Piers Morgan's Debate On Suspended 'Jihad Doctor': "STOP Using Your Skin Colour!"

Summary

The transcript covers the suspension of UK doctor and Islamist movement leader Dr. Abdul Wahed from the NHS after his controversial TV appearance supporting Hamas. His group glorified Hamas attacks and he wouldn't condemn the October 7th terrorist attack. His Islamist movement Hisb Tera has now been designated a terrorist organization in the UK. There is debate around whether his radical views impact his medical duties. As the head of a banned terror group, his NHS position seems untenable unless he distances himself from terrorists. The discussion also covers free speech issues and double standards in calling out extremist groups.

Takeaways

• 😠 An Islamist doctor in the UK glorified Hamas attacks and called for 'Jihad on the streets'. He has now been suspended by the NHS.
• 😡 The doctor is a public leader of a controversial Islamist movement prescribed as a terrorist group in the UK and banned in many countries.
• 🤨 The doctor appeared on a TV show under a different name and would not condemn Hamas' brutal October 7th attacks that killed over 1200 people.
• 😐 There is debate whether his radical views affect his ability to practice medicine, as he has a right to offensive opinions.
• 😠 As head of a banned terror group, it's untenable for him to remain in the NHS without denouncing terrorism.
• 😕 Many young people at pro-Palestinian marches seem ignorant of the 'river to sea' slogan, which implies eliminating Israel.
• 🤨 Constantine's filming shows many marchers pretend the October 7 attacks didn't happen or were staged.
• 😡 A marcher called Morgan's reporting 'lies' for asking guests to condemn the horrific October 7 attacks.
• 😯 Social media distorts Morgan's anti-terrorism stance into anti-Muslim views, ignoring his context.
• ⚠️ Guest argues using post-9/11 tactics against Muslims in the UK could increase divisions and extremism on all sides.

Q & A

What controversial group does Dr. Abdul Wahed lead in the UK?

Dr. Abdul Wahed is the public face and British leader of Hizb ut-Tahrir, an Islamist movement that has glorified Hamas attacks and chanted for jihad on the streets of London.

Why was Dr. Wahed suspended from the NHS?

Dr. Wahed was suspended after his controversial appearance on the TV show Uncensored and due to newspaper reports about him. The NHS said they take professional conduct issues seriously and need to ensure individuals are fit to work there.

What countries have banned Hizb ut-Tahrir?

Hizb ut-Tahrir is banned in many Muslim countries including Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and most Arab states. It is also banned in countries like Germany and Egypt.

What controversial statements did Dr. Wahed make about the October 7 attacks?

Dr. Wahed cast doubt on whether the October 7 attacks even took place and did not consider Hamas to be terrorists. He dismissed civilian deaths as "collateral" and called the attacks a "welcome punch on the nose" for the enemy.

When did the British Parliament designate Hizb ut-Tahrir as a terrorist organization?

The British Parliament officially designated Hizb ut-Tahrir as a terrorist organization in the past two weeks (relative to the article date of February 3, 2024).

What penalty is associated with membership or support of Hizb ut-Tahrir in the UK?

Membership or support of Hizb ut-Tahrir now carries a prison sentence of up to 14 years in the UK.

What arguments are made for and against Dr. Wahed's ability to practice medicine?

Arguments made in favor cite radical opinions not necessarily impacting medical ability and his right to offensive opinions. Arguments against cite his terror group leadership and unsuitability for an intimate, patient-facing NHS role.

What controversial statements were made at a Hizb ut-Tahrir rally in London?

At the rally, Dr. Wahed said "victory is coming" and everyone must "choose a side." A senior member also asked what is the solution to liberate Palestine, with the crowd chanting back "jihad".

How does the columnist Vaj Ali respond to calls to deport those with radical views?

Vaj Ali warns against post-9/11 overreactions that harm community relations, arguing Western societies should tolerate dissident speech and that deportations can fuel extremism on both sides.

What concerning lack of understanding was found among some pro-Palestine youth protesters?

Video interviews found some youth protesters were completely ignorant on basics like the "river to sea" slogan, admitting they just held the signs they were handed at the protest.

Outlines

00:00

😠 Various groups and individuals condemn Dr. Abdul Wahed's controversial comments as NHS suspends him.

Paragraph 1 discusses how various groups and individuals reacted with shock to Dr. Abdul Wahed's comments glorifying Hamas attacks. The NHS has suspended Dr. Wahed from his role as a GP in light of his controversial appearance on a TV show and being the public face of the now banned Islamist movement Hizb ut-Tahrir in the UK.

