We can judge public figures' private lives because we are entitled to opinions, says Noah Robson
Summary
TLDRThe debate centers on the public's right to judge the private lives of public figures once that information becomes public. The speaker argues that while privacy is important, the public should not be denied the right to form opinions on private matters when they impact public roles, using the Profumo affair as an example. They refute the notion that the debate supports press intrusion and emphasize the importance of distinguishing between private and public matters, concluding that individuals should have the freedom to judge based on their values and beliefs.
Takeaways
- π£οΈ The debate is about the right to judge the private lives of public figures when such information becomes public, not about the right to know or the methods used to obtain that information.
- π― The motion asserts that if private information about a public figure is known, individuals have the right to form an opinion and make judgments based on that information.
- π« The debate does not propose that public figures should not have privacy or that we should invade their privacy; it focuses on the principle of judging once information is public.
- π€ The speaker emphasizes that the right to judge is a fundamental human right and an aspect of basic human instinct to form opinions about others.
- π The speaker argues that the public has a role in judging the credibility and integrity of public figures, especially when their private actions could impact public trust and decision-making.
- π The example of the Profumo affair is used to illustrate how the public's judgment of a public figure's private life can have significant political consequences.
- ποΈ The speaker acknowledges the importance of privacy for public figures but argues that this does not negate the public's right to judge once information is known.
- π€ The debate is not about supporting unethical press methods but about the right to form an opinion once information is in the public domain.
- π The speaker challenges the opposition's potential argument that privacy is a human right, suggesting that the infringement of privacy does not negate the right to judge.
- π€ The practical difficulty of distinguishing between private and public matters is highlighted, arguing that it's unrealistic to draw a clear line for what can be judged.
- π The conclusion emphasizes that the right to judge is about having an opinion in one's mind, not necessarily about sharing or acting on that opinion.
Q & A
What is the main topic of the debate?
-The main topic of the debate is whether the public has a right to judge the private lives of public figures.
What are the three key definitions provided in the script?
-The three key definitions provided are: 'private life' as a person's personal relationships, interests, and activities distinct from their public or professional life; 'public figure' as someone who has achieved fame, prominence, or notoriety within a society; and the proposition that the public has a right to judge the private lives of public figures.
What is the speaker's stance on the right to privacy for public figures?
-The speaker acknowledges that public figures have a right to privacy but argues that if information about their private lives becomes public, the public has a right to judge that information.
What example is used to illustrate the importance of judging the private lives of public figures?
-The speaker uses the example of the Profumo affair, where the private life of a senior politician became public knowledge and affected public trust in the government.
What is the speaker's argument against the opposition's potential points?
-The speaker argues that even if the opposition brings up issues like press intrusion, phone hacking, and unethical methods of gathering stories, the debate is about the right to judge, not the methods used to obtain the information.
Who are the three speakers introduced for the opposition side?
-The three speakers introduced for the opposition side are Chris Collins, a fourth-year classic student at Corpus Christie College; Lord Folks, an English Barrister and sitting Peer who is the chairman of IPSO; and Sharon GAA, a social media influencer and former Love Island contestant.
What is the speaker's view on the practicality of distinguishing between private and public matters?
-The speaker believes that it is practically impossible to establish a clear line between private and public matters, making it unrealistic to categorize aspects of one's life into public and private sections.
What is the speaker's final argument for the proposition side?
-The speaker's final argument is that voting for the proposition side does not require supporting unethical methods of the press or believing that celebrities should not be entitled to privacy. It simply requires believing in the right to have an opinion about public figures' private lives when such information is publicized.
What is the speaker's opinion on the relevance of private information to public roles?
-The speaker believes that if private information is relevant to a public figure's role, it can and should affect how the public views them, especially if it damages their credibility.
How does the speaker address the potential moral implications of judging private lives?
-The speaker acknowledges the moral implications but argues that the right to privacy has already been infringed upon by the public disclosure of information, and that does not prevent the public from upholding their right to judge.
