Seduced & Abandoned: The Body in the Virtual World - The Feminine Cyberspace
Summary
TLDR视频剧本深入探讨了网络空间的物质性与象征性,挑战了将网络空间视为非物质化、象征性区域的传统观点。演讲者批判了西方父权文化中逃离肉体、追求非物质状态的长期梦想,并指出网络空间实际上增强了这种梦想,但最终无法摆脱肉体的束缚。讨论还涉及了女性与机器的联系,以及在数字化时代,身份认同的转变和流动性,暗示女性可能在技术发展中扮演着先前被低估的角色。
Takeaways
- 🌐 讨论了网络空间(cyberspace)并非是无形的隐喻或象征性区域,而是实际影响现实世界的物质存在。
- 🚀 指出了西方文化中长久以来试图逃离物质世界,追求非物质状态的理想主义倾向。
- 🤖 探讨了赛博朋克(cyberpunk)作品中体现的对逃离肉体(meat)的渴望,及其与西方父权文化的关系。
- 👩💻 对于女性在网络空间中的身份和角色进行了讨论,质疑了将网络空间女性化(feminized)的必要性。
- 🔧 强调了技术发展,特别是数字化和网络空间,如何与所谓的“女性化”过程相联系,挑战了传统的男性身份。
- 🧬 讨论了身份认同的转变,特别是在技术影响下,身份认同如何从统一的自我向分散的、非中心化的自我转变。
- 💊 描述了药物、性、网络性爱等如何作为文化现象,反映出身体与技术融合的现实。
- 🤝 提出了女性与机器之间可能存在的内在联系,并探讨了女性在技术领域的活跃参与。
- 🌐 指出了网络空间实质上是物质性的,与身体紧密相连,反驳了网络空间是逃离肉体的非物质领域的观念。
- 🔄 强调了在赛博朋克文化中,身体和机器的界限变得模糊,身体本身变成了一个复杂的、动态的系统。
- 🔮 对于未来,提出了女性可能在技术发展中扮演的角色,以及这可能如何影响我们对性别、身份和物质世界的理解。
Q & A
什么是赛博空间(cyberspace),为什么作者认为它不仅仅是一个隐喻或象征性区域?
-赛博空间通常被理解为一个由计算机和网络技术构成的虚拟领域。作者认为,将其仅视为隐喻或象征性区域是一种重复西方理想主义的做法,这种做法试图将人类从物质世界中解放出来,进入一个非物质的领域。作者反对这种观点,认为赛博空间实际上是物质世界的一部分,与我们的身体和现实紧密相连。
作者为什么反对将赛博空间女性化?
-作者认为赛博空间本身已经对男性身份构成挑战,没有必要按照女性化的传统观念去改变它。作者提出,赛博空间的发展可能自然地削弱了男性身份的某些方面,而不是需要我们主动去女性化它。
为什么作者认为西方文化一直试图逃离物质世界?
-作者指出,西方文化,特别是自苏格拉底以来,一直有一个梦想,即通过灵魂的净化来逃离身体,达到一种纯粹的知识状态。这种思想贯穿了西方文化的历史,赛博空间被视为实现这一梦想的终极机会。
作者如何描述赛博朋克文化中的身体观念?
-在赛博朋克文化中,身体并没有被抛弃,而是以一种新的形式回归,成为一种能够自我解放和重新组织的存在。这种身体观念与苏格拉底时代的身体观念形成鲜明对比,后者将身体视为灵魂净化的障碍。
作者提到的“女性化”( feminization)是什么,它与数字化有什么关系?
-作者所说的“女性化”是指一系列过程,这些过程正在改变传统的男性身份和权力结构。数字化是这一过程的一部分,因为它促进了信息和通信技术的普及,这些技术不再受传统性别角色的限制,为女性提供了新的机会和力量。
为什么作者认为女性与机器有某种内在的联系?
-作者认为,女性由于历史上一直被排除在技术之外,她们被迫发展出多种角色和身份,这种多元化和非中心化的身份与机器和系统的自组织特性相呼应。因此,女性可能更自然地适应了与机器和技术的融合。
作者如何看待女性在技术发展中的角色变化?
-作者认为,随着技术的发展,特别是数字化和赛博空间的出现,女性的角色正在发生变化。她们不再仅仅是技术的使用者或服务者,而是成为了技术创新和发展的推动者。
为什么作者认为传统的男性身份在当前社会中面临危机?
-作者认为,随着技术的发展和社会结构的变化,传统的男性身份,特别是那种以控制和自主为特征的身份,正在失去其稳定性和权威性。这种危机是男性对失去控制和定义能力的反应。
作者提到的“赛博格”(cyborg)概念是什么,它如何影响我们对身份的理解?
-赛博格是一种混合了有机生命和机器元件的生物,它挑战了传统的人类身份概念。赛博格的出现表明,身份不再是一个固定和统一的概念,而是一个可以被重新编程和改变的动态实体。
作者如何看待技术发展对人类自我认知的影响?
-作者认为,技术发展,特别是赛博空间和赛博格的概念,正在改变人类的自我认知。我们不再将自己视为独立的、有明确界限的实体,而是开始认识到我们是与技术、信息和其他生命形式相互连接和交织的网络的一部分。
在作者看来,未来的性别角色和身份将如何发展?