05:01

😡 Dr. Wahed shockingly refers to October 7 attacks as a 'welcome punch on the nose'.

Paragraph 2 highlights how Dr. Wahed shockingly described the brutal October 7 attacks, which killed 1200 people, as a 'welcome punch on the nose', revealing his terrorist sympathies. This makes his position as an NHS doctor paid by taxpayers untenable.

10:04

😕 Guest argues Dr. Wahed should not be banned despite concerning views to avoid quagmire like post 9/11 America.

Paragraph 3 has guest Vaj Ali arguing that despite Dr. Wahed's concerning views, he should not be banned or deported to avoid the civil liberties violations that occurred in post 9/11 America. Ali warns against using a broad brush against Muslims which can fuel extremism on both sides.

15:05

😠 Guest rebuts - laws exist to remove foreign terrorists, race irrelevant.

Paragraph 4 has the host rebutting and educating the guest that race is irrelevant, and laws allow removing foreign terrorists. Being an immigrant himself, the host supports deporting terrorists regardless of background.

20:07

😏 Guest claims double standard - white nationalist terrorism not treated as seriously.

Paragraph 5 has the guest claiming there is a double standard where rising white nationalist terrorism is not treated as seriously as Islamist terrorism. The host denies condoning any terrorism regardless of source.

25:07

😕 Ignorant protestors deny October 7 attacks occurred or spread lies about host.

Paragraph 6 shows footage of ignorant protestors at a pro-Palestinian march denying the October 7 attacks occurred or spreading lies about the host's reporting on it. This highlights how social media spreads misinformation.

30:07

😌 Guest argues Western policies based on fear and anger lead to extremism and mistakes like post 9/11 America.

Paragraph 7 has the guest warning that Western policies based on fear and anger lead to extremism and past mistakes like post 9/11 America. He advocates learning from these mistakes to avoid divisions.

Keywords

💡terrorism

Terrorism refers to the use of violence and intimidation tactics against civilians to achieve political or ideological goals. It is a key theme in the video, which discusses the UK government's decision to designate a controversial Islamist movement called Hizb ut-Tahrir as a terrorist organization. The video debates whether the group's radical views justify classifying it as a terror group and removing its members from positions like NHS doctors.

💡free speech

Free speech is the right to express opinions without censorship or restraint. It is a prominent point of debate in the video, with guests arguing over whether radical or offensive speech should be protected or limited to maintain security. Some guests advocate for free speech rights even for extremists, while others argue that terrorist propaganda and membership should not be tolerated.

💡Hamas

Hamas is a Palestinian Islamist group that has conducted violent attacks against Israel, including the October 7th attacks referenced in the video. Guests argue whether the October 7th attacks constitute terrorism and if condemning them should be a prerequisite for peace negotiations.

💡jihad

Jihad refers to a struggle or fight against enemies of Islam. The video shows footage of protestors chanting for jihad, which alarms some guests as a call for violence. Others argue jihad has non-violent meanings and should not be assumed as extremism.

💡antisemitism

Antisemitism refers to hostility or prejudice towards Jewish people. It is discussed when a guest accuses prominent figures like Elon Musk of promoting antisemitic conspiracy theories that have inspired terror attacks.

💡Islamophobia

Islamophobia refers to hostility, fear, and racism directed against Muslims or Islam. One guest argues there are double standards where white terror groups are treated more leniently than Muslim extremists in the name of counter-terrorism.

💡national security

National security refers to protecting a nation against threats to its safety and integrity. The debate weighs civil liberties like free speech against security priorities like surveilling or restricting terror groups.

💡hate speech

Hate speech refers to communication intended to insult, intimidate, or provoke violence based on race, religion, gender, etc. Though not discussed directly, issues of hate speech underlie the debate about banning extremist views and groups.

💡incitement

Incitement refers to encouraging others to commit violence unlawfully. Guests argue over whether radical Islamist rhetoric constitutes incitement to terrorism that should be prohibited.

💡censorship

Censorship is the suppression of speech, books, news, etc. considered objectionable. While debating terror groups, guests disagree on whether banning them constitutes justified security policy or unwarranted censorship.

Highlights

Dr. Abdul Wahed has been suspended from the NHS for his controversial views and leadership role in a now banned Islamist movement.

Wahed referred to the October 7 attacks as 'a very welcome punch on the nose', despite over 1,200 civilian deaths.

