Police Brutality Exacts Widespread Trauma on People of Color ROKU

Summary

El video aborda el impacto de la brutalidad policial y la violencia en EE. UU., con un enfoque en las recientes muertes en Minneapolis, Baton Rouge y Dallas. Los invitados, Eddie Conway y el Dr. Lawrence Brown, discuten cómo el trauma racial y la ansiedad afectan tanto a las víctimas de la brutalidad policial como a la comunidad afroamericana en general. Exploran cómo los problemas sistémicos, la segregación y la explotación contribuyen a estos ciclos de violencia y la necesidad de políticas que aborden el trauma y reconstruyan las comunidades afroamericanas, a la vez que critican el papel de las élites en mantener el sistema actual.

Takeaways

• 📢 Los recientes tiroteos en Minneapolis, Baton Rouge y Dallas han reavivado el debate sobre la raza en Estados Unidos.
• 😔 El impacto del trauma por la brutalidad policial afecta tanto a las víctimas directas como a aquellos que responden a estos actos, generando ansiedad y dolor colectivo.
• 💔 La frecuencia de la brutalidad policial y la violencia impacta a la comunidad, generando un ambiente similar a una zona de guerra en ciudades como Baltimore.
• 👮‍♂️ Los policías son vistos como la cara visible de un sistema que explota a las comunidades de color, mientras que los verdaderos responsables de las injusticias, los poderosos, quedan fuera del foco.
• 🛑 La sociedad otorga a la policía un rol de 'martillo' para mantener el orden, pero no se les castiga cuando ejercen violencia, lo que refuerza su poder impune.
• ⚡ La repetición de videos de violencia racial en redes sociales y medios intensifica el trauma colectivo y afecta a las comunidades afroamericanas de manera profunda.
• 🏙️ La brutalidad policial y la violencia en Baltimore son síntomas de un problema sistémico que va más allá de los agentes individuales; las raíces están en la segregación y la desigualdad histórica.
• 💡 Las organizaciones masivas como los sindicatos y movimientos civiles han sido debilitados desde los años 60, lo que dificulta una respuesta organizada al sistema opresor.
• 🏚️ La destrucción de comunidades afroamericanas a través de políticas como la renovación urbana y la segregación ha aumentado el trauma y la desesperación en las ciudades.
• 🔨 La policía actúa como una fuerza ocupante en comunidades afroamericanas segregadas, exacerbando la tensión y la violencia en lugar de abordar las causas sistémicas del problema.

Q & A

¿Cuál es el tema central del video?

El tema central del video es la violencia policial en Estados Unidos, el impacto del trauma racial y la respuesta de la comunidad ante las injusticias raciales.

¿Qué impacto menciona Lawrence Brown que tienen las imágenes de violencia policial en la comunidad afroamericana?

Lawrence Brown menciona que las imágenes de violencia policial causan un trauma racial significativo, ya que las personas se ven reflejadas en las víctimas de la brutalidad, lo que genera ansiedad y dolor en la comunidad.

¿Cuál es la opinión de Eddie Conway sobre la frecuencia de los incidentes de violencia policial?

Eddie Conway expresa preocupación por la frecuencia de la violencia policial, afirmando que ocurre cada 23 horas aproximadamente y que está traumatizando a las personas, similar a vivir en una zona de guerra.

¿Qué relación se hace entre la violencia policial y el racismo sistémico?

Se establece que la violencia policial es una manifestación visible de un problema sistémico más amplio de explotación racial, donde las fuerzas policiales actúan como protectores de los intereses de las élites, en lugar de servir a las comunidades.

¿Cómo afecta el trauma histórico a la comunidad afroamericana según el video?

El trauma histórico, que incluye la esclavitud, las leyes de Jim Crow y la migración forzada debido a linchamientos, sigue afectando a las generaciones actuales, perpetuando el dolor y la ansiedad en la comunidad afroamericana.

¿Qué crítica hace Paul Jay sobre el papel de las élites en la perpetuación de la violencia policial?

Paul Jay critica que las élites permiten que la policía actúe de manera violenta porque han establecido a las fuerzas policiales como 'el martillo' que protege sus intereses. Si la policía no cumpliera con este papel, las élites podrían enfrentarse a una mayor inseguridad.

¿Por qué se dice que la respuesta a la brutalidad policial muchas veces desvía la atención de los problemas sistémicos más amplios?

La respuesta a la brutalidad policial suele centrarse en la violencia inmediata, desviando la atención del racismo sistémico y las políticas que generan segregación y pobreza en las comunidades negras.

