The Pros and Cons of Working in Financial Risk Management
Summary
TLDRThis video explores the role of a Financial Risk Manager, a career often overlooked in finance. Highlighting its intellectual and financial rewards, work-life balance, and lower stress levels compared to trading, the speaker shares insights from personal experience at JP Morgan and a hedge fund. They discuss the pros and cons, including job security, career progression, and the potential for less exciting tasks like regulatory work.
Takeaways
- π¦ The role of a Financial Risk Manager is often overlooked but can be intellectually and financially rewarding with a good work-life balance.
- π Work hours in risk management are generally reasonable, with no late nights or weekend work, though crisis periods may require longer hours.
- π Risk management is less stressful compared to trading roles, as risk managers are not directly responsible for the profit and loss of trades.
- π Job security is relatively high for risk managers, as their role is crucial in managing and mitigating risks, especially in unpredictable market conditions.
- πΌ Career progression in risk management can lead to senior roles such as managing director or chief risk officer, or transitioning to trading roles with enhanced market knowledge.
- π οΈ The skills required for risk management are often acquired on the job, with a bachelor's degree in finance, economics, or a quantitative field being a good starting point.
- π Risk managers use various tools and metrics like Value at Risk (VaR), stress tests, and the Greeks to analyze and monitor market risks.
- π The job involves interesting research and analysis, providing a top-down view of market activities and risks, which traders may not see.
- π Some downsides include less exciting aspects like regulatory work, dealing with tech issues, and potential disagreements between traders and the risk team.
- π° Compensation in risk management may not be as high as in revenue-generating roles like trading, but offers a better work-life balance and less stress.
- π The role often requires living in major financial hubs with a high cost of living, which may not suit everyone's lifestyle preferences.
Q & A
What is the primary role of a Financial Risk Manager?
-A Financial Risk Manager's primary role is to analyze and manage the risks associated with financial markets and trading activities, ensuring that the risks taken by traders are within acceptable limits and do not jeopardize the financial health of the institution.
Why might the work-life balance in a risk management role be better compared to other finance roles?
-The work-life balance in a risk management role might be better because, unlike traders who may work late or on weekends due to market fluctuations, risk managers typically have more predictable hours and are not directly responsible for generating revenue through trades.
What are some of the less stressful aspects of working in risk management according to the script?
-Risk management is less stressful because managers do not have to worry about overnight market movements impacting their portfolios or job security as much as traders do. Their job is not on the line with every market fluctuation, allowing them to have more peace of mind outside of work.
How does job security differ between risk managers and traders?
-Job security for risk managers tends to be better than for traders. Traders' jobs are largely dependent on their ability to generate profits, which is highly unpredictable. Risk managers, on the other hand, have roles that are essential for the stability of the institution and are less likely to be affected by market volatility.
What are some common career progression paths for a risk manager?
-Common career progression paths for a risk manager include rising through the ranks to become a managing director at a bank or a senior risk manager at a hedge fund, transitioning to a trading role, or moving into other parts of finance such as investment banking or asset management.
What kind of educational background is typically required for a role in risk management?
-A bachelor's degree in Finance, Economics, or a quantitative field like Math or Statistics is typically required for a role in risk management. However, for more specialized roles, such as financial risk modeling or covering exotic derivative products, a quantitative graduate degree may be beneficial or required.
What are some of the key risk analysis tools and measures mentioned in the script?
-Key risk analysis tools and measures mentioned include Value at Risk (VaR), stress tests, and the Greeks (Delta, Gamma, Vega, etc.). VaR measures tail risk, stress tests evaluate potential losses under specific market conditions, and the Greeks quantify an investment's sensitivity to various risk factors.
How does the role of a risk manager at a hedge fund differ from that at a bulge bracket bank?
-At a hedge fund, a risk manager might engage in less regulatory work and more market-related research and analysis. They may also have the opportunity to develop tools directly useful to their team, which can make the role more interesting and rewarding compared to a similar role at a bulge bracket bank.