Outlines
π£οΈ The Right to Judge Public Figures' Private Lives
The speaker introduces the debate on whether the public has the right to judge the private lives of public figures. They clarify that the debate is not about the right to privacy of public figures, the right to know about their private lives, or the obligation to judge them constantly. Instead, it focuses on the principle of having the right to judge if such information becomes public. The speaker emphasizes the importance of this right, suggesting that it is an argument about the freedom to hold opinions. They also introduce the esteemed speakers for the opposition, setting the stage for a nuanced discussion on the balance between public scrutiny and personal privacy.
ποΈ Privacy vs. Public Judgment: The Debate Unfolds
This paragraph delves into the necessity of judging the private lives of public figures when such information is relevant to their public role. The speaker uses the example of the Profumo affair to illustrate how the public's judgment can impact trust in political figures. They argue that refusing to judge based on private information that affects public trust is misguided. The speaker also addresses potential opposition arguments, such as the invasion of privacy and the unethical methods used by the press to obtain information. They emphasize that the debate is about the right to form an opinion once information is public, not about endorsing intrusive press practices. The speaker concludes by discussing the impracticality of drawing a clear line between private and public matters, suggesting that it is unrealistic to expect people not to judge others based on their private lives once they become public knowledge.
π£ Concluding Remarks on the Right to Form Opinions
In the concluding paragraph, the speaker summarizes the argument for the proposition, emphasizing that the right to judge the private lives of public figures does not necessitate support for the press's invasive methods or the belief that celebrities should forfeit their privacy. The speaker asserts that the crux of the debate is the individual's right to form an opinion on public figures' private lives once that information is made public. They argue that voting for the proposition does not imply a disregard for privacy but an acknowledgment of the individual's autonomy in forming personal judgments based on available information.
Mindmap
Keywords
π‘Privacy
π‘Public Figures
π‘Debate
π‘Opposition
π‘Judge
π‘Ethical
π‘Reputation
π‘Credibility
π‘Opinion
π‘Human Right
π‘Principle
Highlights
The debate is about the right to judge the private lives of public figures, not about the ethics of how information is obtained.
Public figures have a right to privacy, but this does not negate the public's right to form judgments based on information that becomes public.
The motion is not advocating for the invasion of privacy but for the right to have an opinion when private information is revealed.
The importance of judging private lives is exemplified by historical events like the Profumo affair, which impacted public trust and government credibility.
Judging private lives can be crucial when it affects the public role or decisions of public figures.
The debate acknowledges the need for public figures to maintain some level of privacy despite their public life.
The opposition may argue against press intrusion and unethical methods of obtaining information, but this is not the focus of the debate.
Being against unethical methods of obtaining information does not mean one cannot judge the information once it is public.
The debate is about the individual's right to form an opinion, not about sharing or acting on that opinion.
The motion implies that privacy has already been infringed upon, suggesting that this should not prevent the exercise of the right to judge.
The practical difficulty of drawing a clear line between what is private and public in the lives of public figures.
The impossibility of categorizing every aspect of a public figure's life into public and private sections for judgment purposes.
Voting for the proposition does not require support for unethical press methods or a belief in the public's right to know about all aspects of a public figure's private life.
The crux of the debate is the individual's right to have an opinion on publicized private details of public figures.
The debate challenges the notion that privacy can be a blanket right that prevents judgment of public figures when their private lives become known.
The importance of recognizing the human right to have an opinion, even if it is formed in response to private information about public figures.