¿Qué soluciones propone Lawrence Brown para abordar el trauma en las comunidades afroamericanas?

Lawrence Brown propone una respuesta al trauma en las calles mediante la movilización de trabajadores sociales, profesionales de la salud mental y especialistas en salud pública para aliviar el dolor que sufre la comunidad.

¿Cómo se ha utilizado la manipulación por parte de las fuerzas del orden para controlar las protestas, según Eddie Conway?

Eddie Conway señala que las fuerzas del orden han utilizado la manipulación, como la diseminación de información falsa y el uso de provocadores, para incitar la violencia y justificar una respuesta represiva contra las protestas.

¿Qué mensaje final ofrecen los participantes sobre la organización comunitaria?

Los participantes enfatizan la importancia de la organización comunitaria para enfrentar las políticas de segregación y violencia, sugiriendo que las comunidades negras deben unirse y reconstruir estructuras sociales para combatir el racismo sistémico.

Outlines

00:00

🔫 La violencia racial y las repercusiones en Estados Unidos

El presentador Paul Jay discute la reciente serie de tiroteos en Minneapolis, Baton Rouge y Dallas, destacando cómo los medios están centrando nuevamente la atención en el tema racial en América. Entrevista a Eddie Conway, ex Pantera Negra y preso político, y al Dr. Lawrence Brown, profesor de salud pública, quienes reflexionan sobre la brutalidad policial, el trauma comunitario y cómo la violencia es una respuesta a estos problemas no resueltos.

05:00

💔 El impacto psicológico del trauma racial

Dr. Lawrence Brown profundiza en el concepto de 'fatiga de batalla racial' y cómo las imágenes constantes de brutalidad policial traumatizan a la comunidad negra. Habla de su experiencia personal de ansiedad y cómo estos traumas influyen en las protestas y en las respuestas violentas o pacíficas. La discusión se centra en cómo las fuerzas policiales funcionan como una extensión de la élite, ejecutando un papel de 'martillo' impuesto por la sociedad.

10:03

👁️ Trauma histórico e intergeneracional en las comunidades negras

Se aborda cómo el trauma en las comunidades negras es intergeneracional, remontándose a la esclavitud, las leyes de Jim Crow y las migraciones provocadas por la violencia racial en el sur de EE. UU. Dr. Brown habla sobre cómo la brutalidad policial y la interrupción del duelo colectivo intensifican este trauma no resuelto, criticando la respuesta militarizada a los momentos de duelo en comunidades afroamericanas en Baltimore.

15:07

🛠️ La manipulación y represión de los movimientos sociales

Eddie Conway menciona la represión histórica de los movimientos de derechos civiles y sindicales, donde el gobierno utilizó provocadores e infiltrados para desmantelar estos esfuerzos. Discute cómo las personas son intimidadas para no organizarse, y cómo los sindicatos y otras organizaciones deben reavivarse para hacer frente a los problemas estructurales. Se resalta la violencia invisible que las políticas racistas generan, resultando en violencia directa.

🏙️ Políticas de segregación y el renacimiento de las comunidades

Lawrence Brown y Eddie Conway discuten la historia de la segregación en Baltimore y cómo las políticas urbanas han desintegrado las comunidades negras. Sugieren que, para abordar estos problemas, es necesario construir comunidades fuertes y saludables que puedan enfrentar los desafíos sociales, económicos y políticos. Además, se enfatiza la importancia de la participación política para cambiar estas dinámicas y resolver el trauma colectivo.

Keywords

💡Brutalidad policial

La brutalidad policial se refiere al uso excesivo de la fuerza por parte de la policía, generalmente contra ciudadanos, particularmente personas de color. En el video, se menciona repetidamente como un tema central, ya que los asesinatos de individuos por la policía han generado protestas y tensión en ciudades como Minneapolis y Baltimore. Se destaca la profunda angustia y trauma que esto genera en las comunidades afectadas.

💡Trauma racial

El trauma racial es el impacto psicológico y emocional que sufren las personas debido al racismo y la discriminación. En el video, se menciona cómo el trauma afecta tanto a las víctimas de brutalidad policial como a las personas que ven los incidentes a través de los medios, experimentando síntomas como la ansiedad y el estrés. Este trauma es visto como un efecto persistente que afecta generaciones de comunidades afroamericanas.

💡Elites

El término 'elites' hace referencia a las clases dominantes que tienen poder económico y político, y que, según el video, controlan las políticas que permiten la explotación y opresión de las personas de color. Se sugiere que las fuerzas policiales actúan como un 'martillo' bajo las órdenes de estas elites, protegiendo sus intereses en lugar de los de las comunidades marginadas.

