah,

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kemudian revisi UU KPK yang

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banyak pasal - pasalnya melemahkan fungsi KPK

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dan tidak sesuai dengan janji presiden kita yang menguatkan KPK.

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Dari situ keresahan kami lahir.

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Kenapa kami sebut “Kembali reformasi”

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karena salah satu semangat reformasi itu adalah memberantas korupsi.

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Sehingga, ketika ada agenda-agenda yang tidak sesuai dengan

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semangat pemberantasan korupsi itu,

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maka rasanya mahasiswa perlu mengingatkan lagi,

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ke mana sih reformasi yang ingin kita tuju.

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Begitu, Mbak Nana. Najwa: Jadi dasar utamanya..

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[tepuk tangan]

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.. terutama didorong oleh

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kekhawatiran akan melemahnya agenda pemberantasan korupsi?

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Fatur: Yap. Dan juga kita lihat lagi,

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RKUHP dan berbagai RUU lainnya.

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Tadi, RKUHP kita bilang banyak banget pasal-pasal karet

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yang tidak sesuai dengan prinsip-prinsip demokrasi kita, yang nanti bisa kita bahas.

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Oke, saya ingin ke Royyan.

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Kemarin sempat rusuh.

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Bisa dijelaskan?

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Bisa diceritakan siapa yang rusuh?

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Bagaimana awal mulanya? Berapa korban?

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Royyan: Oke, baik.

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Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

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[dijawab penonton: waalaikumsalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh]

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Jadi kalau kita mulai dari kronologi

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pada tanggal 24,

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waktu itu dari kawan-kawan sendiri,

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kita sudah mulai pukul 9

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berkumpul di sekitaran TVRI.

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Di situ kita berdiskusi mengenai: Oke, kiranya apa bentuk

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aksi yang kita sampaikan/yang kita lakukan di sana?

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Dengan pembagian tugas dari masing-masing.

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Ternyata memang betul, cukup menantang ya, Mbak Nana.

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Karena di sana terkumpul banyak sekali

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aliansi BEM yang mungkin sebelumnya pun tidak pernah bertemu.

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Ada.. banyak lah.

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Ada yang dateng dari Tasik, dari Bandung, kami dari Bandung,

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ada yang bahkan dari luar pulau Jawa.

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Dan di situ, kita betul-betul berdiskusi.

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Dan pada pukul 11 kita mulai melaksanakan long march

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dengan dipimpin oleh salah satu mobil komando.

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Dan yaa sudah, kita lanjut dengan melakukan

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beberapa orasi dan penyampaian singkat di sana.

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Najwa: hm.. Royyan: Dengan tuntutan bahwa kita ingin adanya

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pihak dari dalam DPR RI yang akhirnya bertemu dengan massa.

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Kenapa demikian?

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Karena di sini kita melihat

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bahwa masa yang datang demikian beragam, demikian banyak.

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Tidak bisa serta merta kita mengkonsolidasikan suatu bentuk bahwa:

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Oke, gerakan ini hanya diwakili oleh satu pihak.

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Tidak! Tetapi bahkan

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ketika kita melakukan konsolidasi bisa sampai 20-30 pihak berbeda.

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Apakah sepanjang yang 2 hari berdemo persis depan DPR,

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kan sempat juga diterima? Royyan: Ya

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Jadi, Tuntutan itu sempat disampaikan?

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Adakah yang kemudian ditindaklanjuti?

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Atau bagaimanakah mekanisme

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sehingga apakah sudah didengar langsung aspirasi teman-teman ini?

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Baik, jadi sebetulnya kita bisa bilang awalnya dari tanggal 19 September.

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Di mana di sana dari kawan-kawan

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mungkin total sekitaran 3 ribuan massa,

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dari sekitar 20an kampus.

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Dan di situ kita mengusulkan beberapa hal,

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terutama terkait dengan revisi Undang-Undang KPK yang bermasalah,

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dan juga terkait RKUHP.

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Di situ sayangnya kita tidak langsung bertemu dengan anggota legislatif,

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namun kita dipertemukan dengan sekretaris jendral DPR RI,

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yang tentu saja fungsinya berbeda.

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Akhirnya di situ, kita coba menemukan sebuah titik temu,

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menemukan sebuah kesepakatan.

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Yang kita dapati, membuat sebuah surat kesepakatan

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untuk dari Bapak

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Yang Terhormat, Insinyur Indra Iskandar

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menjamin akan disampaikannya tuntutan kami,

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dan dijamin diadakannya pertemuan sebelum tanggal 24 September.

