Konstantin Kisin SCHOOLS Journalist on Terrorism, Race Baiting & Trump

Summary

The transcript covers a debate about free speech, terrorism, and racial bias in labeling certain groups as terrorists. One side argues that white nationalist extremism is downplayed compared to Islamist terrorism. The other counters that citizens shouldn't be deported for controversial speech, only prosecuted if part of a declared terrorist organization. Clips show protests where some demonstrators seem uninformed about specifics. The discussion highlights complex perspectives around determining what constitutes unacceptable speech or dangerous ideology.

Takeaways

• 😀 The script discusses perceived double standards in labeling acts of terrorism, emphasizing how white nationalist extremism is often downplayed compared to other forms of terrorism.
• 🌍 It highlights the issue of racial bias in the societal and media response to terrorism, noting that white extremists are seldom subjected to the same level of scrutiny or punitive measures as terrorists of other races.
• 📢 The dialogue includes a debate over Donald Trump's remarks following the Charlottesville rally, clarifying that Trump condemned neo-Nazis and white nationalists but also mentioned 'very fine people' on both sides of the statue debate.
• 🏛️ It addresses the challenges of free speech and the complexities of labeling groups or individuals as terrorists based on their ideologies, pointing out legal distinctions and the implications for civil liberties.
• 🤔 The conversation explores the role of social media and the internet in spreading extremist ideologies, including the spread of conspiracy theories and their impact on radicalization and violence.
• 💬 There's a focus on the importance of accurate representation in the media, discussing how misinformation can fuel extremist ideologies and contribute to societal division.
• 📜 The script touches on the limitations of free speech protections, noting that they do not extend to incitement of violence or membership in terrorist organizations.
• 🌐 It contrasts the U.S. and UK's approach to free speech and terrorism, highlighting differences in constitutional protections and legal frameworks for addressing extremism.
• 👥 The text delves into the demographic makeup and motivations of protesters at various rallies, offering insights into the diverse backgrounds and beliefs of participants.
• 🤖 Discusses the influence of platforms like TikTok on young people's political views and the importance of exposing youth to multiple perspectives to foster informed opinions.

Q & A

What is the main point of contention between the speakers in the beginning of the transcript?

The main point of contention is whether people should be deported for their views if those views are extremist or supportive of terrorism. One speaker argues citizens should not be deported, while the other believes foreign nationals who are terrorists should be deported.

What does one speaker allege about Donald Trump's comments regarding the Charlottesville protests?

The speaker alleges that Trump said neo-Nazis and white nationalists were "very fine people", when in reality Trump condemned those groups and said there were some fine people protesting the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue.

What terrorist threat does one speaker say is not getting enough attention?

The speaker argues that the threat of white nationalist terrorism and white extremism is rising but does not get condemned to the same degree as Islamic extremism.

What does one speaker ask about Elon Musk promoting the 'replacement theory'?

The speaker asks why there is no call to deport Musk or other Republicans who have promoted the racist, anti-Semitic conspiracy theory that blames Jews for attempting to replace white Western civilization.

How does one speaker counter the argument about Elon Musk?

The speaker argues there is a distinction between belonging to a terrorist organization, which should be prosecuted, versus having offensive opinions, which is protected speech that Western civilization defends.

What meme does one speaker reference about who gets labeled a terrorist?

The speaker references a meme that says "when you have light skin you're not a terrorist, when it gets dark and people like you always bring race into it"

How does one speaker defend the youth and their views?

The speaker argues that today's youth have been exposed to more varied viewpoints than past generations given social media, so their pro-Palestinian stance reflects seeing more perspectives.

What does the reporter find about the knowledge level of pro-Palestine protesters?

The reporter found many of the protesters were ignorant of basic facts and history regarding the conflict. He argues social media spreads misinformation to them.

What allegation did one protester make against Pierce Morgan's reporting?

One protester had a sign alleging Morgan spreads lies justifying Israel's actions and genocide against Palestinians.

How does Morgan counter the allegations made against his reporting?

Morgan says he has platformed both sides of the conflict for months. He argues protesters pretend attacks like the October 7th terror incident never occurred to justify demanding Israel unilaterally cease fire.