💡Segregación

La segregación se refiere a la separación racial en los vecindarios y el acceso desigual a recursos como la vivienda y la educación. En el video, Lawrence Brown menciona cómo la segregación histórica en ciudades como Baltimore ha contribuido a la creación de comunidades negras empobrecidas que son desproporcionadamente afectadas por la brutalidad policial y la falta de inversión.

💡Fatiga de la batalla racial

Este término describe el agotamiento emocional y físico que experimentan las personas de color debido a la exposición constante al racismo y la violencia racial. En el video, se habla de cómo este estado psicológico afecta a las comunidades afroamericanas, manifestándose en síntomas de ansiedad y estrés que son exacerbados por eventos como los asesinatos policiales.

💡Freddie Gray

Freddie Gray fue un joven afroamericano cuya muerte bajo custodia policial en 2015 provocó protestas masivas en Baltimore. En el video, su caso es utilizado como ejemplo de brutalidad policial y de cómo las autoridades y la policía intentan evadir responsabilidades, lo que a su vez genera más desconfianza y frustración en la comunidad.

💡Desplazamiento forzado

El desplazamiento forzado se refiere a la expulsión de comunidades de sus hogares debido a proyectos de renovación urbana, construcción de autopistas o la falta de inversión en viviendas públicas. En el video, se menciona cómo estas políticas han afectado negativamente a las comunidades negras, contribuyendo a su marginación económica y social.

💡Política de apartheid

Se utiliza para describir las políticas deliberadas de segregación racial, como las que históricamente existieron en Baltimore. Estas políticas separaban a las personas de color de los recursos y oportunidades, y contribuyen a la violencia sistémica y la opresión que siguen sufriendo estas comunidades.

💡Respuesta violenta

Este término se refiere a las acciones de individuos o grupos que, frustrados por la brutalidad policial y la injusticia sistémica, recurren a la violencia. El video discute cómo algunas personas responden pacíficamente a la brutalidad policial, mientras que otras, debido al trauma y la desesperación, pueden recurrir a actos de violencia, como lo que sucedió en Dallas.

💡Organización comunitaria

La organización comunitaria es la acción colectiva de los miembros de una comunidad para abordar problemas sociales y políticos. En el video, se menciona la necesidad de que las personas se organicen para luchar contra las políticas opresivas y buscar soluciones que beneficien a la mayoría, como en los movimientos de derechos civiles o sindicales que han sido debilitados desde los años 60.

Highlights

The conversation opens with the host mentioning the recent shootings in Minneapolis, Baton Rouge, and Dallas, highlighting the renewed national focus on race in America.

Dr. Lawrence Brown points out the deep-seated impact of trauma on individuals affected by police brutality and the broader response, both peaceful and violent, to such incidents.

Eddie Conway emphasizes that ongoing incidents of police violence are traumatizing people across the country, with many feeling as if they are living in a combat zone, especially in cities like Baltimore.

Brown discusses the phenomenon of racial battle fatigue, a psychological condition not yet fully recognized in medical literature but prevalent among people repeatedly exposed to racial violence and police brutality.

Conway critiques the focus on individual racist cops, instead pointing to a larger systemic problem where the police act as agents of a society built on exploitation and inequality.

Brown talks about how repeated media exposure to police brutality incidents through platforms like Twitter and CNN causes vicarious trauma for viewers, especially those who identify with the victims.

Conway links police violence to systemic inequality, noting that the elites in cities like Baltimore benefit from the police acting as enforcers, while the victims of police brutality are often the same people who pay taxes supporting the system.

The discussion shifts to the economic aspects of inequality, with Conway pointing out how the wealthy are protected by the police while simultaneously benefiting from tax loopholes, further burdening the working class.

Brown shares a personal account of the anxiety and trauma he felt during the Baltimore riots following Freddie Gray's death, illustrating the psychological toll that police violence takes on affected communities.

Both guests emphasize that societal focus tends to remain on police actions while failing to address the deeper systemic causes of violence, such as economic inequality and structural racism.

The discussion introduces historical trauma, noting that the intergenerational effects of slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation continue to manifest in modern-day Black communities.

Brown criticizes the lack of effective trauma response from city authorities, suggesting that social workers and mental health professionals need to engage more directly with affected communities.

The guests discuss the challenges of community organizing, linking current police violence to past government programs like COINTELPRO that undermined civil rights movements and weakened public trust in organizing.