What are some of the downsides of a career in risk management mentioned in the script?
-Some downsides include less exciting parts of the job such as regulatory work and dealing with tech issues, potentially lower compensation compared to revenue-generating roles, being limited to living in high-cost metropolitan areas due to the nature of financial hubs, and the perpetual tension between traders and the risk team.
How does the compensation structure differ between a bank and a hedge fund for risk managers?
-In a bank, risk managers may receive a lower percentage of their base salary as a bonus compared to traders. At a hedge fund, compensation is more closely linked to personal performance and the fund's performance, which can result in larger bonuses but may also mean less guaranteed salary upfront.
What is the potential tension between traders and the risk team, and how can it affect the work environment?
-The tension arises because traders are incentivized to maximize revenue, which may involve taking on more risk, while the risk team focuses on minimizing potential risks to the business. This can lead to disagreements, especially if a trade is deemed too risky by the risk team. However, a healthy balance is necessary to ensure both revenue generation and risk management.
Outlines
πΌ Introduction to Financial Risk Management
The script introduces the diverse range of careers in finance beyond traditional roles like investment banking and hedge funds. It highlights the role of a Financial Risk Manager, which is often overlooked but offers intellectual and financial rewards with a balanced work-life approach. The speaker, having worked in this role for three years, including experience at a hedge fund, aims to provide insights into the role's pros and cons, focusing on work-life balance, job security, and career progression opportunities. The summary also mentions the importance of understanding the specific risk management functions and institutions one might work for.
π Skills and Responsibilities in Risk Management
This paragraph delves into the skills required for risk management, emphasizing that most are acquired on the job. It suggests a bachelor's degree in finance, economics, or a quantitative field as the educational baseline, with specialized knowledge being advantageous but not always mandatory. The speaker outlines the core responsibilities, which include analyzing trading risks using various measures like Value at Risk (VaR), stress tests, and the Greeks. The paragraph also touches on the interesting aspects of the job, such as market research and analysis, and acknowledges that the role can vary significantly depending on the specific function within the risk department.
π The Pros and Cons of a Risk Management Career
The speaker discusses the less glamorous aspects of risk management, including regulatory work and technical issues that can arise. They also address the compensation structure, noting that while risk management roles may not offer the high bonuses of trading or sales, they provide better work-life balance and less stress. The script mentions the limited geographical options for such roles, typically in high-cost metropolitan areas, and the potential for tension between traders and risk managers due to differing objectives. The speaker shares personal anecdotes about their experience, including the culture of collaboration they appreciated in their department.
π€ Conclusion and Personal Reflections on Risk Management
In conclusion, the script acknowledges the mixed bag of pros and cons associated with a career in financial risk management. It suggests that the role is suitable for those interested in financial markets and quantitative analysis, while also valuing a balanced lifestyle and lower stress levels. The speaker reflects on their own positive experience in the field, the knowledge gained, and the potential long-term benefits for their career. They invite further questions from the audience and express their readiness to address them in future content.
Mindmap
Keywords
π‘Investment Banking
π‘Private Equity
π‘Hedge Funds
π‘Financial Risk Manager
π‘Work-Life Balance
π‘Value at Risk (VaR)
π‘Stress Tests
π‘The Greeks
π‘Job Security
π‘Career Exit Opportunities
π‘Regulatory Work
π‘Compensation
π‘Market Risk
π‘Educational Barrier to Entry
π‘Monte Carlo Simulation
π‘Tension Between Traders and Risk Managers
Highlights
Finance offers diverse career paths beyond traditional roles like Investment Banking, private Equity, and hedge funds.
The role of Financial Risk Manager is often overlooked but can be intellectually and financially rewarding.
Financial Risk Managers balance work and personal life, with a typical workweek of around 50 hours.
Risk Management roles at bulge bracket banks like JP Morgan and hedge funds offer different experiences.
Work-life balance in Risk Management is a significant positive, with no late nights or weekend work typically required.
Risk Management is less stressful compared to trading roles, offering more job security.
