What Is Going On With The Helldivers 2 Community...

Summary

The script discusses issues arising in the Hell Divers 2 community around high-level players who use farming methods to quickly gain experience yet lack fundamental gameplay knowledge and teamwork skills. It argues that communication and cooperation are most vital and warns against spreading toxicity or forcing meta builds, saying players should focus on enjoying themselves without ruining others' fun. The script urges protecting team play incentives and maintaining community solidarity to fully tap into the game's long-term potential through upcoming content.

Takeaways

• 😡 There are high level players who don't understand basic gameplay elements like shared resources or how to perform objectives
• 😮 Many players are farming the defend missions to level up quickly but aren't learning key skills
• 💡Resources like medals, samples and credits are shared across the whole team
• 😠Toxic behavior like unjustly kicking lower level players needs to stop
• 👍Using the meta is fine if you like it, not using the meta is also fine
• 🤝Team play and communication are the most important elements, more so than builds
• 😎Some players think they are invincible with meta builds and go off on their own
• 🥳The game is meant to be fun, play how you want but don't ruin it for others
• ⚠️We could wear each other down and end up with a fractured community if toxicity spreads
• 🙂With new content down the line, we can enjoy the game together if the community stays positive

Q & A

What mission are players farming to quickly level up?

Players are farming a defend mission on the automaton front that can be cheesed to complete in 2-3 minutes. It yields a lot of XP and requisition rewards.

Why does the author say some high level players have a 'delusion of grandeur'?

Because they have farmed XP and levels through an easy mission, but don't understand core gameplay mechanics needed for objective based missions.

What is the key thing many players don't realize about resources?

That resources like medals, samples, and super credits are shared across the entire team, not per player.

What does the author say is most important for completing objectives?

Team play and communication are the single most important things for completing objective based missions.

Should all players use the meta builds?

No, players should use builds they are comfortable with. Forcing others to use the meta can be toxic behavior.

What are some ideas to encourage team play?

Introducing buffs for sticking together as a team, following orders, and actively pinging objectives.

What does the author say players ultimately want from the game?

The author says players just want to have fun, whether that's playing the meta or casual play.

What is the concern about the community long term?

That toxicity and infighting could wear the community down over time if players don't respect each other.

What types of new content could come to the game?

Potentially new vehicles, weapons, strategems, and enemy factions.

What is the main message to players?

Don't ruin the game for each other - have fun, enjoy it, and remember the fundamentals.

Outlines

00:00

🎥 Summary of Reddit Post Criticizing Hell Divers Streamers

The paragraph summarizes a Reddit post that criticizes Hell Divers streamers for negatively impacting the player base. It states that many high level players who farmed XP don't understand basic gameplay mechanics when playing objective missions. The writer agrees this is an issue stemming from an overinflated ego due to farming levels.

05:02

😡 Toxic Behavior and Suggestions for Improvement

The paragraph discusses the toxic behavior of unjustified kicking of players as well as the debate around meta builds. It states communication and teamwork are most important and suggests implementations to incentivize team play. The goal should be enjoying the game together regardless of playstyle.

Keywords

💡farming

Farming refers to players repeatedly playing a specific mission that gives high rewards but can be easily and quickly completed, in order to efficiently gain XP and resources. The player who wrote the reddit post complains that many high level players have only levelled up through farming, and don't understand basic gameplay mechanics outside of that specific mission.

💡shared resources

The game has a shared resource system, where all squad members get resources like medals, samples and credits equally when they are collected. The player complains that many farmers who group up don't realize these resources are shared, mistakenly accusing teammates of stealing.

💡meta build

A meta build refers to weapon, equipment and strategy loadouts that are considered especially effective by the player community. The poster complains streamers push certain meta builds which leads newer players to wrongly assume those loadouts are universally the best options.

💡team play

Team play and communication between squad members is critical for completing objectives. The original poster argues this is more important than any particular loadout, but also acknowledges some players excel even without much teamwork.

💡toxic behavior

Toxic behavior refers to rude, aggressive and selfish actions that make the game less enjoyable for others. The author wants to prevent veteran players from exhibiting toxicity like wrongly kicking teammates over the misconception they are stealing resources.

💡checks and balances

The author advocates for implementing rules and oversight mechanisms to protect players from unjust kicking or enable them to kick genuinely abusive teammates. The goal is preventing and punishing toxicity from either side.

💡community fracturing

If misconceptions, disagreements over playstyles and toxic behavior continues unchecked, the player base could become divided and dwindle over time. The author warns the great launch community could deteriorate and wants to maintain positivity.

💡having fun

The ultimate purpose of playing is enjoyment, regardless of each player's preferred playstyle or build. The author argues the community should respect all approaches, as long they don't ruin the experience for others.

💡future content

The game has major potential for long term success with additions like new enemy types, weapons, strategems and gameplay modes. But realizing this potential requires keeping the community united, engaged and growing.

💡don't ruin it

This key message urges players to put aside misconceptions and sources of conflict so that toxicity does not ultimately undermine the future of this promising game and its community.