Conway and Brown call for renewed efforts to rebuild communities and address segregation in cities like Baltimore, emphasizing that systemic issues like apartheid-style policies contribute to social pathologies.

The discussion ends with the hosts mentioning upcoming investigative journalism and community engagement efforts to explore solutions to systemic issues affecting Baltimore and Maryland.

Transcripts

Welcome to the Real News Network I'm

Paul Jay in Baltimore with the recent

shootings in Min Minneapolis and then

Baton Rouge and then in Dallas people

are once again nationally the media and

such focused that there actually is such

a thing as race in America we have

certain moments where this gets talked

about and we're in another one now

joining us to talk about the

significance of these issues are first

of all in our studio Eddie Conway he's a

former Black Panther and a former

political prisoner of 44 years now he's

an executive producer at the real news

and host of the show rattling the bars

also joining us is Dr Lawrence Brown

Lawrence is an activist Global Health

consultant and assistant professor of

Public Health at Morgan State University

and he'll he will soon be hosting a show

at the real news as well thank you both

for joining us pleasure for having us so

Lawrence first of all the shootings in

Dallas

just after the shootings I mentioned um

how do you react well I mean it's um

very difficult time I think we're in

here in America where violence um both

indirect violence and direct violence

are really manifesting and coming to

aead um we're seeing that with police

brutality we're seeing that in the

response to police brutality um I think

what we're not really discussing is the

the impact of trauma uh the impact that

this has both on the people that are

losing uh victims to police brutality

and then uh even people who are trying

to respond to that and obviously we had

someone respond to that in a very

violent way in Dallas last night um so I

think you know there's by not having

that discussion by not understanding

that this impact of police brutality

really has uh it exacts real pain it

exacts real anxiety

and many people will respond peacefully

but others not so peacefully and I think

that's what we have to get to the root

of in America is the pain that's there

so that it can be addressed in a in a

more productive way and we can forall

some of the violence that's taking place

Ed is same same question yes I I I think

and and certainly the trauma is one of

the overriding concerns right now

because I I was up last night from 1 to

2:00 in the morning talking to people

that just needed to talk that wasn't

connected to the families that have just

basically seen stuff on the videos

they've talked to their co-workers and

whatnot we had one of our young black

staff staff members was crying all day

yesterday the day before I mean people

just have hurt people because it

continues to occur once every 23 hours

or so and people are starting to become

aware of it they're traumatized it's

like being in a combat zone especially S

I just say you add to that especially in

a place like Baltimore all the murders

that are taking place which are all

symptoms of the same thing yes and then

when you look to the people that should

be protecting you and then they in turn

turns around and takes a loved one's

life or just somebody that's identified

as a different color that's a concern

and uh so the only way uh I think it can

be addressed is that you got to look

beyond the incidents theirself and look

at the systemic problem of what's

putting this kind of behavior in place

um Lawrence uh I've been saying thinking

there's almost too much emphasis just on

the role of the racist individual cops

um even even on elements of the culture

of the police that are coming out during

the Freddy Greg trials and it's kind of

funny because the the main one of the

main defenses of the cops who are on

trial for the murder of Freddy gray is

they're blaming the culture of the

police department they didn't have

proper instructions they weren't told

they had to have seat belts on the and

so on but but the B but the bigger issue

is is that the police become are are the

easy face of a system based on super

exploitation of people of color and and

and and when I talk to people in town

there's far more anger and Venom

directed at the police and for obvious

reasons but there's very little

discussion about the people that have

real power in Baltimore that have the

real money in Baltimore and then extend

that nationally to the elites I I talked

we used to have somebody work here whose

father was a cop and and he said to me I

was having this discussion with him and

he said to me look at you decide meaning

you society decide what do you want from

us you want us to hand out flowers or

you want us to be the hammer and it's

pretty clear you've told us to be the

hammer well you know I would to say it's

not quite accurate to uh say that Elites

and the broader systemic issues are

being ignored personally I'm more of an

housing activist who is looking at how

neighborhoods and segregation plays a

role it's when these incidents of police

brutality happens that it's so gripping

the trauma is so real race-based trauma

racial battle fatigue these uh psycholog

iCal symptoms that aren't yet really uh

identified in the DSM manual for

instance but have a real impact

vicarious trauma is essentially what

they are uh looking at the videos that

are on the uh Twitter feed or or on

Facebook or on the smartphones on CNN

being played over and over and over so

that trauma that traumatizes people

because we see ourselves in those videos

and so what happens is it's there is a

fight against the broader systemic issu

but we actually get pulled away by the

immediacy of police brutality and by the