-作者认为,未来的性别角色和身份将变得更加流动和多样化。随着技术的发展和社会观念的变化,传统的性别界限将变得模糊,人们将有更多的自由去探索和表达自己的身份。
Outlines
🤖 网络空间的物质性与身份危机
第一段主要探讨了网络空间的物质性问题,挑战了将网络空间视为一种抽象、象征性或非物质空间的观点。演讲者质疑了西方文化中长期存在的逃离物质世界、追求非物质状态的理想主义传统,认为网络空间并非是这种传统的实现,而是被误解了。此外,还讨论了女性视角下对网络空间的性别化问题,认为网络空间已经对男性身份构成敌意,无需进一步女性化。
🧠 身份认同与技术发展的历史交织
第二段深入讨论了身份认同与技术发展之间的关系,指出虚拟世界和网络空间的概念是由人类对完全控制的渴望所塑造的。演讲者提出,尽管人们试图逃离物质世界,但身体从未被真正遗弃,反而开始学习如何摆脱传统的限制。此外,还提到了数字化和虚拟化过程中出现的文化现象,如智能商品、网络性爱等,这些现象表明身体以一种新的形式回归,挑战了传统观念。
🚀 技术进步与性别角色的演变
第三段讨论了技术进步如何影响性别角色和身份认同。演讲者指出,随着技术的发展,特别是数字化和网络空间的出现,传统的男性身份认同正面临危机。女性不再仅仅是男性的对立面或生物学上的固定角色,而是在文化和技术领域中展现出前所未有的力量。此外,还提到了女性与机器之间的历史联系,以及女性在技术发展中的新角色。
🌐 网络空间与身体的物质性
第四段进一步探讨了网络空间与身体的物质性,强调网络空间并非是逃离物质世界的手段,而是一个物质性的过程和领域。演讲者通过引用威廉·吉布森的作品,描述了网络空间中的身体体验,这些体验充满了物质性和感官性。同时,还讨论了神经化学重编程和身体与计算机之间的界限模糊,指出这种融合可能导致对传统身份认同的挑战。
🧬 后人类时代的性别与技术
第五段讨论了在数字化和网络空间的影响下,性别角色和身份认同的后人类视角。演讲者提出,随着技术的发展,传统的性别角色和身份认同正在发生变化,女性可能在这一过程中占据优势。同时,还探讨了女性与技术之间的特殊联系,以及女性在网络空间中的活跃角色。此外,还提到了女性在历史上的多重角色,以及这些角色如何为她们在技术领域的成功奠定基础。
🌟 女性在技术发展中的新兴角色
第六段强调了女性在技术发展中的新兴角色,特别是在网络空间和数字化领域。演讲者指出,女性在历史上被排除在技术之外,但现在她们在这些领域中展现出了先进的能力和无畏的精神。此外,还讨论了女性如何利用她们在历史上的多重角色和身份,以及她们与技术之间的特殊联系,来适应和引领技术发展的未来趋势。
💬 技术、性别与身份认同的讨论
第七段是一段关于技术、性别与身份认同的讨论,涉及了女性在技术领域的参与、身份认同的流动性以及技术发展对人类的影响。演讲者提出了一些关于女性与技术关系的悖论,包括女性在技术领域的活跃参与与历史排斥之间的矛盾,以及身份认同的不断变化是否真正可取的问题。此外,还提到了技术发展可能带来的社会和文化变革,以及这些变革对性别角色和身份认同的影响。
🌌 技术与灵魂的双重性
第八段探讨了技术与灵魂之间的双重性,讨论了即使在高度技术化的世界中,人类仍然寻求灵魂的满足和超自然的认可。演讲者通过电影《太空英雄》中的例子,说明了即使在技术最为发达的领域,人们仍然需要某种仪式或信仰来安抚灵魂。此外,还讨论了技术发展与人类精神需求之间的关系,以及这种关系如何影响我们对技术进步的看法和接受度。
🔮 技术决定论的反思
第九段对技术决定论进行了反思,讨论了技术是否能够决定社会变革,以及技术发展与人类意愿之间的关系。演讲者强调,技术是由人类创造的,并且是通过语言和对未来的设想来实现的,而不是单纯由技术本身决定的。同时,还提到了技术发展可能带来的物质约束,以及如何在这些约束中寻找平衡和进步。
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Keywords
💡赛博空间
💡身份危机
💡女性化
💡虚拟现实
💡物质性
💡控制
💡技术决定论
💡身份认同
💡后现代性
💡网络
💡机器与人类
Highlights
讨论了信息密度方法和不同观点,提出对赛博朋克作品中“逃离肉体”概念的质疑。
赛博空间被视为一种隐喻或象征性区域,但演讲者认为这是西方父权文化的一种延续。
对赛博空间的性别化讨论,提出没有必要按照传统女性观念去女性化赛博空间。
赛博朋克作品中对身体的重新关注,展现了技术发展中身体的新角色。
西方文化中长久以来对灵魂与身体分离的追求,以及赛博空间如何满足这一梦想。
赛博空间并非完全脱离物质,而是与身体紧密相连,这一点在文化反响中得到体现。
数字化和“女性化”过程的联系,以及这对男性身份认同的冲击。
女性与技术的关系正在经历变革,女性可能在技术发展中扮演前所未有的角色。
探讨了女性在历史进程中的地位,以及她们与机器的相似性。
女性与机器的共同点,以及它们如何共同经历和影响现代化进程。
对女性身份的重新定义,以及她们在后现代社会中的新角色。
赛博朋克小说中对身体和神经化学重编程的探索。
讨论了赛博朋克文化中对超越物质、达到精神层面的追求。
赛博空间中的身体经验,如何与物质性紧密相连。
对西方身份认同的挑战,特别是在面对身体和机器融合时。
女性在技术发展中的边缘地位,以及她们如何利用这一点获得新的力量。
对女性与机器之间关系的深入分析,以及这种关系如何塑造未来社会。
讨论了女性在技术领域的新兴角色,以及她们如何推动技术发展。
对赛博朋克作品中女性角色的分析,以及她们与虚拟世界的联系。
对女性身份的进一步探讨,包括她们在技术发展中的潜力和挑战。
Transcripts
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otherwise usual I've got too many pieces
of paper and not enough time so I'm
going to go through the information
density approach and so lots of things
like but as different I will be here all
weekend so I hope there's lots of time
for discussion both after I've finished
just now and also over the rest of the
weekend there's a couple of things which
has come up this morning which are
things and building ideas I wanted to
take issue with in this paper which is
basically about the the idea of getting
out of the meet a notion to which I'm
indebted to Pat Cadogan amongst other
cyberpunk writers and the whole question
of what the meet actually is in
cyberpunk and of course in real life the
two ideas that have came up this morning
that that I was particularly noticed
first of all this notion of cyberspace
and the virtual being something of a
metaphor or a symbolic zone or some has
some immaterial and space this is one
ideas that I really want to contest the
second is that there's some the notion
that it's somehow necessary from a
woman's point of view to go in and
somehow feminized cyberspace according
to some usually pre-existing notion of
the feminine and I want to suggest
readers and matrix if I hope you'll see
by the time I finished is already very
much hostile to masculine identity and
there's no great need for us to rush in
and somehow turn it into something
female but first of all on this question
of cyberspace itself being supposedly
immaterial massive symbolism metaphor an
imaginary zone this is really the
tendency to make cyberspace lust to make
many things into a matter of metaphor or
representation is really imagine
repeating the great idealist project
which is characterized Western
patriarchal culture which has always
been an attempt to somehow climb
ourselves matter to get into some
immaterial zone a zone it would be both
insubstantial and ineffectual those two
sense of the word immaterial and we can
see even with this in cyberpunk itself
that it even after there's been so much
said about the collapse between
of the distinction between social
reality and science fiction that people
still want to make science cyberpunk
itself into simply a matter of fiction
again a metaphor somehow for our times
and this even after we've seen the the
real effect in the world which cyberpunk
has obviously already had and even the
body finally in this high-tech world
somehow it gets back onto the agenda or
perhaps onto the agenda for the first
time but again it's a massive metaphor
is in this session today is called the
body of metaphor metaphor for what is
the question that I want to really be
asking and this tendency to turn
everything is that immateriality is
really as I say an old trick of Western
patriarchy and cyberspace can of course
always be seen and will have been seen
largely as the fulfillment of this great
dream again of getting out of the meet
getting out of matter as I say it's an
ancient dream it really goes back at
least as far as to the sort of sources
of Westerners lost see with Socrates who
himself says if every are to have pure
knowledge of everything anything we must
get rid of the body and contemplate
things by themselves with the soul by
itself so Socrates and consequently the
whole history of Western culture has
really dreamt of some notion of the soul
being separate and independent of the
body he says it seems as long as we are
alive will continue closest to knowledge
if we avoid as much as we can or
contacts an association with the body
expect when absolutely necessary and
instead of allowing ourselves to become
infected with its nature purify
