T-90M is getting a MAJOR Improvement!!
Summary
TLDRThe Russian Ministry of Defense has reportedly signed a contract for T-90M tanks equipped with the Arena M active protection system (APS). The video discusses the capabilities and limitations of the Arena M APS, which can intercept various threats at speeds up to 1,000 m/s from 50 meters away. It also addresses misconceptions about the system's ability to counter top-attack threats like Spike or Javelin missiles, noting the lack of evidence for such claims. The script highlights the need for proper anti-drone measures, as the APS does not protect against the growing threat of FPV drones, and questions the practicality of installing cages on tanks with the system.
Takeaways
- 📜 The Russian Ministry of Defense announced a contract for additional T-80 and T-90M tanks equipped with the Arena M hard kill active protection system.
- 🌐 Ground News is presented as a sponsor, offering a platform to compare news coverage from various sources around the world, highlighting political bias and ownership.
- 🎯 The Arena M system is a hard kill active protection system that has been in development since the 1990s and is now being considered for actual installation on Russian tanks.
- 🔍 There is confusion about the presence of active protection systems on T-90 tanks due to the existence of a soft kill system called Shtora, which does not actively engage threats.
- 📝 A patent for the T-90M tank with Arena M was released last year, indicating that the system will retain side-mounted explosive reactive armor without compromising the tank's protection.
- 🚀 The Arena M system is designed to intercept threats such as rockets, missiles, and heat shells traveling at speeds up to 1,000 m/s from a distance of 50 meters away.
- 🤔 There is uncertainty about the system's ability to intercept top attack threats like Spike or Javelin, with only promotional footage and claims from the manufacturer as evidence.
- 🛡️ The installation of the Arena M system on T-90M tanks may reduce storage space due to the replacement of storage boxes with the APS system components.
- 🕊️ The system's interceptors explode in two directions, suggesting the potential for 360° threat interception, but doubts remain about the radar's ability to detect top threats.
- 🤖 The biggest concern is the system's inability to protect against the most significant threat: FPV drones, indicating a need for additional anti-drone measures.
- 📅 The adoption timeline for the Arena M system aligns with the initial announcement from 2020, with plans to start installations by 2025, showing surprising punctuality from Russia.
Q & A
What was announced on the 13th of August at the Army Forum exhibition by the Russian Ministry of Defense?
-The Russian Ministry of Defense announced that they have signed a contract for the delivery of additional T-80 chassis-based Tossan-A systems and T-90M tanks equipped with the Arena M hard-kill active protection system.
What is the purpose of Ground News, as mentioned in the script?
-Ground News is a website and app that gathers news articles from over 50,000 services worldwide, allowing users to compare how different outlets cover the same story. It provides a breakdown of political bias, ownership, and headlines, supported by ratings from three independent news monitoring organizations.
What is the difference between a soft kill and a hard kill active protection system for tanks?
-A soft kill system, like Shtora, helps the tank evade or mask itself from threats without physically engaging them, often using laser warning receivers. A hard kill system, such as Arena M, actively engages and destroys incoming threats like rockets, missiles, and shells.
Why might some people believe that T-90 tanks already have a hard kill active protection system?
-Some people might be confused because T-90 tanks do have an active protection system, but it is a soft kill system called Shtora. Additionally, Wikipedia incorrectly lists the Arena system as part of the tank, leading to the misconception.
What is the significance of the Arena M active protection system being installed on T-90M tanks?
-The installation of the Arena M system indicates that Russia is upgrading its tanks with a hard kill capability, which can intercept a wide range of threats, although its effectiveness against top attack threats like Spike or Javelin is still uncertain.
How does the Arena M system's installation affect the tank's storage capacity?
-The installation of the Arena M system requires the replacement of storage boxes, which may result in reduced storage space or the need to relocate these boxes, potentially affecting the tank's operational capabilities.
What is the reported speed and range at which the Arena E system can intercept threats?
-The Arena E system can reportedly intercept rockets, missiles, and heat shells traveling at speeds of up to 1,000 m/s from a distance of 50 meters away.
What are the limitations of the Arena M system in terms of intercepting top attack threats?
-The Arena M system's ability to intercept top attack threats like Spike or Javelin is uncertain due to a lack of reliable information and the system's radar configuration, which does not seem to be designed to detect threats from above.
Why is the Arena M system's effectiveness against drones considered a significant concern?
-The Arena M system does not address the threat posed by FPV drones, which could still compromise the tank's survivability. Without proper drone jamming equipment, the installation of the APS system may not be as effective.
What was the original timeline for the adoption of the Arena M system by the Russian military?
-The Russian military had initially announced that the Arena M system would be adopted by 2025, with installations beginning that year.
What is the impact of the Arena M system on the tank's silhouette and the possibility of adding cage armor?