the gripping pain that sort of uh just

snatches you it snatches I mean the

anxiety I personally feel in know my

heart uh the clenching that I felt on

April 27th last year when Baltimore

Police and the youth Begin The Clash and

they deployed rubber bullets and tear

gas and my heart clenched and uh I've

been having symptoms along those line

ever since

and so what do you do when you have

anxiety when you have trauma you know

people respond in different ways and I

think that's what we're seeing with a

lot of the protests it's an outcry it's

people saying this hurts this hurts us

in a very real and visceral way and

they're trying to make sure that in

America people can live uh and not be

judge jury and executioner when they're

interacting with the police and and one

of the reasons that happens is because

police get know they can get away with

this 99.9% of the time and I think

that's that's part of what I was getting

at is that is that the police

departments are given this space because

if quote Society meaning the elites who

have the power in society are saying be

the hammer you can't punish people for

being the hammer or they won't be the

hammer for you and and you know the the

the cops sent a bit of a message in

Baltimore after the cops were charging

Freddy Gray I mean most mostly

acknowledge that they step back a little

bit just to send a a message it seems to

me the message they're really sending is

is is that if you start charging us for

being the hammer then if this violence

starts to spill off into Roland Park for

example which is a wealthy neighborhood

of Baltimore or Federal Hill or one of

these other areas well maybe we'll eat

duts then too so the message is you

better not punish us for doing what

you're asking us to do and and the other

side of that is is they are the point of

Despair they are actually not just doing

the the job of protecting the elite and

the property owners but they also

they're that Shield you know and that

Shield is to distract uh public and the

populations from looking Beyond them so

what happens is that because they at a

point of Despair the focuses on them and

like like uh Dr Brown was saying uh the

trauma is immediate for down on the

ground the media reports it that way and

draws that Focus right there at the

point of Despair and it keep the

dialogue and the discussion around that

and no one looks beyond to the elite to

the people that's actually being

protected and and what's surprising and

this dawned on me is that the people

down on the ground that's that's being

uh uh murdered in some cases beat or or

or or abuse they're the ones that's

paying the taxes and the people that's

being protected have all kinds of

loopholes to get out of paying taxes and

they're not even paying the people

that's protecting and serving their

interest and but yet we are paying down

on the ground and and the media is

making sure that the discussion and the

focus stay

there the uh the trauma that comes from

seeing this videotape and and the

abuse and the trauma of living in

situations there's there's got to be

barely a family in Black Baltimore that

doesn't have a family member or at least

a cousin or a friend that doesn't either

directly know someone or had a direct

member of their family murdered in the

last four or five years I if we're

talking you know 300 some odd murders

every year you know we're into thousands

over the last four or five years the

it's it's uh the talk a bit about the

trauma of of this entire landscape

people are living in well you know uh

trauma runs deep you know you can start

with historical trauma uh the trauma of

the slave trade of enslavement of Jim

Crow uh many people that live in

Baltimore now were migrants refugees if

you will from the great migrations

leaving the lynchings uh of the South

and the destruction of almost 100

independent black District districts

like Tulsa or Rosewood and so that

trauma we carry it with us and then we

arrive here in a city like Baltimore and

uh police brutality is still there and

so what happens is the trauma is really

intergenerational and it's never really

resolved the grief is unresolved and so

you have a situation like we've had in

Baltimore on April 27th the day that

Freddy gray is laid to rest the police

release the gang memo they release Purge

Meme and they use that the pretext to

move on the community with the riot

mobilization on the day that people are

grieving just for people that don't know

the the gang the reason he he did like

this around the gang memo is because

there was a supposed agreement between

the gangs to go out and shoot cops

during those Freddy gray event days and

there was there's absolutely zero

evidence there was in fact I think

there's now evidence there was no such

memo and and The Purge thing which was

supposed to be a social media thing to

get kids to go and to mandin Mall um

it's still completely unclear who

actually released that Purge thing and

one would think these days one could go

down to your neighborhood Fusion NSA

Center and find out and they don't seem

to have wanted to do that right and um

you know so just last week on June 27th

we had U A Murder of a local rapper here

named lur scoa his rap name was lur scoa

and the police again as black youth were

celebrating his life mobilized and riot

gear here in

Baltimore uh having on riot gear driving

out military vehicles having rifles that

they pointed at dirt bikers who rode by

and so even in the middle of grief in

the midst of grief itself grief is

interrupted in Black communities um and

I and so that's where the trauma is

never really addressed I've sent um

plans to our Baltimore City Health

Department to we have I've written a

verdict preparedness plan with my

students

and we said that there needed to be a

real trauma response on the streets not

just violence prevention that safe