Risk Managers have good job security as their role is crucial in managing market unpredictability.
Career progression in Risk Management can lead to senior roles like managing director or chief risk officer.
Risk Managers can transition to trading roles, leveraging their market knowledge and risk analysis skills.
Risk Management roles require a broad skill set, including both qualitative and quantitative skills.
Educational barrier to entry in Risk Management is not very high, with a bachelor's degree in finance or a related field being sufficient.
Risk Management involves analyzing trading risks using tools like VAR, stress tests, and the Greeks.
The work in Risk Management can be interesting, involving market research and analysis.
Some Risk Management roles can involve less exciting tasks like regulatory work and dealing with tech issues.
Compensation in Risk Management may not be as high as in revenue-generating roles like trading or sales.
Risk Managers are often limited to living in high-cost metropolitan areas due to the nature of financial hubs.
There can be tension between traders and risk teams, as their incentives and focuses differ.
Risk Management is a good career choice for those interested in financial markets and quantitative concepts, seeking a balanced lifestyle.
Transcripts
when you think of careers in finance the
first things that probably come to mind
are Investment Banking private Equity
hedge funds those sorts of things but in
truth Finance is such a large field and
there's so many different avenues that
you can take depending on your skills
and your interests so in today's video
I'll be going through what I personally
think is a role that sort of goes under
the radar when people talk about Finance
careers but one that can still be
intellectually and financially rewarding
and offers a great balance between work
and your personal life the role I'm
talking about is the Financial Risk
manager and is the role that I've been
lucky enough to get straight out of
college and I've been working in for the
past 3 years now I did make a video on
what a risk analyst does in the past
which I highly suggest you check out
after this video but since making that
video I've worked almost a year at a
hedge fund so I'll be able to give you
guys insights on what the role is like
both at a bulge bracket Bank like JP
Morgan and also at a hedge fund and in
this video I'll also be breaking down in
a more clear-cut fashion exactly what
the pros and cons are of this rule so
that you can better determine if this
role will be something you'll be
interested in or if it's a good fit for
you and to clarify today I'll be talking
about risk management as it pertains to
the financial markets and managing the
risks of Traders whether it's at a bank
or at a hedge fund starting off with the
pros the work life balance you get
working in risk management is probably
one of the biggest positives when I
first started working at JP Morgan right
out of college I used to get to the
office at 7:00 a.m. because I had to get
on a call with the Traders and take
notes for rmd I would also leave the
office around 6:00 p.m. because I had to
send an endof day email that summarized
our risk and p&l and that data was only
available after a certain time however
this was when I first started out as an
analyst and I wanted to contribute as
much as possible but as time progressed
I started to split these
responsibilities with my teammates and
then my days started looking more like 8
to6 or 8 to 5 so more so around that 50h
hour mark but really no more than that I
never had work late at night or on
weekends but I will offer a caveat to
this by saying that I did Cover
municipes which is a much smaller Market
compared to say the equity Market or the
bond market so for example when Russia
first invaded Ukraine back in February
of 2022 a lot of my colleagues working
in those departments had to put in some
long hours some late nights to finish
some deliverables for Senior Management
while I basically saw no change to my
schedule but essentially depending on
the market you cover during crisis
periods your hours might be longer given
you are the risk team after all on the
headphon side my hours are pretty
similar I'm also putting in about 50
hour weeks and was never required to
work at nights or on weekends but again
that can potentially change during
periods of extreme volatility in the
markets the second Pro is that risk
management is not really a stressful job
relatively and I say relatively because
most finance jobs can be quite stressful
especially when billions of dollars are
on the line you're working long hours or
there are slew of deadlines to hit but
compared to say traders who are actually
making the trades and taking on that P&O
risk and subsequently putting their jobs
on the line risk management is a lot
less stressful instead of going home at
night worried about what might happen in
the markets overnight or the very next
day that might negatively impact your
portfolio and potentially cost you your
job I can go home and sleep soundly
knowing that my job won't necessarily be
on the line if the market moves
adversely this brings me to the next
positive which is that Risk Managers