Transcripts
but regardless of whether you think the
information about celebrities private
lives ought to be revealed it does not
prevent you and should not prevent you
from being prepared and insisting on the
right to judge such information should
you come to learn of
it and with that I open the debate uh
this house believes we have a right to
judge the private lives of public
figures thank you madam president for
giving me the honor of speaking in this
debate and thank you as well to you and
the rest of the officers for what has
been a brilliant
term tonight's motion perhaps more than
most others debated in this chamber
requires an extremely careful analysis
of the question itself before delving
into any specific arguments in fact it
may be easier if I first of all make
clear what it is we are not
debating we are not debating whether
this house believes public figures don't
have a right to privacy few would be
foolish enough to propose such a motion
we are not debating whether we have a
right to know about the private lives of
public figures and we're also not
debating whether we have a right to
judge the private lives of all public
figures all the time no tonight we are
specifically considering the question of
whether we have a right to judge the
private lives of public figures as a
matter of principle in and of itself the
proposition is not suggesting that we
all ought to go around with it being our
mission to uncover as many Secrets as
possible about every single person who
could conceivably be a public figure
instead we're simply arguing that if
information about the private lives of
public figures does make its way into
the public domain which is what has been
implied by the question then regardless
of your opinions on the way which you
might have done so you as an
individual have a right to make a
judgment on the information that you're
presented with it is fundamentally an
argument about your right to have an
opinion but before I delve into the
reasons why all of you sitting here
tonight should be allowed to have an
opinion it falls upon me to introduce
the esteemed speakers on the opposition
this evening opening the case for the
other side will be Chris Collins a
fourth year classic student at Corpus
Christie college and our esteemed
secretary here at the Oxford Union Chris
has worked exceptionally hard this time
to put on some fantastic socials
including the brilliant Casino Royal
ball which I'm sure you'd all agree have
been very enjoyable now I'm sure he'll
give an excellent speech for side
opposition tonight no doubt focusing on
aspects such as elusive secret tactics
attempts to disparage the reputation of
others and even potential hacking and
then when he gets part of his election
campaign strategy I can't wait to hear
what he has to say about privacy
speaking second is the right honorable
Lord folks KC an English Barrister and
sitting Peer who is currently the
chairman of ipso the independent press
standards organization Lord folks was
educated at Jesus College where he
remains an honorary fellow so it's a
pleasure to welcome him back to Oxford
tonight although he now sits as a
crossbencher in the House of Lords he
was previously a conservative peer and
indeed a member of the government within
the justice department until he resigned
from his position in 2016 out of protest
when a certain Liz truss was appointed
as the new secretary of state for
justice given the career path that has
since followed for her he clearly has an
excellent judge of character which I do
find somewhat ironic considering that's
exactly what he's telling our members
not to Aspire to
tonight finally we have Sharon GAA a
social media influencer and former love
violent contestant in 2021 beyond that
Sharon is also an ambassador for the
domestic abuse charity Refuge as as she
set up her own organization girls know
politics to encourage young women to
participate in politics and as even an
ex civil servant having worked across
multiple government departments
including the Department of Health in
the height of the co pandemic Sharon is
therefore very well placed to speak in
this debate having seen firsthand what
it's like when private relationships not
only become public knowledge but are
televised for the world to see before
being followed by a dramatic recoupling
but I'll let her talk more about what it
was like having to work with Matt
hanock regardless these are your
speakers Madam president and they are
most
[Applause]
welcome so a couple of definitions
firstly private life
the Orford dictionary defines private
life to be a person's personal
relationships interests and activities
as distinct from their public or
professional life a public figure
meanwhile is somebody who has achieved
Fame prominence or notoriety within a
society it's not as some people's social
media presence might have you believe
merely a case of putting the label in
your Instagram bio with those
definitions in mind I want to begin with
my first of three arguments put simply
it is that what the motion is actually
saying is that if we happen to become
aware of say a senior politician's
extramarital affair with a 19-year-old
woman in the mid1 1960s we're entitled
to have an opinion on this and to make a
judgment on it helpfully enough such an
example does indeed exist with the
perfumo affair giving us one of the most
famous examples of the private life of a
public figure becoming widely shared
knowledge in that incident which
critically reduced The credibility and
integrity not only of John prumo but
also the wider government at the time
the public rightfully made a judgment
that they could not trust such a group
of people to be in charge of the country