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Oke, jadi sudah ada

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mm apa namanya pertemuan yang menyepakati itu?

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Royyan: di tanggal 19 Najwa: Terjadi tidak pertemuan itu?

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Dan itu kami tunggu pun di depan

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gedung DPR RI pada tanggal 23, masih tidak terjadi.

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Namun pada tanggal 23 akhirnya kami diterima masuk.

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Dan sayangnya ketika kami menanyakan tuntutan yang sudah kami ajukan

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dan sudah disepakati oleh bapak Sekretaris Jendral,

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sayang dijawab dengan pernyataan:

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“Mohon maaf, saya belum pernah mendengar sama sekali perjanjian tersebut.”

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Jadi kami amat.. Najwa: Siapa yang menjawab itu?

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Royyan: Dari pihak komisi 3. Najwa: Komisi 3?

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Yang menerima teman-teman tanggal 23?

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Royyan: Ya, betul. Najwa: Karena..

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kenapa saya tanyakan, karena kan kemudian emm..

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ketua DPR mengatakan ingin bertemu dengan mahasiswa dengan segala kerendahan hatinya.

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Tetapi karena rusuh, jadi tidak bisa keluar.

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Sempat ada pertemuan itu? Dengan ketua DPR?

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Fatur: Tidak. Kalau dibilang karena rusuh.

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Sebetulnya kan dari awal kita dateng, kita damai.

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Kenapa ga dateng dari siang?

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Kenapa ga dateng ketika kita panggil, ya?

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Oh ya, saya inget banget,

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kita ultimatum waktu itu..

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saya lupa, Kapolres? Kapolda?

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Yang menyampaikan semacam pidato, gitu.

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Kemudian dari korlap menyampaikan kita mau ultimatum 30 menit, tolong dong,

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Pak Bambang Susatyo diajak keluar.

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Untuk kemudian, kalau memang jadi ditunda, ya umumkan.

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Kalau memang tidak jadi ditunda, ya sampaikan.

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Setidaknya kita ada dialog dulu.

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Tapi kemudian kita tunggu sampai sore.

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Siang ditengah teriknya matahari kita tunggu..

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Ya akhirnya tadi, tidak adanya pertemuan itu.

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Najwa: Tidak ada pertemuan? Dan kemudian,

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mm.. teman-teman mahasiswa memang merangsek masuk ke pagar DPR?

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Royyan: Oh, engga. Jadi sebetulnya begini.

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Dari kami sebetulnya sudah menyampaikan dari atas mobil komando waktu itu,

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dari korlapnya menyampaikan:

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“Oke, dari semua massa tenang!

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Kita sampaikan aspirasi kita dan salah satu cara terakhir kita”.

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Karena di sini kita bicara soal lapangan, ya, Mbak Nana.

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Bicara soal mengumpulkan banyak kultur,

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banyak pihak, banyak orang, dan banyak kepala yang berbeda-beda,

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untuk punya satu pikiran dan satu metode yang sama.

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Dan itu sangat kompleks.

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Bagaimana menyatukan lapangan itu.

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Dan, ya sudah, mmm cara yang akhirnya kami lakukan adalah di atas mobil komando,

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kami menyampaikan:

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“Oke, jam setengah 4 ini kita lakukan konferensi pers.”

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Harapannya konferensi pers ini,

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bisa menyampaikan apa yang kita harapkan, Najwa: Oke

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baik dari segi tuntutan maupun dari segi pihak

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yang kita minta untuk keluar, untuk bertemu. Seperti itu.

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Najwa: Dan itu tidak pernah terjadi akhirnya?

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Royyan: Dan konferensi pers sudah dilakukan tapi sayangnya tidak ada kelanjutannya.

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Fatur: Termasuk malam ini, tidak terjadi juga.

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Najwa: Termasuk malam ini juga tidak ada respon?

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[tepuk tangan] Tapi yang hadir..

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[tepuk tangan]

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tapi ada wakil ketua DPR, yang juga mantan aktivis mahasiswa pada tahun 98,

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ada Bang Fahri Hamzah.

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Bang Fahri Hamzah, adek-adek Anda, Bang.

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FH: Soal.. Najwa: Silakan ditanggapi.

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FH: Soal apa?

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Najwa: Apakah memang DPR tidak ada

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keinginan untuk membuka ruang dialog itu?

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FH: Ya…

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saya ga tau ya..

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Tapi kan DPR itu memang tempat dialog ya.. hari-hari ya.