ourselves from it until God Himself
gives us deliverance that is very much
this attempt to be purified to escape
from the body to escape its
contamination and I say it's inevitable
that cyberspace would of course been
welcomed into this sort of culture as
the ultimate chance to finally make this
escape from the meat or as I say to
become simply a symbolic zone an
immaterial zone finally we get to the
great dream of the Western of Western
culture as the body as metaphor finally
removed from all of its visceral
activity its blood and guts and all the
messy stuff that man would always rather
have left behind and so cyberspace does
really feed obviously this dream for
toes
control for autonomy for the perfect end
of the Great Western patriarchal project
the great resolution of the masculine
identity crisis the points at which the
soul would finally be united with itself
and of course all this has been
encouraged in fiction and in film and so
on by series like for example Oliver
Stone's while palms by the lawnmower man
again all these great dreams of the
immortality of becoming God are finally
making it the pure insubstantial
omnipotent sense of identity now of
course the whole notion of the virtual
and of cyberspace is is indeed apart and
wrong the human perspective it has
indeed been produced by this very desire
for total control the final autonomy
escape from the meat in that sense but
it to have also been programming the
human identity which has been seeking
this no one it turns out actually
escapes from the meat instead it's a
matter of getting caught up with it the
body it turns out is never left behind
instead it's the body itself which
begins to learn how to disentangle
itself from all either flies constrained
already we can see this in all the sort
of cultural fallout from cyberspace and
and VR drugs
cybersex prosthetic bondage starter
suits there's a convergence of all these
sort of outlaw channels on which the
body which Socrates was quite happy to
dismiss as merely some sort of vehicle
some carrier for man's great dreams sort
of the raw material for his own
adventures the body begins now to return
in a very different form to this empty
back wrist shell which was left behind
in the past and now we can see this
great dream as well of the whole of
Western patriarchal culture really
heading into crisis digitization it
seems is integral to a process of what
is now actually quite overtly and quite
frequently being named as feminization
there are a number of processes which
again are all converging which now find
man in his own words this is actually
creating jeremy paxman on a Newsnight
program quite recently oh it's not by my
adjusting to irrelevance or to quote
another recent paranoid responsiveness
the fact that man is becoming the
disposable
it seems it takes an irresponsible
feminism which may indeed not be any
sort of feminism at all to try and trace
all of the paths on which on the one
hand woman begins to assemble herself as
a new and unprecedented force in
contemporary culture and also subtract
these processes whereby masculine
identity and the figure of man in that
abstract sense is finally being
undermined and what I want to suggest is
that all of our notions or most of
feminism's previous notions of what
woman is and what woman may be and
consequently what women's relation to
technology may be are really fact to be
found wanting
the woman is neither man-made or somehow
man's other she's not biologically fixed
from a central point of view nor is she
sort of wholly absent and not there at
all with the Lacanian sand and the
deconstructionist instead she is
actually in the process in a process
which has been going on for some time
this process of feminization is also the
great Clarion cry which really seems to
again be coming from an old for the
sense of masculine identity is summed up
by again a guy who is on TV for about a
month ago on on the program about men
who again with a great tone of paranoia
said women and robots are taking our
jobs
and it's that fuel attack which clearly
suggests that there is some connection
made at least in the minds of this old
power center between women and
intelligent machines and indeed you can
look back over the whole history of
feminism and begin to see some sort of
emergent pattern whereby the status of
machinery in any sense particularly in
terms of a means of communication and
also the status of women have actually
developed concurrently and have
developed together it seems that there
is therefore some processes feminization
happening which as I say we can trace
back a long way there are 4 meses those
artifacts or scales the history which
begins folding on each other so for
example with the beginnings of Madonna
see we have Mary Wollstonecraft writing
about women as the first self-governing
systems turn on and by the first
self-governing systems I mean really
what steam engine and Adam Smith market
both of those steam into a modern age
which is already waiting for Mary
Shelley another crucial figure to dream
our future to dream a future mark by
cyborgs revenge then there's a certain
ways in effect with the bursts of
technical and economic activity
generated by the Second World War
Norbert Venus systems is a do to row
plane on which machines begin to learn
how to learn and Simone de Beauvoir
writes the second sex after that is the
third phase where it gets far more
complicated just as the course we could
expect an age of complexity to get more
complicated and it seems that it is with
digitization with which all the gaps in
the material Freud is famous for calling
women gaps in the material all the gaps
in the material begin to replicate
themselves by the time Luce Irigaray
who's a French feminist writer writes
her classic texts pecking them of the
other woman it seems that de Beauvoir
second sex has already began to turn on
to her own perspective effectively
scratching at the sill things behind her
glass leaking in through the holes and
have failed this is a time of emergent
self-organization the late 70s the 80s