Wahed's group hisb ut-Tahrir has been officially designated as a terrorist organization in the UK.

Constantine argues almost every Muslim country has banned hisb ut-Tahrir, questioning why the UK government allowed them to operate so long.

Vaj Ali warns of overreacting and harming community relations, but agrees terrorist group members should face prosecution.

Morgan stresses respecting free speech doesn't mean having to respect all opinions yourself.

Vaj Ali argues Western democracies apply double standards in labeling groups as terrorists based on race and religion.

Constantine shows footage of Pro-Palestinian protestors who seem ignorant of basic facts and deny October 7 attacks.

Vaj Ali says most youth increasingly support Palestinians and ending occupation, enabled by platforms like TikTok.

Constantine found many protestors pretend October 7 didn't happen to justify calling for unilateral ceasefire.

Morgan clarifies his past comments referred to oppression promoted by Wahed's group, not Muslims/Islam in general.

Vaj Ali explains the double standard where Muslims are expected to condemn terrorists they've never met.

Extreme members of a community shouldn't define the whole group, as happens unfairly to Muslims says Vaj Ali.

Vaj Ali warns against overreacting with fear and anger, fueling extremism as happened with US war on terror.

Constantine's film shows range of views at London protests, though many seem ill-informed on key facts.

Transcripts

good evening from London welcome to Pi

Morgan on sensor Dr Abdul wahed is the

public face and British leader of a

controversial islamist movement which

glorified the Hamas attacks and chanted

for Jihad on the Streets of London he's

also a longtime NHS GP doctor at least

for now today the NHS in London

confirmed his suspended Dr wahed after

his controversial appearance on this

show and the newspaper reports about him

referring to a doctor by legal name a

spokesman told us this morning we take

any issues relating to professional

conduct seriously and have procedures in

place to make sure the individuals are

fit to work in the NHS we can confirm

that Dr wahed shaa Shada has been

suspended from NHS Primary Care

performance list well last month uh Dr

wahed under his other name was brave

enough to appear on uncensored Brave you

can judge for yourself how it went 1,200

people were Massacre I think 12,00

people were killed were they massacred

yeah they were killed by terrorists they

were killed by people who were resisting

an occupation and they're terrorists

yeah well that's your view it is my view

one man's terrorist is non man's Freedom

Fighter have you never heard that well

many people who saw that interview was

shocked by someone who cast doubt

whether the October 7th attacks had even

taken place let alone not considering

Hamas to be terrorists after it

dismissing any civilian deaths as

collateral and act of resistance could

remain working in the National Health

Service with a salary paid by the

British taxpayer at the same time it was

reasonable to debate whether radical

opinions have any real bearing on

someone's ability to practice medicine

after all people have opinion have every

right to opinions that others find

offensive that is why he was invited on

to the show in the first place but Dr

wahed is now effectively the head of a

prescribed terror group and it's

prescribed as terror group not just here

in the UK now but in numerous other

countries too and there is no defense

for that hisb teria is a global islamist

movement which advocates for an Islamic

caliphate under Sharia law in this

country they made headlines for

denouncing LGBT filth as they put it

they're calling for an end to the

Western World Order it's outlawed in

plenty of other countries like Germany

Egypt several Arab states last week the

British Parliament officially designated

it as a terrorist organization that

means membership or support for hisb but

terer is now illegal carrying a prison

sentence of up to 14 years now to be

clear I've not called for Dr wahi to be

suspended fired or cancelled but I did

question whether his views made him fit

to serve patients many of whom by his

own admission don't even know about his

double life because he uses two separate

names now he is the head of an

officially prescribed terrorist

organization and the whole argument

becomes a lot simpler it is frankly

untenable for him to be working in the

NHS and if he wants any hope of

continuing those duties he needs to

start doing something he repeatedly

failed to do on Mich show last time

distanced himself publicly from

terrorists and

terrorism well joining me now is the

author podcast host comedian Constantine

kissy Constantine great to see you um

what do you make of this story quite

extraordinary that for decades this guy

had been operating in North London as a

GP and yet in his other uh vocation he

was leading the UK arm of a group that

was already uh considered a terror group

by many other countries and is now uh

also considered that way in this

country right and you should put some we

should put some meat on the bones of

that because you mentioned the group is

banned in Egypt Germany and a few other

countries actually appear as you

probably know the group is banned in

almost every Muslim country in the world

Indonesia the most populous Muslim

country in the world has banned hisb

Tera Pakistan Bangladesh almost every

Arab country in the Middle East has

banned hisb Tera so the question I think

we really ought to be asking is why did

the British government allow these

islamists to operate in Britain for as

long as they did now coming to your

point about whether he should be

suspended from the NHS as you know I