Outlines

00:00

😠 Responding to accusations of racism and double standards

In paragraph 1, the speaker defends themselves against accusations of racism, double standards, and censorship regarding their views on extremism. They argue that violent rhetoric should not be protected speech and condemn white nationalism while asserting that they have not called for deportations based on speech. There is discussion around Trump's comments after Charlottesville and debate over what constitutes terrorist speech.

05:01

😡 Calling out hypocrisy on extremist rhetoric by the powerful

Paragraph 2 involves the speaker highlighting alleged hypocrisy, pointing to examples of powerful figures like Elon Musk and Republican politicians promoting extremist conspiracy theories without facing consequences. They argue this reveals a double standard compared to how minority groups are treated for violent speech. There is dispute over what merits prosecution or deportation.

10:02

🤔 Assessing the knowledge and views of pro-Palestinian protesters

In paragraph 3, the host and guest discuss footage captured at recent pro-Palestinian protests in London. They note apparent ignorance among some young protesters about the meaning of their own signs and slogans. There is debate over whether lack of knowledge reflects social media misinformation or justified sympathy for Palestinians. They also cover dismissals of terrorist incidents aimed at justifying ceasefire demands.

Keywords

💡terrorism

Terrorism refers to violent acts committed to achieve political or ideological goals through creating fear. It is a major theme in the video, with discussions about labeling certain groups like white nationalists as terrorists. The host argues there is a double standard where violent white groups are not called terrorists like violent Muslim groups are.

💡immigration

Immigration refers to people moving permanently to a new country. It relates to the video's discussions around deporting or removing immigrants who are considered dangers to society. One viewpoint presented is that immigrant terrorists should be deported.

💡free speech

Free speech refers to the right to express opinions without censorship or restraint. It is a key theme as the video debates whether there should be limits on free speech to curb dangerous ideologies like white nationalism that could motivate violence.

💡Israel-Palestine conflict

The Israel-Palestine conflict refers to the ongoing dispute over land rights between Israel and Palestine. Pro-Palestine protests are discussed in the video as an example of activism that sometimes lacks nuance.

💡anti-Semitism

Anti-Semitism refers to prejudice or hostility towards Jewish people. It relates to discussions of conspiracy theories like "Jews will not replace us" that promote anti-Semitism.

💡white nationalism

White nationalism is an ideology that favors white racial dominance and purity. The video argues this is a rising domestic terror threat that is often overlooked compared to Islamic terrorism.

💡alt-right

The alt-right refers to far-right, white supremacist groups. Terms like neo-Nazis and white nationalists are used to describe these groups that spread dangerous anti-immigrant and racist ideologies.

💡conspiracy theory

A conspiracy theory refers to an unproven claim that some covert plot or secret plan is behind an event or situation. The video discusses conspiracy theories like "replacement theory" that have inspired racially motivated violence.

💡Islamic terrorism

Islamic terrorism refers to terrorist acts committed in the name of radical or extremist Islamic ideologies. The video argues this type of terrorism gets more attention and concern than domestic white nationalist terrorism.

💡deportation

Deportation refers to the removal of a foreign citizen from a country. It comes up in the context of whether immigrant terrorists or those spreading dangerous ideologies should be deported.

Highlights

Discussion on the perception of terrorism and its association with race.

Mention of Donald Trump's remarks on the Charlottesville rally.

Debate over the labeling of domestic terrorism and the focus on white nationalist extremism.

The contrast between the treatment of different groups by the media and authorities.

Examination of free speech implications in the context of extremist views.

Discussion on the legal consequences for members of terrorist organizations.

The impact of social media and misinformation on youth's political views.

Observations from pro-Palestinian marches and the level of participant knowledge.

Critique of mainstream media's role in shaping public perception of international conflicts.

The influence of online platforms on the spread of extremist ideologies.

Discussion on the implications of deporting individuals based on their views or group affiliations.

Analysis of the societal impact of labeling certain actions or groups as terrorist.

Consideration of the First Amendment and its limitations in the context of hate speech and extremism.

Debate over the fairness of media treatment towards different political and racial groups.