until the present time is a period in
which all the substances of the world
grow dangerous to those who wanted to
claim it for themselves right across the
board you can see this happening
machines begin to learn how to learn
systems begin to access their own
controls and make contact with each
other they've been to hack into their
own functioning and explore their own
intelligence this happens amongst women
it happens amongst machines viral
infections creep out from the software
plane again stealing the future away
from those who thought it was promised
to them repeating pattern sweeps across
they want so simple screens as a reality
studio fracturing the scenery and
rigging up the plans systems begin to
assemble themselves on trade routes and
lines of communication which will never
of course designed to do their own thing
we see complex emergencies exciting
themselves in the banking systems the
weather systems of a global economy
which now begins to tip into its own
systemic active
see even the commodities the medicines
all of the go-betweens all of those
things want so well-behaved us good for
the benefit of man which is in fact the
dictionary definition of the commodity
even those commodities themselves get
smart it seems that every passion lineal
thread every straight line of history
begins to run onto a nonlinear plane and
it's hardly surprising therefore the
woman herself turns on she too has been
a means of communication for man and
they all effectively turn-on together
and now we find ourselves at the time as
I say we're masculine identity is of the
consequence of this long history in
serious crisis there's a feeling that
man is losing responsibility Authority
definition resolution memory you name it
he feels he is losing it post modernity
in fact we could almost described as
being man's hysterical reaction to all
these new lacks and privations the
wounds that he incurs as control
apparently migrate we look at those we
are as obviously a classic example
finding himself suddenly apparently at
the end of history at the end of the
history in which he himself had invested
so much suddenly seduced and abandoned
but I want to suggest that in fact the
Vosges out of this world will wish it
was indeed that simple it will be very
nice I think he'll end up thinking if he
was in fact in band and by all these
processes but in fact money is not
abandoned but hooked it turns out that
he to the machine component of the
processes which now threaten his
identity collapse seduction was not um a
pleasure but on a lonely a pleasure but
also a trap and suddenly after so many
years of it being woman who is one who
is lacking and somehow missing something
suddenly its masculinity is that strong
sense of identity which is becomes the
liability which becomes a lack but it
would be a big mistake to want to simply
turn the tables around and suggest that
the past somehow belong to man and now
the future will belong to a woman and we
simply have a role reversal here men who
are moving on soon they'll have a few
new wounds and a few new sockets in
place and neurochemical programming it
seems is already well underway
on this last point of course cyberpunk
is a great place again where you do get
this theme of neurochemical
reprogramming what bruce sterling is
called the theme of mind invasion
there's a course run through every
cyberpunk novel again always as an
attacker and a corruption of a solid
older sense of identity
so I've obtained he writes crunches
together neuro and physical chemistry
genetic biology structural linguistics
cybernetics biotechnology cyborgs
engineering into a fantastic series of
sections and I'm sure most of the
audience is familiar with the speed the
complexity the intensity the montage
scenes the cutout realities that you
tend to get across all cyberpunk novel
Larry McCaffrey another conversational
cyberpunk picks out certain common theme
between Punk and its older form and
today's cyberpunk
he says they share a variety of
aesthetic impulses and influences that
extend well beyond the bits Benzedrine
rushes there is ins and pacings as their
fascination with a Grossman server he
points to a fetishization of paranoia
sexual and psychic violation and
manipulation and what he defines some of
the desire to achieve transcendence
through drugs religion or the
computer-generated answer data and again
here we have cyberpunk characterize that
gain as this desire for transcendence
somehow to get out of matter out of
imminence and into some spiritual
transcendent plane now it is indeed true
that as another commentator has pointed
out the discourses of visual so
visionary virtual world builders is rife
with images of imaginal bodies again
freed from the constraints that flesh
imposes it seems however that those
seeking transcendence will probably be
better off reading mills and boons but
certainly be sorely disappointed in a
future marked by the actualization of
images the materialization of matter and
indeed the emergence of a new and
perhaps fatally constraining flesh when
drugs and sex and what different calls
the dance of bees begin to mutate across
the cyberpunk stage ecstasy is no longer
the state of escaping matter but instead
a matter of escaping the state because
of the art the nation or the mind itself
the state is the obstacle to
becomes the question of getting out of
order a flight away from the ideal away
from transcendent a way out from the
notion of identity and masculinity this
is never in cyberpunk novels even though
many cyberpunk commentators want to
suggest this it's never a transcendent
exit from the body instead it's a
headlong acceleration into his substance
and I quote Gibson on this score saying
he knew he remembered as she pulled him
down to the meat the flesh the Cowboys
mocked it was a vast thing beyond
knowing a sea of information coded in
spiral and cereno infinite intricacy
there's only the body in his strong
blind way could ever read or again you
can see this collision with materiality
in cadres book macrophage he tore open