Street does but actually taking out

social workers mental health

professionals Public Health folk and

going out on the street and helping

alleviate trauma because the trauma is

still there now our commissioner Dr W

has done trauma training for city

employees but there hasn't been that

engagement on the street and so the

trauma is still there it's unresolved uh

people are hurting people are in pain um

and we know from our literature you know

this the trauma the grief the stress the

anxiety all of that wears on the body

system it wears on the mind and it

literally results in deaths whether by

Suicide homicide or people just not

living up to the higher quality of life

I I interviewed Gerald horn the

historian just a few minutes ago and I

thought he made a very interesting point

towards the end of the of the interview

you know since the 1960s you've had the

destruction of Mass organizations in the

Civil Rights Movement You' had the have

the weakening and almost destruction of

much of the Trade union movement um in

terms of a way to and the movement's

been kind of in a low in terms of the

people's movement there's very few ways

to express the anger in a constructive

way in a in a way that might change

society and it kind of creates the the

fertile soil for these kind of

individual acts of Retribution if you

will because you you don't people it's

hard to see how you do it in in a in a

more movement organized way which I

guess suggests what people should do is

get organized well yes that's true but

also I think during that same period of

time you had that the government program

coin Del Pro the county intelligence

program they use a lot of agent

provocators they use sabator they use

informers I think U when you look at

what happened in Seattle Washington at

the World Trade thing if you look up in

uh Canada if you look at other things

you'll see that a lot of the reaction

that occurs down on the ground has been

manipulated in some cases by law

enforcement agencies and and like Dr

Brown was just saying that was true

around the Momin situation on April 27

and so not only have they taken away the

ability of people to work through Mass

organizations to address their problems

but they have

manipulated individual activity ities

that lead to disruptions that they can

then contain and control uh and uh this

this has been noted in case after case

after case and uh and I I I there's no

question people need to get organized

and but part of that the results of coel

pro is that it's had intimidated people

about organizing and people need to get

beyond that because they don't know how

to actually networked in a larger scale

you know so unions have to come back on

board people have to get back into these

organizations and start working again um

there's a lot of good public

policy that people have thought out

about what to do from housing to even

the issue of of trauma and other things

you can't get that stuff funded you

can't get it P um so something has to

change at the political level what

should people do well first of all you

realize that this is what happens that

invisible violence the violence through

policies and practices leads to direct

violence that we see and so the

accumulation of historical trauma

manifests itself in either inward

self-destruction or outward uh violence

so I think once you realize that

apartheid policies breed social

pathologies then you say well we do need

to pass policies and practices let me

just say when you say apartheid policies

we've talked a lot not everybody knows

you're talking about when Baltimore a

history of very deliberate segregation

in the city right um and to connect it

with what you were saying with Eddie

that the you know in the 60s we had

viable communities even though there

were segregation uh you didn't have

Force displacement on the scale that

we've seen since then urban renewal

highways moving built through the middle

of black communities uh the public

housing that was that's been torn down

actually since then and the public

housing that's been disinvested in all

that time so a lot of these policies

have led to the systemic sort of

disintegration of a community system

that will also underg the movement

building and would also help mitigate

the impact of trauma so when you when

communities are torn down and people are

left to sort of fin for themselves then

you see more violent activity so I think

what we need to do then is to figure out

how we can build up communities how we

can make black neighborhoods matter uh

until we desegregate here in America uh

because what we have is what you said

and what James bwin said police are an

occupying force in Black

communities but the reason why there is

black community because we still have

segregation in this in this Society so

we've got to find a way to nourish and

nurture the communities themselves so

that people can be built up and have the

sort of economic social political

wherewithal to address the issues that

they have and become healthy and whole

okay well this is just the beginning of

a conversation as I said Eddie hosts a

show on the Real News Lawrence hosts a

show on the real news and we're going to

start you'll see in the fall uh building

our Baltimore Bureau to take this

conversation including Town Halls more

investigative journalism uh with the

real fundamental Mission trying to

answer the question that if you ran

Maryland and Baltimore in the interest

of the majority of its people what would

you do and start actually trying to find

solution as a community process um so I

I hope you'll join us for that and let

me also say we're in our summer

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the beginning thanks very much for

joining us thank you okay and thank you

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