Exploration of young people's perspectives on international issues, influenced by diverse information sources.

Transcripts

when you have light skin you're not a

terrorist when it gets dark and people

like you always bring race into it it's

got nothing to do with race and

everything to do with people who kill

people yes people like you race B heard

you we had literally people saying the

Jews will not replace us and Donald

Trump said they're very fine people we

literally have people like I said going

against this Capital right here

committing a violent Insurrection but

for some strange reason when the number

one domestic Terror threat in America

and also increased Rec l in Europe and

the UK is white terrorists white

nationalist terrorists white ex

extremists I never hear anyone say you

know what we should ban them we should

Deport them oh what instead hear is they

have economic anxiety the double

standard here at play has to be exposed

right and I want people to really think

about what they're really advocating if

someone doesn't like your speech you

know what you're not just going to be uh

not tolerated you're going to be

deported especially if you're a person

of color how does that make a

multi-racial society that is both the UK

and America safer and better especially

and I'm speaking now as an American and

you know in the UK the rising domestic

Terror threat is not Islam extremism

which by the way exists it is white

nationalist extremism not a single word

about that but I hear all these Free

Speech Advocates all these people are

all about Western Civilization all all

of a sudden turned to censorship and all

of a sudden become authoritarian when it

comes to Muslims and people of hang on

why is that hang let me educate your

guest a little bit about his own

country pleas educate me pleas educate

me I I'm about to be quiet and I will

now first of all nobody's calling for

people to be deported because of their

views we have laws in this country

against organizations that are

prescribed as terrorists and I have no

problem with terrorists being removed

from this country under the laws of this

country secondly Donald Trump never said

that the people calling uh for the

eradication of Jews will find people if

you go and look at his quotes he

actually condemned them and they said

they should be condemned absolutely but

the people who were there protesting

about the statues they were the ones

that would find people and you had

people and I'm not talking about the

neo-nazis and the white nationalists

because they should be condemned totally

but you had many people in that group

other than neo-nazis and white

nationalists okay and the Press has

treated them absolutely unfairly now in

the other group also you you had some

fine people but you also had

troublemakers and you see them come with

the with the black outfits and with the

helmets and with the baseball bats you

got a you had a lot of bad you had a lot

of bad people in the other group

unfairly sir I'm sorry I just didn't

understand what you were saying you were

saying the Press has treated white

nationalists unfairly I just understand

saying there were people in that rally

and I looked the night before if you

look they were people protesting very

quietly the taking down of the Statue of

robertt el Lee I'm sure in that group

there was some bad ones the following

day it looked like they had some rough

bad people

neo-nazis uh White nationalists whatever

you want to call them but you had a lot

of people in that group that were there

to innocently protest and very legally

protest because you know I don't know if

you know they had a permit the other

group didn't have a perent so I only

tell you this there are two sides to a

story I I thought what took place was a

horrible moment for our country a

horrible moment now you should educate

yourself about those things and thirdly

you should educate about the fact that

regrettably I would quite like to have a

First Amendment here in the UK we do not

have a First Amendment and I would have

a lot more sympathy with your argument

if we hadn't spent the last 10 years

watching people be sacked from their

jobs for saying women are women and men

are men yeah and I would also add that

when you say that I'm not respecting

Free Speech V when I say I don't respect

people who won't condemn a mass they're

I didn't say you no no but they can say

it they can say it I just don't have to

respect it it's a bit like when I block

people on Twitter course you don't have

to respect it but when I when I block

people on on X for example formerly

Twitter and people say well you're

suppressing their free speech no I'm not

they can still tweet what the hell they

like I just don't have to read it I

don't have to hear it you know that this

that actually is what free speech is and

the First Amendment which is one of the

most powerful Protectors of free speech

in the world it doesn't cover many

things from M pornography to defamation

to all sorts of stuff is is not

protected by the First Amendment and

nobody I don't think who looks at this

sensibly would say that a terror group

that espouses not just hatred but

violent hatred and the mass killing of

people that is never protected by free

speech is it and should it be uh it it