one of the packs swapping gin on the
floor and pops a purple purple capsule
and his nose the Cobra toxin came on
like a slow burning volcano boiling
along the surface of his brain not
enough to kill him or cause permanent
damage
just enough to cop the killing euphoria
from the cobra venom his body was molten
glass and treacle no flesh no bones just
a sizzling mass of plasma fried eyes and
melting genitals 30 seconds later he
popped the modified atropine its
molecular wave constructed in the mirror
image of the Cobra toxin and as the
inside of his skull iced over the room
exploded into negative as white glacial
light blazed behind his eyes and shot
down his final comment column this it
would seem is why drugs the words
considered to be so dangerous they do in
fact bring the body back close to home
too close to home in fact for the whole
Western notion of identity to cope with
again base actually collapsed the body
onto what was conceived previously as
the mind or the spirit or the soul of
man and force its fluids into this soul
they wrapped with materiality tabs of
tactility chilling reminders again of
the blood and guts and all the visceral
matter from which man thought to extract
this pure and unadulterated soul which
Socrates spokes off again broke off
again and so clearly this is not the
body as metaphor we're not dealing with
here the body ask them immaterial zone
it's true that calories character finds
himself escaping
flesh and bones but what he encounters
is this sizzling massive plasma fried
ice melting genitals and so on there's
nothing immaterial about that likewise
the notion that the this notion of the
body as a sort of complex and melted out
system that you get to in a lot of
cyberpunk novels especially via this
line of thought and line of inquiry by a
neurochemical reprogramming is precisely
that which we meet on the other end
visibly
computers themselves and I want to
expand a few quotes first of all from
Marshall McLuhan who made this point
many years obviously before it was it
was widely taken up again on the theme
of of drugs particularly psychedelics it
is not he says uncommon uncommon for
people on these trips especially with
new chemical drugs as opposed to organic
one to develop the illusion that they
are themselves computers this he says is
not so much a hallucination as a
discovery the points been reinforced
recently by emmanuel de Landa here in an
interview says when you trip you liquefy
structures in your brain linguistic
structures intentional structures they
acquire a less viscous consistency and
your brain becomes a supercomputer
another quote from snow crash but for
hypercard I thought you said snow crash
was a drug hero says totally nonplussed
it is the guy says try it
does it suck up your brain hero say for
your computer both neither what's the
difference that's a mixture of fictional
and so-called theoretical observations
about this same point are certain
moments in which the notion of the body
and the computer begin to collapse on
each other my own slight experience of
LSD rights Bates and Gregory Bateson led
me to believe that Prospero is wrong
when he said we are such stuff as dreams
are made on it seem to me that the pure
dream was like your purpose rather
trivial it was not the stuff of which we
are made but only bits and pieces of
that stuff
of course conscious purposes again are
only bits and pieces the systemic view
is something else again
so we have the systemic view of the
organism which begins to emerge out of
this old
of body and soul being separated from
each other and from here the organism no
longer understands itself to be some
discrete physically bounded autonomous
entity of historical progress and social
security but as based on defined this it
becomes not the transcendent entity of
self is commonly supposed to be and what
we understand as its ideas are imminent
in a network of causal pathways which he
says is not bounded by the skin but
includes all external pathways along
which informations can travel but here
we have a very material notion of
communication systems and of information
systems of the body and the computer
collapsing onto each other now it seems
that this notion of a spread out sense
of of post self is be like that not
bounded by the skin but as Bateson says
taking into account all material
pathways is a notion of identity which
has previously never been acceptable or
even thinkable or conceivable to Western
patriarchal culture and it seems that
woman have always been somehow in
proximity to this in our emerging notion
of a dispersed decentered organism she
has after all never had a unified role
this is the one thing which women have
always been denied
she's been various things of course
mirrors green commodity means of
communications means of reproduction
carrier water weaver of the cloth carer
[ __ ] machine assemblage in other words
in the services of species a sort of
general purpose systems of simulation
and self simulation while she's always
of course been forced to marry into the
family of man and assume a so-called
human identity it seems that something
of her outlaw status has always remained
she too has had to adhere to Asimov's
laws wishes or a moment to get up on the
screen the machines and the women both
of them together have had to promise to
honor and obey and of course some have
done loads more happily than others but
certainly again if we look back over the
history of modernity we see a whole
history of very unhappy fitting into
this constraining notion of human
identity we can look at hysteria
so that that was effectively the 19th
century's expression of women's process
against the confines of a humanism which
on the one hand always demanded their
complicity but on the other hand refused
and full membership as a species that
they were supposed to be serving
hysteria of course literally is the
wandering womb the womb wandering the
machinery seeking an exit looking for a
way out of this organized one hunting
for the places to the plane it becomes
what Delors in Atari call the matrix his