think both you and I are very wary of

people being uh banned or uh censored in

some way for for the opinions that they

express but I think most British people

would draw the line at being a member or

indeed the head of a now prescribed

terrorist organization and of course we

also got to remember there is a

difference between a guy stacking

shelves in the supermarket and someone

who is a GP who would be seeing patients

no intimate details about them know

their ethnicity religion and have the

power of in some situations life and

death other people so I think it's a

very different case and I've got

absolutely no problem with terrorist

sympathizers being prevented from

working in the National Health Service

right and to to be you know to be clear

about what his views were post October

7th he gave a talk on YouTube uh and he

said

this they gave the enemy a punch on the

nose all right and and it's a very

welcome punch on the

nose welcome punch on the nose which is

1,200 people including at least 800

innocent civilians including many

children women being brutally murdered

raped and some cases beheaded that was

apparently a very welcome punch on the L

says an NHS doctor whose salary is paid

by the British taxpayer I mean I think

for that

alone unless he renounces what he said

there very clearly and firmly there

could be no way back for

him well quite and I think you know if

he were to renounce it I think we'd all

question how legitimate and how sincere

that renunciation would be given his uh

body of work let's say on on this issue

I think there are some people who've

been tolerated for far too long in our

country and uh members of his bir terer

which is now thankfully prescribed uh if

they're not citizens of this country I

think the British people will be asking

why are they still here yeah because we

had uh in October at the same uh wahed

addressing a rally outside the Egyptian

and Turkish embassies in London during

which he told the crowd victory has

coming everyone has to choose a side

another senior member mazia Khan of the

same now terror group said what is the

solution to liberate people in the

concentration camp called Palestine and

they chanted back Jihad jih had G we got

a clip of this what is the solution to

liberate people in the concentration

camp from Palestine what is the solution

I mean you know we there's been lots of

debate about the pro Palestinian marches

I'm going to come to some fascinating

footage that you've done for a film

about those um and you know many people

are there legitimately Marching for

peace I completely get that but when you

have people on the Streets of London

chanting Jihad Jihad Jihad that is

unacceptable and you will remember peers

that the the Met police shamefully uh

instead of dealing with those people

under the law of this country instead

what they did is they said well Jihad

has many meanings and essentially

pretended not to understand what those

people were calling for um but as you

say people have a right to protest

people should speak freely and express

themselves and by the way uh I think

actually you know you and I both take a

lot of flaque for so-called platforming

people with the wrong opinions I

actually think this is a very good

example of a situation in which allowing

people to speak freely and express their

horrific opinions in public is a a a

thing a method that allows them to

express those opinions and then for the

public frankly to take a position on

whether those people should be serving

them in the Public Health Service should

be in our country if they're not

citizens of this country and I actually

think you've done a very good job pece

of bringing these people into the light

and letting them hang themselves with

their own rope yeah I mean people said

you exposed him uh and you've got him

suspended no he exposed himself by

expressing very firmly his own views

which were support supportive of Hamas

which is a prescribed terror group in

this country so that was in itself

illegal actually what he was doing and

now he is the head of an organization

that's just been designated as a terror

group and that is also illegal so

there's a lot of crime being committed

here by this NHS doctor never mind

anything else uh I didn't expose that he

was doing it himself I want to bring in

now the columnist in commentate to vaj

Ali V thank you very much indeed for

joining me um what do you make of a

story I mean me this this guy is an NHS

doctor for many decades I'm sure

there'll be plenty of his patients who'd

say he's a perfectly good doctor what's

he got to do with that that he has these

views but now the UK government has

prescribed the organization that he runs

in the UK as a terrorist organization is

his position as a doctor here

untenable well listen the show is called

uncensored and I think all of us agree

that in a free Society we should have

something what we have in America the

First Amendment freedom of worship free

speech freedom of assembly and

unfortunately there are elements

extremist elements within our society

that we tolerate that doesn't mean that

we agree with them that doesn't mean

that we support them that doesn't mean

we endorse them like I'll give you an

example his myor has been an annoyance

an annoyance in my life they're here in

America they're all around they have

these aspirational dreams of a caliphate

that will never happen and some of them

have very hateful views right they do

not like me at all in this particular

situation though you have to realize

that several British governments have

tried to commit uh hism as a terror

organization this is not the first right

but they haven't found any actionable