-The installation of the Arena M system does not significantly change the tank's silhouette, but it does prevent the installation of cage armor on the top of the turret due to the system's interceptor launch mechanism, which could limit protection against RPGs.
Outlines
🛡️ Russian Military Contract for Advanced Tank Systems
The Russian Ministry of Defense announced a contract for additional Tossan-A systems and T-90M tanks equipped with the Arena M hard-kill active protection system. The video discusses the importance of unbiased news sources, with a sponsor, Ground News, providing a platform for comparing global media coverage. The Arena M system, which has been in development since the 1990s, is a notable advancement in tank defense technology. The video clarifies misconceptions about the system's deployment, explaining that previous reports of its use in Ukraine were inaccurate due to the lack of actual hard-kill systems on Russian tanks at the time. The Arena M system is designed to intercept threats such as rockets, missiles, and heat shells traveling at high speeds, but its effectiveness against top-attack threats like Spike or Javelin missiles remains uncertain. The video also addresses the system's impact on tank design, including the retention of side-mounted explosive reactive armor and the necessity to replace storage boxes with the APS system.
🚀 Arena M System's Capabilities and Limitations
This paragraph delves into the capabilities of the Arena M active protection system, which was first showcased in 2018 and has been designated T9 A6 D1 Arena M. The system's ability to intercept threats at speeds up to 1,000 m/s from a distance of 50 meters is highlighted, but questions remain about its effectiveness against top-attack threats. The promotional footage suggests the system can handle such threats, but there is a lack of concrete evidence to support this claim. The video also discusses the system's limitations, particularly its inability to counter the growing threat of FPV drones, which could render the APS system ineffective. The need for additional anti-drone measures is emphasized, as well as the challenges posed by the system's design, which precludes the installation of protective cages on the tanks. The video concludes with a note on the surprising timeliness of the Russian adoption of the Arena M system, which was initially planned for 2025 but is now being implemented ahead of schedule.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Active Protection System (APS)
💡T-80 and T-90M Tanks
💡Arena M
💡Soft Kill System
💡Hard Kill System
💡Exponential Reactive Armor (ERA)
💡Patent
💡Top Attack Threats
💡FPV Drones
💡Interceptors
💡Radar
Highlights
Russian Ministry of Defense announced a contract for additional Tossan systems and T90M tanks with Arena M hard kill active protection system.
Ground News is presented as a sponsor, offering a platform to compare news coverage from various sources for unbiased insights.
The Arena M system has been in development since the '90s, with promotional materials leading to misconceptions about its active service status.
T90 tanks are equipped with a soft kill system called Shtora, which differs from the hard kill capabilities of Arena M.
Wikipedia incorrectly lists Arena as part of T90M tank specifications, causing confusion about the actual installation of the system.
A patent from last year revealed plans for T90M tanks to be equipped with Arena M, indicating an upcoming implementation.
The installation of Arena M on T90M tanks retains side-mounted explosive reactive armor, maintaining tank protection.
Storage boxes on tanks may need to be relocated due to the installation of the Arena M system, affecting tank design.
Arena M's capability to intercept threats at speeds up to 1,000 m/s and from 50 m away is highlighted.
The system's effectiveness against top attack threats like Spike or Javelin missiles remains uncertain.
Promotional footage suggests Arena M can intercept top attack missiles, but lacks confirmatory evidence.
The system's radar capabilities and its ability to detect threats from above are questioned.
Claims of successful testing against Western weapons do not necessarily guarantee effectiveness against specific threats.
The Arena M system does not address the threat posed by FPV drones, indicating a potential vulnerability.
The absence of cage compatibility with Arena M systems suggests a need for alternative anti-drone measures.
Surprisingly, Russia is on schedule with the adoption of Arena M systems, aligning with their 2025 timeline.
Support for the content creator is available through Patreon, encouraging viewers to contribute if they enjoy the content.