colors are yet to come
and even if like Simone de Beauvoir
woman has wanted nothing more than to
lose this connection to this plane and
to become fully human to become a fourth
subject it seems that she's always at
least been beginning elsewhere even
Simone de Beauvoir described a woman's
subordination not to man but to the
species so it seems that we have now a
number of options being presented
through the work of donna haraway and
many other women working in the area
where women and technology come into
close proximity with each other and the
notion of the cyborg is of course one of
the most perhaps in the passwords one of
the most bootful ideas about how this
conjunction happened but Disciple
equally is in de always in danger of
things brought back into the answer to
Norfolk tale the game with the source
few moments ago the way in which robots
always answer four or five and the
cyborg itself is answered for Morpheus
it's the notion of the organism itself
which is the problem it's the organized
member of the species which has really
been the problem for women in the past
there are suggestions again emerging in
cyberpunk fiction and film especially
that woman somehow already had some
connection to the virtual a little quote
from Mona Lisa overdrive from William
Gibson her father long ago in Arizona
had cautioned her against jacking in you
don't need it he said and he hadn't
because she dreamed cyberspace as those
in Leon gridlines of the matrix waited
for her behind her eyelid if this is the
case if indeed woman does have some
implicit prior connection to the matrix
then it would be hardly surprising that
women have so quickly become such
advanced
and fearless practitioners a virtual
engineering and it does seem indeed that
most of the advanced and interesting the
work that's happening in the field is at
the moment being done by women it seems
that all of the things which will want
such a disadvantaged women in the past
are now with this process of
digitization is slow but now I was a
slow history of modernity but the
accelerating process at the end of
modernity are really nice speeding up
and as if all is fluidity for example
and women's ability to wear many hats
fulfill many roles and never to have a
strong sense of unified self has always
been configured as the master of
deprivation and disadvantage in the past
it now becomes a positive advantage for
a future in which identity is nothing
more than a liability its digitization
which is the process by which the
feminine learns how to replicate itself
and the masculine ends up finding itself
out on the limb the processes concurrent
across a number of zones everywhere we
can see structures being invaded by
systems states being captured governors
being ignored and conditions being
solved by their own strange and fatal
attractions women's escapes and
masculine control has not turned out to
be a consequence probability to somehow
transcend her economic functions
transcend her reproductive functions
their mutation has also has the
commodity is mutated into a smart
commodity mechanical reproduction visas
of species or the work of art has become
a matter of replication and lines of
communication again across the board
begin to organize themselves the matrix
that they become or cyberspace is simply
matter turned on the process and plane
from which there are hacks or central
controls and assembles itself across the
time intensity scales there's a
self-replicating pattern beginning to
emerge of all channels of communication
converge on the fiber spatial plane
commodities become self guiding calculus
all it seems is now leaving the western
lands for the ocean with the age the
Pacific the Pacific attractor and as in
the West here where they still set the
clocks the old world order is beginning
to fall behind the time machine
intelligence
converging with a sinking organism as
both get drawn onto this chemical plane
on which intelligence discovers its own
materiality and communication now has
visible effect transplants has learned
to get in touch hitting the plateau with
tantric precision invading the climax
picking up the move even the fake
mutates into simulation and makes
contact with its own arising machines
identity has become entranced and
enchanted at the limit of the organism
fascinated in fact similar to the point
at which the body tips over onto the
plain the entranced is the access the
possessed the body ridden by its own
network of potentialities is not a
matter of us going out from the meat but
also the matrix entering the organism so
if the history of cybernetics and this
history of modernity which is also
supposedly being the great goal the
great and final thrust if you like of
the Western patriarchal project it turns
out since it's also really been a story
of the feminization of man and if the
history of cybernetics is indeed this
history of feminization then of course
the great question is what happens to
those those women in other words all of
those who are considered never quite the
same as him in the first place those
were always systems of communication now
finding themselves increasingly able to
contact each other where they always
somehow in advance where they always in
touch with something that was somehow
out of sight that is now beginning to
emerge for the first time as the virtual
may be de Beauvoir was right in the end
after the first perhaps does come the
second sex not secondary but second as
an after the first post human
I think in view of the time constraints
all I'll just give you one last line
which is to say that woman's emergence
at the end of the millennium is man's
emergency the history was remembered but
the future no one's in control its
unmanned okay thank you if I could just
um try and shut the every flow of our
presentation this afternoon it seemed to
me that we started with a history of
women's exclusions from technology and
ended up with a claim that the history
of cybernetics was in fact the history
of feminization and of marking out of
woman's affinity with the machine and I