threats in this particular climate in

the past three months as you know you

had your former Home Secretary uh Suella

Braverman not really uh a fan uh of I

would say Muslim or Muslim immigrants

who during these protests where a bunch

of these nuts uh sparsely populated

protests yelled the word Jihad and

apparently praised Hamad she wanted to

expose them right she said look into it

and then now in the past two weeks you

finally have exposed them as a terror

group quotequote terror group but there

are zero actionable Terror threats so

what happens in this situation it

reminds me Pierce as an American of a

post 911 climate where he had 19 foreign

Muslim hijackers who brought down the

two towers and the country lost its mind

and use that as a giant net to go after

a bunch of Muslims we did a registry

program we uh deported 13,000 immigrants

we literally had the NYPD peers in this

country surveil Muslim mosques Muslim

students Muslim grocery stores right

anyone who said the wrong word people

were kicked off of planes for saying

Arabic words so I'm sitting here and I'm

I'm listening to your conversation and I

think you did the right thing these nuts

Who exist right you expose them you

marginalize them you bring them on and

then they go into the fringes of society

in America we have the KKK in America if

you look at this there's a capital right

behind me there are people who did a

violent Insurrection against the United

States in that Capital we have elected

officials in America who call those

people

political prisoners and martyrs they're

elected uh people who incited violence

against our law enforcement so I think

the the what you what I hope you're not

doing and I I feel like you're doing is

this giant net this giant hammer to

crush them I think it will not make

things better in in Great Britain and in

Europe and I think it will give Fuel and

fod to extremists on both sides the

right-wing uh militant nationalists the

white nationalist who attacked the

police after Home Secretary braverman's

article you remember that

and also these Fringe elements I think

it will further radicalize them I don't

think this is what you do in a free

Society but that's just me speaking on

your show called un well you know what

it's an unsensored show and you rais

some very interesting and valid points

constant what's your reaction to What

bad said there well my re my reaction is

I I encourage all our viewers to go and

uh watch an interview with the UAE

foreign minister given in 2017 in which

he warned Western governments that their

obsession with uh political correctness

his words not mine and being unwilling

to deal with Islamic extremism in the

way that it should be dealt with uh will

lead to more terrorism and more violent

crime in their countries and that uh

interview has gone super viral on the

internet precisely because of how

prophetic it was uh if as I said earlier

almost every Muslim country in the world

considers these people to be Islamic

extremists who are to be banned I think

we should be learning from them uh on

how to deal with these people instead of

thinking that we in our liberal Society

are able to integrate all these people

these people do not belong in this

country and their views do not belong in

this country and as I say if they're not

citizens of this country they should not

be here yeah you know it's interesting I

when I walk around now because there's

been loads of memes about me because of

all the big interviews we've done and it

always has me dressed up as some

reporter saying do you condemn Hamas to

inappropriate people all the time and I

get asked in my street and do you

condemn Hass like it's a joke and I said

you know I always reply to people you

know know you have to start with that

question do you condemn what Hamas did

on October the 7th and do you accept

it's a terrorist attack because if you

can't accept that badad to me if you

can't accept that basic fact uh which we

saw not because people invented those uh

those monstrosities they committed but

because they openly brazenly broadcast

them to the world through their own

technology to because they were proud of

what they were committing I don't think

if if you don't start from a position

that you condemn what Hamas did I don't

really have much time for

you then why are you in a democracy why

do you claim to be an enlightened

government why are you any different

from authoritarian Muslim countries that

crack down on any group any group they

don't like there's a reason why we have

the First Amendment there's a reason why

you have a freedom uh of assembly of

Association of a free speech because

like volter said I don't agree with what

you said while defend to the death your

right to say it that doesn't mean you

like them I'll give you an example the

United States we have the KKK an actual

terrorist group that committed terrorism

against black and white Americans they

still exist they have the right to

assembly they do their stupid marches

like cowards they put on their masks I

don't know if you saw that viral video

it went viral that a bunch of them

wearing white masks in New York got

stuck at a Turn Style because they

didn't know how to use uh the New York

subway station just exquis it it was

like a melbrook scene but they exist we

had literally people saying the Jews

will not replace us and Donald Trump

said they're very fine people we

literally have people like I said going

against this Capital right here

committing a violent Insurrection but

for some strange reason when the number

one domestic Terror threat in America

and also increasingly in Europe and the

UK is white terrorists white nationalist