shouldn't be but listen this is

interesting uh speaking about education

allow me to retort and educate and I'll

give you an example about the double

standard and I want you guys to really

respond to this speaking about terrorism

and violence on the platform you

mentioned X also known as Twitter one of

the wealthiest men Elon Musk has

repeatedly promoted the replacement

Theory an anti-semitic Terror uh anti

anti-semitic conspiracy that blames Jews

for trying to weaken and replace Western

Civilization with Muslims and immigrants

and lgbtq communities right that

conspiracy theory has radicalized

individuals to commit violence against

Jews against Muslims against black

people against Latinos that conspiracy

has been retweeted and platformed and

mainstreamed by the Republican party

people like Elise stefanic and Donald

Trump who by the way dined with Nick

Fuentes the leading white nationalist

leader in America you guys are fine with

that when it com to any other grp that

who said we're F wait a minute

said I WR a whole column it what are you

talking about good but you're not going

to deport them right are you going to

deport them are you going to are you

going to call them out for

for

said people who are citizens who are not

citizens of the country should be

deported if they're members of a

terrorist group why don't you understand

the distinction M of a terrorist group

and saying something us and UK should us

and UK government and National Security

go after these groups and these elected

officials and these organizations that

have literally repeated and mainstreamed

a conspiracy that has motiv ated

terrorists to commit

terrorism anyone who is a member of a

terrorist group should be prosecuted

under the law of the country in which

they are a terrorist group a terrorist

grou that's not what I asked well but

that's what I said so you were

challenging me about something I'm very

and I'm very

curious CU why you are not concerned

about this but in this in I didn't say I

wasn't concerned about it I said you

can't Deport citizens of the country in

which they live A and B I keep pointing

out out to you that the person we're

talking about in this case this NHS GP

he is a member of a terrorist group

we're not talking about him having the

wrong opinions people are allowed to

have the wrong opinions both in this

country and in your country is something

that we all celebrate as part of the

heritage of Western civilization and we

would all I hope defend the issue here

is we have laws in this country about

being a member of a terrorist group and

people who are members of a terrorist

group I hope you would agree with me

should be prosecuted to the full extent

of the law and if they are prosecuted to

the extent of the law and they are

foreign citizens should be deported will

we agree on

that we will agree then and I'll also

say this uh for those who are watching

especially the youth uh there's a great

meme a family guy meme where there's a

chart of who gets to be labeled a

terrorist and who doesn't uh the front

part of the chart is when you have light

skin you're not a terrorist when it gets

dark and darker people like you always

bring race into it it's got nothing to

do with race and everything to do with

people who kill

people yes people like you race baers

like heard yes and I have not heard you

really Express this much outrage against

the number one domestic Terror threat

against all our communities in America

and the UK which is rising white

National a dark skinned first generation

immigrant to the UK I don't play your

racial games stop using your skin color

as a way to shut other people up and

let's talk about the issue the issue

here is should we tolerate foreign

terrorist should we remove them and my

opinion is we should remove people who

are not conducive to this country and if

someone like me first generation

immigrant comes here and wants to be a

terrorist it is first generation

immigrants like me that at the front of

the queue to get them out okay it's been

a fascinating debate remove people are

not conducive to this been it's been

fascina about I actually think who are

terrorists yes I actually think V to be

fair to you I do think that the white

nationalism related terrorist acts that

we see increasingly is never played up

as much actually as islamist Terror was

particularly in the Heyday of al-Qaeda

and Isis I think it's a perfectly valid

point to make for what is worth I think

I've made that point actually before um

before I let you go uh Constantin you've

done a lot of filming with the pro

Palestinian marches in London what did

you

find well I actually went over the last

uh few months per we went to the protest

against anti-Semitism we went to two pro

Palestine protests we went to an

Extinction rebellious Rebellion protest

which was very very funny I encourage

people to go and watch that but at the

latest Pro Palestine protest in

particular there was some fascinating

scenes and you know we really tried to

talk to people with an open mind I don't

have actually contrary to the discussion

we've just had a particularly strong uh

position on it I'm interested really in

getting people's views and one of the

things that came through very strongly

is uh young people in particular of whom