wanted to um perhaps throw down not so
much as kind of gauntlet but certainly
is kind of sum of questions to the
speakers a series of paradox paradoxes
which where we were ducked out by in
Christine's presentation and Helen's
presentations as noticing that here were
two instances two products a few lives
of women working in programming and
using and failing high tech instances of
very high tech equipment and technology
which precisely spoke about and discuss
women's historical exclusion from
technology and the second paradox is
this that in the notion of the
constantly shifting identities the
dissented self and the differences in
flux
if this is true is it desirable because
it seems to me that sometimes with a
breakdown of all difference that it
might mean that in the end there begins
to be so much of everything that in the
end there's nothing and it almost got to
invite some sort of calling a New Yorker
[ __ ] to take over from virtual reality
which might be a kind of a cornucopia of
the purity and thirdly the cyborg as a
hybrid figure escaping the oppression of
history escaping the oppressions of
difference or gender or race or class
offers us this prospect into which by
now are very desperate view tokenism
kind of rushes to claim and I just
wanted to find the founder kind of
warnings about the desperation of that
utopianism
and what is it that we're claiming so I
want to just simply to lay those and
paradoxes down but I know that people
here will have a multitude of questions
and to be a little bit unfair and the
people upstairs I'm sure of things join
in so I'll take a couple here and to
start with and then we'll take we'll go
straight into the people upstairs if
they could have their questions ready
by what's being most come on I was being
discussed this afternoon could kind of
merge into a kind of machine sort of
meld and lose its humanitarianism it
just becomes a machines that are focused
and it loses its elegance in its in its
beauteous I'm sorry
surely it would be rather pleasant to
live in a world where many where you
could be men and women and can enjoy
being minimum of their own sakes to
their own end and what you're proposing
is that women can actually sort of hide
away in cyberspace and become androgens
that don't actually sort of function in
a human way but just become rather
shallow and very very I must say very
sad thank you sir
alright it's like that's true then is it
desirable the reaction from the platform
would indicate that yes it is desirable
tell us why so well I think it defies
very fast but I mean my point really is
to say that you know women have
precisely always been in that machine
functional role for the male members of
species quite literally the members of
species and their women have really been
the servant for that for that species
and to say that women will be somehow
losing their humanitarianism I mean it's
that is precisely the extent which woman
has really on the one hand being I mean
living out that machine it's sort of
function but on the other hand and
expected to be proper humans as well but
of course caught in this double violent
you can never be fully human and you
can't quite be as good as the real
humans that is in a euro Manistee life
you know that this life is a portal that
we're about to or it certainly you know
I'm going to compare where did you hear
any of that good know can we can just
give other people a chance okay could I
says nothing about that for a minute um
Joey's got to get my two cents and you
know it's like when I first heard about
the feminization of cyberspace I thought
what do you think we're going to do is
like this immigrant community you know
this place needs a few plants
and then you know let's see like when I
get up in the morning I own things well
here I am it's morning and Here I am at
Cadogan woman I'm gettin up
you know it's depending on how hungover
I am you know it's like when I'm in here
you know it's like I'm just kind of
going around doing all the stuff that
you want to do you know or my version of
the stuff that you want to do you know
it's like I don't feel that different
from you you know and I see I don't
since I don't I can't see how beautiful
I am from the outside you know most of
the time I don't think about unless I
happen to pass reflective surface and
realize I'm having a bad hair day but
but do you see what I mean it's like it
doesn't feel that way and here we feel
in here just like you do fine I've got
to come in now because I'm leaping since
I have a chance to speak tomorrow but to
come in on this debate that's happening
at the moment I would want to innocently
sort of join up with Tanner in asking
that question as to what it's so
desirable or output even differently
what is actually radical different to
you know the quite oppressive way that
things are have been about this certain
some apparently liberating idea of you
know femininity being linked with the
robot or machines and so on I'd like to
just throw out to consider I think very
often that a fringe aspect of our
culture which seemed to be somehow
radical or different are very close to
the central bit that aren't on the
fringe and I would say that some of the
ideas that Sadie was putting forward as
liberating subtract me is actually very
similar but in a different guide to
things that are quite oppressive do we
live in a culture where most women than
most of their time trying to remove
themselves in some way all the moves
bits or parts of their bodies or make
their bodies be smaller than they really
are or somehow not to sort of fully
inhabit the space that they actually
physically in reality occupy
we live but you know in a world where
there I think is very little actual
material recognition touches on
something that Benjamin what he said at
the very beginning I do
the material world the material
recognition of if you like femininity or
I would just pay women and what women do
when work with brought up as being away
of being like a robot rocket also
physical it's essential physical
activity it may be tiring or it may be