terrorists white ex extremists I never

hear anyone say you know what we should

ban them we should Deport them oh what I

instead hear is they have economic

anxiety the double standard here at play

has to be exposed right and I want

people to really think about what

they're really advocating if someone

doesn't like your speech you know what

you're not just going to be uh not

tolerated you're going to be deported

especially if you're a person of color

how does that make a multi-racial

society that is both the UK and America

safer and better especially and I'm

speaking now as an American and you know

in the UK the rising domestic Terror

threat is not Islamic extremism which by

the way exists it is white nationalist

extremism not a single word about that

but I hear all these Free Speech

Advocates all these people are all about

Western Civilization all all of a sudden

turn to censorship and all of a sudden

become authoritarian when it comes to

Muslims and people of hang why is that

hang let me educate your guest a little

bit about his own

country please educate

me I I'm about to be quiet and I will

now first of all nobody's calling for

people to be deported because of their

views we have laws in this country

against organizations that are

prescribed as terrorists and I have no

problem with terrorist being removed

from this country under the laws of this

country secondly Donald Trump never said

that the people calling uh for the

eradication of Jews will find people if

you go and look at his quotes he

actually condemned them and they said

they should be condemned absolutely but

the people who were there protesting

about the statues they were the ones

that would fine people now you should

educate yourself about those things and

thirdly you should educate about the

fact that regrettably I would quite like

to have a First Amendment here in the UK

we do not have a First Amendment and I

would have a lot more sympathy with your

argument if we hadn't spent the last 10

years watching people be sacked from

their jobs for saying women are women

and men are men yeah and I would also

add that when you say that I'm not

respecting Free Speech vat when I say I

don't respect people who won't condemn a

mass they're I didn't say you no no but

they can say it they can say it I just

don't have to respect it it's a bit like

when I block people on Twitter course

you don't have to respect it but when I

when I block people on on X for example

formerly Twitter and people say well

you're suppressing their free speech no

I'm not they can still tweet what the

hell they like I just don't have to read

it I don't have to hear it you know that

this that actually is what free speech

is and the First Amendment which is one

of the most powerful Protectors of free

speech in the world it doesn't cover

many things from child pornography to

defamation to all sorts of stuff is is

not protected by the First Amendment and

nobody I don't think who looks at this

sensibly would say that a terror group

that espouses not just hatred but

violent hatred and the mass killing of

people that is never protected by free

speech is it and should it be uh it it

shouldn't be but listen this is

interesting uh speaking about education

allow me to retort and educate and I'll

give you an example about the double

standards and I want you guys to really

respond to this speaking about terrorism

and violence on the platform you

mentioned X also known as Twitter one of

the wealthiest men Elon Musk has

repeatedly promoted the replacement

Theory an anti-semitic Terror uh anti

anti-semitic conspiracy that blames Jews

for trying to weaken and replace Western

Civilization with Muslims and immigrants

and lgbtq communities right that

conspiracy theory has radicalized

individuals to commit violence against

Jews against Muslims against black

people against Latinos that conspiracy

has been retweeted and platformed and

mainstreamed by the Republican party

people like Elise stonic and Donald

Trump who by the way dined with Nick

Fuentes the leading white nationalist

leader in America you guys are fine with

that when it comes to any other group

that who said we're fine wait a minute

who said we're okay I wrot a whole

column condemning it what are you

talking about good but you're not going

to deport them right are you going to

deport them are you going to are you

going to call them out for

uhp people who are citizens who are not

citizens of the country should be

deported if they're members of a

terrorist group why don't you understand

the distinction member of a terrorist

group and saying something wrong should

us and UK should us and UK government

and National Security go after the these

groups and these elected officials and

these organizations that have literally

repeated and mainstreamed a conspiracy

that has motivated terrorists to commit

terrorism anyone who is a member of a

terrorist group should be prosecuted

under the law of the country in which

they are a terrorist group a terrorist

group that's not what I asked well but

that's what I said so you were

challenging me about something I'm and

I'm very

curious curious why you are not

concerned about this

I didn't say I wasn't concerned about it

I said you can't Deport citizens of the

country in which they live A and B I

keep pointing out to you that the person

we're talking about in this case this

NHS GP he is a member of a terrorist

group we're not talking about him having

the wrong opinions people are allowed to

have the wrong opinions both in this

country and in your country it's

something that we all celebrate as part

of the heritage of Western civilization

and we would all I hope defend the issue