there are many the way I would kind of

describe the demographics are it's a

mixture of sort of beards and head

scarves on the one hand and septum

piercings and colored hair on the other

um the young people who are there in

particular when you ask some very very

basic questions you know from which

river to let's take a look at a clip

actually we've got a we've got a clip

with some of this let's watch it here so

I just noticed the signs you got from

The River To The Sea Palestine will be

free what does that mean well it's quite

self expan how would that come about

what would happen to the Israelis

Etc I

don't I'm trying to think of how to word

it isn't it just as self- expans as the

area of land it's palestine's land

what's a socialist to father if I'm

being honest with you I just got this at

the stand over there okay uh I don't

actually know the definition of the word

it's father I mean it's kind of

laughable I don't think for a moment

that a lot of people on that Mark Mar

are that ignorant about it a lot of them

clearly are well informed and absolutely

marching because they want peace and

they want to cease fire and Gaza I

completely understand that but vajat

when you hear that there are a lot of

young people joining up in these marches

who are completely clueless and I

actually blame Tik Tock more than

anything which is the number one news

source now for kids under 25 and spews

just Relentless nonsense into their

heads and that's where they get their

news

uh this is where I'm going to stand up

for the Youth if you look at the youth

it's been a stunning change where most

youth people uh youth here and abroad

are actually if you will Pro Palestinian

and want the occupation to end and the

flip side to that pierce I would say is

the following for those who are watching

we're the same when it comes to Facebook

we're the same when it comes to X and

we're the same when it comes to

mainstream media you are a breath of

fresh air because you allow multiple

opinions to come on uh you know talk

about Palestinian side and Israeli side

in America you know that this wasn't the

case and so so for those people who are

terrified by the Tik Tok just think

about what limited viewpoints that you

got for 30 40 years and now for better

and for worse this young generation is

exposed to multiple narratives and they

see for themselves what's happening

which is why you see the shift in which

a lot of people especially in Israel and

here are horrified by the nyaho

government want an end to the occupation

want to cease fire hate Hamas hat hate

extremists in the N Yahoo government and

believe that Palestinians have a right

to Freedom yeah well certainly do in my

estimation but there is one clip uh

Constantine which really got to me it

was about me let's take a look so I I

see you've got a sign that there

journalism that get paid for selling

lies and I'm guessing that's Pierce

Morgan right why do you say that this is

journalism that's selling

lies um it's very obvious what is going

on all the lies about what happened on

the October 7th the justification for

the genocide they're all based on Lies

when you say lies about October 7th what

do you mean all those allegations that

we never saw any footages of of

decapitated children that Piers Morgan

always asked about and all those women

that get got uh gang raped I mean it was

quite extraordinary Constantine because

one of the problems with platforming

everybody actually for the last three

months is you end up with the extremes

on both sides hating you with equal

Vengeance and often being completely ill

informed actually about what I've

actually said um but it was enlightening

to see that because I see that all day

long on social media that kind of view

which is really based on a lack of

reality well there was a lot of that

going on in the protest and

interestingly I mean you say most people

there are well informed uh we released

in that half an hour documentary that

people can go to trigonometry our

YouTube channel and watch we released

every single interview that we did uh so

we haven't cherry-picked these moments

to make people look bad or anything like

that it contains they're shortened down

but they are basically the content of

what people said to us okay and I have

to say most of the people we spoke to a

didn't really seem that actually that

well informed most of them and secondly

I would say that was an awful lot of the

sort of thing you just heard where

people have some kind of way of

pretending October 7th didn't happen in

fact the first person you see in the

video talks about how it's a false flag

operation there seems to be a lot of

that going on too where where people are

sort of they they sort of wish away the

terrorist attack on October 7th and it

makes sense because if you're calling

for a ceasefire uh and you're calling on

Israel to unilaterally essentially

engage in ceasefire you have to pretend

October 7th didn't happen because

otherwise you'd be calling on Hamas to

hand over the hostages and the

terrorists who took them because that's

how you get a ceasefire yeah I mean one

of the biggest blowups I had vat was

after that interview with that doctor

actually uh in which I'd already read

out some quotes from another member of

this