tend to have good job security if you're
actually conducting ing trades your job
is largely dependent on surprise
surprise your ability to make money
after all this is the finance industry
but given how markets are extremely
unpredictable if you're not properly
managing a risk one mistake could cause
you to fall below your Pano limits and
the next thing you know you'll be
dusting off your resume now this is a
problem I mostly observed with hedge
funds since strict banking regulations
usually Force Traders at Big Banks to
hedge out their directional Market risk
which means they won't be as severely
impacted whether the market goes up or
down har don't F around cover that risk
now but the point still stands that risk
management is not a job where either you
perform and make money or get replaced
obviously there are other ways to judge
the value and performance of a risk
analyst but making trades is not one of
them not to mention risk management
rules do tend to stay pretty resilient
in all stages of the economic cycle
during boom periods when the economy is
doing well Banks might want to hire more
traders to increase their revenue but as
soon as the economy turns sour and
companies need to start cutting expenses
fast these roles that were added during
the expansionary period would likely be
the first to go whereas risk management
functions tend to be the last to go if a
bank is looking to downsize their
headcount the fourth positive is that
risk management can offer some pretty
good career exit opportunities if you're
looking to change things up there are a
few common trajectories the first being
naturally Rising through the ranks and
becoming a managing director at a bank
or a senior risk manager at a hedge fund
and if you really stick with it for the
long run you can become the chief risk
officer of an organization the second
most common that I've seen is
transitioning to a trading rule as a
risk manager you will learn a lot about
the market or markets that you're
covering such as what drives that market
what products are traded in that market
what are the risk metrics associated
with it and much more and because you
develop this knowledge base surrounding
a particular Market you become a natural
choice for trading desks if they're
looking to expand their team especially
when the job market is tight and talent
is harder to come by these two paths are
generally the most common I've seen but
I've also seen risk analysts transition
to other parts of Finance such as
Investment Banking asset management or
even going back to school to get their
MBA or master's degree at a top business
school the bottom line is that risk
management is a career path that teaches
you about many aspects of finance and
markets while developing both
qualitative and quantitative skills
which will prepare you well for a number
of opportunities both in and outside of
Finance speaking of skills I would say
that risk management does not have a
terribly High educational barrier to
entry in fact most of the skills I have
now whether it be coding in python or
using Excel or knowledge about the
financial markets have been accumulated
while I was on the job and prior to
receiving my job I only had two
internships which didn't give me a whole
lot of hands-on experience and I took a
few finance courses as part of my
finance major in college to get a role
in this field I think all you really
need is a bachelor's degree preferably
in a major like Finance or economics or
in something quantitative like math or
statistics I will say though that there
are certain parts of risk management
especially when you start getting into
Financial Risk modeling where you need
some sort of quantitative degree like
Financial engineering or if you want to
cover a certain group like exotic
derivative products for rates or Equity
trading teams a quantitative graduate
degree can definitely help your chances
if not being an outright requirement for
the
job the last positive I want to talk
about is the work itself and generally
speaking it can be pretty interesting at
a bank you have a few main
responsibilities the first is to analyze
your trading Department's risks using a
number of different risk measures and
tools but mainly VAR stress tests and
the Greeks such as Delta gamma Vega Etc
to briefly explain what those two tests
I just mentioned are VAR stands for
value at risk and basically tells you
your tail risk or how much money you
stand to lose given a very rare Market
move for example say you have a $100
million portfolio and your 95% ofar is
2% that stat is essentially saying
according to the model you can expect
your portfolio to lose $2 million about
5% of the time you can change certain
parameters to your preference such as
the confidence level aka the probability
in which you expect a certain loss you
can also choose to use historical data
for your VAR tests or use a Monti Carlo
simulation to determine your VAR for
potential future values of your
portfolio point is there are many
different types of VAR tests and
different firms will elect to use
different tests depending on what they
want to monitor as for stress tests
these are tests that show how much you
stand to lose given a specific ifed move