here is we have la in this country about

being a member of a terrorist group and

people who are members of a terrorist

group I hope you would agree with me

should be prosecuted to the full extent

of the law and if they are prosecuted to

the extent of the law and they are

foreign citizens should be deported will

we agree on

that we will agree that and I'll also

say this uh for those who are watching

especially the youth uh there's a great

meme a family guy meme where there's a

chart of who gets to be labeled a

terrorist and who doesn't uh the front

part of the chart is when you have

lights skin you're not a terrorist when

it gets dark and people like you always

bring race into it it's got nothing to

do with race and everything to do with

people who kill

people yes people like you race ba like

heard yes and I've not heard you really

Express this much outrage against the

number one domestic Terror threat

against all our communities in America

and the UK which is rising white

National I a darkn first generation

immigrant to the UK I don't play your

racial games stop using your skin color

as a way to shut other people up and

let's talk about the issue the issue

here is should we tolerate foreign

terrorist should we remove them and my

opinion is we should remove people who

are not conducive to this country and if

someone like me first generation

immigrant comes here and wants to be a

terrorist it is first generation

immigrants like me that at the front of

the queue to get them out okay it's been

a fascinating debate

are not conducive to the it's been a f I

actually think who are terrorists yes I

actually think V to be fair to you I do

think that the white nationalism uh

related terrorist acts that we see

increasingly is never played up as much

actually as islamist Terror was

particularly in the Heyday of al-Qaeda

and Isis I think it's a perfectly valid

point to make for what is worth I think

I've made that point actually before um

Before I Let You Go Constantine you've

done a lot of filming with the pro

Palestinian marches in London what did

you

find well I actually went over the last

few month P we went to the protest

against anti-Semitism we went to two pro

Palestine protests we went to an

Extinction rebellious Rebellion protest

which was very very funny I encourage

people to go and watch that but at the

latest Pro Palestine protest in

particular there was some fascinating

scenes and you know we really tried to

talk to people with an open mind I don't

have actually contrary to the discussion

we've just had particularly strong

position on I'm interested really in

getting people's views and one of the

things that came through very strongly

is uh young people in particular of whom

there are many the way I would kind of

describe the demographics are it's a

mixture of sort of beards and head

scarves on the one hand and septum

piercings and colored hair on the other

um the young people who are there in

particular when you ask some very very

basic questions you know from which

river to let's take a look at a clip

actually we've got a we've got a clip

with some of this let's watch it here so

I just noticed the signs you got from

The River To The Sea Palestine will be

free what does that mean well it's quite

self exan how would that come about what

would happen to the isra

ETC I

don't I'm trying to think of how to word

it isn't it just as self-explanatory as

the area of land it's palestine's land

what's a socialist in if I'm being

honest with you I just got this at the

stand over there okay I don't actually

know the definition of the word

inap I mean it's kind of laughable I

don't think for a moment that a lot of

people on that March are that ignorant

about it a lot of them clearly are well

informed and absolutely marching because

they want peace and they want to see far

and Gaza I completely understand that

but vaj when you hear that there are a

lot of young people joining up in these

marches who are completely clueless and

I actually blame Tik Tok more than

anything which is the number one news

source now for kids under 25 and spews

just Relentless nonsense into their

heads and that's where they get their

news uh this is where I'm going to stand

up for the Youth if you look at the

youth it's been a stunning change where

most youth people uh youth here and

abroad are actually if you will Pro

Palestinian and want the occupation to

end and the flip side to that pierce I

would say is the following for those who

are watching we're the same when it

comes to Facebook we're the same when it

comes to X and we're the same when it

comes to mainstream media you are a

breath of fresh because you allow

multiple opinions to come on uh you know

talk about Palestinian side and Israeli

side in America you know that this

wasn't the case and so for those people

who are terrified by the Tik Tok just

think about what limited viewpoints that

you got for 30 40 years and now for

better and for worse this young

generation is exposed to multiple

narratives and they see for themselves

what's happening which is why you see

the shift in which a lot of people

especially in Israel and here are

horrified by the N Yahoo government want

an end to the occupation want to seize

fire hate Hamas hat hate extremists in

the nyaho government and believe that

Palestinians have a right to Freedom

yeah well they certainly do in my

estimation but there is one clip uh

Constantine which really got to me it

was about me let's take a look so I I

see you've got a sign that a journalism

that get paid for selling lies and I'm

guessing that's Pierce Morgan right why

do you say that this is journalism

that's selling

lies um it's very obvious what is going