and therefore less than two years later
they voted them out it's this sort of
example which shows how vital it is that
we do indeed judge private lives when
such information is relevant to the
public facing role that someone has it
can and should have a genuine effect on
the way we view those in the public eye
especially those who are involved in
decisions which will directly affect us
in fact I assert that anybody who would
refuse to make a judgment on someone's
character off the basis of such
information which damages their
credibility ought to be considered a
concern themselves with their insistance
on following some moral code regarding
privacy blinding them to potentially
critical information about other
people secondly and as I alluded to at
the beginning of my speech it's
absolutely vital this house realizes
what precisely is being asked for them
of course it would be ludicrous to
suggest that celebrities especially
those who Rose to fame without any
initial ambition of doing so should
suddenly be expected to withdraw their
right to privacy once they reach a
certain level of stardom far from it in
fact if anything given so much of the
rest of their life is spent in full
public view they more than anyone need
to spend part of their time out of the
Limelight I expect too that the
opposition will attempt to appeal to
your sympathies asking how you would
feel if your private lives were known to
the masses and I won't argue with them
on that point I fully recognize that
there are parts of mine and I'm sure
many other people's lives they would
much rather remain private but
regardless of whether you think the
information about celebrities private
lives ought to be revealed it does not
prevent you and should not prevent you
from being prepared and insisting on the
right to judge such information should
you come to learn of it arguments about
press intrusion phone hacking and many
other inappropriate methods of gathering
stories will no doubt be pointed to as
evidence that public figures should not
be subject to such measures but this is
not what the debate is about yes of
course everyone should rightly expect
that their private lives are not
regularly intruded on but it's frankly
absurd to suggest that people should
expect others not to judge them for what
they do or do not
do go on your accep your side encourage
all the work of the daily male and the
son encourage the intrusions and the
phone hackings and the obsession and the
pop and follows around children and
people and rles through their trashes so
my point is you can be totally against
all the horrible press methods that the
likes of the daily male might use to get
such stories and use the paparazzi and
all this but the debate is about the
right to judge it and to suggest you
can't judge something what you could you
can be totally against the fact that
these these Outlets use such awful
methods but you I find it very very
difficult to suggest you can be against
something and your own opinion on these
stories once they've come to
light because it's not only basic human
instinct to have an opinion it's a human
right and to those who might suggest
that privacy is also a human right I
make the point that the worning of the
motion implies that the right to privacy
has already been infringed upon that
should then prevent us from upholding
another right though as the famous
saying goes two wrongs don't make a
right finally I want to end with a
practical point and that is how if you
do vote for side opposition tonight it's
virtually impossible to actually
establish where the line is between
private and public matters some of you
will remember that I did of course offer
you a definition earlier on and I'll
remind you of it once more private life
is a person's personal relationships
interests and activities as distinct
from their public or professional life
but let's just consider that last aspect
for a moment as distinct from their
public or professional life how exactly
are we supposed to draw that line some
things may seem obviously private at
first glance the medical records of a
person say but even that could
conceivably be argued to be important
information if it refers to for example
a politician because it may affect how
you choose to vote just look at the
situation with the two main candidates
in the US presidential race at the
moment the point is even if in theory it
sounds like a moral idea deal to be a
perfect person and not to judge people's
private lives it's actual implementation
it's simply impossible to put into
practice there is no neat way of
categorizing every aspect of one's life
into public and private sections so
attempting to set out which specific
parts we are and are not allowed to make
judgments on it's just
unrealistic and so to sum up to vote
proposition tonight you do not have to
believe that celebrities should not be
entitled to privacy you do not have to
support the at times unethical immoral
and shameful methods that the Press uses
to get such stories about people's
private lives you don't even have to
believe that we should ever know about a
public figure's private life all you
have to believe is that should it come
about that details of someone's private
life are publicized to the general
public then you as an individual with
your own thoughts your own values and
your own beliefs are entitled to make a
judgment on them and their actions to
put it simply you just need to believe
that you're allowed to have an opinion
not one that you share with others or
even act on as a result just one that
you form in your own mind by yourself in
private thank you very
much
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