in a certain Market as a simple example
if you have a stress test of the S&P 500
going down 10% it will show you how your
portfolio is expected to react to the
move given the correlations between
different assets for example if you have
Apple stock in your portfolio that might
move a lot given a 10% move in the S&P
500 but a less correlated asset like
gold will likely not move as much now
this can be very interesting because
this is a side of the business that
Traders don't necessarily get to see
Traders can only see their own positions
but the RIS team are able to see a top-
down view of everything that's going on
from trades being made to p&l to risk in
addition to analyzing risks some of the
more interesting work involves doing
research an example of this was when I
was covering municipes at JP Morgan and
I was tked to do some research on a very
specific type of Municipal Bond one that
my team was not very familiar with and
analyzed the potential risks behind it
in my current role one of my research
focused tests have been to try to come
up with better stress tests to more
accurately model curve shifts in the US
Treasury Market now everything I just
mentioned are some of the more
interesting parts of the job but there
are certainly some less exciting Parts
as well which I will will get to in the
negatives list also given all this I
will offer a caveat and that is it
depends on what risk management function
and what type of institution you work
for risk management is still quite a
broad term and there are functions
within the risk Department that I would
personally consider less interesting
when I was working on the cell side at a
bank I was within a function called
Market risk and as the name suggests you
cover the market risk of a certain asset
class and are in charge with doing more
of the active analysis and monitoring of
the risk but there were other teams that
we worked with that were in charge of
tasks that were less related to the
market such as publishing reports to
send to the FED checking over regulatory
documents and spreadsheets and things of
that nature essentially risk management
can be a broad term at a big bank so
it's important to go into the details to
determine exactly what part of the risk
function it is that you're signing up
for while risk management at a bank did
have its moments I currently prefer my
role working at a hedge fund much more
because I think the work is a lot more
interesting and rewarding I find myself
doing virtually no regulatory work which
is quite a boring part of my previous
job I'm doing a lot more Market related
research and Analysis and I'm also
learning how to code and develop tools
that can be directly useful to my team I
should go into some more detail
regarding the differences between these
two rules in this video so go check that
out after this video if you're curious
about
that okay now that we've gone through
the positives it's time to talk about
some of the parts of this job that I
wasn't too thrilled about as I mentioned
before a big downside was that there
were big parts of the job that were less
exciting for me that was mainly doing
regulatory work and dealing with tech
issues as for the former at a large Bank
the risk department is in charge of
working with The Regulators to make sure
that the bank isn't taking on too much
risk and one thing we had to do
quarterly was something called c car or
comprehensive Capital analysis and
review which was essentially a quot of
the exercise in which the entire risk
Department had to compile a bunch of
data to then send to the FED which they
reviewed in order to basically make sure
that the banks had enough Capital to
sustain losses under a number of
different extreme Market moves
essentially this involved collecting a
bunch of data and compiling it into a
pretty complex template now that may not
sound like it would take that long but
when you have a portfolio consistent of
hundreds of different bonds options
credit derivative products it can be
very timeconsuming to compile all that
information as we're dealing with tech
issues this also was a part of the job
that I wasn't particularly fond of
essentially ever so often when we're
going through our daily processes we
might find some risk numbers that don't
quite look right in which case we'd have
to go in and investigate and try to
figure out the issue now sometimes it
could be as simple as the data not being
sent through on time or something like
that but other times there would be an
issue with the underlying risk model
that is calculating the risk statistic
in these cases we' have to reach out to
risk Quant teams to fix the model then
run the data and see if that fixes the
issue and this consisted of a lot of
back and forth comparisons with
spreadsheets slicing the data in a bunch
of different ways which all around
wasn't very interesting but it had to be
done second biggest drawback is the pay
and it really only is a downside
depending on how you look at it now
obviously since the risk Department
isn't a revenue generating part of the
business as in directly bringing in
clients or making trades the
compensation isn't going to be as high
as a role like trading or sales now on
the flip side your hours will be better