on all the lies about what happened on

the October 7th the justification for

the genocide they're all based on Lies

when you say lies about October 7th what

do you mean all those allegations that

we never saw any footages of of

decapitated children that Pi Morgan

always asked about and all those women

that get got uh gang raped I mean it was

quite extraordinary Constantine because

one of the problems with platforming

everybody actually for the last three

months is you end up with the extremes

on both sides hating you with equal

Vengeance and often being completely ill

informed actually about what I've

actually said um but it was enlightening

to see that because I see that all day

long on social media that kind of view

which is really based on a lack of

reality well there was a lot of that

going on in the protest and

interestingly I mean you say most people

there are well informed uh we released

in that half an hour documentary that

people can go to trigonometry our

YouTube channel and watch we released

every single interview that we did uh so

we haven't cherry-picked these moments

to make people look bad or anything like

that it contains they're shortened down

but they are basically the content of

what people said to us okay and I have

to say most of the people we spoke to a

didn't really seem that actually that

well informed most of them and secondly

I would say that was an awful lot of the

sort of thing you just heard where

people have some kind of way of

pretending October 7th didn't happen in

fact the first person you see in the

video talks about how it's a false flag

operation there seems to be a lot of

that going on too where where people are

sort of they they sort of wish away the

terrorist attack on October 7th and it

makes sense because if you're calling

for a ceasefire uh and you're calling on

Israel to unilaterally essentially

engage in ceasefire you have to pretend

October 7th didn't happen because

otherwise you'd be calling on Hamas to

hand over the hostages and the

terrorists who took them because that's

how you get a ceasefire yeah I mean one

of the the biggest blowups I had vat was

after that interview with that doctor

actually uh in which I'd already read

out some quotes from another member of

his group uh talking about LGBT filth

feminist filth really horrible

homophobic misogynist stuff which this

guy had been caught saying uh and and

the doctor is the leader of the UK arms

as one of his one of his people and then

he talked about people who want now to

women in particular who want now to

become Muslim and I said what to live

under oppression and what I meant was

the oppression that had been spouted by

this guy you know I'm not remotely

anti-muslim I'm not remotely anti-islam

I led the media campaign in this country

against the Iraq War for example I led

the defense of Qatar for its right to

have the World Cup and Expos a lot of

Western hypocrisy about the Chris there

and so on so I really am not remotely

anti-muslim I was talking about the kind

of inter a of Islam and Muslim world

that members of that group ESP spous

which is vile against women so if you

want them to come into that world it is

oppressive um but it was interesting to

me to watch the Ferocious explosion on

social media which B no relation to the

context of why I said what I

said if if I may uh I've been in this

for a long time I was 21 years old when

911 happened I Muslim American a college

student and let me just if I may explain

to your viewers the double standard that

the rest of us feel just very quickly

Muslims are asked for the past 20 years

to condemn violent acts done by vient

people we've never met when I came on

your show last time you remember that it

was a Nutty guest who accused me of

being Hamas simply because I'm Muslim

and I had to condemn every single

violent extremist organization that's a

double standard that never happens to

any other group and I hope it doesn't

happen to any other group the second

thing is the most extreme violent

members of our quot unquote Community

are used to define us the most extreme

violent repr reprehensible people are

used to define the religion of 1.8

billion people that does not happen to

other other groups right imagine if I

said all white people are defined by the

KKK or Donald Trump and each and every

single time you're on TV I'm asking you

what do you say about these white

nationalist groups what do you say about

Donald Trump aren't you ashamed have you

condemned them you're like why are you

asking me and most of my friends are

like this and finally the warning the

warning I want to give the warning I

want to give here is you and I pierce

had the foresight to see the devastation

of the the war on terror you and I were

the ones 20 years ago who were against

it for those who are watching especially

in the UK learn from the America's

mistakes when you use fear and anger and

rage to create domestic foreign policies

it leads to extremism it leads to

divisions we had a war against Iraq and

Afghanistan we had a quagmire we had

people being deported we had a chilling

effect we had a trust deficit between

law enforcement and American Muslim

communities we had to rise in hate

crimes learn from our mistakes and don't

let the worst of you and your worst

fears contaminate what you have in in UK

which is a multi-racial society you

still have hope vck thank you very much

indeed for joining me especially at late

notice as it was today and we appreciate

it Constantine always great to have you

on I I commend that film you've made

it's very enlightening people can go see

it on the trigonometry uh website which

is well worth half an hour of your time

thank