exhilarating I don't see how these
things in any way in in actuality
transcended by this kind of metaphorical
apparently liberating idea of the
machine and I found it incredibly
similar to the things which I which are
present in the mainstream culture but
it's apparently meant to be liberation
from right well I've asked yeah I'd love
a lot of time points to come out to do
this is Winston's point which was about
this question of bands or the thing that
I really took firefighting without
engaging your questions is with you kept
saying this idea of us being like
machines or this metaphor of the Machine
or this metaphor that was ending
happening at all this is precisely my
point you know it's not a matter of a
thing else would choose whether or not
we are machine ik or complex between
that system you know if we are we are
and it's my question about that choosing
or again whether it's desirable or
whether we want this to happen etc and
if it if it's the emergent process it's
an emergent process and the complicates
that is that there's a notion of having
samples of unified soul and some unified
identity in this great quest for
autonomy which is really softened Massa
is precisely and has historically
precisely been so that man traditionally
can in fact make those decisions can say
is this desirable do I want this you
know what what identity has wanted has
been sole criteria the point now that's
happening is that all of you know all
matter that has been released previous
excluded from that notion of identity is
itself effectively having a safe is
excels turning on self-organizing
systems don't actually ask the man for
permission they don't say is it
desirable
you know thought for this to happen that
that is precise at the point that easily
is a conversation of this whole notion
of identity that suddenly isn't that's
why identity to define and choose
everything that happens on the planet
the point about the soul that was made
and I finally really about shamanism and
I like to see all of these things
exactly conversion processes but I do
disagree with you about that therefore
that means that the soul becomes
important I think the whole point about
it's a matter again is that it is very
much a materialist way of of not only
thinking and so again there were some
sort of thinking sold them or actually
acting and engineering effect that you
don't again really just go you know
metaphorically to some spiritual moment
you do go back materially because well I
think it's I'm reminded of the the
Faustian pact you know and a mess with
Berkeley taking Faust up to this high
place and saying I'll give you all of
this I think we have to be cautious
about being too much the technological
determination is I mean as the
technology in and of itself isn't going
to make anything happen I mean it I
think we have to remember that we
invented the technology and it's through
things like language and through
envisioning the future you know not in a
utopian sort of way but I mean that is
how things happen even though there are
lots of materialistic constraints can I
just say one thing that I could resist I
mean I took the point but by the same
token if you look at feminism's Bay and
the change that happens that happened
over miss would be very very recently
after two and a half thousand years
suddenly in the light for essentially
you do begin to get some sort of change
and we all know really that that is not
because man the one with the power
suddenly turned around to decides to be
both benign and to make that choice you
say is it desirable that women are
oppressed you know okay let's this thing
about it that's not how that person
happened live in fact it is you know
very much band equipment integral to the
emergence again of a whole gambit of
non-human compulsion happening machines
commodities trade routes they all start
together activity and size of the women
it's very much against you know what man
would desire you know I do think the
technology's a real planner
I don't well when I think about you know
the the soul you know and juxtaposed
with sort of the cold hard machinery
you know I think about you know that how
much that no matter how hardheaded ly
realistic we are the soul demands to be
appeased you know the soul demands its
satisfaction and the the one thing that
epitomizes this strange dualism and
human magic to me is is from a movie
called the right stuff in which Chuck
Yeager's is shown you know and he's a
test pilot he's getting into this cold
hard jet nice you know and the success
or failure but they hope not failure but
the success of this depends on the
engineering and the integrity of the of
the airplane and everything but every
time he gets into the plane is a little
ritual that he does where he has to
borrow some gum from his assistant 'no
sistent says okay and they say the same
thing to each other and this is a ritual
that he needs to perform not because
this will absolutely guarantee that the
plane won't crash it's because his soul
demands that satisfaction it demands
well at least that little while you know
an acknowledgement that there could be
supernatural and if there is this is a
little ritual that I performed too you
know and and yet this is a person who
must be you know very hard had very
realistic very you know in the world in
this moment whatever moment he happens
to be in you know and when you think of
us like sometimes I think like the more
technological we'll get the more we will
strain away from it
some part you know and reach for
something that is the antithesis of
technology you know that is you know
that and and that to me is what you know
you and yang has always been you know
it's like so the white that contains a
little seat of the dark and the dark
that contains a little seat of the light
you know it's like that's us you know
it's like we're a hard-headed realists
on this side and we are you know
worshipers of all gods and whatever on
the other side so we'll be spiritual
Rosa
to do it
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