and you won't be as stressed so there is
that trade-off to keep in mind for a
bank the main difference in compensation
lies in the bonus in the year and a half
that I worked at a bank the salaries
across the trading FL were pretty much
equal from the salespeople to the
traders to the risk team while Traders
could potentially earn somewhere from 50
to 100% of their base salary in bonus
the numbers I saw for the risk team were
more around 25 to 50% now these numbers
will tend to fluctuate a lot depending
on personal performance and the economic
environment I have heard of some where
trading desks paid out much lower
bonuses than the percentages I mentioned
but in those cases the risk team will
probably be even lower at a hedge fund
compensation is treated a bit
differently and is much more closely
linked to personal performance and the
performance of the fund so while
salaries may not be as big as the banks
bonuses are typically larger ultimately
while some may view the lower overall
compensation as a negative others might
value the extra free time and the less
stressful lifestyle so it all comes down
to personal preference at least for me I
know one thing which is if I work those
100 hour weeks as a banker I certainly
wouldn't be able to film and edit these
videos this next one is also sort of a
neutral Factor but I chose to put it on
the cons list because I personally saw
it as a con and that is you really are
limited on where you can live if you
decide to go into this field and by
limited I mean you'll most likely be
living in New York City or another major
city now there are Financial hubs in
Chicago San Francisco Miami or if you go
internationally London Hong Kong Etc but
essentially you'll most likely be living
in a High Cost of Living metropolitan
area which isn't the ideal lifestyle for
everyone in my first year of working I
tried my best to not have to live inside
of New York City and instead opted to
live in a small town in Connecticut but
after a whole year of waking up at 5:00
a.m. taking a 1 and 1 half hour train
and then getting back home at 8800 p.m.
I had finally had enough and decided to
move into the city only when I got there
I realized that a $120,000 salary really
doesn't go that far in New York city so
location can definitely be a major
downside especially if you're trying to
save money or don't particularly like
City life because when it comes to jobs
in the finance industry your options can
be quite
limited this last negative which
probably is something that you haven't
thought about is that there does tend to
be a Perpetual tension between the
Traders and the risk team where the
former group are incentivized to
generate as much revenue as possible
without thinking too much of the tail
risks while the risk team only focuses
on what potential risk the trading
business can expose themselves to and
prevent that from getting out of control
this is by Design after all you do need
some healthy tension and discourse in
order to maximize Revenue while also not
taking on risks that could risk
destroying the whole business but the
key word is healthy and it varies team
by team Bank by bank but sometimes there
can be situations where Traders want to
conduct a trade that the risk team deems
to be too risky and that can result in a
disagreement I've even heard stories
from more senior Risk Managers that
fights have almost broken out on the
trading floor because of these very
reasons essentially some desks can have
better relationships between the Traders
and the Risk Managers and some desks can
have worse relationships luckily for me
when I was covering municipals the two
heads of the Department were very good
Traders they paid a lot of attention to
risk and as a result we had a very good
relationship the Traders and our team
would go out to a baseball game once in
a while during the holidays some of the
senior department heads would take us
out to a nice lunch to a steakhouse
somewhere and I was just very
appreciative of this culture of
collaboration rather than antagonism and
this is all something that I've seen
more so working at a bank than at a
hedge fund and again these bad
relationships between these two
functions don't happen terribly often
but it is
possible so in conclusion like any other
job the role of the Financial Risk
manager has both its positives and its
negatives and it really comes down to
what you're looking for out of your
career and your life ultimately I think
risk management is a good choice for
anyone that enjoys and is interested in
working in the financial markets likes
to dive deep into certain markets and
quantitative Concepts but also wants a
good work life balance and a low stress
lifestyle now I'm not saying that I'm in
this role for specifically those reasons
but I certainly am grateful to have
started my career in this field and I've
learned a tremendous amount that I'm
sure I will take with me for the rest of
my career if you guys have any further
questions please do leave them down in
the comments below I'll try to answer
them the best I can or I'll address them
in a future video and as always take
care I'll see you guys in the next
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