Transcripts
on the 13th of August on the Army Forum
exhibition Russian Ministry of Defense
has announced that they have signed a
contract for delivery of additional
tossan a systems made on t80 chassis and
t90m tanks with Arena M hard kill active
protection system which is what we will
talk about in this video and when
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you'll check them out arena is a pretty
famous hard active protection system it
has been in development since the '90s
and there have been numerous promotional
videos and pictures of the system that
it has actually managed to fool some
people into believing the system was
actually in active service in fact there
were reports about the current conflict
in Ukraine seeing how the Russian active
protection systems are not working as
they should because they're not stopping
anti-tank rockets and missiles well they
can't stop them because they aren't
being used some people were probably
confused about that because T90 tanks do
have an active protection system it's
just that it is a soft kill system
called shora Soft kill systems don't
actively engage the threat but help the
tank and the crew evade or mask
themselves from the threat such as the
laser warning receivers on t90m and t9a
tanks when the tank is being lased by a
Laser Rangefinder or laser guiding
weapons another big reason as to why
people believe tanks like t9m already
had a hard kill active production system
is Wikipedia Wikipedia for some reason
lists the arena system as part of the
tank but as I already explained it isn't
it it wasn't until last year that the
patent for the t90m tank equipped with
Arena M active protection system came
out I didn't want to cover it back then
because well it's just a patent but now
it seems like Russians are actually
going to be installing these systems on
their tanks well at least d9m tanks for
now one interesting thing we can see on
the patent is that the tank will retain
the side mounted explosive reactive
armor so the installation of the system
does not compromise the protection of
the tank in case something does not get
intercepted by the system which is a
good thing and on top of that it doesn't
really change the silhouette of the tank
either but the problem is that they had
to replace storage boxes with the aps
system which means that either the
storage boxes either have to be moved
somewhere or that the tank will have
reduced space for things on it the side
Hall mounted storage boxes we saw not so
long ago might have been developed for
this purpose but I honestly don't think
this is the best place to mount the
storage boxes on because they can easily
snag on stuff and fall off if there were
any nearby explosions same how the
bagged Ra was falling off the tanks all
the time it would be good to that they
at least make some better design or at
least some guides in front of the boxes
to make it hard for them to snag on
stuff now how good is the actual Arena M
active protection system this system was
first showcased in 2018 under a
designation T9 A6 Arena e on a T2 B3
tank now the system has been designated
T9 A6 D1 Arena M I'm saying this because
we don't have actual data for the arena
M but we do have for the arena e the
change in the designation could indicate
some changes but but because the
numerical designation has just das1
added to it I would assume the change is
not really massive according to
available information Arena e can
intercept Rockets missiles and heat
shells that travel at speeds of up to
1,000 m/s and intercept them from 50 m
away this means that the system is able
to engage a lot of tank fired heat
shells except for subcaliber ones like
mad as well as pretty much any 80 rocket
or atgm but the 50 m range means that it
will not be able to intercept Rockets
fir it from very close range like in
urban scenarios which can happen and we
have seen that happen in multiple
conflicts not just in Ukraine but the
main question is can the system
intercept top attack threats like Spike
or Javelin well I honestly can't give
you a good answer for that the
promotional footage of the manufacturer
for the arena e system claims the system
intercepts missiles including the top
attack ones but that is the only
reliable source of information for that
claim and it is kind of old I couldn't
find any other reliable search that
would actually confirm that claim there
were some media articles that would
mention it or from some government
official but Russian government
officials have claimed weird things in
the past related to tanks that they
don't believe anything they say should
be taken for granted there are some
things about the system that could point
to it being able to intercept up pack
threats but there are also some things
that point to the opposite first thing
is that based on what we see on the
footage is that the arena M interceptors
explode in two directions downwards and
upwards or at least it seems that way
this could indicate the possibility that
they were made to intercept any threat
in the 360° hemisphere but the problem
to me are The Radars there isn't any
radar on the tank that points upwards
and they need to detect the threat at
least 50 m away from the tank I don't
think a Raider facing completely forward
can detect the threat coming 50 m from
the top of the tank there could be a
possibility that the Raider has the
ability to track Targets on the top but
I honestly don't know because Tru to be
told I'm not an expert in Raiders I'm
purely guessing here some people have
taken the claim that the system has
successfully been tested against
captured Western 0 weapons as proof that
it would work against something like
Javelin but those claims are super vague
and honestly don't mean much I could see
the system working against something
like enla CU enla is still coming to the
tank from the direction where a Raider
could easily pick it up so something
like enla shouldn't be a problem but
actual top attack like Spike or Javelin
I honestly have doubts about that I
would wait for any formal confirmation
before drawing any conclusion the
biggest problem with this system is that
it doesn't tackle the worst threat the
fpv drones if these tanks get deployed
it is very likely that they would meet
the same fate as many before them so
unless they include some proper drone
jamming equipment on the tanks equipped
with the hard kill systems they would
just be wasting money and resources on
installing the aps systems in my honest
opinion biggest problem is that the
system does not allow for any cages to
be installed on the tanks equipped with
it since the system launches the
interceptors upwards into the air so
there can't be anything blocking the top
of the turret and placing cages on the
side or the front would interfere with
The Radars therefore you can't really
protect the tank against Thrones in the
same cheap fashion as they are doing
right now they need some proper
anti-drone protection if they don't want
to be losing these tanks it is actually
surprising to me that Russians are
adopting the systems now because back in
2020 they announced that the arena M
system will be adopted by 2025 and that
in 2025 they should start installing it
on the tanks and they are actually on
time for that Russ being on time that is
really the most surprising thing about
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