Highlights

Many high level players are farming defend missions and don't understand basic gameplay elements

These players have an inflated ego and lack of understanding due to farming defend missions

Many players don't realize resources like medals and samples are shared across the team

There should be protections against unjust kicking of players from squads

Team play and communication are the most important elements, more than builds and metas

Players shouldn't push others towards or away from using the meta

The meta causes some players to play recklessly thinking they are invincible

The game could introduce systems to encourage team play

People just want to have fun however they prefer - meta or casual

Don't spread toxicity or ruin the game for others

The community was great early on despite issues

With new content this game could grow immensely

As a community we need to avoid fracturing things

Hell Divers 2 is an awesome game with major issues now fixed

Have fun, enjoy the game, don't ruin it for each other

Transcripts

hey there friends what's going on it's

Kodiak here back for another unscripted

video about hell divers 2 I saw this

post on Reddit the other day and I

thought it'd be a good topic for us to

dive into because it's something that

I've noticed over the last couple of

days playing quick plays and jumping

into random squads so check this out

this was by complain on the internet and

the title is I've never seen streamers

do so much damage to a player base and

it's a rant and he basically goes on to

say the amount of level 30 plus defend

Mission Farmers that don't understand

basic gameplay elements such as shared

resources enemy types and how to defeat

them or how to perform objective tasks

is staggering it's honestly hard to wrap

my brain around some of the things I'm

witnessing on higher

difficulties I think that's exactly what

I've been experiencing and again I'm I'm

a pretty decent player I've cleared

sevens I've cleared eights I've tried to

do a nine uh haven't gotten through that

yet so I'm on the I guess you could say

the upper end of the skills does that

mean I'm the best hell diver in the

world of course not no obviously not but

let's break down what he's saying a lot

of people right now if you know this

great if you don't here's some Intel a

lot of people right now are farming one

type of mission it's one of the defend

missions on the automaton front that

will easily let you cheese it and

complete the mission in like 2 3 minutes

all you need to do is drop a ton of

mortars on like the central platform and

it will kill the I think it's 160 170

enemies required in about 2 3 minutes

you can extract and then you get a ton

of XP and requisition it's great if

that's what you want to do you want to

do that mission 30 40 50 times and level

up to you know the current cap of 50

that's great but that doesn't mean

you're an expert at Hell divers and I

think that's the essence of the problem

at the core of the issue because if you

leave that and you're level 35 and you

think that you're really good at Hell

divers 2o that is kind of a delusion of

grandeur right the entire game hell

divers 2 is built around objective based

missions so when people finally get into

those missions they don't know what

they're doing their ego is inflated by

their level thanks to that farm so

they're missing basic principles and the

one that is truly staggering is that

they don't understand there is a wide

swath of people that don't understand

that resources are shared medals samples

super credits those are shared Guys

across your entire team so if you didn't

know that now you do that's great if you

did know that we need to keep saying

that nice and Loud because one of the

major issues is that leaders of groups

are kicking players because they assume

they think that these folks are stealing

medals super credits and samples which

is absolutely not the case and that's

the type of toxic Behavior we do not

need in the hell divers 2 community in

my opinion there needs to be some sort

of voting system protection for all

types of players that you know are on

the receiving end of an unjustly you

know kick that shouldn't be happening

the same could be said on the kicking

side maybe you're in a squad with two or

three abusive players there needs to be

some checks and balances for both sides

both parties in that now the second part

of that argument is talking about folks

like myself I'm not going to deny that

we're not a channel that talks about

metas and things like that but the the

post that the original rant talks about

how folks are just going with the meta

build and it's ruining team play and I

agree and disagree with that to an

extent team play and communication are

the single most important thing about

this game any sort of objective based

hell divers 2 mission requires those two

things team play communication are your

weapons and strategems important yes are

they the most important thing not really

the current meta which is really good

right now like Rail Gun Supply pack or

energy backpack like those are all

really good but they're not foolproof

and just because it's good doesn't mean

everybody needs to use it so this is one

of those weird balancing things if

you're using the meta and you like The

Meta great good for you if you're not

using the meta and you don't want to use

the meta that's also fine and players

shouldn't be pushing each other one way

or the other to use those things you

can't chastise somebody for using the

meta if they like using the meta and

vice versa you can't chastise the player

that's not using the meta because you

think they should be using the meta that

is the kind of sticky acidic toxic thing

that can deteriorate a community over

time we don't need that so at the end of

the day it's really about team play it's

about communication using your builds to

the best of their advantage one of the

things that the meta is a cause of is

players going off thinking they're

Invincible oh I'm running the meta build

I can destroy everything I can do

everything by myself there are some

players that can do that but there are a

vast majority of players that cannot do

that so you have to stick together and I

actually talked about this in another

video but basically what I was getting

at was if the game introduced some sort

of system to enhance the team play

elements you know buffing the team if

you stick together buffing the team if

you are actively pinging on the map and

following orders that would further

reinforce those team you know team

motivations the things that would get

you to stay with your teammates stay

with your squadmates and play as a team

meta or not look bottom line everyone

just wants to have fun playing this game

fun for you might be playing The Meta

and completing hell Dives at level 9 fun

for you might also mean logging in with

two buddies random filling those other

two slots and you know puts in around on

a four or five the game doesn't take

itself seriously so we don't have to

take the game seriously either and if

you choose to take it seriously that's

fine as long as you understand the

fundamentals and you're not spreading

that toxicity to the rest of the

community let's not lose sight of the

potential this game has how solid this

community was during the first two weeks

even through all those issues and how

great it could be long term if we think

about what could come to Hell divers 2

next Vehicles new weapons new strategems

new enemy factions we can enjoy all

those things together and have a great

time with it or we could start chipping

away at the edges wear each other down

and eventually we have a fractured

Community or a smaller Community we

don't need any of that hell divers 2 is

an awesome game I'm super excited that a

lot of the major issues have been fixed

server caps are well over 700k right now

this game could grow immensely could

continue to be an amazing game with new

content we just need to remember as a

community as a gamer myself not talking

to you as a content creator just talking

about somebody who logs into hell divers

2 every night and plays this game don't

ruin it for each other it's the bottom

line have fun enjoy the game as always

my name is Kodiak and from everyone here

at Legacy gaming thanks for watching

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