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Partainya banyak,

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agamanya banyak, sukunya banyak,

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dan orang-orang beda pendapat semua,

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ada yang ekstrim kiri, ada yang ekstrim kanan.

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Mantan aktivis ada, lawyer ada,

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dan memang yaa hari-hari ya berdebatlah, ya,

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mm.. karena itu mustahil anggota DPR menghindari dialog dan perdebatan,

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karena itu udah makanan hari-harinya..

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membuat Undang-Undang juga itu perlu dialog

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Karena itu kan tahapan-tahapan membuat Undang-Undang itu kan ada

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ada rapat dengar pendapat, ada kunjungan ke kampus, dan sebagainya.

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Sosialisasi dan tidak ada beban,

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karena setiap masukan itu merupakan

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konten yang harus diterima bagian dari rumusan Undang-Undang.

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Ga ada kepentingan kita.

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Orang Undang-Undang dibuat untuk publik kok, untuk masyarakat, gitu.

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Apa yang menjadi aspirasi ya tinggal dicantumkan saja.

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Cuman ga bisa, ambil, plok gitu.

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Ada perdebatannya, dan perdebatan itu dengan ahli.

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Karena anggota DPR ini kan bukan ahli

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secara teknis membuat Undang-Undang. Najwa: Oke, Bang Fahri.

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Tapi apa tanggapan anda atas tadi? Mmm.. berbagai tuntutan mahasiswa?

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Berbagai aspirasi yang mereka sampaikan? Apakah DPR mendengar aspirasi-aspirasi itu?

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FH: Ya pastilah! DPR kan lembaga pendengar aspirasi kan?

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Memang mm saya malah (nada agak tertawa)

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Najwa: Buktinya apa, Bang?

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FH: Saya mengusulkan presiden itu, ya, Pak Moeldoko ya,

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tolong didengar lagi ya. Saya mengusulkan

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presiden itu apa ya.. karena kita ini ga punya kuasa keuangan seluas pemerintah.

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Kita punya ide itu belum tentu jadi.

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Karena uangnya dipegang pemerintah.

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Beda dengan parlemen di negara-negara maju yang punya

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CBO (Congretional Budget Office). Najwa: Oke

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FH: Yang dia bisa kontrol diri.

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Saya mengusulkan tempat demo yang besar di depan DPR

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lalu diatur bagaimana mekanisme supaya nanti kalau ada demo,

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itu indikator.

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Kalau banyak demo, itu banyak masalah.. Najwa: tapi yang sudah janjian saja, tidak ditepati janjinya, kok!

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FH: Siapa? Najwa: Itu, tadi,

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sudah diterima oleh Sekjen. Sudah dibuatkan janji, tapi tidak ditepati.

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FH: Katanya abis itu diatur pertemuan dengan Baleg,

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dan saya dengar juga sudah ketemu dengan Baleg.

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Dan Baleg itu memang

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centrum daripada legislasi DPR.

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Namanya juga Badan Legislasi. Najwa: Jadi artinya sudah selesai urusan, Bang Fahri?

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FH: Ya artinya kalau sudah ketemu kan,

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artinya ada proses dialog di Baleg itu.

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Dan setau saya tanggal 23 ketemu Baleg.

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Itu tanggal 23 jam 2,

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kami sudah keluar dari kantornya Pak Moeldoko dengan

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kesepakatan yang diumumkan ke seluruh Indonesia bersama presiden.

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24 eh 23 ya,

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24 kan masih besar kan.

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Saya sendiri terkurung, ga bisa ke luar ke mana-mana.

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Dan saya lihat itu ee malam-malam itu sudah bakar-bakar itu,

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sore lah kira-kira mulai bakar-bakar itu.

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Jadi, saya ngumumkan di Twitter saya,

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saya ada di dalem, menunggu. Hari ini juga tadi nunggu.

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Nunggu teman-teman. Tapi yang ada STM-STM katanya bawa pisau, bawa clurit,

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kemudian lempar batu, yaa ga sempet ketemu kita.

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Saya baru dari kantor ini Na ke sini gitu,

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siap dialog karena ada mahasiswa di sini ya dialog di sini aja

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Siaran langsung ini kan?

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Gratis ini kan? Najwa: gratis, tidak bayar.

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Nanti akan kita lanjutkan bagaimana dialog itu.

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Saya juga ingin mendengarkan dari Pak Moeldoko.

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Tetap di Mata Najwa “Ujian Reformasi”, sesaat lagi kembali.

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